Cryonics PR idea

Cryonics PR idea

Joined: October 6th, 2004, 6:46 pm

February 11th, 2009, 4:49 pm #1

I've been reading lately how global warming and other forces have been speeding up the disappearance of animal species.

Cryonics institutes could partner with other concerned scientists and begin preserving species endangered or at risk to save them for future revival...

Who could argue with that?
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Joined: November 30th, 2005, 4:41 am

February 11th, 2009, 11:23 pm #2

This has been discussed, and there was even a spin-off attempt for cell storage with a company called Cells4Life which failed due to a lack of funding. In principle, I think it is a noble concept, but the problem is dividing our interests away from cryonics. We have enough of an uphill challenge trying to deal with the various issues associated with cryonics and allowing ourselves to get distracted from our core mission can have a negative impact. As I'm sure you and others here can appreciate, what we need to do is focus on our weak points and put cryonics on a proper medical pathway. You might want to check out the following article, Ten extinct beasts that could walk the Earth again: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... ?full=true. Also, see The Frozen Ark: http://www.frozenark.org/index.html
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Joined: August 25th, 2005, 8:19 pm

February 13th, 2009, 1:55 pm #3

I like the idea. Maybe we need to diversify. I am not familiar with the failure of the Cells4Life company. Where were they located? I agree with Mathew that it is a noble concept. However, I disagree with Mathew that we would be dividing our interests away from cryonics. I think it would be a good PR move to mingle with other fields closely related to preserving life.

Just my two cents.
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Joined: November 30th, 2005, 4:41 am

February 13th, 2009, 10:56 pm #4

I see The Frozen Ark is currently asking for $12,000,000. In my view, it would be better to donate money in the name of your favorite cryonics organization. If the amount is large enough it might be possible to work towards some form of affiliation. May I ask how much you are willing to donate? If my guesswork is right, I'm thinking cryonicists have put in about $200k of their own money into the subject which is long gone now. So if you are willing to put up some serious cash people will pay attention, but you may find it difficult to get others to spend their money at this point.
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Joined: August 25th, 2005, 8:19 pm

February 14th, 2009, 1:41 am #5

I am lucky to pay my mortgage at this point.
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Joined: September 22nd, 2008, 5:01 pm

February 14th, 2009, 7:27 pm #6

Excellent suggestion! Preservation of endangered species due to longterm storage of DNA at the facility of a cryonics-provider will be great PR. Ten DNA samples should fit into a little capsule the size of a thumb. Drop it into the dewar from KrioRus, and they will get best PR for a minimum of costs. They don't have many patients under suspension, so I guess they have free resources available.

You can even put a piece of a cheek swab sample with DNA of mine into that little capsule to store it together with other samples from the loggerhead turtle, komodo dragon, greater horseshoe bat, and other endangered animals, see http://www.ypte.org.uk/environmental/en ... e-world/24 for info. That would be good for the animals and also for me, because I'm always trying to keep a DNA sample of mine from getting degraded. Cryonics for such a small container would barely cost more than a thousand US Dollars for 100 years of storage. Well, I would be able to pay 500 Dollars for this. If the other 500 Dollars can be donated by an organization who is funding gene banks for wild life preservation, then the costs are balanced.
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Joined: November 30th, 2005, 4:41 am

February 16th, 2009, 11:46 pm #7

A cheap PR stunt could result in the opposite reaction; especially, where claims are being made and the work has not been validated. If you want to ensure you have viable cells, they need to be cultured and stored in N2 rather than LN2. Then a portion of the cultured cells should to be warmed at an independent lab to validate the process.

In my view, it is better to preserve cells from endangered species because it is a moral/ethical thing to do rather than try to attract additional media attention.
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Joined: October 6th, 2004, 6:46 pm

February 17th, 2009, 6:02 pm #8

doing something different than what cryonics is doing now is a better way of storing viable cells for possible revival in the future?

Sorry, I'm not a scientist.
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Joined: November 30th, 2005, 4:41 am

February 17th, 2009, 10:32 pm #9

The mission of cryonics is the preservation of individual lives and the current protocol used is not equal to that of cell storage which allows for re-implantation. Cells are much easier to cryo and de-cryoprotect than whole organs. This will change in time with improved vitrification solutions and use of intermediate temperature storage (ITS) that will allow for warmer temperatures as a method of storage. With these improvements we would be looking at the prospect of cryo-banking of whole organs.

If you were to couple the notion of cryo-banking with organ printing you may find yourself in your doctor's office one day to give a cell sample. Your cells would be cultured and used to grow various organs that would be frozen or vitrified for emergency use. So, if you found yourself in a car accident and needed to have one or more organs replaced, you could do so without fear of rejecting the organ(s) since the cells came from your own body.

Cryogenic Organ Banking Getting Closer; Implications Profound for Transplant Patients.
http://www.allbusiness.com/medicine-hea ... 838-1.html

Frozen ovaries may help cancer babies
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.htm ... page_id=34

Research team makes progress toward 'printing' organs
http://www.physorg.com/news113568706.html

'Organ Printing' Could Drastically Change Medicine
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story? ... 783&page=1


Here are a few video links:

Regeneration of cells - CBS Cutting Edge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxhi4Q8EDTU

Bioprinting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtVvbzgW ... emb=0&aq=f

Breakthough: Scientist Grow New Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5r-T6AN ... re=related

This last one is for entertainment purposes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhAwNgYG ... oq=5th+ele
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