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picky
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Dec 12 2008, 09:55 PM #1

WHAT IS THE EASIEST/QUICKEST WAY TO GET GOING ON THE ELECTRIC GUITAR FOR AN ABSOLUTE BEGINNER ?
CAN ANYONE RECCOMEND ANY GOOD BOOKS/WEBSITES/DVDS ETC
THANKYOU
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Dec 12 2008, 10:00 PM #2

picky @ Dec 12 2008, 09:55 PM wrote: WHAT IS THE EASIEST/QUICKEST WAY TO GET GOING ON THE ELECTRIC GUITAR FOR AN ABSOLUTE BEGINNER ?
CAN ANYONE RECCOMEND ANY GOOD BOOKS/WEBSITES/DVDS ETC
THANKYOU
No idea.
You may have just put Pete Greenway out of a job though, there.
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Dec 12 2008, 10:06 PM #3

I don't think is exactly what you're looking for:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Guitar-Man-Will ... 379&sr=8-2

but it is a great read.
I've got no time for intellectual music eg Hergest Ridge
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Dec 12 2008, 10:17 PM #4

picky @ Dec 13 2008, 09:55 AM wrote: WHAT IS THE EASIEST/QUICKEST WAY TO GET GOING ON THE ELECTRIC GUITAR FOR AN ABSOLUTE BEGINNER ?
CAN ANYONE RECCOMEND ANY GOOD BOOKS/WEBSITES/DVDS ETC
THANKYOU
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Dec 12 2008, 10:24 PM #5

Guitar hero world tour!
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Dec 12 2008, 10:27 PM #6

Anyway, I had a black sabbath tab book that came with a cd. i think it's good to start with music from your favourite bands, so at least you know and like the songs.
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Dec 12 2008, 10:31 PM #7

download joy division tabs. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/joy ... n_tabs.htm

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Dec 12 2008, 11:46 PM #8

the beatles no 1 (takes no time)

then any pickin chickin blues book

im learning acoustically tho
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Dec 13 2008, 02:42 AM #9

How to play Guitar
by David Fair

I taught myself to play guitar. It's incredibly easy when you understand the science of it. The skinny strings play the high sounds, and the fat strings play the low sounds. If you put your finger on the string farther out by the tuning end it makes a lower sound. If you want to play fast, move your hand fast and if you want to play slower move your hand slower. That's all there is to it. You can learn the names of notes and how to make chords that other people use, but that's pretty limiting. Even if you took a few years and learned all the chords you'd still have a limited number of options. If you ignore the chords your options are infinite and you can master guitar playing in one day.
Traditionally, guitars have a fat string on the top and they get skinnier and skinnier as they go down. But the thing to remember is it's your guitar and you can put whatever you want on it. I like to put six different sized strings on it because that gives the most variety, but my brother used to put all of the same thickness on so he wouldn't have so much to worry about. What ever string he hit had to be the right one because they were all the same.
Tuning the guitar is kind of a ridiculous notion. If you have to wind the tuning pegs to just a certain place, that implies that every other place would be wrong. But that's absurd. How could it be wrong? It's your guitar and you're the one playing it. It's completely up to you to decide how it should sound. In fact I don't tune by the sound at all. I wind the strings until they're all about the same tightness. I highly recommend electric guitars for a couple of reasons. First of all they don't depend on body resonating for the sound so it doesn't matter if you paint them. As also, if you put all the knobs on your amplifier on 10 you can get a much higher reaction to effort ratio with an electric guitar than you can with an acoustic. Just a tiny tap on the strings can rattle your windows, and when you slam the strings, with your amp on 10, you can strip the paint off the walls.
The first guitar I bought was a Silvertone. Later I bought a Fender Telecaster, but it really doesn't matter what kind you buy as long as the tuning pegs are on the end of the neck where they belong. A few years back someone came out with a guitar that tunes at the other end. I've never tried one. I guess they sound alright but they look ridiculous and I imagine you'd feel pretty foolish holding one. That would affect your playing. The idea isn't to feel foolish. The idea is to put a pick in one hand and a guitar in the other and with a tiny movement rule the world.
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Dec 13 2008, 03:06 AM #10

Never mind that.

