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12:39 AM - Jun 27, 2018 #141

Huge tariff on imported Audi's please.
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12:40 AM - Jun 27, 2018 #142

Rainman wrote:Huge tariff on imported Audi's please.
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12:42 AM - Jun 27, 2018 #143

Wouldn't be retroactive. He's ahead of the game.
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1:29 AM - Jun 27, 2018 #144

Axtremus wrote:On to foreign cars ...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1JM1GQ

Before Trump announces any decision regarding tariffs on foreign assembled cars, who here wants to see more tariffs imposed on foreign cars? Who would rather not see tariffs imposed on foreign cars?

What say you Audi and Mercedes lovers? What say you Ford and GM lovers? What say you Honda/Toyota drivers?
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How long can the EU survive this tariff action? What is your prediction? Let’s move from the daily critique to what the future holds.

I think I have already weighed in on this.
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12:52 PM - Jun 30, 2018 #145

PSA: The ignore function works on the new platform.
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6:45 PM - Jun 30, 2018 #146

PSA: The ignore function works on the new platform.
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4:40 PM - Jul 07, 2018 #147

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1:49 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #148

That 200 Billion USD tariff against Chinese imports ... the USTR just published the proposed list of stuff that will be hit by the tariff:

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/30 ... 2018_0.pdf

(The list starts from page 11.)
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2:15 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #149


Nice.

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3:28 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #150

We should stop doing business with China altogether. Their economy would collapse in short order, and they'd no longer be a threat to world peace.
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5:14 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #151

Axtremus wrote:That 200 Billion USD tariff against Chinese imports ... the USTR just published the proposed list of stuff that will be hit by the tariff:

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/30 ... 2018_0.pdf

(The list starts from page 11.)
In the long run, who gets hurt worse?
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5:16 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #152

If you believe that markets are a primary tool for prosperity and that that the world will be a more integrated market in the long run (50 years from now will there be more competitiveness among countries in terms of human capital or less?) - then the U.S. is absolutely hurting its long run interests.

Core conservatism.
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5:28 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #153

xenon wrote:If you believe that markets are a primary tool for prosperity and that that the world will be a more integrated market in the long run (50 years from now will there be more competitiveness among countries in terms of human capital or less?) - then the U.S. is absolutely hurting its long run interests.

Core conservatism.
That's not really the answer to the question, which is who gets hurt worse, China or the U.S.?
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5:37 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #154

xenon wrote:If you believe that markets are a primary tool for prosperity
Military strength is the primary tool for prosperity.

At least it has been since the dawn of man but I guess that could change completely at any time.
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5:39 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #155

Jolly wrote:
xenon wrote:If you believe that markets are a primary tool for prosperity and that that the world will be a more integrated market in the long run (50 years from now will there be more competitiveness among countries in terms of human capital or less?) - then the U.S. is absolutely hurting its long run interests.

Core conservatism.
That's not really the answer to the question, which is who gets hurt worse, China or the U.S.?
The economics geek in me reacted to the term "long run "
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9:49 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #156

So 50 more years of disproportionate trade arrangements will just settle it all out by itself with no one taking action?

Nahhhh.

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11:22 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #157



It's actually been going just fine.
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11:39 PM - Jul 11, 2018 #158

Really? You think that European tariffs on American cars being four times what we charge on European cars is just fine?
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12:23 AM - Jul 12, 2018 #159

Mikhailoh wrote:Really? You think that European tariffs on American cars being four times what we charge on European cars is just fine?
No
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1:33 AM - Jul 12, 2018 #160

Mikhailoh wrote:Really? You think that European tariffs on American cars being four times what we charge on European cars is just fine?
Yes - really.

What I said was that the trend that tariffs and trade was going in was phenomenal. You can pick examples on any number of items where other countries have higher tariffs than the US, and where the US has higher tariffs than them.

The bottom line though is that tariffs are at historical lows (5% or less for industrialized nations). They're mostly political tools now to protect special interests. You could remove them all tomorrow and the fundamentals of world trade wouldn't shift that much.

The trend is moving in the right direction. Question is, will the actions that Trump is taking continue or impede that momentum.
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