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8:45 PM - Apr 20, 2011 #11

Wicked_Joker wrote: Depressed? There is pills for that.
I'm not pro pharmaceutical companies, but on this side of things, I have personal experience. I remember years back, Ghoulzy posted about being depressed, and it turned into a thread of replies saying (and I'm paraphrasing here), "man up". If that was all the help I had received, I wouldn't be here today.

Pharmaceutical companies and their researchers have done great things for us, but they're being dicks about it. You can go back to a time where half your children were killed from a simple sinus infection. Medical advancement is a wonder to behold, but greed is king. You can't blame the pill for the actions of those that market it. If it works, use it.
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12:14 AM - Apr 21, 2011 #12

Temperance wrote:
Wicked_Joker wrote: Depressed? There is pills for that.
I'm not pro pharmaceutical companies, but on this side of things, I have personal experience. I remember years back, Ghoulzy posted about being depressed, and it turned into a thread of replies saying (and I'm paraphrasing here), "man up". If that was all the help I had received, I wouldn't be here today.

Pharmaceutical companies and their researchers have done great things for us, but they're being dicks about it. You can go back to a time where half your children were killed from a simple sinus infection. Medical advancement is a wonder to behold, but greed is king. You can't blame the pill for the actions of those that market it. If it works, use it.
True enough, it is just the fact that not many people who need certain pills can afford them (e.g. the elderly.) And as for depression, I have been hearing that some of these pills have been leading to suicide (isn't that what they are supposed to prevent?). If you watched that video, which is probably a couple years old, the guy says that studies have shown that 'exercise' can also help people get through depression. The thing is there are alternative ways to deal with pretty much everything that you can take a pill for. But most people won't put in the extra effort if all they have to do is swallow half a dozen pills a day instead. Also since drugs are such a big part of the economy, you don't hear about alternative methods very often.

And the media can never get their stories straight, one day fish is the best thing you can eat, the next, don't eat the fish!!!
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~Cao Cao, assessing Zhang Fei's challenge says this before pulling back his troops, "Once Lord Guan told me that Zhang Fei had taken the head of a chief general before the eyes of his own legions as easily as removing an object from a sack. Today we have crossed his path and must take care."
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2:05 AM - Apr 21, 2011 #13

I could be wrong here but I think the FDA not drug manufacturers are scooping up all this stuff about fish, and peanut butter, and whatever not being good for you.

Mind you manufacturers have to go directly through the FDA to get their drugs approved and on the market. So their hands are certainly in the pot anyway.

As for dietary supplements and stuff, interesting thing I recall reading.. they don't have to be proven effective to be marketed. As long as the bottle doesn't state it, they don't have to do anything. The same is not true of over the counter and prescription drugs though. Those go through rigorous testing to be proven both effective and safe..
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2:17 AM - Apr 21, 2011 #14

I've taken Kempo for years now. There's no denying the effect it has had on my life from day one on. This didn't start until years after I was diagnosed and 'cured'. My depression was crippling. At the time, there was no way I would even consider taking a kempo class, let alone jogging around the block. People wanted to help me, but I didn't want to do anything they asked of me. I wanted them to leave me alone. My medical doctor got me on some medication to help. Soon I found that I was at a therapist. Soon I found the root of my problems and found myself trying to fix them and change. Today, I don't see a therapist or take medicine. I still feel depressed sometimes, but I've found new ways to counter it before it becomes crippling again.

The Male saved my life. I've told him this before. He's been there for me when I was down, reminding me of the good times that were out there without bringing me down while doing so. 'Pull yourself up by your bootstraps' always seemed a negative to me: "Normal people do it, so why can't I?" It would just pushed me down deeper.

The Male, kempo, and even medication and psychiatry have made my life better at one point or another. Where kempo and The Male have kept me going to this day, medication brought that first ray of light to me, so when I see people slam medication because of what a company does, I see them as foolish. Yes, corporations are out for themselves and their bottom line, but that doesn't belittle what they have done medically. Those that want to go back to the dark ages of medicine can if they wish, but to ignore advancements because of a corporation? Yeah, that's showing them.

I don't argue the point to just argue. I'm a success case, and there's so much negativity over pharmaceuticals that it's sometimes lost that some of these 'bad things' work.
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3:42 AM - Apr 21, 2011 #15

I think a lot of the negativity towards these drugs comes from people who cannot relate. Its easy for someone who has never been seriously depressed to tell another to man up, who needs drugs, just do some exercise.. whatever.

I agree that medication for depression and some other conceived as "silly" diagnoses are good stepping stones. But the person affected should not allow those things to rule their lives either, it is a stepping stone, not a crutch. You found other things to keep yourself out of depression, and should you or any one suffering from depression fall back into that crippling state, I don't see why they shouldn't be looked down upon for taking a medication for it. It's there to help people out. But its only a stepping stone, the rest is up to the individual.
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5:36 AM - Apr 21, 2011 #16

I wasn't slamming medicine by saying it doesn't do anything. People wouldn't buy it if it didn't relieve some of the symptoms at the very least. But then again some people claim that the Q-ray bracelet works. I guess if they think its working then that's a good thing, the mind is a powerful thing. Now, it is the active ingredients in these pills that does the job. These active ingredients usually come from natural herbs, that people have been using for hundreds of years. Which makes me wonder why these companies, and doctors bash on herbal medicine. We pretty much have it burned into our brains that herbal medicine is nothing but hocus pocus nonsense.

People can spend thousands of dollars a year on drugs, that is fine with me, but I like to keep my mind open to other alternatives. I don't think of the old ways as barbaric or dark ages when it comes to natural ingredients (this may be the 1/16th native in me talking lol), but I sure the hell wouldn't want to have surgery done by someone from those times. Medical care from doctors has come a long way in the past century.

I'm sure that it is hard to motivate yourself while in the state of depression, and I am glad the pills helped you get through it. Now you can use other preventative measures so that it doesn't get that far again.
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~While defending Liu Bei's retreat, Zhang Fei wards off Cao Cao's Force at Changban Bridge by shouting, "I am Zhang Fei of Yan! Have you a man who'll fight it out to the death?"

~Cao Cao, assessing Zhang Fei's challenge says this before pulling back his troops, "Once Lord Guan told me that Zhang Fei had taken the head of a chief general before the eyes of his own legions as easily as removing an object from a sack. Today we have crossed his path and must take care."
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9:03 PM - Dec 11, 2012 #17

I've been watching a long series of videos on youtube about the periodic table of elements, and I was surprised to discover that Platinum is actually the basis of certain anti-cancer drugs:

Anti-Cancer Platinum

Cisplatin, the specific drug they discussed in the video, apparently works because it has an incredibly strong bond on two ends of the molecule that adhere to cancer cells' DNA (one on each side of the helix) and force the DNA of the cancer to not multiply, because it cannot split.

Of course, it has a slew of nasty side effects. The link above goes into more detail, but the neurotoxicity and kidney damage sound especially bad.

I also recall reading somewhere that a certain doctor was having a lot of success treating cancer by looking at it as a sort of fungus. I don't have anything to substantiate that right now, but I thought it was interesting.
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