Get some drums mate.

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Dec 13 2008, 05:40 AM #11

friendly_visitor @ Dec 12 2008, 10:42 PM wrote:
How to play Guitar
by David Fair

I taught myself to play guitar. It's incredibly easy when you understand the science of it. The skinny strings play the high sounds, and the fat strings play the low sounds. If you put your finger on the string farther out by the tuning end it makes a lower sound. If you want to play fast, move your hand fast and if you want to play slower move your hand slower. That's all there is to it. You can learn the names of notes and how to make chords that other people use, but that's pretty limiting. Even if you took a few years and learned all the chords you'd still have a limited number of options. If you ignore the chords your options are infinite and you can master guitar playing in one day.
Traditionally, guitars have a fat string on the top and they get skinnier and skinnier as they go down. But the thing to remember is it's your guitar and you can put whatever you want on it. I like to put six different sized strings on it because that gives the most variety, but my brother used to put all of the same thickness on so he wouldn't have so much to worry about. What ever string he hit had to be the right one because they were all the same.
Tuning the guitar is kind of a ridiculous notion. If you have to wind the tuning pegs to just a certain place, that implies that every other place would be wrong. But that's absurd. How could it be wrong? It's your guitar and you're the one playing it. It's completely up to you to decide how it should sound. In fact I don't tune by the sound at all. I wind the strings until they're all about the same tightness. I highly recommend electric guitars for a couple of reasons. First of all they don't depend on body resonating for the sound so it doesn't matter if you paint them. As also, if you put all the knobs on your amplifier on 10 you can get a much higher reaction to effort ratio with an electric guitar than you can with an acoustic. Just a tiny tap on the strings can rattle your windows, and when you slam the strings, with your amp on 10, you can strip the paint off the walls.
The first guitar I bought was a Silvertone. Later I bought a Fender Telecaster, but it really doesn't matter what kind you buy as long as the tuning pegs are on the end of the neck where they belong. A few years back someone came out with a guitar that tunes at the other end. I've never tried one. I guess they sound alright but they look ridiculous and I imagine you'd feel pretty foolish holding one. That would affect your playing. The idea isn't to feel foolish. The idea is to put a pick in one hand and a guitar in the other and with a tiny movement rule the world.
I had this in my "clipboard" already to ctrl+V here.
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Dec 13 2008, 09:15 AM #12

Cleanville Tziabatz @ Dec 13 2008, 05:40 PM wrote:
friendly_visitor @ Dec 12 2008, 10:42 PM wrote:
How to play Guitar
by David Fair

I taught myself to play guitar. It's incredibly easy when you understand the science of it. The skinny strings play the high sounds, and the fat strings play the low sounds. If you put your finger on the string farther out by the tuning end it makes a lower sound. If you want to play fast, move your hand fast and if you want to play slower move your hand slower. That's all there is to it. You can learn the names of notes and how to make chords that other people use, but that's pretty limiting. Even if you took a few years and learned all the chords you'd still have a limited number of options. If you ignore the chords your options are infinite and you can master guitar playing in one day.
Traditionally, guitars have a fat string on the top and they get skinnier and skinnier as they go down. But the thing to remember is it's your guitar and you can put whatever you want on it. I like to put six different sized strings on it because that gives the most variety, but my brother used to put all of the same thickness on so he wouldn't have so much to worry about. What ever string he hit had to be the right one because they were all the same.
Tuning the guitar is kind of a ridiculous notion. If you have to wind the tuning pegs to just a certain place, that implies that every other place would be wrong. But that's absurd. How could it be wrong? It's your guitar and you're the one playing it. It's completely up to you to decide how it should sound. In fact I don't tune by the sound at all. I wind the strings until they're all about the same tightness. I highly recommend electric guitars for a couple of reasons. First of all they don't depend on body resonating for the sound so it doesn't matter if you paint them. As also, if you put all the knobs on your amplifier on 10 you can get a much higher reaction to effort ratio with an electric guitar than you can with an acoustic. Just a tiny tap on the strings can rattle your windows, and when you slam the strings, with your amp on 10, you can strip the paint off the walls.
The first guitar I bought was a Silvertone. Later I bought a Fender Telecaster, but it really doesn't matter what kind you buy as long as the tuning pegs are on the end of the neck where they belong. A few years back someone came out with a guitar that tunes at the other end. I've never tried one. I guess they sound alright but they look ridiculous and I imagine you'd feel pretty foolish holding one. That would affect your playing. The idea isn't to feel foolish. The idea is to put a pick in one hand and a guitar in the other and with a tiny movement rule the world.
I had this in my "clipboard" already to ctrl+V here.
Sorry! :ohdear:
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Dec 13 2008, 10:24 AM #13

