You HAVE been taken CAPTIVE: Please some PhDuh Refute?

Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

September 23rd, 2006, 11:45 pm #1

This is my WITNESS which your captors CANNOT refute, that if you are engaging in any kind of "spiritual arousal" by jesting, rhetorical speakers, singers, clappers or players of instruments YOU have fallen and I don't expect you to EVER get up if all of the literature has any meaning. Just the same, I have to warn you that if your building has CHURCH on it you probably are in more of a "synagogue of Satan." Sure: not even Judas knew that he was indwelled when Jesus hand ground the SOP from which we get PSALLO or melody which IS NOT a music word. I would anticipate that Satan would mobilize His SEED to take over the pulpits in order as Jesus said of the doctors of the Law, to TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE. That is the MARK of music throughout the Bible.

For ALL churches which use any kind of "music" to control people long enough to pick the pockets of widows and honest workers, DAVID is YOUR saviour chosen over the Spiritual David.
  • David is the negative model of dominant clergy when they turn away from God and His Words. Don't ever worship the cross: it was a phallic symbol.
Therefore, you should eat, drink and make Mary because you have been taken captive and God is DRUMMING you into the place of buring with music (Isaiah 30LXX). "Leading" PhDuhs are teaching the Lord's Supper as a Jubilating sacrificial meal where God eats while we burn the fat. Others are mocking the literates for NOT using the Old Testament along with the New Testament as authority for faith and practice. They HALLUCINATE that churches of Christ invented "dispensational distinctions" but ALL scholars have always grasped that before these END TIMES when the GOYIM or NATIONAL worship of Babylon has been added as a CURSE all over again.

I would suggest that you have the musicators go NAKED as the way to ROB more seekers!

You must REMEMBER that David was chosen to help carry out the captivity and death penalty imposed because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai and which became "beyond redemption" when the elders demanded a SLICK PREACHER just like all of the other nations. God gave David a Jebusite High Place which is identified with Hagar, Egypt, Mount Sinai and Sodom.

The MONARCHY is symbolic (Jesus Matt 13) along with all of the stories: they are a historical record mostly of what NOT to do. However, in the end time the PLANET OF THE APES has come true and we have procured us some PhDuhs to show us how to worship the Atomic Bomb.

<font color=red>2 Sam 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel PLAYED before the Lord
  • on all manner of instruments made of fir wood,
    even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels,
    and on cornets, and on cymbals.
</font>This is identical to the SPORTING they forced on Samson where his GRINDING did not mean "grinding wheat" but serving as a concubine. This is identical to the RISING UP to play at Mount Sinai in perverted, musical idolatry of the TRINITY.

Don't tell any literate Bible student that God does not warn AGAINST this for the Church: there are numerous examples and Paul and Peter use Greek equivalent words to DIRECTLY COMMAND the church not to AROUSE or PLAY or SPORT during "Bible class."

The word PLAY was confessed by David to MAKE SELF VILE and he did it to be honored by the CAMP FOLLOWER GIRLS:
  • <font color=blue>Lu-do to sport, to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song:

    B. To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play," </font>

    Jesus identified the SECTARIAN HYPOCRITES by pointing to Isaiah and Ezekiel who speak of the same "love" songs, speaking and talented instruments.

    <font color=purple>Ov. A. A. 2, 389 Ovid's Art of Love: Book II.....Latin

    Or when she combs or when she curls her hair,
    Commend her curious art and gallant air.
    Singing, her voice, dancing, her steps, admire;
    Applaud when she desists, and still desire.

    Let all her words and actions wonder raise;
    View her with raptures, and with raptures praise
    Fierce as Medusa though your mistress prove,
    These arts will teach the stubborn beauty love.

    Be cautious lest you overact your part,
    And temper your HYPOCRISY with ART;
    Let no false action give your words the lie,
    For once deceiv'd, she's ever after shy.</font>

    <font color=blue>Ludo continued: C. Ludere aliquem or aliquid, to play, mock, imitate, to imitate work, make believe work, [PARASITES]</font>
The local ekklesia has no ROLES for preaching or music or other "staff infection." Therefore, the FOOLS who love to be fooled fall for the MAKE BELIEVE WORK. Paul and early history says "if they will not WORK neither shall they EAT." A PARASITE is one who produces no products.

Peter outlaws the similar PLEASING Paul outlawed for the synagogue in Romans 15:
  • <font color=red>2 Pet 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

    2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their OWN deceivings while they FEAST with you; </font>[all singers and musicians were called PARASITES]

    The same Peter said that one CORRUPTS the word when they "sell learning retail" or "hawk it all about" as the PRETEND work of the preachers seminars. Ezekiel said the false prophets and prophetesses go to these workshops to "steal words one from another."

    Sporting is<font color=blue> Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.

    Truphaô, ( [truphê] ) A. live SOFTLY, luxuriously, fare sumptuously, Paison, truphêson, zêson: [Points to ZOE]
    • Paison paizô [pais]
      4. to play (on an instrument), . II. to sport, play, jest, joke, to make sport of one, mock him, dance and sing,

      THE ZOE MARK FOR THE LITERATE.

      Zêson zaô I. to live, Hom., etc.; elenchiste zôontôn vilest of living men, rheia zôontes living at ease, of the gods, id=Il.; zôn katakauthênai to be BURNTALIVE alive, Hdt.:--also, zên apo tinos to live off or on a thing,

      Zôê A. living, i.e. one's substance, property, to get one's living by Hdt.8.105

      Zoe is also Rheia rhaidios theoi rheia zôontes the gods who live at ease, kitharis kai aoidê, rheia lightly, pleasantly,
    Truphaeo en tais ekklêsiais t. kai kolakeuestha [DOING IT IN CHURCH] </font>

    Similar Greek which they TRIED on Jesus and he called them CHILDREN playing in the Agora where perverted worship took place.

    <font color=blue>Huporcheomai , External HEART attack.
    A. dance with or to music, pros de kardiai phobos aidein goous sing and dance a lament, Hld.6.8.
    II. sing and dance a character, of a pantomimic actor, Luc.Salt.16.
    • Phobos Phobos is personified as son of Ares ABADDON.
      II. panic fear, such as causes flight
    </font>
    The FEAR is caused by SINGING which SATAN sells as "spiritual."

    <font color=blue>Aeidô of other sounds, twang, of the bow-string, Od.21.411; whistle, of the wind through a tree, Mosch.Fr.1.8; ring, of a stone when struck, Theoc.7.26:--prov., prin nenikêkenai aidein 'to crow too soon',</font>
Back to David: David was wearing the Ephod which was a feminine garment for the priesthood which was like ALL national priesthoods and NOT an approved PATTERNISM. No one doubts that he WENT NAKED. Other words define the naked PLAY:
  • <font color=blue>Nu-do I. to make naked or bare; to strip, bare, lay bare, expose to view, uncover (syn.: exuo, detego, revelo).

    Scurra, ae, m. 1. A city buffoon, droll, JESTER (usually in the suite of wealthy persons, and accordingly a kind of PARASITE; syn.: -Of the clown in a pantomime, Juv. 13, sannio, parasitus) urbani assidui cives, venustissimus, rhetores

    Delicatus I. That gives pleasure, i. e. alluring, charming, delightful; luxurious, voluptuous.

    B. Transf., SOFT, tender, delicate (poet. and in post-Aug. prose): CAPELLA [She Goat], Cat. 20, 10 ; II. Addicted to pleasure; luxurious, voluptuous; and subst., a voluptuary, a wanton.

    Judges 6. [20] Then David returned to bless his household. Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel today, who uncovered himself today in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovers himself! [21] David said to Michal, [It was] before Yahweh, who chose me above your father, and above all his house, to appoint me prince over the people of Yahweh, over Israel: therefore will I play before Yahweh. [22] I will be yet more vile than this, and will be base in my own sight: but of the handmaids of whom you have spoken, of them shall I be had in honor.
    • Sannio, o-nis, m. [sanna] ,
      I. one who makes mimicking grimaces, a buffoon (cf. scurra),

      Parasi-tus, i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence, parasitus Phoebi, a player, actor [For APOLLO or Apollyon]
    II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery and buffoonery, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite </font>
<font color=red>2 Sam 6:13 And it was so, that when they that bare the ark of the Lord had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatlings.

