Mark E Smith - tributes and obituaries (working on first post index)

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Jan 29 2018, 01:00 PM #426

dannyno wrote: This is a curious piece:

Nick Reynolds, "Mark E Smith: not a “national treasure”
https://nickreynoldsatwork.wordpress.co ... -treasure/

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Yeah don’t really understand even why the piece is titled that. Does he blame him for the direction of post punk music?
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Jan 29 2018, 01:58 PM #427

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Still processing the unwelcome news. R.I P. Mark E. Smith, a bona fide genius of rock & roll. A master of lyrical opacity tuned in to frequencies that others didn’t hear. An original, a maverick, a man who stayed true, not only to himself but his prole art muse. Partly because he was made that way, partly to piss off the slags and slates of Medialand GB. Despite the confrontational attitude, a fair and generous heart – be straight with him and he’d be straight with you. Belie yourself with guile or cliché, and his psychic antennae would quickly find you out. Not a man to trifle with, always preferred the red pills to the blue. Having said this, he did have a wicked sense of humour. Of course, he could be mean and curmudgeonly, even vicious when the mood took him – as he said last year in an interview, he could “clear a pub” when he wanted to. Proud of it as well, showed he hadn’t lost his edge, Mark the Manc and all that. First time I saw The Fall play live was at Manchester Poly in 1978. The last was in Aberdeen 2005, when I opened for them at The Lemon Tree. In between the first and last, my band Khmer Rouge supported them on several UK tour dates; my ex wife Marcia joined them on keyboards when Khmer Rouge split in 1986; Claus Castenskiold, ex drummer of Khmer Rouge, painted several of their album covers; Mark released my first solo single in 1989 on his label Cog Sinister (he fucked up the mix on the A side, but if he hadn’t given me a break and a bit of hope, I doubt I’d ever have escaped the Camden Town shooting gallery). So yeah, a long and sometimes “difficult” relationship – I guess the 60 + former band members have ambivalent feelings too. But at the end of the day his vision prevailed, influencing everyone from Sonic Youth to Pavement to Sleaford Mods. Not to mention tipping the wink to Post-rock, lo-fi, Industrial and Noise. Fiery Jack came up from Hell, and he never did go back to the slow life. Cheers, Mark, and thanks for everything.

Phil Shoenfelt, Prague
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Jan 29 2018, 03:11 PM #428

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Jan 29 2018, 05:31 PM #429

Here is a tribute from Orpheo McCord:
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Jan 29 2018, 06:15 PM #430

Found this: Peter Hook on Mark E Smith.  Seems to be a simultaneous translation over the top, so you can't hear Hook very clearly, but fortunately the text is underneath and I've translated it using translate.google.com and then edited it a bit myself according to common sense and what I could pick out behind the translation.

http://www.euronews.com/2018/01/25/mave ... rk-e-smith

Go to about 0.28
Mark was a strange man. He was our competition very early on when we began, because the groups were always in competition.  Even if his behaviour was sometimes not, shall we say, the best, he always had the group foremost in his mind, in the same way as Ian Curtis, it was always all about The Fall. I think that many people will attest that he was a difficult character.  But most geniuses usually are very difficult for one reason or another, and he was a true punk genius.  There is nobody to take Mark E Smith's place, nobody.   It usually ended up well . He was an absolute unique character, and music will miss him and The Fall
Now, that edit misses out a line, because if you [url=http://pt.euronews.com/2018/01/25/peter ... rk-e-smith]look at the Portuguese version[/url] although it has a simultaneous translation over the top that makes it hard to hear what Hook is saying, after "always in competition", Hook says something like this:
I've known Mark for years and I've had many run ins with him.  Usually they ended well. 
But as I say, it's hard to hear.
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Jan 29 2018, 06:17 PM #431

hfirr wrote: Here is a tribute from Orpheo McCord:
There was this as well:



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Jan 29 2018, 06:23 PM #432

Tim Presley, public post on White Fence Facebook page:
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RIP to my pal, MES. so many fond memories with him. if ya scroll down this article Cate Le Bon shares a brief MES anecdote from when she was playing guitar on a White Fence tour & met him. 
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/ ... rk-e-smith
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Jan 29 2018, 06:57 PM #433

hfirr wrote: Here is a tribute from Orpheo McCord:
So--she signs "Elena," not "Eleni" or "Elini." I never knew that, if I ever see her I'll call her "Elena."
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Jan 29 2018, 07:57 PM #434

bzfgt wrote:
hfirr wrote: Here is a tribute from Orpheo McCord:
So--she signs "Elena," not "Eleni" or "Elini." I never knew that, if I ever see her I'll call her "Elena."
Well, maybe it's context dependent. When she did that thing in Berlin a little while ago, the poster said "Eleni". I'm assuming that was done by someone who knew, obviously.

viewtopic.php?p=40095060#p40095060

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Jan 29 2018, 08:02 PM #435

dannyno wrote:
bzfgt wrote:
hfirr wrote: Here is a tribute from Orpheo McCord:
So--she signs "Elena," not "Eleni" or "Elini." I never knew that, if I ever see her I'll call her "Elena."
Well, maybe it's context dependent. When she did that thing in Berlin a little while ago, the poster said "Eleni".  I'm assuming that was done by someone who knew, obviously.

viewtopic.php?p=40095060#p40095060

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If she's anything like my sister, she could change the way she spells her name every other sodding week
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Jan 29 2018, 08:53 PM #436

Tribute and a repeat of a 1984 interview from Dave Fanning RTE.

