Golden Sun Rebalanced

HyrulianJedi
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November 16th, 2016, 10:16 pm #1

So several years back, Erik the Appreciator set about tweaking the games to balance them better - or, rather, to make them more challenging. While he's not been present here for a while, his hacks are still publicly available.

So, I thought, why not do a group playthrough?

Golden Sun
The Lost Age

Details of the hacks can be found in the topics, though the TLA one is a lot more detailed. Overall, however, they act to make the games' battles more challenging. Unused items have been added back into the games in various places, as well, doubling as a minor restoration hack.
[+] Instructions for setup
1) Download Visual Boy Advance - M here.
2) Acquire a ROM of each game, or PM me for instructions on how to make your own.
3) Download the patches from the above links.
4) Make sure the ROM and the patch (for each game) are in the same folder and have the same name.
5) Open VBA-M.
6) Open the game of choice.
7) Play!
For those who have flash carts or other emulators, feel free to use them, of course.

At the moment, I'd like to gauge interest in this, so we can sort out a timeframe for us all to start, that way we play through the game more or less together. Upon finishing GS, we would pause to get everyone together again, then move onto TLA.

We've all played through the games before (except for shitlords like Arty and Slime), but this gives us an opportunity to experience them in a different manner. I know I've gotten tired of cutting out segments of the game to increase the challenge, so I'm hopeful this will actually make the run much more interesting.

So far myself, Satty, Chrono, Miral, and Asphodel have all expressed interest in doing it. And, of course, joining doesn't obligate you to finish - but if you take too long, we'd probably just move on to TLA without you. Who else might be interested?

Current List of Interested Participants:
  • HJ
  • Satty
  • Chrono
  • Miral
  • Asphodel
  • Ulta
  • KitN
  • Adnarel
  • Whimz
  • Gnarly
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UltaFlame
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November 16th, 2016, 11:53 pm #2

Hey hey don't forget me, I'm so in
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November 17th, 2016, 12:10 am #3

Hm, I'm kinda interested. Been so long since I replayed any of the GS games. This might be a nice way to do it.

Also, a tip for people using emulators, check out VBA-M. VBA haven't had any support for many years, while VBA-M is a continued project so it runs better.

http://vba-m.com/

http://vba-m.com/about.html
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Adnarel
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November 17th, 2016, 12:20 am #4

I am interested.
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HyrulianJedi
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November 17th, 2016, 12:26 am #5

Oh, sorry Ulta, I just grabbed the names of people I saw commenting about it in the chat. I might've missed yours.

VBA-M is a good catch, as I've been out of the emulation game for years. I assume it still carries over the same "soft patch" capacity that VBA had?
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whimzzzie
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November 17th, 2016, 12:31 am #6

UM YES
fuck with me
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November 17th, 2016, 12:34 am #7

HyrulianJedi wrote:Oh, sorry Ulta, I just grabbed the names of people I saw commenting about it in the chat. I might've missed yours.

VBA-M is a good catch, as I've been out of the emulation game for years. I assume it still carries over the same "soft patch" capacity that VBA had?
Should have everything VBA had so if that worked on the original it should work now. I've never soft patched myself, when I had to patch the .ips files I use http://www.romhacking.net/utilities/240/ , simple tool for patching .ips files onto roms. Two clicks and the rom should be patched. I've used it on snes roms before, just tried it on GS1, says it worked. It doesn't seem the author of the patch have put a signature at the start of the rom though so impossible to see if it truly worked 100% until I get to the actual battles and can tell a difference.

Also, don't forget to turn on Enhance Sound and Sorround in Audio Core Settings, the music in GS deserves highest quality. :werebarret:

The very first Vermin you encounter did just attack and the defend right after, which should confirm "almost every enemy in the game takes two actions per turn"?

Uh yeah the two Wild Mushrooms can recover their own HP via their attacks and almost killed me. I think the patching utility worked just fine.
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Gnarlymaple
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November 17th, 2016, 12:45 am #8

Sounds fun, I had actually been going through a playthrough of TLA a while ago that I never ended up finishing.

Yeah, sign me up!
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HyrulianJedi
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November 17th, 2016, 1:08 am #9

King in the North wrote:Uh yeah the two Wild Mushrooms can recover their own HP via their attacks and almost killed me.
holy shit

OP updated with VBA-M and current list of interested people.

I was thinking of giving it a few days to garner interest, and maybe starting this weekend? That gives people the ability to use it as a distraction from their families over Thanksgiving. :awe:
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Admiral Miral
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November 17th, 2016, 2:04 am #10

HyrulianJedi wrote: maybe starting this weekend?
Starting on Sun/Moon release weekend? lol
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November 17th, 2016, 4:30 am #11

Ooooooh.