2 Sam 6:14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.</font>

Of the Spiritual David, however, Paul said that He did not PLEASE HIMSELF or LIFT UP with mental anxiety:
  • <font color=purple>Isa 42:2 He shall NO cry, nor LIFT UP, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. </font>

    Greek: <font color=purple>H6817 tsaaq tsaw-ak' A primitive root; to shriek; (by implication) to proclaim (an assembly): X at all, call together, cry (out), gather (selves) (together).</font>

    Latin: <font color=purple>Cla-mo, a-vi, a-tum, 1, v. n. and

    I. a. [Sanscr. kar-, to CELEBRATE; Gr. kaleô, klêtos; cf.: clarus, classis, nomenclator, CONCILIUM]. </font>
I HOPE SOMEONE WILL GRASP THAT THE PROPHECY WAS THAT JESUS WOULD NOT DO WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR! Paul OUTLAWED the same kind of DIALOGING assembly devoted to SELF PLEASING or CONCILIUM. This is IDENTICAL to the Community Churches or COMMUNES which plan to provide COMMUNITY to involve most of your life and FINANCES. Yes, the PLANET OF THE APES was a SUPERNATURAL REVELATION.
  • <font color=red>Jesus replaced by the PREACHER</font><font color=blue> The president was the archiereus, or sacerdos [priest]... </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> After the concilium had taken part in the religious festival, it met again for the conduct of business. </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> Its first duty was to pass the accounts of the expenditure connected with the provincial temple to Augustus, and to provide for the maintenance of the worship for the coming year; </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> but then it was entitled to criticise the conduct of the governor, and either vote thanks to him or lay a complaint before the emperor (cf. the Inscription of Torigny, edited by Mommsen), which was frequently followed by his accusation ( Epist. vii. 6). </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> In this manner some control was exercised over the governor, and there was some approach to the creation of a representative body.</font>
The word PLEASE or ARESKOS outlaws any accomodation for people who have DIVERSE backgrounds because the object is not to CELEBRATE but to READ and DIALOG "That which is written" or "Scripture." Paul uses the word SPEAK in an external sense and there is NO MUSIC in the "school room" children!
  • Clamo continued: <font color=purple> -Of the CHIRIPING of a cricket: (CICADA) multo validius clamare occoepit, Phaedr. 3, 16, 7 .--Of the roaring of waters, </font>
Jesus invites the TWOS and THREES to "come learn of me" beside STILL WATERS: Lambs WILL NOT drink from rushing waters and that is why SATAN uses the musical sounds to starve you to death for the WORD (Amos 5-8; Isaiah 5)

The cicada is the MUSICAL LOCUSTS which John uses to identify the singers and musicians as the MUSES which is the MARK of Apollyon worship. Welcome to the Planet of the Apes.
  • <font color=blue>Chirruping a humming, twanging, phormingôn [harp], chirruping of cicada, mere sound or twittering
    • Teret-isma, A. a humming, twanging, phormingôn, a mere sound or twittering, teretismata ta eidê (the Platonic ideas)

    The Phorminx is ESPECIALLY the Instrument of APOLLO [Apollyon, Abaddon]. 2. ph. achordos, metaph. for a bow,

    Homer, Iliad 1. So he spoke, and the goddess, white-armed Hera, smiled, [595] and smiling took in her hand the cup from her son. Then he poured wine for all the other gods from left to right, drawing forth sweet nectar from the bowl. And unquenchable laughter arose among the blessed gods, as they saw Hephaestus puffing through the palace. [600] Thus the whole day long till the setting of the sun
    • they feasted,
      nor did their heart lack anything of the equal feast,
      nor of the beauteous lyre, that Apollo held,
      nor yet of the Muses, who sang,
      replying
      one to the other with sweet voices.
    But when the bright light of the sun was set, [605] they went each to his own house to take their rest, where for each one a palace had been built with cunning skill by the famed Hephaestus, the limping god; and Zeus, the Olympian, lord of the lightning, went to his couch, where of old he took his rest, whenever sweet sleep came upon him. [610] There went he up and slept, and beside him lay Hera of the golden throne.

    Homer, Odyssey 17. And Odysseus and the goodly swineherd halted as they drew nigh,
    • and about them rang the sound of the hollow lyre,
      for Phemius was striking the chords to sing before the wooers.
    Then Odysseus clasped the swineherd by the hand, and said: "Eumaeus, surely this is the beautiful house of Odysseus. [265] Easily might it be known, though seen among many. There is building upon building, and the court is built with wall and coping, and the double gates are well-fenced; no man may scorn it. And I mark that in the house itself many [270] men are feasting: for the savour of meat arises from it, and therewith resounds the voice of the lyre, which the gods have made the companion of the feast."

    The Fables of Phaedrus The Locusts or Grasshoppers of John's Revelation :

    Those who will not the forms obey
    To be obliging in their way,
    Must often punishment abide
    For their ill-nature, and their pride.

    A Grasshopper, in rank ill-will,
    Was very loud and very shrill
    Against a sapient Owl's repose,
    Who was compelled by day to doze

    The Owl perceiving no redress,
    And that her words were less and less
    Accounted of, no longer pray'd,
    But thus an artifice essay'd:

    "Since 'tis impossible to nod,
    While harping like the Delphian god, [Apollo]
    You charm our ears, stead of a nap,
    A batch of nectar will I tap,

    Which lately from Minerva came;
    Now if you do not scorn the same,
    Together let us bumpers ply."
    The Grasshopper, extremely dry,

    And, finding she had hit the key
    That gain'd applause, approach'd with glee;
    At which the Owl upon her flew,
    And quick the trembling vixen slew.

    Thus by her death she was adjudged
    To give what in her life she grudged. </font>
Because you have the best hypocrites money can procure (speakers, singers, musicians) you UNDOUBTEDLY remember that the Abomination of Desolation was still favored among the "Jews" who were not Israelites and that included Dionysus worship with sex, perversion and music right there in the Holy Places." Therefore, they hoped that Messiah would be Dionysus so they tried to TRIUMPH OVER or force Jesus to BOW TO BAAL in the Dionysus "initiation" so that he would wail and dance while they PIPED. The MARK therefore of the end time Babylon Whore (Circe, church) is the singers and clappers: if you PAY then you are one of them.

<font color=red>2 Sam 6:15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.</font>
  • <font color=blue>Ju-bilo, a-vi, a-tum, 1, v. n. and

    I. a. [jubilum], to shout, to raise a shout of joy: quiritare, jubilare, Varr. L. L. 6, § 68 Müll.: aliquem, to call out to a person: io buccol quis me jubilat? Poet. ib.: jubilate Deo, </font>
This is the alarm or triumph over God outlawed for the "church in the wilderness] In the Greek, This is what Paul condemned in 1 Cor 13:
  • <font color=blue>Alal-azô, [Lord, Lord prophesying]
    • <font color=purple>Defining DAVID's dance: "The 'whirling dervishes' gyrate round their sheikh in a representation of the planets circling the sun... The dervishes whirl on their own axes and also in orbit, reciting inwardly the name of God: Alah, Alah, Alah. With closed eyes they whirl, to the music of flutes, drums and strings, seeking union with the divine, till they cease and return to stillness." (Parrinder, Geoffrey, Mysticism in the World's Religions, Oxford University , p. 131).

      "It was probably usual to welcome a king or general with music and dancing...The distinctly religious dance is more frequently mentioned. The clear instances of it in the Bible are the dance of the women of Israel at the Red Sea, headed by Miriam with her tambourine (Exodus 15:20); the dance of the Israelites round the golden calf (Exodus 32:19); the dance of the maidens of Shiloah at the annual feast (Judges 21:19 ff); the leaping or limping of the prophets of Baal round their altar on Carmel (1 Kings 18:26); and the dancing of David in front of the ark (2 Samuel 6:14-16) (Int. Std. Bible Ency., p. 1169-70)

      Thayer's Lexicon puts it, to go 'la-la'. The Greeks shouted 'alala' both in worship and in war, and personified Alala as a deity (Pindar, Fr. 208 [78]; Plutarch 2.3496). It was this same repetitive and meaningless syllabification in pagan prayers which Jesus described: 'for they think they shall be heard for their much speaking' (Matthew 6:7) </font>
    A. (formed from the cry alalai): --raise the war-cry, NIKE alalazein shout the shout of victory, S.Ant.133. [NIKE over the LAITY: Nicolatains]

    2. generally, cry, shout aloud, in orgiastic rites, A.Fr.57; of Bacchus and Bacchae, [Dionysus]

    3. rarely of a cry of pain or grief, êlalaze dusthnêskôn phonhô E.El.843 , LXX Je.4.8, al., Ev.Marc. 5.38, Plu.Luc28. </font>
This is where Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels LIKE DUNG because ALL musical minstrels were misleading you for CASH.
  • <font color=blue>II. rarely also of other sounds than the voice, sound loudly, psalmos d' alalazei A.Fr.57 ; kumbalon alalazon 1 Ep.Cor.13.1 .--Poet. word, used by X. and in late Prose.

    Quiri-to of an ORATOR, to scream, shriek out, cry aloud something

    Clangor, o-ris, m. [clango] , I. a sound, CLANG, noise (mostly poet. and in Aug. prose). I. Of wind instruments: tubarum,</font>
Do YOU get the meaning of a JUBILEE? Or a Jubilating sacrificial meal with God?

I will post a link on my home page when I clean this up. I suggest you read this rather than mock: that is THE MARK. Yes, I know that I am not a Greek scholar so the scholars have to TRUMP all of the clear statements of Scripture before they can escape burning times for deliberately sowing discord: Peter identifes them as the beast people.
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Nadab
Nadab

September 24th, 2006, 9:25 pm #2

You win the award for:
Most Boring Post
Most Irrelevant
Most Lies Stated In A Post
Longest Post
Lamest Post

Congratulations. Start working on 2007. I bet you can do even better!
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

September 25th, 2006, 1:36 pm #3

We note that "Nadab" doesn't offer any definitive rebuttal, only insults and personal attacks. He who can only resort to insults and personal attacks has already lost the argument.
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Roger Bradley
Roger Bradley

September 25th, 2006, 2:23 pm #4


I think what you mean good doctor, is:
He who resorts to unreasonably long and inaccurate posts that are boring and full of lies has already lost.

Nadab is right. That rhetoric is ridiculous. If someone has a point, make it. Or if it's extremely long, post a link. It's not good internet ettiquette to post things like Ken Sublett seems to do daily. Of course, from reading around on this site, etiquette doesn't seem to be much of a priority here.

If you are such a defender of his Dr. Crump, would you mind telling us:
A.) Do you read all of his super-long posts?
B.) Do you agree with them?
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

September 25th, 2006, 5:13 pm #5

This is my WITNESS which your captors CANNOT refute, that if you are engaging in any kind of "spiritual arousal" by jesting, rhetorical speakers, singers, clappers or players of instruments YOU have fallen and I don't expect you to EVER get up if all of the literature has any meaning. Just the same, I have to warn you that if your building has CHURCH on it you probably are in more of a "synagogue of Satan." Sure: not even Judas knew that he was indwelled when Jesus hand ground the SOP from which we get PSALLO or melody which IS NOT a music word. I would anticipate that Satan would mobilize His SEED to take over the pulpits in order as Jesus said of the doctors of the Law, to TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE. That is the MARK of music throughout the Bible.

