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4:19 PM - Feb 13, 2018 #21

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Jolly wrote:It's my money. i don't like it spent foolishly.
Says the guy who wants a lavish military parade.
Define lavish. Then define costly. Then think of the military's advertising budget and how much free publicity would be generated by such a parade.

Why, let a few tanks rumble down Pennsylvania Avenue and you might be banging on a recruiter's door! :silly: ;)
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4:22 PM - Feb 13, 2018 #22

Copper wrote:The government isn't going to supply prime rib.

We're talking about Cheerios, Tostitos and Mac Cheese.

Those things are getting distributed pretty efficiently right now.
Amazon Prime Pantry does deliver Cheerios, Tostitos, and Mac & Cheese.
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4:23 PM - Feb 13, 2018 #23

Jolly wrote:how much free publicity would be generated by such a parade.
It’s not free, parades cost assloads. I don’t understand how cost-cutting can be soberly called for when at the same time something so frivolous is being considered.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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4:26 PM - Feb 13, 2018 #24

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Jolly wrote:how much free publicity would be generated by such a parade.
It’s not free, parades cost assloads. I don’t understand how cost-cutting can be soberly called for when at the same time something so frivolous is being considered.
The Pentagon spends over 500 million dollars each year for marketing and advertising.

The parade would cost no more than 20 mil, and that's if the military pays for all of it. Do the thing on the 4th or on Veteran's Day, and you'll get a lot of bang for your buck.
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4:29 PM - Feb 13, 2018 #25

Luke's Dad wrote:
Copper wrote:The government isn't going to supply prime rib.

We're talking about Cheerios, Tostitos and Mac Cheese.

Those things are getting distributed pretty efficiently right now.
Amazon Prime Pantry does deliver Cheerios, Tostitos, and Mac & Cheese.
They can also deliver rice, dried beans, commodity-type cheese, pasta, canned milk and cans of whatever.

But they don't deliver everywhere. The Post Office does, and they can use the money.
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4:49 PM - Feb 13, 2018 #26

Liberals don't like giving poor people food?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... erals.html
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5:47 PM - Feb 13, 2018 #27

In 1972 I was staying wih a very poor friend’s family in Poplar Bluff, MO for a couple weeks. They got what was called Commodities - big boxes of great, shelf stable food. Lots of whole canned chickens, noodles, soups, vegetables. Good food to feed a family. Worked great.

In 1974 I was in an apartment in my home town, buying food stamps fifty cents on the dollar so recipients could buy cigarettes.

Which solution do you find better?
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6:19 PM - Feb 13, 2018 #28

Mikhailoh wrote: Which solution do you find better?
That depends on whether I'm buying or selling.

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3:16 PM - Feb 14, 2018 #29

Mikhailoh wrote:In 1972 I was staying wih a very poor friend’s family in Poplar Bluff, MO for a couple weeks. They got what was called Commodities - big boxes of great, shelf stable food. Lots of whole canned chickens, noodles, soups, vegetables. Good food to feed a family. Worked great.

In 1974 I was in an apartment in my home town, buying food stamps fifty cents on the dollar so recipients could buy cigarettes.

Which solution do you find better?
Of course Mikailoh, the first option sound better. But don't you think that the same person who was selling food stamps for $0.50 would take a box of food and sell it also? As I mentioned above, if people are going to cheat, they are going to cheat. It does not matter if they receive a stamp or a box of food. They will find a way to cheat.

For example, what is to stop a person saying that their box was stolen from their front deck? Do you send another one? Maybe it really was stolen. Maybe they are just saying that so that they can get double the amount and sell part of it.

I just see the logistic of doing this to be a lot a lot more more money and extra people and other things that would be much more than any potential savings.
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3:33 PM - Feb 14, 2018 #30

Jolly wrote:
Luke's Dad wrote:
Copper wrote:The government isn't going to supply prime rib.

We're talking about Cheerios, Tostitos and Mac Cheese.

Those things are getting distributed pretty efficiently right now.
Amazon Prime Pantry does deliver Cheerios, Tostitos, and Mac & Cheese.
They can also deliver rice, dried beans, commodity-type cheese, pasta, canned milk and cans of whatever.

But they don't deliver everywhere. The Post Office does, and they can use the money.
Amazon uses the USPS when other couriers aren't available.
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3:36 PM - Feb 14, 2018 #31

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Mikhailoh wrote:In 1972 I was staying wih a very poor friend’s family in Poplar Bluff, MO for a couple weeks. They got what was called Commodities - big boxes of great, shelf stable food. Lots of whole canned chickens, noodles, soups, vegetables. Good food to feed a family. Worked great.

In 1974 I was in an apartment in my home town, buying food stamps fifty cents on the dollar so recipients could buy cigarettes.

Which solution do you find better?
Of course Mikailoh, the first option sound better. But don't you think that the same person who was selling food stamps for $0.50 would take a box of food and sell it also? As I mentioned above, if people are going to cheat, they are going to cheat. It does not matter if they receive a stamp or a box of food. They will find a way to cheat.

For example, what is to stop a person saying that their box was stolen from their front deck? Do you send another one? Maybe it really was stolen. Maybe they are just saying that so that they can get double the amount and sell part of it.

