My Observations

My Observations

Complete Outsider
Complete Outsider

November 8th, 2006, 5:43 pm #1

I've been to Prince George, I've seen how things are run and I have come up with this:

1) There is probably more behind the scenes going on than the average person can see

2) The talent for a winning team is there

3) There are an inordinate amount of fans who view the team negatively


You guys are pretty lucky to have a WHL team with great potential and the RBC this season, enjoy it
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November 9th, 2006, 1:11 am #2

I was there last night and the game was on par with the season opener. Incredible amount of value for my $. When the final buzzer sounded I couldn't believe it was over already. The Cougars dominated.

I also think Mike Vandekamp rumours are a waste of bytes.

What I will say though, is the Cougars very well might have had a valid reason for what they did, and under the privacy laws of this country, they have to keep their mouth shut as employee records are confidential. The only way it can become public is in the case of a lawsuit.

Unfortunately Rick has built up such a great deal of fan ill will, that even if he's done something right, he's going to be wrong.

As for the new coach, my read on this is they are never going to find a bona fide head coach at this time of year, but they have to put someone there. This fellow has probably really been hired as assistant coach, and will assume that role when a head coach is hired, unless, the team does awesome this season, then why screw with what's working.

Listening to Deagle on the post game show, it sounds like the players may have been under a cloud. I never noticed this before, but it was pointed out to me that all season the cougars haven't been going back and tapping the goalie when they score, and last night they were doing it, which indicates Mike may not have allowed that practice.

All I can say is if the Cougars play even 80% of the way they did last night, they are well worth a watch, and they are worth fan support, in spite of Brodsky.

BTW - that Tyrell is just a joy to watch. And as for Redden, someone has to let him know how old he is. He keeps fighting whoever he can find. It was nice to see him stick up for Cyr last night. It was a good time to fight. I think this kid might be a premier defenceman.

Vanderhoven is another surprise to me. Last year he was awkward, this year he's showing great confidence. He must also have a lot of strength, because I watched him push another player into the boards not from momentum of his direction, but just by sheer leg strength. Another one to keep our eyes on.
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Joined: November 14th, 2006, 6:19 pm

November 14th, 2006, 6:54 pm #3

I've been to Prince George, I've seen how things are run and I have come up with this:

1) There is probably more behind the scenes going on than the average person can see

2) The talent for a winning team is there

3) There are an inordinate amount of fans who view the team negatively


You guys are pretty lucky to have a WHL team with great potential and the RBC this season, enjoy it
Wow, somebody with a little common sense; forget hockey sense. What is so brave about hiding behind a screen and keyboard and pointing fingers? Especially when you don't even have seasons tickets anymore? "You give up the right to complain if you don't vote..."

These players will be fine once they have a chance to actually be together for a week or two without a key injury, trade or firing. There has been a lot of changes for them in a relatively short period. Do we know how many played hurt? Especially when other guys were already out? There are lots of things that will get better now. These players are still learning which means they do sometimes make mistakes. The WHL is a developmental league. Too many people lose sight of that fact. Let them learn.

Try watching the game! Watch different parts of it! Watch different players! Stop painting everybody with one brush because of a rumour, an afternoon, a bad game! You might find something you like - wait, what's wrong with that?????
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Cougar fan for years
Cougar fan for years

November 14th, 2006, 7:31 pm #4

We have had cougar tickets for many years--We love hockey and enjoy watching the players regardless of the score. I think that all the negative people in this town need to give their heads a shake and be thankful that we have a WHL team--get to the Cn centre on game nights and support the players. Fill the place with people noise and energy-- these young men would find the incentive to then step-up their play--instead they look up at a lot of empty green seats. Shame on all the so called hockey fans of Prince George. Lets support these young boys living away from home -- I'm sure that is not always easy for them. We are tired of hearing "We don't like the Brodskys so we are not going to the games" these people need to let that go and be thankful we have the hockey team here. Lets support the players and get back to being the BEST FANS IN THE LEAGUE.
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tombstone81
tombstone81

November 14th, 2006, 7:37 pm #5

Wow, somebody with a little common sense; forget hockey sense. What is so brave about hiding behind a screen and keyboard and pointing fingers? Especially when you don't even have seasons tickets anymore? "You give up the right to complain if you don't vote..."

These players will be fine once they have a chance to actually be together for a week or two without a key injury, trade or firing. There has been a lot of changes for them in a relatively short period. Do we know how many played hurt? Especially when other guys were already out? There are lots of things that will get better now. These players are still learning which means they do sometimes make mistakes. The WHL is a developmental league. Too many people lose sight of that fact. Let them learn.

Try watching the game! Watch different parts of it! Watch different players! Stop painting everybody with one brush because of a rumour, an afternoon, a bad game! You might find something you like - wait, what's wrong with that?????
I think you (and the numerous other posters who have made that allegation here) are way off base. The fact is, the Brodsky family has NEVER given me a forum in which to come out and voice my vote for change or direction with the team...despite the fact that my family has been season ticket holders since day one (and still are).

Many franchises afford their season-ticket holders regular sessions with the owner/GM/coach etc. so that they can communicate their concerns, ask questions, etc. Much like a shareholders' AGM. We are the shareholders yet Brodsky just takes our money, hands the reigns to his son and daughter (and any other drunk uncle in the family) and gives us the finger.