For ALL churches which use any kind of "music" to control people long enough to pick the pockets of widows and honest workers, DAVID is YOUR saviour chosen over the Spiritual David.
  • David is the negative model of dominant clergy when they turn away from God and His Words. Don't ever worship the cross: it was a phallic symbol.
Therefore, you should eat, drink and make Mary because you have been taken captive and God is DRUMMING you into the place of buring with music (Isaiah 30LXX). "Leading" PhDuhs are teaching the Lord's Supper as a Jubilating sacrificial meal where God eats while we burn the fat. Others are mocking the literates for NOT using the Old Testament along with the New Testament as authority for faith and practice. They HALLUCINATE that churches of Christ invented "dispensational distinctions" but ALL scholars have always grasped that before these END TIMES when the GOYIM or NATIONAL worship of Babylon has been added as a CURSE all over again.

I would suggest that you have the musicators go NAKED as the way to ROB more seekers!

You must REMEMBER that David was chosen to help carry out the captivity and death penalty imposed because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai and which became "beyond redemption" when the elders demanded a SLICK PREACHER just like all of the other nations. God gave David a Jebusite High Place which is identified with Hagar, Egypt, Mount Sinai and Sodom.

The MONARCHY is symbolic (Jesus Matt 13) along with all of the stories: they are a historical record mostly of what NOT to do. However, in the end time the PLANET OF THE APES has come true and we have procured us some PhDuhs to show us how to worship the Atomic Bomb.

<font color=red>2 Sam 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel PLAYED before the Lord
  • on all manner of instruments made of fir wood,
    even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels,
    and on cornets, and on cymbals.
</font>This is identical to the SPORTING they forced on Samson where his GRINDING did not mean "grinding wheat" but serving as a concubine. This is identical to the RISING UP to play at Mount Sinai in perverted, musical idolatry of the TRINITY.

Don't tell any literate Bible student that God does not warn AGAINST this for the Church: there are numerous examples and Paul and Peter use Greek equivalent words to DIRECTLY COMMAND the church not to AROUSE or PLAY or SPORT during "Bible class."

The word PLAY was confessed by David to MAKE SELF VILE and he did it to be honored by the CAMP FOLLOWER GIRLS:
  • <font color=blue>Lu-do to sport, to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song:

    B. To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play," </font>

    Jesus identified the SECTARIAN HYPOCRITES by pointing to Isaiah and Ezekiel who speak of the same "love" songs, speaking and talented instruments.

    <font color=purple>Ov. A. A. 2, 389 Ovid's Art of Love: Book II.....Latin

    Or when she combs or when she curls her hair,
    Commend her curious art and gallant air.
    Singing, her voice, dancing, her steps, admire;
    Applaud when she desists, and still desire.

    Let all her words and actions wonder raise;
    View her with raptures, and with raptures praise
    Fierce as Medusa though your mistress prove,
    These arts will teach the stubborn beauty love.

    Be cautious lest you overact your part,
    And temper your HYPOCRISY with ART;
    Let no false action give your words the lie,
    For once deceiv'd, she's ever after shy.</font>

    <font color=blue>Ludo continued: C. Ludere aliquem or aliquid, to play, mock, imitate, to imitate work, make believe work, [PARASITES]</font>
The local ekklesia has no ROLES for preaching or music or other "staff infection." Therefore, the FOOLS who love to be fooled fall for the MAKE BELIEVE WORK. Paul and early history says "if they will not WORK neither shall they EAT." A PARASITE is one who produces no products.

Peter outlaws the similar PLEASING Paul outlawed for the synagogue in Romans 15:
  • <font color=red>2 Pet 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

    2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their OWN deceivings while they FEAST with you; </font>[all singers and musicians were called PARASITES]

    The same Peter said that one CORRUPTS the word when they "sell learning retail" or "hawk it all about" as the PRETEND work of the preachers seminars. Ezekiel said the false prophets and prophetesses go to these workshops to "steal words one from another."

    Sporting is<font color=blue> Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.

    Truphaô, ( [truphê] ) A. live SOFTLY, luxuriously, fare sumptuously, Paison, truphêson, zêson: [Points to ZOE]
    • Paison paizô [pais]
      4. to play (on an instrument), . II. to sport, play, jest, joke, to make sport of one, mock him, dance and sing,

      THE ZOE MARK FOR THE LITERATE.

      Zêson zaô I. to live, Hom., etc.; elenchiste zôontôn vilest of living men, rheia zôontes living at ease, of the gods, id=Il.; zôn katakauthênai to be BURNTALIVE alive, Hdt.:--also, zên apo tinos to live off or on a thing,

      Zôê A. living, i.e. one's substance, property, to get one's living by Hdt.8.105

      Zoe is also Rheia rhaidios theoi rheia zôontes the gods who live at ease, kitharis kai aoidê, rheia lightly, pleasantly,
    Truphaeo en tais ekklêsiais t. kai kolakeuestha [DOING IT IN CHURCH] </font>

    Similar Greek which they TRIED on Jesus and he called them CHILDREN playing in the Agora where perverted worship took place.

    <font color=blue>Huporcheomai , External HEART attack.
    A. dance with or to music, pros de kardiai phobos aidein goous sing and dance a lament, Hld.6.8.
    II. sing and dance a character, of a pantomimic actor, Luc.Salt.16.
    • Phobos Phobos is personified as son of Ares ABADDON.
      II. panic fear, such as causes flight
    </font>
    The FEAR is caused by SINGING which SATAN sells as "spiritual."

    <font color=blue>Aeidô of other sounds, twang, of the bow-string, Od.21.411; whistle, of the wind through a tree, Mosch.Fr.1.8; ring, of a stone when struck, Theoc.7.26:--prov., prin nenikêkenai aidein 'to crow too soon',</font>
Back to David: David was wearing the Ephod which was a feminine garment for the priesthood which was like ALL national priesthoods and NOT an approved PATTERNISM. No one doubts that he WENT NAKED. Other words define the naked PLAY:
  • <font color=blue>Nu-do I. to make naked or bare; to strip, bare, lay bare, expose to view, uncover (syn.: exuo, detego, revelo).

    Scurra, ae, m. 1. A city buffoon, droll, JESTER (usually in the suite of wealthy persons, and accordingly a kind of PARASITE; syn.: -Of the clown in a pantomime, Juv. 13, sannio, parasitus) urbani assidui cives, venustissimus, rhetores

    Delicatus I. That gives pleasure, i. e. alluring, charming, delightful; luxurious, voluptuous.

    B. Transf., SOFT, tender, delicate (poet. and in post-Aug. prose): CAPELLA [She Goat], Cat. 20, 10 ; II. Addicted to pleasure; luxurious, voluptuous; and subst., a voluptuary, a wanton.

    Judges 6. [20] Then David returned to bless his household. Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel today, who uncovered himself today in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovers himself! [21] David said to Michal, [It was] before Yahweh, who chose me above your father, and above all his house, to appoint me prince over the people of Yahweh, over Israel: therefore will I play before Yahweh. [22] I will be yet more vile than this, and will be base in my own sight: but of the handmaids of whom you have spoken, of them shall I be had in honor.
    • Sannio, o-nis, m. [sanna] ,
      I. one who makes mimicking grimaces, a buffoon (cf. scurra),

      Parasi-tus, i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence, parasitus Phoebi, a player, actor [For APOLLO or Apollyon]
    II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery and buffoonery, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite </font>
<font color=red>2 Sam 6:13 And it was so, that when they that bare the ark of the Lord had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatlings.

2 Sam 6:14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.</font>

Of the Spiritual David, however, Paul said that He did not PLEASE HIMSELF or LIFT UP with mental anxiety:
  • <font color=purple>Isa 42:2 He shall NO cry, nor LIFT UP, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. </font>

    Greek: <font color=purple>H6817 tsaaq tsaw-ak' A primitive root; to shriek; (by implication) to proclaim (an assembly): X at all, call together, cry (out), gather (selves) (together).</font>

    Latin: <font color=purple>Cla-mo, a-vi, a-tum, 1, v. n. and

    I. a. [Sanscr. kar-, to CELEBRATE; Gr. kaleô, klêtos; cf.: clarus, classis, nomenclator, CONCILIUM]. </font>
I HOPE SOMEONE WILL GRASP THAT THE PROPHECY WAS THAT JESUS WOULD NOT DO WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR! Paul OUTLAWED the same kind of DIALOGING assembly devoted to SELF PLEASING or CONCILIUM. This is IDENTICAL to the Community Churches or COMMUNES which plan to provide COMMUNITY to involve most of your life and FINANCES. Yes, the PLANET OF THE APES was a SUPERNATURAL REVELATION.
  • <font color=red>Jesus replaced by the PREACHER</font><font color=blue> The president was the archiereus, or sacerdos [priest]... </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> After the concilium had taken part in the religious festival, it met again for the conduct of business. </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> Its first duty was to pass the accounts of the expenditure connected with the provincial temple to Augustus, and to provide for the maintenance of the worship for the coming year; </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> but then it was entitled to criticise the conduct of the governor, and either vote thanks to him or lay a complaint before the emperor (cf. the Inscription of Torigny, edited by Mommsen), which was frequently followed by his accusation ( Epist. vii. 6). </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> In this manner some control was exercised over the governor, and there was some approach to the creation of a representative body.</font>
The word PLEASE or ARESKOS outlaws any accomodation for people who have DIVERSE backgrounds because the object is not to CELEBRATE but to READ and DIALOG "That which is written" or "Scripture." Paul uses the word SPEAK in an external sense and there is NO MUSIC in the "school room" children!
  • Clamo continued: <font color=purple> -Of the CHIRIPING of a cricket: (CICADA) multo validius clamare occoepit, Phaedr. 3, 16, 7 .--Of the roaring of waters, </font>
Jesus invites the TWOS and THREES to "come learn of me" beside STILL WATERS: Lambs WILL NOT drink from rushing waters and that is why SATAN uses the musical sounds to starve you to death for the WORD (Amos 5-8; Isaiah 5)