Do you like Neil Young? If so, the main Neil Young fansite (can't remember what it's called) has an extensive tab and chord archive containing some fairly simple to play songs.

I would advise that you spend some dull time learning chords and changing between them, alleviating the frustration by cranking up to full distortion and feedback and just bashing the fuck out of your guitar. Concentrate on finding sounds and tones that please you.
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Dec 13 2008, 10:30 AM #14

:applaud:

Spending time learning to play the basic chords without twisting your fingers is worthwhile, but I have never missed not learning any scales - unless you want to sound like Robert Fripp.

Remember, it's not called 'playing' for nothing, so as soon as it stops being fun, have a break.

I would also avoid Guitar Discussion Forums etc. as they tend to be full of those annoying "you can't break the rules until you know them" types and then they go on to post YouTubes of themselves copying Rush note-for-note.
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Dec 13 2008, 01:29 PM #15

Cappuccino and a slice of quiche @ Dec 13 2008, 10:06 AM wrote: I don't think is exactly what you're looking for:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Guitar-Man-Will ... 379&sr=8-2

but it is a great read.
Should also have mentioned that one of the guitarists Will Hodgkinson accosts/interviews for advice on learning how to play from scratch is James Williamson (!)
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Dec 13 2008, 06:55 PM #16

1. get a good guitar. dont fuck about with a bad one, ou will never get going
2. taught my daughter who is now a good player: the main thing people use are chords, these are groups of notes you play at same time rather than just one note at a time
3. the main chords you use are of two types: major minor
3. these are named from a to g (a maj b maj and so on). a good sampel here



and a guy talking about it and showing you here, but any youtube guitar chords beginners will get you what you want

[url=http://www.sixstringsensei.com/lessons/ ... hords.html]http://www.sixstringsensei.com/lessons/ ... hords.html
[/URL]

4. learn one a day of the majors
5. learn one a day of the minors

then return to the forum for further instructions
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Dec 13 2008, 07:04 PM #17

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Dec 13 2008, 11:27 PM #18

I consider Jandek a virtuoso in a style of which he's the only exponent.

My advice: learn some basic chord shapes including movable barre chords. There's also the CAGED system which is an easy way to play modes & scales, and you get very quick results from it.

Otherwise I'd agree with those who advise you don't get bogged down in theory - palying along to records and just listening to records, and experimenting and having fun should come first. You can fill in the bits of theory that you'd find of specific use to you later - or not.

I'd also advise a good cheap electirc, like a Fender Squire.
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Dec 14 2008, 12:32 AM #19

I am just learning too. I find chordie.com a good site for songs to learn. If you are anything like me, you have no interest in learning the standard guitar choonz for beginners, but would rather play some songs that you know. Chordie has an automatic chord transposition button, so even the hardest songs become playable, after learning a few bar chords. For confidence building starters, Id recommend Helpless by Neil Young (3 chords) or Redemption Song (Joe Strummer version) 5 basic chords, nice sounding changes.
Good Luck.

