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Yeah don’t really understand even why the piece is titled that. Does he blame him for the direction of post punk music?dannyno wrote: This is a curious piece:
Nick Reynolds, "Mark E Smith: not a “national treasure”
https://nickreynoldsatwork.wordpress.co ... -treasure/
Never noticed the “hand over the heart”.Wireless_Enthusiast wrote:Still processing the unwelcome news. R.I P. Mark E. Smith, a bona fide genius of rock & roll. A master of lyrical opacity tuned in to frequencies that others didn’t hear. An original, a maverick, a man who stayed true, not only to himself but his prole art muse. Partly because he was made that way, partly to piss off the slags and slates of Medialand GB. Despite the confrontational attitude, a fair and generous heart – be straight with him and he’d be straight with you. Belie yourself with guile or cliché, and his psychic antennae would quickly find you out. Not a man to trifle with, always preferred the red pills to the blue. Having said this, he did have a wicked sense of humour. Of course, he could be mean and curmudgeonly, even vicious when the mood took him – as he said last year in an interview, he could “clear a pub” when he wanted to. Proud of it as well, showed he hadn’t lost his edge, Mark the Manc and all that. First time I saw The Fall play live was at Manchester Poly in 1978. The last was in Aberdeen 2005, when I opened for them at The Lemon Tree. In between the first and last, my band Khmer Rouge supported them on several UK tour dates; my ex wife Marcia joined them on keyboards when Khmer Rouge split in 1986; Claus Castenskiold, ex drummer of Khmer Rouge, painted several of their album covers; Mark released my first solo single in 1989 on his label Cog Sinister (he fucked up the mix on the A side, but if he hadn’t given me a break and a bit of hope, I doubt I’d ever have escaped the Camden Town shooting gallery). So yeah, a long and sometimes “difficult” relationship – I guess the 60 + former band members have ambivalent feelings too. But at the end of the day his vision prevailed, influencing everyone from Sonic Youth to Pavement to Sleaford Mods. Not to mention tipping the wink to Post-rock, lo-fi, Industrial and Noise. Fiery Jack came up from Hell, and he never did go back to the slow life. Cheers, Mark, and thanks for everything.
Phil Shoenfelt, Prague
Now, that edit misses out a line, because if you [url=http://pt.euronews.com/2018/01/25/peter ... rk-e-smith]look at the Portuguese version[/url] although it has a simultaneous translation over the top that makes it hard to hear what Hook is saying, after "always in competition", Hook says something like this:Mark was a strange man. He was our competition very early on when we began, because the groups were always in competition. Even if his behaviour was sometimes not, shall we say, the best, he always had the group foremost in his mind, in the same way as Ian Curtis, it was always all about The Fall. I think that many people will attest that he was a difficult character. But most geniuses usually are very difficult for one reason or another, and he was a true punk genius. There is nobody to take Mark E Smith's place, nobody. It usually ended up well . He was an absolute unique character, and music will miss him and The Fall
But as I say, it's hard to hear.I've known Mark for years and I've had many run ins with him. Usually they ended well.
There was this as well:hfirr wrote: Here is a tribute from Orpheo McCord:
RIP to my pal, MES. so many fond memories with him. if ya scroll down this article Cate Le Bon shares a brief MES anecdote from when she was playing guitar on a White Fence tour & met him.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/ ... rk-e-smith
Well, maybe it's context dependent. When she did that thing in Berlin a little while ago, the poster said "Eleni". I'm assuming that was done by someone who knew, obviously.bzfgt wrote:So--she signs "Elena," not "Eleni" or "Elini." I never knew that, if I ever see her I'll call her "Elena."hfirr wrote: Here is a tribute from Orpheo McCord:
If she's anything like my sister, she could change the way she spells her name every other sodding weekdannyno wrote:Well, maybe it's context dependent. When she did that thing in Berlin a little while ago, the poster said "Eleni". I'm assuming that was done by someone who knew, obviously.bzfgt wrote:So--she signs "Elena," not "Eleni" or "Elini." I never knew that, if I ever see her I'll call her "Elena."hfirr wrote: Here is a tribute from Orpheo McCord:
I haven't seen anything, and I have been checking.nonewthing wrote: Do you know if John Lydon said something? I know he liked the Fall.
I'm not in a place where I can watch the video so I don't know the quality, but that is far and away the best version of that song.
my fave era. what a find...
Amazing to see it now.misterrogers wrote:my fave era. what a find...
That's really something... took it for granted at the time, that they were great, but from this distance it's just masterly.
Starsky-Tandoori wrote: A Fall Online Forum tribute, made in 2011. Hex Enduction Ours.
https://www.reverbnation.com/fofthefall ... orum/songs
Others were to follow ..............