The cicada is the MUSICAL LOCUSTS which John uses to identify the singers and musicians as the MUSES which is the MARK of Apollyon worship. Welcome to the Planet of the Apes.
  • <font color=blue>Chirruping a humming, twanging, phormingôn [harp], chirruping of cicada, mere sound or twittering
    • Teret-isma, A. a humming, twanging, phormingôn, a mere sound or twittering, teretismata ta eidê (the Platonic ideas)

    The Phorminx is ESPECIALLY the Instrument of APOLLO [Apollyon, Abaddon]. 2. ph. achordos, metaph. for a bow,

    Homer, Iliad 1. So he spoke, and the goddess, white-armed Hera, smiled, [595] and smiling took in her hand the cup from her son. Then he poured wine for all the other gods from left to right, drawing forth sweet nectar from the bowl. And unquenchable laughter arose among the blessed gods, as they saw Hephaestus puffing through the palace. [600] Thus the whole day long till the setting of the sun
    • they feasted,
      nor did their heart lack anything of the equal feast,
      nor of the beauteous lyre, that Apollo held,
      nor yet of the Muses, who sang,
      replying
      one to the other with sweet voices.
    But when the bright light of the sun was set, [605] they went each to his own house to take their rest, where for each one a palace had been built with cunning skill by the famed Hephaestus, the limping god; and Zeus, the Olympian, lord of the lightning, went to his couch, where of old he took his rest, whenever sweet sleep came upon him. [610] There went he up and slept, and beside him lay Hera of the golden throne.

    Homer, Odyssey 17. And Odysseus and the goodly swineherd halted as they drew nigh,
    • and about them rang the sound of the hollow lyre,
      for Phemius was striking the chords to sing before the wooers.
    Then Odysseus clasped the swineherd by the hand, and said: "Eumaeus, surely this is the beautiful house of Odysseus. [265] Easily might it be known, though seen among many. There is building upon building, and the court is built with wall and coping, and the double gates are well-fenced; no man may scorn it. And I mark that in the house itself many [270] men are feasting: for the savour of meat arises from it, and therewith resounds the voice of the lyre, which the gods have made the companion of the feast."

    The Fables of Phaedrus The Locusts or Grasshoppers of John's Revelation :

    Those who will not the forms obey
    To be obliging in their way,
    Must often punishment abide
    For their ill-nature, and their pride.

    A Grasshopper, in rank ill-will,
    Was very loud and very shrill
    Against a sapient Owl's repose,
    Who was compelled by day to doze

    The Owl perceiving no redress,
    And that her words were less and less
    Accounted of, no longer pray'd,
    But thus an artifice essay'd:

    "Since 'tis impossible to nod,
    While harping like the Delphian god, [Apollo]
    You charm our ears, stead of a nap,
    A batch of nectar will I tap,

    Which lately from Minerva came;
    Now if you do not scorn the same,
    Together let us bumpers ply."
    The Grasshopper, extremely dry,

    And, finding she had hit the key
    That gain'd applause, approach'd with glee;
    At which the Owl upon her flew,
    And quick the trembling vixen slew.

    Thus by her death she was adjudged
    To give what in her life she grudged. </font>
Because you have the best hypocrites money can procure (speakers, singers, musicians) you UNDOUBTEDLY remember that the Abomination of Desolation was still favored among the "Jews" who were not Israelites and that included Dionysus worship with sex, perversion and music right there in the Holy Places." Therefore, they hoped that Messiah would be Dionysus so they tried to TRIUMPH OVER or force Jesus to BOW TO BAAL in the Dionysus "initiation" so that he would wail and dance while they PIPED. The MARK therefore of the end time Babylon Whore (Circe, church) is the singers and clappers: if you PAY then you are one of them.

<font color=red>2 Sam 6:15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.</font>
  • <font color=blue>Ju-bilo, a-vi, a-tum, 1, v. n. and

    I. a. [jubilum], to shout, to raise a shout of joy: quiritare, jubilare, Varr. L. L. 6, § 68 Müll.: aliquem, to call out to a person: io buccol quis me jubilat? Poet. ib.: jubilate Deo, </font>
This is the alarm or triumph over God outlawed for the "church in the wilderness] In the Greek, This is what Paul condemned in 1 Cor 13:
  • <font color=blue>Alal-azô, [Lord, Lord prophesying]
    • <font color=purple>Defining DAVID's dance: "The 'whirling dervishes' gyrate round their sheikh in a representation of the planets circling the sun... The dervishes whirl on their own axes and also in orbit, reciting inwardly the name of God: Alah, Alah, Alah. With closed eyes they whirl, to the music of flutes, drums and strings, seeking union with the divine, till they cease and return to stillness." (Parrinder, Geoffrey, Mysticism in the World's Religions, Oxford University , p. 131).

      "It was probably usual to welcome a king or general with music and dancing...The distinctly religious dance is more frequently mentioned. The clear instances of it in the Bible are the dance of the women of Israel at the Red Sea, headed by Miriam with her tambourine (Exodus 15:20); the dance of the Israelites round the golden calf (Exodus 32:19); the dance of the maidens of Shiloah at the annual feast (Judges 21:19 ff); the leaping or limping of the prophets of Baal round their altar on Carmel (1 Kings 18:26); and the dancing of David in front of the ark (2 Samuel 6:14-16) (Int. Std. Bible Ency., p. 1169-70)

      Thayer's Lexicon puts it, to go 'la-la'. The Greeks shouted 'alala' both in worship and in war, and personified Alala as a deity (Pindar, Fr. 208 [78]; Plutarch 2.3496). It was this same repetitive and meaningless syllabification in pagan prayers which Jesus described: 'for they think they shall be heard for their much speaking' (Matthew 6:7) </font>
    A. (formed from the cry alalai): --raise the war-cry, NIKE alalazein shout the shout of victory, S.Ant.133. [NIKE over the LAITY: Nicolatains]

    2. generally, cry, shout aloud, in orgiastic rites, A.Fr.57; of Bacchus and Bacchae, [Dionysus]

    3. rarely of a cry of pain or grief, êlalaze dusthnêskôn phonhô E.El.843 , LXX Je.4.8, al., Ev.Marc. 5.38, Plu.Luc28. </font>
This is where Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels LIKE DUNG because ALL musical minstrels were misleading you for CASH.
  • <font color=blue>II. rarely also of other sounds than the voice, sound loudly, psalmos d' alalazei A.Fr.57 ; kumbalon alalazon 1 Ep.Cor.13.1 .--Poet. word, used by X. and in late Prose.

    Quiri-to of an ORATOR, to scream, shriek out, cry aloud something

    Clangor, o-ris, m. [clango] , I. a sound, CLANG, noise (mostly poet. and in Aug. prose). I. Of wind instruments: tubarum,</font>
Do YOU get the meaning of a JUBILEE? Or a Jubilating sacrificial meal with God?

I will post a link on my home page when I clean this up. I suggest you read this rather than mock: that is THE MARK. Yes, I know that I am not a Greek scholar so the scholars have to TRUMP all of the clear statements of Scripture before they can escape burning times for deliberately sowing discord: Peter identifes them as the beast people.
Dear NaBlab: What you always needed to know but no "scholar can tell you" is that the Bible is a condensed version of all of the wisdom of the world used by priests or magicians to try to relieve their own guilt by appeasing the "gods" meaning to to them "demons." Think of the Bible as a book where each page is a sealed envelope: on the outside is a short story of real or "parable" events which give extra punch. One page might tell a story which means "How to identify the Race of Nachash or Viper people who existed before Eden."

This book got flooded into hiding about as soon as men like Moses or Paul wrote each "cover page" to the enclosed envelope. The Planet of the Apes was a Crumpian story that anyone who gets UN Rip Van Winkled can discover that the APES have really been worshiping the Atomic Bomb since the Liberals bombed the church.

Now, the preaching school teaches you how to preach on the instructions, class books are written, workshops are held and they even offer a PhDuh about the various ways to read the "instructions." However, the meaning of being given A holy spirit or A good conscience or consiousness or a CO-PERCEPTION proves that all of the "doctors of the Law" are just making disciples four-fold blinder. For those who have a LITTLE ability to READ black text on WHITE paper and exercise that gift it can be ADDED: God REMOVES Divine knowledge to those who don't deserve a peek into the sealed envelop.

The Nadab-Abihu story is one of the POINTERS to the curse Israel came under when they repudiated The Book of The Covenant of Grace (as under Abraham) and were given a Law which "was not good" for purging the conscience but only to protect the weak from the excess of RELIGION which God shows concentrated in the Sacrificial System.

<font color=red>AND Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not. Leviticus 10:1</font>

<font color=blue>1 And Nadab H5070 and Abihu H30, the sons H1121 of Aaron H175,
  • took H3947 either H376 of them his censer H4289,
  • and put H5414 fire H784 therein H2004,
  • and put H7760 incense H7004 thereon H5921,
  • and offered H7126 strange H2114 fire H784
  • before H6440 the LORD H3068,
    which H834 he commanded H6680 them not.
</font>They did FIVE THINGS when God had been SILENT. But, what harm did they do? Not a single thing: the lesson was that GOD has the right to COMMAND and if He has not commanded then God is SILENT and if you PRESUME in the face of an infinite God you simply are NOT suitable material to move on to the Spirit World where body worship is not possible.

