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Feb 20 2014, 12:19 AM #101

flickeringlexicon @ Feb 20 2014, 12:00 PM wrote:
delmore @ Feb 19 2014, 03:53 PM wrote: Then what's he plugging into?
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Feb 21 2014, 08:50 PM #102

Righteous Fred @ Feb 19 2014, 08:19 PM wrote: This is my aide to learning chords. A mock-up of a fret board which I can pick up and run through my chords.

Now that is a piece of work. I clocked this post earlier in the week, it tickled me pink and I slept soundly thinking about it, thanks for that RF :D Why don't you get a little ukulele for about the kitchen or something of that ilk?

Looking back at this thread... It's been ages since I was learning. Doing my back in and then fracturing my right elbow put paid to my guitar playing aspirations for years!

Feeling better now and this pic has inspired me to have another bash, good one RF

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Feb 21 2014, 10:57 PM #103

^^ I am just learning my chords. Ultimately I would love to be able to play Dylan. I said I wanted to play 'Precious Angel', but that is very ambitious. Perhaps this one is a bit easier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMK5_D8mK5s

I am a long way off from doing that, but I will keep trying.
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Feb 21 2014, 11:01 PM #104

I do not know Precious Angel, but for 'If Not For You,' you will need:

G
D
C
A minor

That's it.

@ Swintax: good on ya for starting again. :)
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Feb 21 2014, 11:08 PM #105

Thanks and press on RF
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Feb 21 2014, 11:10 PM #106

flickeringlexicon @ Feb 22 2014, 12:01 AM wrote: I do not know Precious Angel, but for 'If Not For You,' you will need:

G
D
C
A minor

That's it.

@ Swintax: good on ya for starting again. :)
Thanks flicker. I think I can manage that. It can be quite daunting when you see all those complicated chords.
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Feb 21 2014, 11:11 PM #107

Righteous Fred @ Feb 21 2014, 03:10 PM wrote:
flickeringlexicon @ Feb 22 2014, 12:01 AM wrote: I do not know Precious Angel, but for 'If Not For You,' you will need:

G
D
C
A minor

That's it.

@ Swintax: good on ya for starting again. :)
Thanks flicker. I think I can manage that. It can be quite daunting when you see all those complicated chords.
:) true. And even Dylan, know for his 'rootsy' simplicity, can throw quite a few chords in when he wants to.
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Feb 22 2014, 12:20 AM #108

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Oct 4 2014, 11:41 PM #109

flickeringlexicon @ Feb 5 2014, 12:54 PM wrote:
marvell78 @ Feb 5 2014, 08:53 AM wrote: think in the sequence a..d..a...d...e...d...a

a few thousand songs there
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Oct 13 2014, 06:06 PM #110

Right, thats it. After several months I can only play 4 chords: A, E, D, G and I am still miles away from playing a Smiths song :(

I have booked a lesson with a local guitar tuition fella. If nothing else the paying of 15 pounds per hour will concentrate my mind to practise more.

Is it worth getting tuition like this?

What more can he do than say "put your fingers there". Now go away and do it hundreds of times!
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Oct 13 2014, 08:32 PM #111

Can be a huge help. Make sure he/she is cool though, or it's no good.
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Oct 15 2014, 12:13 AM #112

delmore @ Oct 13 2014, 09:32 PM wrote: Can be a huge help. Make sure he/she is cool though, or it's no good.
I wont know how cool he is until first lesson, which is tomorrow. If he has not heard of The Fall it may be a one-off :D
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Oct 15 2014, 09:54 PM #113

it is agood idea. i did it myself last year. it forces you to work at it (or endure the humiliation of fumbling around). no way i would have learnt the stuff if i had been left with youtube or something like that

smiths songs are really complicaed for a learner. the morrisey solo ones are much easier. they dont have the same degree of sophistication. the chord sequences are bog average.
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Oct 16 2014, 10:58 PM #114

Righteous Fred @ Oct 15 2014, 01:13 AM wrote:
delmore @ Oct 13 2014, 09:32 PM wrote: Can be a huge help. Make sure he/she is cool though, or it's no good.
I wont know how cool he is until first lesson, which is tomorrow. If he has not heard of The Fall it may be a one-off :D
Actually, if the tutor is not "cool" it may be no bad thing.

mine was an old guy, who played organ at public gatherings, was kindly, a little wordy, and couldn't really be described as 'cool'.

But he helped teach me a lot - I learnt about folk picking and tho I'm not particularly adept at anything more than basic rhythm guitar, I can still remember the bare bones of the folk picking to this day - things like how the Beatles used it on Dear Prudence (this is probably what Donovan meant when he said he 'taught' the Beatles to play guitar...he went to India with them in '68, and the picking on Dear Prudence could well have been a result of that).

Don't pre-judge, and don't think learning Smiths songs is the only way to go / only way to benefit.

