Interesting discussion on OOR PAMs...

Interesting discussion on OOR PAMs...

Joined: October 10th, 2003, 11:44 pm

February 23rd, 2006, 3:37 am #1

...over at paneristi.com.

For the uninitiated, OOR Panerais are watches that are reissued for some purpose or another. OOR means "out of range" which is they are produced out of the regular production numbers.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/m ... OR+sighted
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/m ... 3B%26gt%3B

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Jose
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Joined: April 18th, 2003, 3:04 pm

February 23rd, 2006, 3:46 am #2

you should have posted your report on the OOR here & made all the paneristi migrate to this site

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Joined: October 10th, 2003, 11:44 pm

February 23rd, 2006, 4:03 am #3

This is called targeting your audience

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Jose
Last edited by josetan on February 23rd, 2006, 2:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Joined: November 27th, 2005, 8:15 pm

February 23rd, 2006, 4:10 am #4

...over at paneristi.com.

For the uninitiated, OOR Panerais are watches that are reissued for some purpose or another. OOR means "out of range" which is they are produced out of the regular production numbers.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/m ... OR+sighted
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/m ... 3B%26gt%3B

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Jose
...as was mentioned over there, why not go back and take a couple of pictures to hammer home your story?!! I, for one, would love to see what these things look like and even more important, I would pay GOLD to see what their serial numbers are!!! 1950-A, 1950-B, 1950-C.......

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Joined: October 10th, 2003, 11:44 pm

February 23rd, 2006, 4:17 am #5

...so no way I'm going back there just to snap a pic.

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Jose
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Joined: May 11th, 2005, 7:38 am

February 23rd, 2006, 10:01 am #6

...over at paneristi.com.

For the uninitiated, OOR Panerais are watches that are reissued for some purpose or another. OOR means "out of range" which is they are produced out of the regular production numbers.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/m ... OR+sighted
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/m ... 3B%26gt%3B

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Jose
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Joined: October 27th, 2004, 1:12 pm

February 23rd, 2006, 10:30 am #7

...over at paneristi.com.

For the uninitiated, OOR Panerais are watches that are reissued for some purpose or another. OOR means "out of range" which is they are produced out of the regular production numbers.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/m ... OR+sighted
http://www.network54.com/Forum/353391/m ... 3B%26gt%3B

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Jose
...I believe OORs are not necessarily produced after a commercial run. Many OORs were pre production models, watches used for quality testing, consumer review (?). Some are also believed to have been given out to staff (perhaps to "test" in a live environment) or as recognition of their participation in developments...or just a plain old nice jesture.

Would we really expect Panerai to crush pre production models to ensure they never surface?

Now early OORs I've seen (on the net) have no serial number markings at all and no boxes or papers. Some have no marks at all on the back. All from reasonably credible sources and some with excellent provenance - including authentication paperwork.

These new 127s, if genuine, seem to have addresed some of the issues relating to provenance of the older OORs by issueing them with the OOR serial number and boxes/papers.

It's a tricky one but overall a handful of "blank" watches won't impact value (although it may hurt reputation).

Cheers

Gray

BTW there's too many threads and too much comment to wade through on paneristi, it's nice to pop in here for a more focussed chat!...and forget marketing, paneristi wouldn't alow a link to a commercial site.
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Joined: October 10th, 2003, 11:44 pm

February 23rd, 2006, 1:03 pm #8

...that had no edition number whatever on the caseback.
Shadows were supposed to be for staff or for exhibitions such as SIHH and not for retail. How they found their way to retailers ia another story though for some other day.

OOR watches are numbered OORX/XX as in the case of OOR PAM2 and PAM61 (and the China market 127 163 too). Guess no one really complained about these models as they were not "special editions", in fact collectors rejoiced when they saw these as it was a rare chance to own one with a solid caseback in the case of the above models as they sported only display backs in their later guise.

Hope this helps

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Jose
Last edited by josetan on February 23rd, 2006, 2:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Joined: October 27th, 2004, 1:12 pm

February 23rd, 2006, 1:18 pm #9

... thanks for the info. Some of the shadow watches I've seen have been described as OOR.

Personally a shadow watch has more appeal than OOR, probably because it was never meant for sale.


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Gray
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Joined: July 3rd, 2004, 6:04 am

February 23rd, 2006, 8:08 pm #10

...that had no edition number whatever on the caseback.
Shadows were supposed to be for staff or for exhibitions such as SIHH and not for retail. How they found their way to retailers ia another story though for some other day.

OOR watches are numbered OORX/XX as in the case of OOR PAM2 and PAM61 (and the China market 127 163 too). Guess no one really complained about these models as they were not "special editions", in fact collectors rejoiced when they saw these as it was a rare chance to own one with a solid caseback in the case of the above models as they sported only display backs in their later guise.

Hope this helps

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Jose
I will not be surprised if the Fiddys and 163s Chaz saw were at one time shadows, now back in circulation as OORs.

Really appreciate your scoop. Good onya!

Cheers,

~Asi~







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