No, it was NOT just "strange fire" but because the people had come out of fire and sun worship, and had been abandoned to worship the starry host, and the priesthood was given also "BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSION," if you can PEEK into the envelope you will grasp that these men were PERFORMING worship of pagan incense burning. Even though they had been TURNED OVER to perform that kind of worship, it was important for God to identify those ACTS and to prove that THE WOULD NOT GET AWAY WITH IT.
  • <font color=blue>"It does not appear the they had any orders to burn incense at all at this time. It is true their consecration was completed the day before, and it was part of their work, as priests, to serve at the altar of incense;
    • but, it should seem, the whole service of this solemn day of inauguration was to be performed by Aaron himself, for he slew the sacrifices (ch. 9:8, 15, 18),

      and his sons were only to attend him (v. 9, 12, 18); therefore Moses and Aaron only went into the tabernacle, v. 23.
    But Nadab and Abihu were so proud of the honour they were newly advanced to, and so ambitious of doing the highest and most honourable part of their work immediately, that though the service of this day was extraordinary, and done by particular direction from Moses,

    yet without receiving orders, or so much as asking leave from him, they took their censers, and they would enter into the tabernacle, at the door of which they thought they had attended long enough, and would burn incense.

    And THEN their offering strange fire is the same with offering STRANG incense, which is expressly forbidden, Ex. 30:9. Matthew Henry Lev 10</font>
The message for modern NaBlabs is that No one but the High Priest went as far as the Incense Altar which in the Temple would be looking into the Most Holy Place as the symbolic presence of God and His Word under the mercy seat--GUARDED by idols which you cannot survive without being clothed with Christ.

That means that no one who does not "take God's Words" or singers or clappers or musicians could enter into the Holy Place (type of church of Christ) and assuredly NOT into the Most Holy Place.) They would assuredly be instantly executed.
  • <font color=blue>2 Chron 26:16 But when he was strong, his heart was lifted up to his destruction: for he transgressed against the LORD his God, and went into the temple of the LORD to burn incense upon the altar of incense.

    2 Chron 26: 17 And Azariah the priest went in after him, and with him fourscore priests of the LORD, that were valiant men:

    2 Chron 26: 18 And they withstood Uzziah the king, and said unto him, It appertaineth not unto thee, Uzziah, to burn incense unto the LORD, but to the priests the sons of Aaron, that are consecrated to burn incense: go out of the sanctuary; for thou hast trespassed; neither shall it be for thine honour from the LORD God.

    2 Chron 26: 19 Then Uzziah was wroth, and had a censer in his hand to burn incense: and while he was wroth with the priests, the leprosy even rose up in his forehead before the priests in the house of the LORD, from beside the incense altar.

    2 Chron 26: 20 And Azariah the chief priest, and all the priests, looked upon him, and, behold, he was leprous in his forehead, and they thrust him out from thence; yea, himself hasted also to go out, because the LORD had smitten him.

    2 Chron 26: 21 And Uzziah the king was a leper unto the day of his death, and dwelt in a several house, being a leper; for he was cut off from the house of the LORD: and Jotham his son was over the king's house, judging the people of the land. </font>
You remember that God struck Miriam with leprosy when she presumed to speak FOR God: shouldn't elders worry about USING women in the type of the Holy Place? No one but our HIGH PRIEST can "lead us into the presence of God": shouldn't the ZOEites and ACapella (Goat singers) be worried about getting PAID to claim to do that?
  • <font color=blue>But on the other hand, if people are limited to the inspired psalms of the scriptures in the worship of God, then those who use hymns of human composition are acting without divine authority, and may be said to resemble those of old who made use of strange fire in their censers before the Lord. Hugh Brown, Presbyterian.</font>
Those who have their degree in Nadab.Abihu.101 CANNOT look into the sealed envelope that singing Twila Paris or the "WorseShip Leader's" compositons IS taking strange fire into the "holy place" and they MAY ALREADY have scaly spots on their foreheads: maybe THIS is the mark of the beast (zoe)?

God slapped the CLERGY with Azazel or Scape Goating which was a GOAT (Capella) offered to appease Satan. The Scapegoat has the same meaning as the SORCERERS in Revelation 18 and the SORCERS are speakers, singers (a capella) and musicians working for the Babylon Harlot Church or CIRCE in John's view. So, when you hear the MUSIC of any kind replacing or GOING BEYOND what is written and DIRECT COMMANDED, and the singers are a CAPELLA or goat singers you know that you have done the Nadab and Abihu "worship service" and the only remedy is to be consumed, like the king/quee of Babylon, on a bed of maggots and fire in a place talled TOPHETH or "tambourine" which was king Solomon's Music Grove where THEY burned innocent children to get a VISION or VOICE directly from Molech also marked by SABBATH rituals.

I will be back!
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

September 25th, 2006, 9:20 pm #6

I think what you mean good doctor, is:
He who resorts to unreasonably long and inaccurate posts that are boring and full of lies has already lost.

Nadab is right. That rhetoric is ridiculous. If someone has a point, make it. Or if it's extremely long, post a link. It's not good internet ettiquette to post things like Ken Sublett seems to do daily. Of course, from reading around on this site, etiquette doesn't seem to be much of a priority here.

If you are such a defender of his Dr. Crump, would you mind telling us:
A.) Do you read all of his super-long posts?
B.) Do you agree with them?
Questioning me, attacking me, or riculing this site won't cancel the fact that "Nadab" doesn't offer anything sustantial to rebut Ken Sublett. If you think he is not telling the truth, then provide concrete evidence to the contrary and prove him wrong. That's the mature thing to do. If you consider some posts to be too long, no one is holding a gun to your head, for you always have the option not to read them. That's also the mature thing to do. The moderators here decide whether posts are appropriate or not.
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TMP

September 26th, 2006, 1:55 pm #7

Dr. Bill, you are right that we have the option of not reading Ken's post. In fact I believe any regular frequenter to this site skips Ken's posts. I know I do. I really don't think that Ken cares if anyone reads his posts, since complaints about him have surfaced for years and he continues to write long posts that don't seem to have any relevance to the topic at hand but somehow revolve around ancient mythology. So I do have a question...is there anyone who read Ken's posts on a regular basis? Dr. Bill? Donnie? anyone? If so, what do you gain from them? I am not being sarcastic or rude, but really want to know what you get out of them.

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<font color=blue size=3 face=times new roman>I must make a confession, and I hope I don't disappoint you too much. I know this is not the response you were expecting. But here goes it.

My confession is that I find Ken's posts extraordinary and scholarly and with much depth -- which may be a problem to shallow minds. I have learned many new things more from Ken's writings than from any of your favorite writers. I have also changed some of my "old" thinking as a result of Ken's excellent and unmatched researches and findings.

Donnie</font>
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Roger Bradley
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September 26th, 2006, 2:35 pm #8

Questioning me, attacking me, or riculing this site won't cancel the fact that "Nadab" doesn't offer anything sustantial to rebut Ken Sublett. If you think he is not telling the truth, then provide concrete evidence to the contrary and prove him wrong. That's the mature thing to do. If you consider some posts to be too long, no one is holding a gun to your head, for you always have the option not to read them. That's also the mature thing to do. The moderators here decide whether posts are appropriate or not.
Bill Crump,

I wonder why you didn't answer my questions:

If you are such a defender of his, Dr. Crump, would you mind telling us:
A.) Do you read all of his super-long posts?
B.) Do you agree with them?

Could it be that you agree with myself and Nadab (and from what I read on other threads- almost everyone else), that Ken Sublett tends to post things that are too long, don't make sense at best, and are untrue at worst??


Do I really need to post PROOF and EVIDENCE, that some of the junk he writes is just plain wrong????????? Take this for example:

"...the Bible is a condensed version of all of the wisdom of the world used by priests or magicians to try to relieve their own guilt by appeasing the "gods" meaning to to them "demons."

If you have an ounce of courage and honor Bill Crump, you write a post right now stating if you believe the above statement, written by Ken Sublett to be true.


I know that no one puts a gun to my head to read posts that are unreasonably long. Like I said, on internet bulletin boards, such as this, it is simply a matter of etiquette. And as I also said, I don't expect you to understand etiquette. You didn't.

After your tit-for-tat with the faithsite people about "eating crow", I find it amusing that you can with a straight face, even type the words: "That's the mature thing to do."

You seem to be concerned with people "personally attacking" others. In fact, you seem to be overly-paranoid about it. If you DO side with Sublett, I'm sure you will not have a double standard. I'm positive that you will publicly post a rebuke to him for referring to Nadab as Nablab.

I guess the bottom line is this Bill- Do you walk it, or just talk it?
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September 26th, 2006, 4:59 pm #9

This is my WITNESS which your captors CANNOT refute, that if you are engaging in any kind of "spiritual arousal" by jesting, rhetorical speakers, singers, clappers or players of instruments YOU have fallen and I don't expect you to EVER get up if all of the literature has any meaning. Just the same, I have to warn you that if your building has CHURCH on it you probably are in more of a "synagogue of Satan." Sure: not even Judas knew that he was indwelled when Jesus hand ground the SOP from which we get PSALLO or melody which IS NOT a music word. I would anticipate that Satan would mobilize His SEED to take over the pulpits in order as Jesus said of the doctors of the Law, to TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE. That is the MARK of music throughout the Bible.