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Oct 17 2014, 12:04 PM #115

Thanks for advice. It went well. He is a very good communicator. Very relaxed and good sense of humour. He is a neighbour and I felt relaxed with him, which is important as I get very anxious about things like this.There are no short-cuts, which I was hoping for. Just need to learn the chords and string some together. Finding it hard and at times frustrating, but will persevere. Worth the money since he gave he an hour and a half, in fact I had to say that was enough for me!
Will go again and keep practising, for a few weeks anyway, then take stock whether I can make progress.
And said he had "heard of" The Fall!
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Oct 17 2014, 02:03 PM #116

Righteous Fred @ Oct 18 2014, 12:04 AM wrote: Thanks for advice. It went well. He is a very good communicator. Very relaxed and good sense of humour. He is a neighbour and I felt relaxed with him, which is important as I get very anxious about things like this.There are no short-cuts, which I was hoping for. Just need to learn the chords and string some together. Finding it hard and at times frustrating, but will persevere. Worth the money since he gave he an hour and a half, in fact I had to say that was enough for me!
Will go again and keep practising, for a few weeks anyway, then take stock whether I can make progress.
And said he had "heard of" The Fall!

good for you

out of interest, is it an electric or acosuti guitar.

and are the strings high or low on the fretboard. a lot of cheaper gtrs are impossible to play properly becaseu the strings are just too high off the fretbaord and it is so difficult to hold them down
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Oct 17 2014, 03:03 PM #117

marvell78 @ Oct 17 2014, 03:03 PM wrote:
Righteous Fred @ Oct 18 2014, 12:04 AM wrote: Thanks for advice. It went well. He is a very good communicator. Very relaxed and good sense of humour. He is a neighbour and I felt  relaxed with him, which is important as I get very anxious about things like this.There are no short-cuts, which I was hoping for. Just need to learn the chords and string some together. Finding it hard and at times frustrating, but will persevere. Worth the money since he gave he an hour and a half, in fact I had to say that was enough for me!
Will go again and keep practising, for a few weeks anyway, then take stock whether I can make progress.
And said he had "heard of" The Fall!

good for you

out of interest, is it an electric or acosuti guitar.

and are the strings high or low on the fretboard. a lot of cheaper gtrs are impossible to play properly becaseu the strings are just too high off the fretbaord and it is so difficult to hold them down
Thanks!
It is an acoustic. Relatively cheap at about £90. A Squier.
Now you mention it the strings do seem quite high off the fret board, but have nothing to compare it too. Will mentionto tutor next week.

I think I need to get more flexibilty in my fingers. Hopefully will improve with practice.
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Oct 25 2014, 05:26 PM #118

Making good progress after two sessions with tutor. He restrung my guitar with lighter strings and lowered them by adjusting bridge and nut, and what a difference! Those chords are so much easier to make now. Really enjoying it.
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Oct 25 2014, 05:33 PM #119

That's gotta help - I once had mediums on my acoustic and it nearly killed me though I've played for 87 years. :)

Have you learned any songs yet?
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Oct 26 2014, 01:50 AM #120

actually, a lesson I've learnt the hard way is one I'll pass on...if you end up going to open mics, they can be fun.

When performing though...there's a fine line between performing because you love a song and performing well with practice.

I like a lot of the former: but while it can be (relatively) spontateous, I've come to understand why quite a lot of people did the same old trusted songs. The idea always appalled me, as I thought how boring...but, performing just what you like, unless you are a particularly good singer who can turn their hand - well voice - to anything, it can backfire :ohdear:

I am re-learning that there are certain songs that suit my voice some that are more of a struggle...it is a fine line, because what you think is within your range, may not sound so good live.

Anyway said enough...I've found that I think some Mike Nesmith songs (not the ones with yodelling and the really high pitched notes) suit my voice, and hopefully I'm right on this :)...my point if anything is if you like The Smiths, take care to choose a song and practice it well when going to open mics, at least if you can be a bit sensitive.

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Oct 26 2014, 04:33 AM #121

The guitar us a drum with strings. As a percussion instrument it's very forgiving. If you get lost in a song dampen the strings with your strumming wrist til reorientation.
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Oct 26 2014, 08:23 AM #122

delmore @ Oct 25 2014, 06:33 PM wrote: Have you learned any songs yet?
Practising Knocking On Heaven's Door. My first song! Only 4 chords, G, D, C, Am. Its a bit stilted but I am getting better each day.
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Oct 26 2014, 03:36 PM #123

Righteous Fred @ Oct 26 2014, 04:23 AM wrote:
delmore @ Oct 25 2014, 06:33 PM wrote: Have you learned any songs yet?
Practising Knocking On Heaven's Door. My first song! Only 4 chords, G, D, C, Am. Its a bit stilted but I am getting better each day.
Good choice imo, it's fun to play. That song is susceptible to 25 minute jams though so be careful around others!.
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Jan 11 2015, 01:46 PM #124

When this guy goes from C to F in the verse, is he playing the notes A sharp and A on the G string?

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Jan 11 2015, 10:12 PM #125

delmore @ Oct 26 2014, 04:36 PM wrote:
Righteous Fred @ Oct 26 2014, 04:23 AM wrote:
delmore @ Oct 25 2014, 06:33 PM wrote: Have you learned any songs yet?
Practising Knocking On Heaven's Door. My first song! Only 4 chords, G, D, C, Am. Its a bit stilted but I am getting better each day.
Good choice imo, it's fun to play. That song is susceptible to 25 minute jams though so be careful around others!.
Indeed it is, I felt like I was knocking at heaven's door many times, when those jams went on at the open mics I went to.
celebrate the music of The Fall, forget the differences!
The stereo Radio Lancs Clitheroe '85 recording...on an official LP from the master tape, please...!
Sheffield Sound City 93 on LP, Nottingham 1987, Glastonbury 2015...too!
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