I feel like I shouldn't commit to this given my life right now but if any of y'all are going to post about the process, I'd be happy to follow along.
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November 17th, 2016, 6:52 am #12

Wait, how is this going to work? We all do a hacked playthrough and keep a log or something or what?
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DJ Octavio
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November 17th, 2016, 8:23 am #13

This looks interesting... I may have to try

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[TheEvilOne]Kay. Plan B.
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HyrulianJedi
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November 17th, 2016, 8:14 pm #14

Nah, the idea was just to have a common starting point for people to play from, to foster more of a sense of community from it. No need to keep a log, we can just post about it normally here. Judging from KitN's test, there'll be some entertaining and surprising moments to share.

And there's no obligation to finish, or even start at the same time. So anyone is free to partake as much or as little as they'd like.
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HyrulianJedi
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November 18th, 2016, 6:43 pm #15

So I know Sun/Moon just came out, and people will be playing that, but I don't see much reason to wait on starting this (and letting people lose interest again). And, again, play at whatever rate you want! This topic was more just to collect interest and try to get people playing it to facilitate discussion.

I think I'll say we kick this off tomorrow, unless there's a lot of opposition.
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Admiral Miral
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November 18th, 2016, 7:22 pm #16

I won't be starting it anytime soon because of Pokemon, but go for it.
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leaf
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November 18th, 2016, 8:57 pm #17

Sounds fun. Is it fine if we start today? I'll probably forget about it otherwise lol

edit: I just started, figured I can at least get the prologue out of the way. I forgot how awesome the music was when the monsters start appearing. Dat bass, yo.
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(On Seccy)
[2/15/2016 12:07:56 AM] Formal Ninety-two: He's unpredictable, erratic, and his decisions don't seem to be based on any logic that I can understand

(10/14/2016 6:39 PM) WhereWishesCome: the last time I talked to a girl was when I accidentally opened Siri
Peytral wrote:Lolis take priority over principles.
[+] Other quote stuff
[1:03:59 AM] hellfiresoul: If you don't transition from the serious, everything will get heavy and downer, even if the discussion is helpful
[1:04:17 AM] hellfiresoul: It's like a Disney movie
[1:04:37 AM] hellfiresoul: Without the candles dancing and singing, all the story is is a werewolf man abusing a woman he kidnapped

[1:10:46 AM] Raseren: I'm sure if it wasn't you Hoofs something would move you back and forth
[1:11:09 AM] hellfiresoul: I'm the teapot, short and stout
[1:11:25 AM] hellfiresoul: wait
[1:11:29 AM] hellfiresoul: The teapot was a woman
[1:11:31 AM] hellfiresoul: damnit

[January 02, 2014 10:55 AM] Hell: I for one save every piece I encounter because I know that porn is a scarce and valuable resource on the internet

[7:30:26 PM] Sadique: I think at this rate I may need to resume my plans to kill Slime. :U
[7:31:04 PM] Slimegunk: ...resume?

[8:50:26 PM] Boydgamesh: I'm sorry I haven't insulted many wrong opinions the past two days since I was doing other things
[8:50:29 PM] Boydgamesh: I'm making up for it now

[9:01:59 PM] Amydorka Lynname the Bad Idea Cont(r)act Being: It's the internet, and it's a game.
[9:02:06 PM] Amydorka Lynname the Bad Idea Cont(r)act Being: Of course it's super competitive.

[6:00:04 PM] Ras: necare check your priveledge
[6:00:18 PM] Necare: raw check your spelling
[6:00:22 PM] Necare: ?WOW
[6:00:24 PM] Necare: [radio edit]ING
[6:00:27 PM] Necare: WOW

[10:32:44 PM] Schrodinger's Leaf: so like... what, do you beat it when you're still half asleep or something and barely know what you're doing at the time?
[10:32:46 PM] HJ: absolutely

[2:58:15 AM] The Law: he ran away a couple of times but he always came back :((
[2:58:22 AM] The Law: im worried
[2:58:28 AM] The Law: maybe he got run over
[2:59:00 AM] Schrodinger's Leaf: inb4 he comes back for christmas
[2:59:21 AM] Necare: it's a [radio edit]ing Christmas miracle
[2:59:37 AM] The Law: that's my request to santa
[2:59:44 AM] The Law: pls bring amiti back

[2:44:46 AM] Schrodinger's Leaf: do you ever have moments where you just want to procrastinate by doing something, but you don't know what to procrastinate with because everything seems like it would take up more time than you have?
[2:46:03 AM] Brian Ross: That is my always.
[2:46:05 AM] Necare: You just described the core of my being
[2:50:16 AM] Brian Ross: We should start a club.
[2:50:20 AM] Brian Ross: Like, tomorrow or something.