For ALL churches which use any kind of "music" to control people long enough to pick the pockets of widows and honest workers, DAVID is YOUR saviour chosen over the Spiritual David.
  • David is the negative model of dominant clergy when they turn away from God and His Words. Don't ever worship the cross: it was a phallic symbol.
Therefore, you should eat, drink and make Mary because you have been taken captive and God is DRUMMING you into the place of buring with music (Isaiah 30LXX). "Leading" PhDuhs are teaching the Lord's Supper as a Jubilating sacrificial meal where God eats while we burn the fat. Others are mocking the literates for NOT using the Old Testament along with the New Testament as authority for faith and practice. They HALLUCINATE that churches of Christ invented "dispensational distinctions" but ALL scholars have always grasped that before these END TIMES when the GOYIM or NATIONAL worship of Babylon has been added as a CURSE all over again.

I would suggest that you have the musicators go NAKED as the way to ROB more seekers!

You must REMEMBER that David was chosen to help carry out the captivity and death penalty imposed because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai and which became "beyond redemption" when the elders demanded a SLICK PREACHER just like all of the other nations. God gave David a Jebusite High Place which is identified with Hagar, Egypt, Mount Sinai and Sodom.

The MONARCHY is symbolic (Jesus Matt 13) along with all of the stories: they are a historical record mostly of what NOT to do. However, in the end time the PLANET OF THE APES has come true and we have procured us some PhDuhs to show us how to worship the Atomic Bomb.

<font color=red>2 Sam 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel PLAYED before the Lord
  • on all manner of instruments made of fir wood,
    even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels,
    and on cornets, and on cymbals.
</font>This is identical to the SPORTING they forced on Samson where his GRINDING did not mean "grinding wheat" but serving as a concubine. This is identical to the RISING UP to play at Mount Sinai in perverted, musical idolatry of the TRINITY.

Don't tell any literate Bible student that God does not warn AGAINST this for the Church: there are numerous examples and Paul and Peter use Greek equivalent words to DIRECTLY COMMAND the church not to AROUSE or PLAY or SPORT during "Bible class."

The word PLAY was confessed by David to MAKE SELF VILE and he did it to be honored by the CAMP FOLLOWER GIRLS:
  • <font color=blue>Lu-do to sport, to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song:

    B. To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play," </font>

    Jesus identified the SECTARIAN HYPOCRITES by pointing to Isaiah and Ezekiel who speak of the same "love" songs, speaking and talented instruments.

    <font color=purple>Ov. A. A. 2, 389 Ovid's Art of Love: Book II.....Latin

    Or when she combs or when she curls her hair,
    Commend her curious art and gallant air.
    Singing, her voice, dancing, her steps, admire;
    Applaud when she desists, and still desire.

    Let all her words and actions wonder raise;
    View her with raptures, and with raptures praise
    Fierce as Medusa though your mistress prove,
    These arts will teach the stubborn beauty love.

    Be cautious lest you overact your part,
    And temper your HYPOCRISY with ART;
    Let no false action give your words the lie,
    For once deceiv'd, she's ever after shy.</font>

    <font color=blue>Ludo continued: C. Ludere aliquem or aliquid, to play, mock, imitate, to imitate work, make believe work, [PARASITES]</font>
The local ekklesia has no ROLES for preaching or music or other "staff infection." Therefore, the FOOLS who love to be fooled fall for the MAKE BELIEVE WORK. Paul and early history says "if they will not WORK neither shall they EAT." A PARASITE is one who produces no products.

Peter outlaws the similar PLEASING Paul outlawed for the synagogue in Romans 15:
  • <font color=red>2 Pet 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

    2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their OWN deceivings while they FEAST with you; </font>[all singers and musicians were called PARASITES]

    The same Peter said that one CORRUPTS the word when they "sell learning retail" or "hawk it all about" as the PRETEND work of the preachers seminars. Ezekiel said the false prophets and prophetesses go to these workshops to "steal words one from another."

    Sporting is<font color=blue> Entrupo (g1792) en-troo-fah'-o; from 1722 and 5171; to revel in: - sporting selves.

    Truphaô, ( [truphê] ) A. live SOFTLY, luxuriously, fare sumptuously, Paison, truphêson, zêson: [Points to ZOE]
    • Paison paizô [pais]
      4. to play (on an instrument), . II. to sport, play, jest, joke, to make sport of one, mock him, dance and sing,

      THE ZOE MARK FOR THE LITERATE.

      Zêson zaô I. to live, Hom., etc.; elenchiste zôontôn vilest of living men, rheia zôontes living at ease, of the gods, id=Il.; zôn katakauthênai to be BURNTALIVE alive, Hdt.:--also, zên apo tinos to live off or on a thing,

      Zôê A. living, i.e. one's substance, property, to get one's living by Hdt.8.105

      Zoe is also Rheia rhaidios theoi rheia zôontes the gods who live at ease, kitharis kai aoidê, rheia lightly, pleasantly,
    Truphaeo en tais ekklêsiais t. kai kolakeuestha [DOING IT IN CHURCH] </font>

    Similar Greek which they TRIED on Jesus and he called them CHILDREN playing in the Agora where perverted worship took place.

    <font color=blue>Huporcheomai , External HEART attack.
    A. dance with or to music, pros de kardiai phobos aidein goous sing and dance a lament, Hld.6.8.
    II. sing and dance a character, of a pantomimic actor, Luc.Salt.16.
    • Phobos Phobos is personified as son of Ares ABADDON.
      II. panic fear, such as causes flight
    </font>
    The FEAR is caused by SINGING which SATAN sells as "spiritual."

    <font color=blue>Aeidô of other sounds, twang, of the bow-string, Od.21.411; whistle, of the wind through a tree, Mosch.Fr.1.8; ring, of a stone when struck, Theoc.7.26:--prov., prin nenikêkenai aidein 'to crow too soon',</font>
Back to David: David was wearing the Ephod which was a feminine garment for the priesthood which was like ALL national priesthoods and NOT an approved PATTERNISM. No one doubts that he WENT NAKED. Other words define the naked PLAY:
  • <font color=blue>Nu-do I. to make naked or bare; to strip, bare, lay bare, expose to view, uncover (syn.: exuo, detego, revelo).

    Scurra, ae, m. 1. A city buffoon, droll, JESTER (usually in the suite of wealthy persons, and accordingly a kind of PARASITE; syn.: -Of the clown in a pantomime, Juv. 13, sannio, parasitus) urbani assidui cives, venustissimus, rhetores

    Delicatus I. That gives pleasure, i. e. alluring, charming, delightful; luxurious, voluptuous.

    B. Transf., SOFT, tender, delicate (poet. and in post-Aug. prose): CAPELLA [She Goat], Cat. 20, 10 ; II. Addicted to pleasure; luxurious, voluptuous; and subst., a voluptuary, a wanton.

    Judges 6. [20] Then David returned to bless his household. Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel today, who uncovered himself today in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovers himself! [21] David said to Michal, [It was] before Yahweh, who chose me above your father, and above all his house, to appoint me prince over the people of Yahweh, over Israel: therefore will I play before Yahweh. [22] I will be yet more vile than this, and will be base in my own sight: but of the handmaids of whom you have spoken, of them shall I be had in honor.
    • Sannio, o-nis, m. [sanna] ,
      I. one who makes mimicking grimaces, a buffoon (cf. scurra),

      Parasi-tus, i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence, parasitus Phoebi, a player, actor [For APOLLO or Apollyon]
    II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by flattery and buffoonery, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite </font>
<font color=red>2 Sam 6:13 And it was so, that when they that bare the ark of the Lord had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatlings.

2 Sam 6:14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.</font>

Of the Spiritual David, however, Paul said that He did not PLEASE HIMSELF or LIFT UP with mental anxiety:
  • <font color=purple>Isa 42:2 He shall NO cry, nor LIFT UP, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. </font>

    Greek: <font color=purple>H6817 tsaaq tsaw-ak' A primitive root; to shriek; (by implication) to proclaim (an assembly): X at all, call together, cry (out), gather (selves) (together).</font>

    Latin: <font color=purple>Cla-mo, a-vi, a-tum, 1, v. n. and

    I. a. [Sanscr. kar-, to CELEBRATE; Gr. kaleô, klêtos; cf.: clarus, classis, nomenclator, CONCILIUM]. </font>
I HOPE SOMEONE WILL GRASP THAT THE PROPHECY WAS THAT JESUS WOULD NOT DO WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR! Paul OUTLAWED the same kind of DIALOGING assembly devoted to SELF PLEASING or CONCILIUM. This is IDENTICAL to the Community Churches or COMMUNES which plan to provide COMMUNITY to involve most of your life and FINANCES. Yes, the PLANET OF THE APES was a SUPERNATURAL REVELATION.
  • <font color=red>Jesus replaced by the PREACHER</font><font color=blue> The president was the archiereus, or sacerdos [priest]... </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> After the concilium had taken part in the religious festival, it met again for the conduct of business. </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> Its first duty was to pass the accounts of the expenditure connected with the provincial temple to Augustus, and to provide for the maintenance of the worship for the coming year; </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> but then it was entitled to criticise the conduct of the governor, and either vote thanks to him or lay a complaint before the emperor (cf. the Inscription of Torigny, edited by Mommsen), which was frequently followed by his accusation ( Epist. vii. 6). </font>

    <font color=red>Jesus won't go there:</font><font color=blue> In this manner some control was exercised over the governor, and there was some approach to the creation of a representative body.</font>
The word PLEASE or ARESKOS outlaws any accomodation for people who have DIVERSE backgrounds because the object is not to CELEBRATE but to READ and DIALOG "That which is written" or "Scripture." Paul uses the word SPEAK in an external sense and there is NO MUSIC in the "school room" children!
  • Clamo continued: <font color=purple> -Of the CHIRIPING of a cricket: (CICADA) multo validius clamare occoepit, Phaedr. 3, 16, 7 .--Of the roaring of waters, </font>
Jesus invites the TWOS and THREES to "come learn of me" beside STILL WATERS: Lambs WILL NOT drink from rushing waters and that is why SATAN uses the musical sounds to starve you to death for the WORD (Amos 5-8; Isaiah 5)

