Controversial Question for the Forum....

Controversial Question for the Forum....

Joined: November 15th, 2006, 5:00 am

July 4th, 2007, 4:19 am #1


I realise that this is the BWF but I wanted the views of big watch fans. Its been some years now since the arrival of the big watches heralded by none other than Panerai. Watches since then had slowly but surely increased in size as well as height and weight. I think the largest being the 55mm pilots.

I am curious if the fans here are now seeing a trend - either personally for themselves or generally as a whole in the watch world that the timepieces of note are now returning back towards around 40mm (i.e. between 39-42mm). I am sure that the big watches will be around for a very long time and many are worthy collectors pieces - my favourite being the IWC Big Pilot. But many collectors have a predominant number of pieces of 44mm and over. I suspect that there will be a trend towards smaller pieces being collected in the near future in most collections.

I certainly would love to hear from collectors here about their views of my points here. Thanks for reading!

Cheers!


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July 4th, 2007, 5:34 am #2

The selling point for a 39-42mm watch is by far greater with the general public, than a 50mm, Younger generation Girls seem to enjoy the Larger COLORED dialed pieces, as a Fashion accessory, and also some celebs types too, I think a real WIS obviously has his or her favorites, and a certain size parameter that suits them best, so as to a trend in Big reverting back to smaller watches, is purely what sells most, a company will sell more to the public market at 40mm than at 50mm, naturally different in the WIS community or at least here anyway lol.

Next time your in a Supermarket checkout the watches the average shopper wears and you will be hard pushed to find on Aviator 50+mm or even a 1000m diver, and probably not even a Rolex/Panerai will be seen in that general crowd,Most would have a smaller watch of substantially lesser value than any watch we see daily here, or on any other forum except the AWF, the average punter out there has no idea what watches we like (Names & Brands)and the price would slay them, WTF $3,000 for a Friggin watch are you mental LMAO would be a common response from Mr & mrs average Non WIS types, fact a pricey watch would be approx 250-450,sized @ 39-42mm and a cheap one wouuld be the 3:00AM Aisle cruise at Wal Mart.

Shane.

Easy to imitate, not so easy to innovate, Bast*rd of the strap World..
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July 4th, 2007, 8:45 am #3

I realise that this is the BWF but I wanted the views of big watch fans. Its been some years now since the arrival of the big watches heralded by none other than Panerai. Watches since then had slowly but surely increased in size as well as height and weight. I think the largest being the 55mm pilots.

I am curious if the fans here are now seeing a trend - either personally for themselves or generally as a whole in the watch world that the timepieces of note are now returning back towards around 40mm (i.e. between 39-42mm). I am sure that the big watches will be around for a very long time and many are worthy collectors pieces - my favourite being the IWC Big Pilot. But many collectors have a predominant number of pieces of 44mm and over. I suspect that there will be a trend towards smaller pieces being collected in the near future in most collections.

I certainly would love to hear from collectors here about their views of my points here. Thanks for reading!

Cheers!


HarryTan
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http://htfotos.com - Photography: The Art of capturing moments in time
I guess I've been a more serious WIS for about 7 or 8 years and in that time I have travelled a much travelled path of tastes and styles...started smallish (under 40mm) but they just weren't right...always attracted to the then biggish watches of Omega, Rolex, Breitling...moved through chronos, pilots, divers, vintage military...and of course now include Panerai in my no less than 42mm small collection. I moved from a "collector" to a wearer and hoarder after some 150 plus watches passed through my hands.

Fashions will change and big, shiny, black, coloured watches are available at all price points - all with the theme of being big . But fashion is fashion and WISdom is, well, different. There is no doubt that high end watch manufacturers, like all luxury goods makers, follow trends closely. I am amazed at how many "new owners" appear on the specialist watch boards with no history of WISdom but the money and motivation to jump right in with thousands spent on a "big" named watch. I am sure this is out of fashion, or perhaps status, in many cases and has nothing to do with WISdom - but we all know the slippery slope they have now embarked upon!

The price of some of my cheapest watch stuns non WISes with it's extravegance. For these poor lost non WIS souls the price of the high end beggars belief, however they are attracted to the size and look.

Back to the question, giant watches just aren't practical and for longevity (of style) that's what's going to ultimately count. Rolex, Omega et al lasted because their size was right - then and now. I believe we'll see a settling in of average sizes around the 39 - 42mm mark. These are still large watches and, importantly, practical for not banging into things; handy for including lots of complications (which will also be important but for another thread); legible to the 40 plus (who have the money but perhaps not the eyesight!); and suitable/stylish on a large wrist - and on average all our wrists are expanding, along with everything else.

Personally, I'll be stuck with my larger watches - coz I like em.

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July 4th, 2007, 1:36 pm #4

I realise that this is the BWF but I wanted the views of big watch fans. Its been some years now since the arrival of the big watches heralded by none other than Panerai. Watches since then had slowly but surely increased in size as well as height and weight. I think the largest being the 55mm pilots.