I've never heard it before and I've heard everything.

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcas ... ngshow.xml

Tape is a bit fast so everyone sounds like chipmunks. 
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Jan 29 2018, 10:31 PM #437

Do you know if John Lydon said something? I know he liked the Fall.
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Jan 30 2018, 07:37 AM #438

nonewthing wrote: Do you know if John Lydon said something? I know he liked the Fall.
I haven't seen anything, and I have been checking.  

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Jan 30 2018, 10:36 AM #439

From Spray Paint via Facebook:

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25 January at 07:01 · 
One of the many Fall songs we blatantly ripped off. RIP Mark E. Smith. Hopefully, the best high powered speed awaits you in the afterlife.

The Fall - Before The Moon Falls
Track 5 from The Fall's Dragnet album
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Jan 30 2018, 10:50 AM #440

Simon Reynolds:

http://reynoldsretro.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... -fall.html

"Out of my own writing, the missing bit here is the only time I actually interviewed Mark E. -  a piece that was part of a whimsical Observer package feature about how people with the name Smith were spending Christmas!  [...] This phone interview with M.E.S.  would have been 1989 probably. There wasn't a a huge story there to be honest - Mark was spending it with his mum and he was looking forward to being pampered and doted upon by various elderly female relatives. As others have reported, despite his reputation, Mark was unexpectedly pleasant. Indeed at one point, when I brought up the subject of his  image as a surly, doesn't-suffer-fools-gladly curmudgeon, he said "I'll have you know, Simon, I'm actually a very pleasant man." "
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Jan 30 2018, 07:39 PM #441

The Quietus has posted this previously unseen footage from New York in 1983:

http://thequietus.com/articles/23959-th ... rials-1983
http://tinyurl.com/lbukjk7
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Jan 30 2018, 07:56 PM #442

the very famous sports reporter wrote: The Quietus has posted this previously unseen footage from New York in 1983:

http://thequietus.com/articles/23959-th ... rials-1983
I'm not in a place where I can watch the video so I don't know the quality, but that is far and away the best version of that song.
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Jan 30 2018, 08:59 PM #443

the very famous sports reporter wrote: The Quietus has posted this previously unseen footage from New York in 1983:

http://thequietus.com/articles/23959-th ... rials-1983
my fave era. what a find...
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Jan 30 2018, 09:21 PM #444

misterrogers wrote:
the very famous sports reporter wrote: The Quietus has posted this previously unseen footage from New York in 1983:

http://thequietus.com/articles/23959-th ... rials-1983
my fave era. what a find...
Amazing to see it now.
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Jan 30 2018, 09:37 PM #445

the very famous sports reporter wrote: The Quietus has posted this previously unseen footage from New York in 1983:

http://thequietus.com/articles/23959-th ... rials-1983
That's really something... took it for granted at the time, that they were great, but from this distance it's just masterly.
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Jan 30 2018, 09:46 PM #446

That is a great clip, here’s a contemporary review from New York Times of their Speed Trials gig...

“Next best was the Fall, which comes from Britain and overlays a primitive but exhilarating beat (with two drummers) with chanted poetry. This was the only band of the five that allowed even a hope of discerning the words”

That Speed Trials LP was about the fifth record I ever brought!
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Jan 30 2018, 10:16 PM #447

French cartoon from Les Inrocks "Mark E Smith explained to my daughter." By Luz, a former contributor to Charlie Hebdo - the guy who did the Je suis charlie cover. 

https://www.lesinrocks.com/2018/01/30/m ... 111040012/

"Imagine, he who always had the had of an old man was once a baby like you...etc"
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Jan 30 2018, 11:16 PM #448

A Fall Online Forum tribute, made in 2011. Hex Enduction Ours. 


  

hex-enduction-ours-t29367.html

https://www.reverbnation.com/fofthefall ... orum/songs

Others were to follow .............. 
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Jan 30 2018, 11:26 PM #449

Apologies if posted already:

At Beggars, in honor of Mark, they have kicked off “Master Tape Monday & Unboxed” with a short video of IAKO masters.

Last edited by Chris a100 on Jan 30 2018, 11:33 PM, edited 1 time in total.
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Jan 30 2018, 11:30 PM #450

Starsky-Tandoori wrote: A Fall Online Forum tribute, made in 2011. Hex Enduction Ours. 


  

hex-enduction-ours-t29367.html

https://www.reverbnation.com/fofthefall ... orum/songs

Others were to follow .............. 

All fantastic obvs, but Mikeplow's 'The Classical', Otalgia's 'Hip Priest' and The Shrander's 'Nazis' are some of the finest covers you'll hear.  
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