[12:43:21 AM] Schrodinger's Leaf: when you start looking at mook pilot stats, you realize just how hypercompetent your team actually is
[12:44:19 AM] Peytral: what's the point of highly-trained soldiers if they can't get effortlessly beaten by high schoolers

[2:58:03 AM] HFS: 24 is as much as six fours and that's AWFUL because 4 is death and that's why nobody in anime is 24

[10:34:12 PM] Aaron: turning character into Va?scent
[10:34:19 PM] Raseren: NO
[10:34:20 PM] Raseren: GOD
[10:34:21 PM] Raseren: NO

Crash May 22 2015, 08:15 PM
Cyber bots ain't even close to danmaku, it was WarTech
Crash May 22 2015, 08:15 PM
It was from a top down perspective, like a shoot me up
Jackal May 23 2015, 01:57 PM
"like a shoot me up"
Artemis May 23 2015, 02:06 PM
8)

[7:44:26 PM] HFS: well in the world of Madoka
[7:44:31 PM] HFS: it's survival of the flattest

[8:04:45 PM] HFS: blame anime
[8:04:59 PM] HFS: the camera adds ten pounds, the pencil shaves them off
[8:05:40 PM] Slimegunk: that would be the eraser actually
[8:05:59 PM] HFS: it's a metaphor you twonk[/i]
Peytral wrote:Symphogear was a mistake.
[+] Has anime gone too far?
Crash: the answer is "Yes."
leaf: wow crash. and here I thought NORMAL body pillows were bad
Skylin: What in the... yeah, my thoughts also, Leaf
Shads: whats with the hooves
Peytral: am I the only one not surprised at all
Artemis: hot
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November 18th, 2016, 9:04 pm #18

I'll try some here too. Lets see if I actually survive Sol Sanctum. I'm already scared for the first Saturos battle.

oh and kraken...god damn that shits gonna sting like it did on the very first playthrough

And yes, with the VBA-M sound enhancements the music is just top notch quality.
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leaf
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November 18th, 2016, 9:58 pm #19

[+] Sol sanctum
First battle in sol sanctum: I lose about half health on each party member to a pair of slimes. They hurt.

Second battle in sol sanctum: Isaac died LOL. Guess I shouldn't have been so stingy with my heals. Reload save from after previous battle.

Second battle, redux: Three enemies, with a slime on the right. It only took one on-range and one off-range flame to kill the slimes before, but apparently it takes two off-range flames + *three* normal attacks to kill it. Maybe bad rng, idk, I was still lv1. Slime is final boss, confirmed.

Third battle: Oil drop, GET! At least I get a free one-shot on the next three-man.

I'm not gonna bother logging more battles, since they get a lot easier once you start getting some levels. Early levels matter so much in RPGs, it's kinda crazy. Just the raw def and hp make it so I don't have to heal as often. I will say that the PP regen rate seems higher than I remember, and I'm not having any problems with running out of PP yet. Might be my imagination, might have been tweaked to be higher in the hack. Dunno.

I have reached glorious inner sanctum. THE ELEMENTAL STARS. Such an amazing song.
I'll probably write another update after the thieves.
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(7/2/2018 9:46 PM) Asphodel: I have an excruciatingly painful cut in my mouth and it is so painful to smile, but it is worth it when I think about my worst acquaintances plummeting into hell

(On Seccy)
[2/15/2016 12:07:56 AM] Formal Ninety-two: He's unpredictable, erratic, and his decisions don't seem to be based on any logic that I can understand

(10/14/2016 6:39 PM) WhereWishesCome: the last time I talked to a girl was when I accidentally opened Siri
Peytral wrote:Lolis take priority over principles.
[+] Other quote stuff
[1:03:59 AM] hellfiresoul: If you don't transition from the serious, everything will get heavy and downer, even if the discussion is helpful
[1:04:17 AM] hellfiresoul: It's like a Disney movie
[1:04:37 AM] hellfiresoul: Without the candles dancing and singing, all the story is is a werewolf man abusing a woman he kidnapped

[1:10:46 AM] Raseren: I'm sure if it wasn't you Hoofs something would move you back and forth
[1:11:09 AM] hellfiresoul: I'm the teapot, short and stout
[1:11:25 AM] hellfiresoul: wait
[1:11:29 AM] hellfiresoul: The teapot was a woman
[1:11:31 AM] hellfiresoul: damnit

[January 02, 2014 10:55 AM] Hell: I for one save every piece I encounter because I know that porn is a scarce and valuable resource on the internet

[7:30:26 PM] Sadique: I think at this rate I may need to resume my plans to kill Slime. :U
[7:31:04 PM] Slimegunk: ...resume?