The cicada is the MUSICAL LOCUSTS which John uses to identify the singers and musicians as the MUSES which is the MARK of Apollyon worship. Welcome to the Planet of the Apes.
  • <font color=blue>Chirruping a humming, twanging, phormingôn [harp], chirruping of cicada, mere sound or twittering
    • Teret-isma, A. a humming, twanging, phormingôn, a mere sound or twittering, teretismata ta eidê (the Platonic ideas)

    The Phorminx is ESPECIALLY the Instrument of APOLLO [Apollyon, Abaddon]. 2. ph. achordos, metaph. for a bow,

    Homer, Iliad 1. So he spoke, and the goddess, white-armed Hera, smiled, [595] and smiling took in her hand the cup from her son. Then he poured wine for all the other gods from left to right, drawing forth sweet nectar from the bowl. And unquenchable laughter arose among the blessed gods, as they saw Hephaestus puffing through the palace. [600] Thus the whole day long till the setting of the sun
    • they feasted,
      nor did their heart lack anything of the equal feast,
      nor of the beauteous lyre, that Apollo held,
      nor yet of the Muses, who sang,
      replying
      one to the other with sweet voices.
    But when the bright light of the sun was set, [605] they went each to his own house to take their rest, where for each one a palace had been built with cunning skill by the famed Hephaestus, the limping god; and Zeus, the Olympian, lord of the lightning, went to his couch, where of old he took his rest, whenever sweet sleep came upon him. [610] There went he up and slept, and beside him lay Hera of the golden throne.

    Homer, Odyssey 17. And Odysseus and the goodly swineherd halted as they drew nigh,
    • and about them rang the sound of the hollow lyre,
      for Phemius was striking the chords to sing before the wooers.
    Then Odysseus clasped the swineherd by the hand, and said: "Eumaeus, surely this is the beautiful house of Odysseus. [265] Easily might it be known, though seen among many. There is building upon building, and the court is built with wall and coping, and the double gates are well-fenced; no man may scorn it. And I mark that in the house itself many [270] men are feasting: for the savour of meat arises from it, and therewith resounds the voice of the lyre, which the gods have made the companion of the feast."

    The Fables of Phaedrus The Locusts or Grasshoppers of John's Revelation :

    Those who will not the forms obey
    To be obliging in their way,
    Must often punishment abide
    For their ill-nature, and their pride.

    A Grasshopper, in rank ill-will,
    Was very loud and very shrill
    Against a sapient Owl's repose,
    Who was compelled by day to doze

    The Owl perceiving no redress,
    And that her words were less and less
    Accounted of, no longer pray'd,
    But thus an artifice essay'd:

    "Since 'tis impossible to nod,
    While harping like the Delphian god, [Apollo]
    You charm our ears, stead of a nap,
    A batch of nectar will I tap,

    Which lately from Minerva came;
    Now if you do not scorn the same,
    Together let us bumpers ply."
    The Grasshopper, extremely dry,

    And, finding she had hit the key
    That gain'd applause, approach'd with glee;
    At which the Owl upon her flew,
    And quick the trembling vixen slew.

    Thus by her death she was adjudged
    To give what in her life she grudged. </font>
Because you have the best hypocrites money can procure (speakers, singers, musicians) you UNDOUBTEDLY remember that the Abomination of Desolation was still favored among the "Jews" who were not Israelites and that included Dionysus worship with sex, perversion and music right there in the Holy Places." Therefore, they hoped that Messiah would be Dionysus so they tried to TRIUMPH OVER or force Jesus to BOW TO BAAL in the Dionysus "initiation" so that he would wail and dance while they PIPED. The MARK therefore of the end time Babylon Whore (Circe, church) is the singers and clappers: if you PAY then you are one of them.

<font color=red>2 Sam 6:15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.</font>
  • <font color=blue>Ju-bilo, a-vi, a-tum, 1, v. n. and

    I. a. [jubilum], to shout, to raise a shout of joy: quiritare, jubilare, Varr. L. L. 6, § 68 Müll.: aliquem, to call out to a person: io buccol quis me jubilat? Poet. ib.: jubilate Deo, </font>
This is the alarm or triumph over God outlawed for the "church in the wilderness] In the Greek, This is what Paul condemned in 1 Cor 13:
  • <font color=blue>Alal-azô, [Lord, Lord prophesying]
    • <font color=purple>Defining DAVID's dance: "The 'whirling dervishes' gyrate round their sheikh in a representation of the planets circling the sun... The dervishes whirl on their own axes and also in orbit, reciting inwardly the name of God: Alah, Alah, Alah. With closed eyes they whirl, to the music of flutes, drums and strings, seeking union with the divine, till they cease and return to stillness." (Parrinder, Geoffrey, Mysticism in the World's Religions, Oxford University , p. 131).

      "It was probably usual to welcome a king or general with music and dancing...The distinctly religious dance is more frequently mentioned. The clear instances of it in the Bible are the dance of the women of Israel at the Red Sea, headed by Miriam with her tambourine (Exodus 15:20); the dance of the Israelites round the golden calf (Exodus 32:19); the dance of the maidens of Shiloah at the annual feast (Judges 21:19 ff); the leaping or limping of the prophets of Baal round their altar on Carmel (1 Kings 18:26); and the dancing of David in front of the ark (2 Samuel 6:14-16) (Int. Std. Bible Ency., p. 1169-70)

      Thayer's Lexicon puts it, to go 'la-la'. The Greeks shouted 'alala' both in worship and in war, and personified Alala as a deity (Pindar, Fr. 208 [78]; Plutarch 2.3496). It was this same repetitive and meaningless syllabification in pagan prayers which Jesus described: 'for they think they shall be heard for their much speaking' (Matthew 6:7) </font>
    A. (formed from the cry alalai): --raise the war-cry, NIKE alalazein shout the shout of victory, S.Ant.133. [NIKE over the LAITY: Nicolatains]

    2. generally, cry, shout aloud, in orgiastic rites, A.Fr.57; of Bacchus and Bacchae, [Dionysus]

    3. rarely of a cry of pain or grief, êlalaze dusthnêskôn phonhô E.El.843 , LXX Je.4.8, al., Ev.Marc. 5.38, Plu.Luc28. </font>
This is where Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels LIKE DUNG because ALL musical minstrels were misleading you for CASH.
  • <font color=blue>II. rarely also of other sounds than the voice, sound loudly, psalmos d' alalazei A.Fr.57 ; kumbalon alalazon 1 Ep.Cor.13.1 .--Poet. word, used by X. and in late Prose.

    Quiri-to of an ORATOR, to scream, shriek out, cry aloud something

    Clangor, o-ris, m. [clango] , I. a sound, CLANG, noise (mostly poet. and in Aug. prose). I. Of wind instruments: tubarum,</font>
Do YOU get the meaning of a JUBILEE? Or a Jubilating sacrificial meal with God?

I will post a link on my home page when I clean this up. I suggest you read this rather than mock: that is THE MARK. Yes, I know that I am not a Greek scholar so the scholars have to TRUMP all of the clear statements of Scripture before they can escape burning times for deliberately sowing discord: Peter identifes them as the beast people.
Be aware that the Law was not GOD'S FIRST CHOICE OF A PLAN OF SALVATION which failed! During all periods people were justified or approved by God ONE AT A TIME based on their own practice of doing right and practicing social justice. They assembled in the Qahal, synagogue or "church in the wilderness" to read and discuss the Word of God and THAT has barely changed except for the Lord's Supper. No: there is no LAW of preaching, no LAW of listening, no LAW of singing and no LAW of "laying by in store" to feed a priesthood NECESSARY for national sacrifices only because they were under a curse. Most assuredly is there NO MONEY for CAPPELA or "goat singers" who were always INDWELLED by Azazel or one of the fallen angels. Jude calls them "wandering stars" or fallen angels. Hell or Topheth is specificially prepared to drive them there with musical instruments (Isaiah 30)

Azazel or Satan was the God of all "national" animal sacrifice centers. God KNEW that they offered the sacrifice to Him but THEY ate the flesh and that is what it was all about under the SCAPEGOAT imposed after the Nadab and Abihu fall from grace representing all sinners. All ancient views was that it was Azazel and other fallen angels who used the Lamech family of Jubal, Jabal, Tubal-Cain and Naamah to use music, warfare, stealing and enchantment to collect the free animals and then SELL them back to the owners. The musical idolatry at Mount Sinai was by a people God was justified to leave in Egypt to self destruct. The law was to LEGISLATE for the LAWLESS.

Because God Abandoned the Israelites to "worship the starry host," we cannot doubt that at EVERY OPPORTUNITY Satan would try to INTRUDE and get worship for HIMSELF. The scapegoat was Israel's curse to appease Satan.
  • <font color=red>The azazel or SCAPEGOAT was added after this sin of Nadab and Abihu. Azazel and other fallen agents of Satan or Lucifer taught mortals how to use music and other ARTS AND CRAFTS to IMPROVE on the silence of God.</font>
Jude and Peter warn us FOR WHOM God will come to execute Judgment. This story is well documented in the Lamech family of Jubal who HANDLED instruments WITHOUT AUTHORITY and and below is the DIRECT NAMING of part of the "heavenly host" to which God had abandoned Israel BECAUSE of musical idolatry at the foot of Mount Sinai. This story is repeated in The Book of Enoch and various other ancient documents to expand on the MUSIC IS IDOLATRY theme.
  • <font color=blue>Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
    Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
    Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    Col 2:17 Which are a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ. </font>
That does NOT mean that they were OLD APPROVED PATTERNS: they FLATLY STOPPED the light from being spread. That DOES NOT mean that God approved musical instruments in the OBSOLETE model. That MEANS that the universal meaning of MUSIC is to tell God to "shut your face." That is STILL the only meaning.