I am curious if the fans here are now seeing a trend - either personally for themselves or generally as a whole in the watch world that the timepieces of note are now returning back towards around 40mm (i.e. between 39-42mm). I am sure that the big watches will be around for a very long time and many are worthy collectors pieces - my favourite being the IWC Big Pilot. But many collectors have a predominant number of pieces of 44mm and over. I suspect that there will be a trend towards smaller pieces being collected in the near future in most collections.

I certainly would love to hear from collectors here about their views of my points here. Thanks for reading!

Cheers!


HarryTan
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http://htfotos.com - Photography: The Art of capturing moments in time
So that's why I, or we [WIS], have many watches for any occasions. I prefer 44mm as daily or sporty jewllery and my smaller watches as my dress up jewllery

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July 4th, 2007, 7:42 pm #5

I realise that this is the BWF but I wanted the views of big watch fans. Its been some years now since the arrival of the big watches heralded by none other than Panerai. Watches since then had slowly but surely increased in size as well as height and weight. I think the largest being the 55mm pilots.

I am curious if the fans here are now seeing a trend - either personally for themselves or generally as a whole in the watch world that the timepieces of note are now returning back towards around 40mm (i.e. between 39-42mm). I am sure that the big watches will be around for a very long time and many are worthy collectors pieces - my favourite being the IWC Big Pilot. But many collectors have a predominant number of pieces of 44mm and over. I suspect that there will be a trend towards smaller pieces being collected in the near future in most collections.

I certainly would love to hear from collectors here about their views of my points here. Thanks for reading!

Cheers!


HarryTan
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http://watchinghorology.com - Horology: The Engineering that tracks the passage of time
http://htfotos.com - Photography: The Art of capturing moments in time
pondered quite a bit since I bought my first Panerai in around 2002 at 44mm. Around that time many were talking about the case sizes as a joke that would bomb badly - well look at Panerai now -44 and 47mm's are still selling like hot cakes and due to relatively limited availability people are selling second hand pieces at close to retail and more in some cases! Some fad eh!

Up to that point I had been wearing a datejust of around 37mm and prior to that a TAG also about 37mm. The TAG was a daily wearer for about 10 years solid, well before I became infected with the WIS virus and lost the plot Since then I bought/sold 8 Panerai and every so often gone back to Rolex (SD and GMT) thinking 40mm is about right, after all who knows better than Rolex eh? Wrong - after just a few weeks I look at that (relatively) puny 40mm case and I'm back looking for some heft and a decent dial size.

When Panerai started to make 47mm the norm due to heavy demand I was initially thinking it was a step too far and that these watches will end up unsaleable when the trend goes back to smaller watches - well again it hasn't happened and you have more and more brands bringing out 42/44/46+ watches and even rolex have started (albeit slightly) upping the case size of the new models. You have fashion magazines like GQ and the like still with articles preaching to the generally non WIS public only this month about the trend for the large watch and talking about brands like Panerai as the next best thing!

Given the recent past I would be VERY suprised to see any major shift into smaller cased watches, certainly in the next decade. Even my wife thinks Rolex are now too small! I suspect Shane's right that 9 out of 10 watches bought by Joe public will continue to be around the 40mm mark, but I dont see the manufacturers deserting larger cased watches any time soon.



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July 4th, 2007, 11:01 pm #6

I realise that this is the BWF but I wanted the views of big watch fans. Its been some years now since the arrival of the big watches heralded by none other than Panerai. Watches since then had slowly but surely increased in size as well as height and weight. I think the largest being the 55mm pilots.

I am curious if the fans here are now seeing a trend - either personally for themselves or generally as a whole in the watch world that the timepieces of note are now returning back towards around 40mm (i.e. between 39-42mm). I am sure that the big watches will be around for a very long time and many are worthy collectors pieces - my favourite being the IWC Big Pilot. But many collectors have a predominant number of pieces of 44mm and over. I suspect that there will be a trend towards smaller pieces being collected in the near future in most collections.

I certainly would love to hear from collectors here about their views of my points here. Thanks for reading!

Cheers!


HarryTan
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http://watchinghorology.com - Horology: The Engineering that tracks the passage of time
http://htfotos.com - Photography: The Art of capturing moments in time
I agree with everythng Shane says , for me I am so used to big watches since buying my 1st one, a Glycine 46mm Incusure about 5 years ago, that 40mm seems small. Plus, being used to simple dials on these big watches, Pannies and hommages, that dial complications seem intrusive to me. My 50 yr old eyes have trouble making out dial details without wearing #200 readers too.

it's true, the mass market is much slower to catch on to big watches than WIS's are, but I think its still possible.

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July 5th, 2007, 2:54 am #7

I realise that this is the BWF but I wanted the views of big watch fans. Its been some years now since the arrival of the big watches heralded by none other than Panerai. Watches since then had slowly but surely increased in size as well as height and weight. I think the largest being the 55mm pilots.

