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How to deal with High Elves' +2 Ward Save

WolfyDragon7
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July 24th, 2013, 8:45 pm #1

Hi,
Whenever i play my opponent he brings a dragon banner of the world.
Any strategies on defeating a unit with this?
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July 24th, 2013, 9:06 pm #2

What unit does he bring it on? Because it can drastically change how you should deal with the banner.
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July 24th, 2013, 10:03 pm #3

Why is right this is like saying how do you deal with the trickers shard without saying who is carrying it. We need to know what unit he usually takes it.
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July 25th, 2013, 6:56 am #4

It doesn't really matter what unit. With a 2+ save vs most of our shooting and magic we don't have a lot of options.

Thin it out by shooting at it with gutter runners.
Cast dreaded 13 th on it. You don't do wounds so they don't get a ward save.
Beat it in combat.

Or if none of those are viable options, redirect it with rat darts, tarpit it with slaves and destroy the rest of his army instead.
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July 25th, 2013, 8:27 am #5

Yeah because those options don't really do anything to cav my HE list is all cav / chariots a 2+ n 2+ ward is hard to get through.

Re directing the unit out of the game is probably the best but I doubt a good playing will let you.
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July 25th, 2013, 9:02 am #6

I didn't say they were all good options. But they are the best we have. All our good anti-cav stuff doesn't work if they have the banner.
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July 25th, 2013, 9:14 am #7

The only thing that works "well" against the Dragon Prince + banner is triple wither
not easy to pull off though ...
Otherwise, rat darts and slaves is indeed the way to go. Especially if you manage to slam a second slave / clanrats unit on their flank, that'll keep em pinned down for the whole game
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July 26th, 2013, 11:33 am #8

Sorry,
The units he usually brings the banner on is the white lions or a group of calvary

Thanks for the help
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July 26th, 2013, 6:37 pm #9

Slave Tarpit + Wither + HPA flank charger. Use the terror to potentially break them on the spot and if not as long as you don't take warpstone spikes then all the HPA's attacks are normal melee attacks so the banner is useless.

Another option is the Plague Furnace with a unit of Plague Censer Bearers to flank charge... Save or die doesn't permit a ward save.

As mentioned above, the Dreaded 13th also does not permit ward saves.

Keep in mind, if you see someone using a BotWD death star just counter with double HPAs... cheese vs. cheese.


All of these options will not permit optimal use of the BotWD and easily shut it down. No matter what a nice fat block of slaves will take the entire game for a unit of HE's to chew through.
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July 26th, 2013, 8:45 pm #10

Nice idea but I'm pretty sure all the censer based toughness tests are T test or take 1 wound. And all those beautiful S5 re-rolling attacks the PCB bring are magical :(

I hate tarpitting with slaves and flanking with the HPA. Usually so many slaves die that even with the HPA I lose combat. A nice big block of monks with the plague banner should make a fair mess of them though, as far as I can tell Elves of all sorts were created by clan moulder to make plague monks look good.
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