I just see the logistic of doing this to be a lot a lot more more money and extra people and other things that would be much more than any potential savings.
You are overthinking it. There are multiple delivery options already built in that can be subcontracted. Also, at tgis volume of purchasing they can deal directly with the manufacturers and get much higher pricing.

As for fraud, require them to sign on delivery. After that, it's on the recipient.
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3:38 PM - Feb 14, 2018 #32

The way to sell this isn't to talk about cost savings, it's to promote more food. Point out that they are sending out 32 oz boxes of cereal as opposed to the 20 oz they would normally buy...
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3:41 PM - Feb 14, 2018 #33

And by the way, 100 cuts like this is where you start reducing real spending. Mik and I have been saying for years to cut spending across the board, but allow managers to actually manage. There is so much waste that can be eliminated. Especially Military spending.
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6:17 PM - Feb 14, 2018 #34

Luke's Dad wrote:
Jolly wrote:
Luke's Dad wrote:
Copper wrote:The government isn't going to supply prime rib.

We're talking about Cheerios, Tostitos and Mac Cheese.

Those things are getting distributed pretty efficiently right now.
Amazon Prime Pantry does deliver Cheerios, Tostitos, and Mac & Cheese.
They can also deliver rice, dried beans, commodity-type cheese, pasta, canned milk and cans of whatever.

But they don't deliver everywhere. The Post Office does, and they can use the money.
Amazon uses the USPS when other couriers aren't available.
This last Christmas, over half of my Amazon packages were delivered by the postman. UPS and FedEx Ground had the rest.

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6:18 PM - Feb 14, 2018 #35

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Mikhailoh wrote:In 1972 I was staying wih a very poor friend’s family in Poplar Bluff, MO for a couple weeks. They got what was called Commodities - big boxes of great, shelf stable food. Lots of whole canned chickens, noodles, soups, vegetables. Good food to feed a family. Worked great.

In 1974 I was in an apartment in my home town, buying food stamps fifty cents on the dollar so recipients could buy cigarettes.

Which solution do you find better?
Of course Mikailoh, the first option sound better. But don't you think that the same person who was selling food stamps for $0.50 would take a box of food and sell it also? As I mentioned above, if people are going to cheat, they are going to cheat. It does not matter if they receive a stamp or a box of food. They will find a way to cheat.

For example, what is to stop a person saying that their box was stolen from their front deck? Do you send another one? Maybe it really was stolen. Maybe they are just saying that so that they can get double the amount and sell part of it.

I just see the logistic of doing this to be a lot a lot more more money and extra people and other things that would be much more than any potential savings.
Lot harder to peddle canned chicken or dried beans, than selling benefits on a card.

A lot harder.
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9:23 PM - Feb 14, 2018 #36

Would be like...working.
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10:29 PM - Feb 14, 2018 #37

Luke's Dad wrote:And by the way, 100 cuts like this is where you start reducing real spending. Mik and I have been saying for years to cut spending across the board, but allow managers to actually manage. There is so much waste that can be eliminated. Especially Military spending.
And I've been mostly poo-pooing it for all these years. It would only work in a limited number of cases, and with only a small percentage of spending. The reason for that is, in most cases, the agency involved is not simply given a goal and discretion as to how to achieve it. They are specifically required by legislation to do precise things, in many instances to spend precise sums.


Nobody gives the Social Security administration 100B and the charge to 'just see what you can do for our seniors and disabled folks'. And if you give it just a few milliseconds of thought, you'll understand it's a good idea that they don't. If not you have way too much trust in anonymous bureaucrats.


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8:10 PM - Feb 15, 2018 #38

Mikhailoh wrote:In 1972 I was staying wih a very poor friend’s family in Poplar Bluff, MO for a couple weeks. They got what was called Commodities - big boxes of great, shelf stable food. Lots of whole canned chickens, noodles, soups, vegetables. Good food to feed a family. Worked great.

In 1974 I was in an apartment in my home town, buying food stamps fifty cents on the dollar so recipients could buy cigarettes.

Which solution do you find better?
Lady who sat beside me at Starbucks today mentioned that when she and her husband were receiving government food, they had to give half of it back because of food allergies; all the peanut butter in the world's not going to help you when it can also kill you. She preferred the food stamps because she could pick and choose what worked best for her and her family.

Not saying this completely contradicts what you're saying, just found it interesting since we were just talking about this the other day.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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8:20 PM - Feb 15, 2018 #39

Aqua Letifer wrote:
Mikhailoh wrote:In 1972 I was staying wih a very poor friend’s family in Poplar Bluff, MO for a couple weeks. They got what was called Commodities - big boxes of great, shelf stable food. Lots of whole canned chickens, noodles, soups, vegetables. Good food to feed a family. Worked great.

In 1974 I was in an apartment in my home town, buying food stamps fifty cents on the dollar so recipients could buy cigarettes.

Which solution do you find better?
Lady who sat beside me at Starbucks today mentioned that when she and her husband were receiving government food, they had to give half of it back because of food allergies; all the peanut butter in the world's not going to help you when it can also kill you. She preferred the food stamps because she could pick and choose what worked best for her and her family.

Not saying this completely contradicts what you're saying, just found it interesting since we were just talking about this the other day.
I'm confident that there will be allowances for food allergies.
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11:33 PM - Feb 15, 2018 #40

Pretty much of an outlier anyway. I suspect they are asked in advance.
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