I would be more than happy to stand up in a public meeting at the Multiplex or the Library or wherever the hell else he held it and make many of the same comments I would here. Obviously, however, I'm not going to provide my name, e-mail address and phone number on the Internet where it can be picked up by any psycho stalker, deranged Brodsky-lover or Viagra spam salesman to flood my inbox with crap.

Why do you think we are so "LUCKY" to have a WHL franchise? It's just another choice of entertainment. I don't think Vancouver is necessarily "Lucky" to have a horse-racing track, an NHL team or a CFL team. It's just a large enough base to draw from to make those viable realities for their owners. Same with Prince George--it has nothing to do with luck. The fact of the matter is the city has proven it is large enough to support such a franchise and there will likely always be one here...even if Brodsky finally gets the hell out of Dodge.

I would just rather see this version gone or radically changed so that a better, healthier franchise can take it's place--one that is staffed by people with real hockey smarts and a willingness to do what it takes to build a cohesive, hard-working, entertaining product.
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November 14th, 2006, 8:40 pm #6

How do you expect the team to be positive and cohesive when even the fans can't separate their support of the team from the dislike of management? Put it into a real life setting. You work for a company that isn't popular. You try to do a good job, maybe make the odd mistake but all you hear in the community is what jerks you work for. All your neighbours whisper about you. Start taking half-truths and turn them into complete lies and post them on the community and/or company email system. Ready to go to work Monday morning? Bright eyed and bushy tailed?

The players hear all the negative all the time. What a shock it would be to them to hear support and encouragement to improve! Maybe instill in the players the belief that you can do a good job regardless of the situation you're in? Teach them something that they can use beyond hockey? What are you teaching them? Bitch, bitch, bitch...

Quit worrying about being the GM or the owner, shareholder.... Just be a fan!
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November 14th, 2006, 10:24 pm #7

I think the flaw in your argument is you don't consider that in order to support the kids with attendance, you have to support Brodsky with $. The more money he gets, the less likely there will be change. Keep in mind there were those years of almost fanatical support, and he did nothing of consequence to create a better product. Polonich and Butler were his only efforts, and for some strange reason they couldn't get out of town fast enough. After they left he replaced the GM with Lubinecki, a man with a historical losing record in Saskatoon.

If the multiplex started getting crowds of 5000 tomorrow, we'd still have the same on-ice product, and the same contempt for the fans. Brodsky is the only one who can turn this around by stepping back and putting the right people in the job, the only problem is, he's so well known as a wingnut no one of quality will work for him.

I agree with your business analogy, but to take it further, if I was in that situation, I would only stay if they paid me more money than anyone else, or, I couldn't get a job elsewhere. But anyone in that situation who can, usually will opt to get out of it. I think that might be what we're seeing with our players and fans.
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November 14th, 2006, 11:36 pm #8

your facts are wrong. Luby didnt have a losing record, and tell me how many teams tried to get Polonich as gm after he left here. no one did
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Cougar Guy
Cougar Guy

November 15th, 2006, 12:38 am #9

How do you expect the team to be positive and cohesive when even the fans can't separate their support of the team from the dislike of management? Put it into a real life setting. You work for a company that isn't popular. You try to do a good job, maybe make the odd mistake but all you hear in the community is what jerks you work for. All your neighbours whisper about you. Start taking half-truths and turn them into complete lies and post them on the community and/or company email system. Ready to go to work Monday morning? Bright eyed and bushy tailed?

The players hear all the negative all the time. What a shock it would be to them to hear support and encouragement to improve! Maybe instill in the players the belief that you can do a good job regardless of the situation you're in? Teach them something that they can use beyond hockey? What are you teaching them? Bitch, bitch, bitch...

Quit worrying about being the GM or the owner, shareholder.... Just be a fan!
I expect the team and the franchise to EARN my support. That is SOLELY their responsibility. That support is not a given and I have no inherent obligation whatsoever to support this team or this franchise otherwise. If they can earn my support, good for them and good for me. If they can't, then their business will fail. It's that simple and it's also quite obvious which way they are heading.

This organization is not a community group, a school team, a neighbourhood watch or some sort of charity. It is a multi million dollar business. If people used these holistic arguments when talking about a car dealership, a major restaurant, an electronics store or a movie theatre, you'd be looked at as though you had 3 heads.
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The Pucks
The Pucks

November 15th, 2006, 2:25 am #10

How do you expect the team to be positive and cohesive when even the fans can't separate their support of the team from the dislike of management? Put it into a real life setting. You work for a company that isn't popular. You try to do a good job, maybe make the odd mistake but all you hear in the community is what jerks you work for. All your neighbours whisper about you. Start taking half-truths and turn them into complete lies and post them on the community and/or company email system. Ready to go to work Monday morning? Bright eyed and bushy tailed?

The players hear all the negative all the time. What a shock it would be to them to hear support and encouragement to improve! Maybe instill in the players the belief that you can do a good job regardless of the situation you're in? Teach them something that they can use beyond hockey? What are you teaching them? Bitch, bitch, bitch...

Quit worrying about being the GM or the owner, shareholder.... Just be a fan!
After 10 plus years of putting up with this crap I no longer care. Sit on your high horse and preach, good for you. I have defended this team to no end. This season has been the final straw for me. You get hit in the nuts night after night, pretty soon you start protecting your nuts.

I am sick of the circus, I have found better and more enjoyable ways of spending game nights.

Brodksy can kiss my ass.
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