I am curious if the fans here are now seeing a trend - either personally for themselves or generally as a whole in the watch world that the timepieces of note are now returning back towards around 40mm (i.e. between 39-42mm). I am sure that the big watches will be around for a very long time and many are worthy collectors pieces - my favourite being the IWC Big Pilot. But many collectors have a predominant number of pieces of 44mm and over. I suspect that there will be a trend towards smaller pieces being collected in the near future in most collections.

I certainly would love to hear from collectors here about their views of my points here. Thanks for reading!

Cheers!


HarryTan
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http://watchinghorology.com - Horology: The Engineering that tracks the passage of time
http://htfotos.com - Photography: The Art of capturing moments in time
much of what's current is a fad, and we know that what goes around comes around. While we all enjoy large cased pieces, here's my recent stuff:
Doxa 1000T on order, 42 mm
Sea Dweller, 40 mm
Omega Speedmaster MK 3, 40.5 mm
I still have the panerais and germanos and ennebis but the trend is toward smaller, at least for me.
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July 5th, 2007, 12:14 pm #8

I realise that this is the BWF but I wanted the views of big watch fans. Its been some years now since the arrival of the big watches heralded by none other than Panerai. Watches since then had slowly but surely increased in size as well as height and weight. I think the largest being the 55mm pilots.

I am curious if the fans here are now seeing a trend - either personally for themselves or generally as a whole in the watch world that the timepieces of note are now returning back towards around 40mm (i.e. between 39-42mm). I am sure that the big watches will be around for a very long time and many are worthy collectors pieces - my favourite being the IWC Big Pilot. But many collectors have a predominant number of pieces of 44mm and over. I suspect that there will be a trend towards smaller pieces being collected in the near future in most collections.

I certainly would love to hear from collectors here about their views of my points here. Thanks for reading!

Cheers!


HarryTan
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http://watchinghorology.com - Horology: The Engineering that tracks the passage of time
http://htfotos.com - Photography: The Art of capturing moments in time
I've gone bigger...

My Panerais have creeped up from 44 to 47, a U-Boat Flightdeck CAB 50 (duh, 50mm), even some 54-60 mm (only left hand crowns are comfortable to me after 48 mm or so).

I think the big watches will stay around as they always have seemed to... while the 38's may regain some popularity, I personally don't see the pendulum swinging back and removing support from the 33-47's.
1. lots of folks are invested in theirs (emotionally and financially)
2. big wrists demand big watches (OEM bands fit me on their last hole...)
3. they provide a bigger pallet for the "designer" brands to work with... and we have seen feature creep in so many areas of technology

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July 6th, 2007, 3:34 am #9

I realise that this is the BWF but I wanted the views of big watch fans. Its been some years now since the arrival of the big watches heralded by none other than Panerai. Watches since then had slowly but surely increased in size as well as height and weight. I think the largest being the 55mm pilots.

I am curious if the fans here are now seeing a trend - either personally for themselves or generally as a whole in the watch world that the timepieces of note are now returning back towards around 40mm (i.e. between 39-42mm). I am sure that the big watches will be around for a very long time and many are worthy collectors pieces - my favourite being the IWC Big Pilot. But many collectors have a predominant number of pieces of 44mm and over. I suspect that there will be a trend towards smaller pieces being collected in the near future in most collections.

I certainly would love to hear from collectors here about their views of my points here. Thanks for reading!

Cheers!


HarryTan
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....many brands are increasing the size of some of their most traditional models.

Rolex comes to mind with their new 2007 line-up.





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July 6th, 2007, 4:53 am #10

I realise that this is the BWF but I wanted the views of big watch fans. Its been some years now since the arrival of the big watches heralded by none other than Panerai. Watches since then had slowly but surely increased in size as well as height and weight. I think the largest being the 55mm pilots.

I am curious if the fans here are now seeing a trend - either personally for themselves or generally as a whole in the watch world that the timepieces of note are now returning back towards around 40mm (i.e. between 39-42mm). I am sure that the big watches will be around for a very long time and many are worthy collectors pieces - my favourite being the IWC Big Pilot. But many collectors have a predominant number of pieces of 44mm and over. I suspect that there will be a trend towards smaller pieces being collected in the near future in most collections.

I certainly would love to hear from collectors here about their views of my points here. Thanks for reading!

Cheers!


HarryTan
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http://watchinghorology.com - Horology: The Engineering that tracks the passage of time
http://htfotos.com - Photography: The Art of capturing moments in time
People are getting larger. You are from asia I believe and most Asians are on average smaller than Americans and Europeans... 36mm watches looks simply too small on a 6 foot body frame. Big watches maybe started as a trend, but in reality they are simply following increase of a wrist size. 36 mm Rolex looked fine 50-60 years ago... So to simply put it what maybe started as a Panerai trend is not really a trend anymore. Bit watches are here to stay. In a future there might be a trend in smaller watches, but not anytime soon. Things like that take 10-20 years at least. But personally I don't smaller watches to come back again ever.
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