[8:50:26 PM] Boydgamesh: I'm sorry I haven't insulted many wrong opinions the past two days since I was doing other things
[8:50:29 PM] Boydgamesh: I'm making up for it now

[9:01:59 PM] Amydorka Lynname the Bad Idea Cont(r)act Being: It's the internet, and it's a game.
[9:02:06 PM] Amydorka Lynname the Bad Idea Cont(r)act Being: Of course it's super competitive.

[6:00:04 PM] Ras: necare check your priveledge
[6:00:18 PM] Necare: raw check your spelling
[6:00:22 PM] Necare: ?WOW
[6:00:24 PM] Necare: [radio edit]ING
[6:00:27 PM] Necare: WOW

[10:32:44 PM] Schrodinger's Leaf: so like... what, do you beat it when you're still half asleep or something and barely know what you're doing at the time?
[10:32:46 PM] HJ: absolutely

[2:58:15 AM] The Law: he ran away a couple of times but he always came back :((
[2:58:22 AM] The Law: im worried
[2:58:28 AM] The Law: maybe he got run over
[2:59:00 AM] Schrodinger's Leaf: inb4 he comes back for christmas
[2:59:21 AM] Necare: it's a [radio edit]ing Christmas miracle
[2:59:37 AM] The Law: that's my request to santa
[2:59:44 AM] The Law: pls bring amiti back

[2:44:46 AM] Schrodinger's Leaf: do you ever have moments where you just want to procrastinate by doing something, but you don't know what to procrastinate with because everything seems like it would take up more time than you have?
[2:46:03 AM] Brian Ross: That is my always.
[2:46:05 AM] Necare: You just described the core of my being
[2:50:16 AM] Brian Ross: We should start a club.
[2:50:20 AM] Brian Ross: Like, tomorrow or something.

[12:43:21 AM] Schrodinger's Leaf: when you start looking at mook pilot stats, you realize just how hypercompetent your team actually is
[12:44:19 AM] Peytral: what's the point of highly-trained soldiers if they can't get effortlessly beaten by high schoolers

[2:58:03 AM] HFS: 24 is as much as six fours and that's AWFUL because 4 is death and that's why nobody in anime is 24

[10:34:12 PM] Aaron: turning character into Va?scent
[10:34:19 PM] Raseren: NO
[10:34:20 PM] Raseren: GOD
[10:34:21 PM] Raseren: NO

Crash May 22 2015, 08:15 PM
Cyber bots ain't even close to danmaku, it was WarTech
Crash May 22 2015, 08:15 PM
It was from a top down perspective, like a shoot me up
Jackal May 23 2015, 01:57 PM
"like a shoot me up"
Artemis May 23 2015, 02:06 PM
8)

[7:44:26 PM] HFS: well in the world of Madoka
[7:44:31 PM] HFS: it's survival of the flattest

[8:04:45 PM] HFS: blame anime
[8:04:59 PM] HFS: the camera adds ten pounds, the pencil shaves them off
[8:05:40 PM] Slimegunk: that would be the eraser actually
[8:05:59 PM] HFS: it's a metaphor you twonk[/i]
Peytral wrote:Symphogear was a mistake.
[+] Has anime gone too far?
Crash: the answer is "Yes."
leaf: wow crash. and here I thought NORMAL body pillows were bad
Skylin: What in the... yeah, my thoughts also, Leaf
Shads: whats with the hooves
Peytral: am I the only one not surprised at all
Artemis: hot
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November 18th, 2016, 11:32 pm #20

Currently at Bilibin. I usually like to get Mia before Tret but still went to Kolima to get Granite since it's an easy get and so worth it, especially since shit is certainly harder. Also, suddenly I feel that various items I would never use on a normal playthrough, such as Oil Drops and Smoke Bombs, are very useful and important now. So I check every jar and barrel and box there are.

And yes, I learned fast in Sol Sanctum that this is a playthrough you can't save PP on weak enemies and only use normal attacks. Enemies need to die fast or they get in several hits and HP gets low real fast lol.

So thus far, really liking it. Hopefully the bosses aren't too strong, and you can actually use tactics to defeat them. I once played a Pokemon hack that was supposed to be more diffucult yet still balanced but the Gym Leaders were so unfairly strong that tactics and type advantages didn't matter.
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