My nemesis at the moment is God's Comic by Elvis Costello. That shift to B7 is a killer.
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Dec 14 2008, 12:36 AM #20

worthless recluse @ Dec 14 2008, 11:27 AM wrote: I'd also advise a good cheap electirc, like a Fender Squire.
My guitar playing mentor advises the opposite. Apparently its really easy to make barre chords further up the fretboard with an electric guitar, compared to an acoustic. He recommends learning on an acoustic, so that playing an electric later is a piece of piss. Sounds sensible.
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Dec 14 2008, 09:47 PM #21

IanMcC @ Dec 14 2008, 12:36 PM wrote:
worthless recluse @ Dec 14 2008, 11:27 AM wrote: I'd also advise a good cheap electirc, like a Fender Squire.
My guitar playing mentor advises the opposite. Apparently its really easy to make barre chords further up the fretboard with an electric guitar, compared to an acoustic. He recommends learning on an acoustic, so that playing an electric later is a piece of piss. Sounds sensible.
Yes - as Stalin said: Train hard, fight easy.

Although how much time he devoted to playing guitar remains a mystery.


Starting on electric does give more satisfying immediate results, if rock is what you're after, though.
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Dec 15 2008, 02:04 AM #22

fender squire is an electric guitar

cheapish copy of fender stratocaster or telecaster

they sell these xmas packages with guitar and amp quitecheap

got my daughter an epiphone 335 from ebay

good guitar, i think it cost about 150 pounds

plays it through stereo at home , uses amp for gigs that she now does

as for the theory, Do pick it up bit by bit

i ahve been playing for a long time adn thigns would have gone much quicker if i had known some theory

punk rock ethic i dont agree with now although i used to

i know itssubjective but the majority of 'good' musicians i know have a reasonable knoweldge of theory

however, to begin with, just have fun playing along
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Dec 15 2008, 02:15 AM #23

worthless recluse @ Dec 14 2008, 11:27 AM wrote:I consider Jandek a virtuoso in a style of which he's the only exponent.
Me too...and that's why i used this :) instead of this :P or this :D or this :finger:.

May i just say that i find your new avatar very un-christmassy and that i thought that the Irish were Katolischer als the Italienern? :P
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Dec 15 2008, 10:25 AM #24

picky @ Dec 12 2008, 10:55 PM wrote: WHAT IS THE EASIEST/QUICKEST WAY TO GET GOING ON THE ELECTRIC GUITAR FOR AN ABSOLUTE BEGINNER ?
CAN ANYONE RECCOMEND ANY GOOD BOOKS/WEBSITES/DVDS ETC
THANKYOU
I'D ALSO SUGGEST FINDING SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO PLAY ONE AND ASKING THEM TO SHOW YOU SOME CHORDS TOO.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO PLAYS GUITAR, LOOK IN YOUR LOCAL PAPER, AND LOOK FOR 'JAM NIGHT'S OR 'OPEN MIC' NIGHTS. POP ALONG. YOU ARE LIKELY TO FIND *SOMEONE* WHO PLAYS GUITAR AT SUCH A NIGHT. TELL THEM YOU ARE LEARNING, MOST WILL PASS ON SOME TIPS OR CHORDS.

GOOD LUCK!
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Dec 15 2008, 11:31 AM #25

Stranger @ Dec 15 2008, 10:25 PM wrote:
picky @ Dec 12 2008, 10:55 PM wrote: WHAT IS THE EASIEST/QUICKEST WAY TO GET GOING ON THE ELECTRIC GUITAR FOR AN ABSOLUTE BEGINNER ?
CAN ANYONE RECCOMEND ANY GOOD BOOKS/WEBSITES/DVDS ETC
THANKYOU
I'D ALSO SUGGEST FINDING SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO PLAY ONE AND ASKING THEM TO SHOW YOU SOME CHORDS TOO.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO PLAYS GUITAR, LOOK IN YOUR LOCAL PAPER, AND LOOK FOR 'JAM NIGHT'S OR 'OPEN MIC' NIGHTS. POP ALONG. YOU ARE LIKELY TO FIND *SOMEONE* WHO PLAYS GUITAR AT SUCH A NIGHT. TELL THEM YOU ARE LEARNING, MOST WILL PASS ON SOME TIPS OR CHORDS.

GOOD LUCK!

spot on

very good advice
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