That means don't let ANY man IMPOSE these rituals now full blown in Sabbath "worship" services where the Lord's Supper is polluted with music and menstrual odors.

A SHADOW is what you see when the Nadab and Abihus try to stand in the Holy Place offering the songs or prayers as the INCENSE for believers. When you defeat Satan and his agents who were identified as using music because it enchants or bewitches and is defined as sorcery, there there is NO ONE standing between you and God and you SEE God in Jesus Christ who was to be REPROACHED or made naked by those SELF-PLEASING which Paul outlawed for the synagogue (Rom 15).
  • <font color=blue>G4639 skia skee'-ah Apparently a primary word; "shade" or a shadow (literally or figuratively darkness of ERROR or an ADUMBRATION): -- shadow.

    Skia
    1. shadow
    • 1. shade caused by the INTERCEPTION of light
      2. an image cast by an object and representing the form of that object
      3. a sketch, outline, ADUMBRATION [obscuring]
    </font>
We told you about the Cainites where Cain was OF that wicked one because Eve was WHOLLY SEDUCED, according to Paul, like a new bride. The SHADES continued and brought on the flood.

We told you that the Lucifer Principle is that he/she tried to BLEED OFF worship due only to a Spirit God to him/herself as the "singing and harp playing prostitute" even in the garden of Eden. Anyone PERFORMING as speakers, singers, musicians or actors are identified by the Greek language as HYPOCRITES. Jesus identified them as performing MOUTH religion.

The Cainites survived the flood and are noted to have restarted MUSICAL IDOLATRY right off the ark as well documented in the Babylonian tablets and defended by later scholars. That is why God removed Abraham, his family and disciples to Canaan.
  • <font color=blue>Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

    Gen 4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

    Gen 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.</font>
As there is the story of the TWO SONS there is also the story of TWO LAMECHS. The evil Lamech has the same logogram as EA the Babylonian patron god of music in Babylon. It was his daughter, Inanna, who got him drunk and stole all of the MEs or magical enchantments including the "right of the eldership, the power to navigate the gates of hell, the power of musical performers and the power to kiss the Phallus and more.

The names of the wives have the following meaning understood by Paul when he silenced women in the assembly:
  • <font color=blue>H5710 Adah aw-daw' A primitive root; to advance, that is, pass on or continue; causatively to REMOVE; specifically to BEDECK (that is, bring an ORNAMENT upon): adorn, deck (self), pass by, TAKE AWAY.

    H5708 Ud ayd From an unused root meaning to set a period (compare H5710 and H5749 ); the menstrual flux (as periodical); by implication (in plural) soiling: filthy</font>
One word for Abomination (of desolation) involves bringing menstrual odors into the presence of God in STAND UP or PRESIDE OVER roles.

Remember what Paul said about Eve and outlawing ADVANCING or USURPING authority and of PUTTING ON OF APPAREL or ornaments?
  • <font color=blue>H6738 TSEL tsale From H6751 ; SHADE, whether literally or figuratively:defence, shade (-ow).

    Clacal (h6767) TSEL-aw-tsal'; from 6749 redupl.; a clatter, i. e. (abstr.) whirring (of wings); (concr.) a cricket; also a harpoon (as rattling), a cymbal (as clanging): - cymbal, locust, SHADOWING, spear.

    All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume. De.28:42

    And David and all the house of Israel played before the Lord on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals. 2S.6:5</font>
We will just look at JUBAL who is the MUSICAL guy from HELL:
  • <font color=purple>Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as HANDLE the harp and organ.
    • HANDLE is: H8610 taphas taw-fas' A primitive root; to manipulate, that is, seize; chiefly to capture, wield; specifically to overlay; figuratively to use UNWARRANTABLY--catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, X surely, surprise, take.

      H8608 taphaph taw-faf' A primitive root; to drum, that is, play (as) on the tambourine:taber, play with timbrels.

      H8611 tôpheth to'-feth From the base of H8608 ; a smiting, that is, (figuratively) contempt:--tabret.

      H8612 tôpheth to'-feth The same as H8611 ; Topheth, a place near Jerusalem:--Tophet, Topheth.
    </font>
Because CAIN (from a musical note or lance) was OF that wicked one, it is not surprising that scholars understood how the SHADOWS continued to be CAST by Lucifer "the singing and harp playing prostitute." Remember the NAMES of the polygamous mother who produced music, stealing cattle (memblers), murder and enchantement.
In the book of Enoch, Watchers, Chapter 8
  • <font color=blue>1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all

    2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they

    3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .</font>
The Books of Adam and Eve tells the same where the "enchantments" is the message of the Scape Goat which is PHARMAKIA or the SORCERY John accuses the speakers, singers and musicians of in Romans 18 in the END-TIME highly-detailed FULFILLMENT of the PATTERNISM. This agrees with the Bible that all of the FALLS are attributed to Satan's youth ministers making music. I have collected three dozen similar accounts of the universal believe and have posted them.
  • <font color=blue>It was the Cainite's punishment to have a hundred daughters borne them for each son; and this led to such husband-hunger that their women began to raid houses and carry off men.

    One day it pleased them to seduce them Sethites, after daubing their faces with rouge and powder, their eyes with antimony, and the soles of their feet with scarlet, dyeing their hair, putting on golden earrings, golden anklets, bracelets, and many-colored garments.
    • In their ascent of the holy mountain,
      they twanged harps, blew trumpets, beat drums, sang, danced, clapped hands;
      then, having addressed the five hundred and twenty anchorites in cheerful voices,
      each caught hold of her victim and seduced him.

      These Sethites, after once succumbing to the Cainite women's blandishments, became more unclean than dogs,[Catamites whom Paul said would be OUTSIDE so they MUST worship in the place of the human spirit and NOT let the "pleasure pals" into the congregation.]

      and utterly forgot God's laws.
    </font>
Read what Paul said in Romans 1. This is a repeat of the FALLS defined by the Jubal family creating the flood, the FALL into musical idolatry at Mount Sinai and the "flood" motif of Israel in Jeremiah 4.

Genun (Geni) is the prime name of JUBAL who was the "music minister" for Azazel leading Nadab and Abihu and helped destroy that race because he was a Cainite or Kenite meaning the generation of VIPERS John refused to baptized and the Seed of the Devil whom Jesus refused to speak without using parables to HIDE the truth from them. This is the meaning of the JUBILEE which was always held FOR THE ATONEMENT and loud blowing of Yobels or trumpets.
  • <font color=blue>(r) Genun [Jubal and family] the Canaanite, son of Lamech the Blind, living in the Land of the Slime Pits,
    • was ruled by AZAEL [Azazeel] from his earliest YOUTH,
      and invented all sorts of musical instruments.
      When he played these, Azael entered into them too,

      You remember that David tried to AWAKEN his LYRE so he could Awaken the DAWN. All pagans believed that the demons ENTERED into and spoke through the musical sound. See Hab 2:19-20.

      so that they gave forth seductive tunes ENTRANCING the hearts of all listeners.

      John said that the speakers, singers and musicians were SORCERERS.
    Genun would assemble companies of musicians,
    who inflamed one another with music until their lust burned bright like fire,

    ZOE forced the dumb "jehovah and logos" to form these "musical worship teams" to worship ZOE who is LUCIFER

    and they lay together promiscuously. He also brewed beer, gathered great crowds in taverns, gave them to drink, and taught them to forge iron swords and spear-points, with which to do murder at random when they were drunk.</font>
This is the meaning of the worship of the New WINESKIN god, Dionysus, representing The Abomination in the Temple and the Kenite SECTS whom Jesus accused of being WINESKINNERS. Shelly and Lucado claim that "the holy spirit" is God's song writer and dance master and the aka Vineyard says that God is the "holy bartender."

Rehearse: Israel worshipped the STARRY HOST under Apis represenging the Egyptian trinity with music. God saw this as their PRAYER and so he TURNED THEM OVER to worship the starry host (Acts 7 etal). God saw the Nadab and Abihu event as a PRAYER and God imposed the SCAPE GOAT which was to appease AZAZEL or Satan.

Modern musical performers (Jesus called them hypocrites and cast them out like dung) are APPEASING Apollyon as his MUSES (Locusts) and THAT is why they are able to escape the present reproaces of a Christian and SUCK IN THE SEEKERS. That is the story of the Jubal family and of Inanna in the Babylonian tablets. Moses wrote to WARN the people and try to protect them from the Canaanite or Babylonian Baalism but God carried out his judgment and moved them into BABYLON. And that is where you find the MANY of modern religionists because Peter said that MOST corrupt the Word meaning to "sell it at retail" as adulterers.

More scape goating where the MUSICATORS try to make the NON-instrumental churches the SCAPEGOAT or Satanic to DIVERT the wrath from themselves as the GUILTY PARTY.

Remember that the Judas Bag was "for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments" and is always shown attached to a flute case and perverted musicians. But, Psalm 41 promises that Judas would not TRIUMPH OVER or ALARM Jesus and Jesus and faithful believers refused to BOW and do the lament (bowing hurts) and dance of the Dionysus Abomination of Desolation when they PIPED.
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September 27th, 2006, 4:39 am #10

Dr. Bill, you are right that we have the option of not reading Ken's post. In fact I believe any regular frequenter to this site skips Ken's posts. I know I do. I really don't think that Ken cares if anyone reads his posts, since complaints about him have surfaced for years and he continues to write long posts that don't seem to have any relevance to the topic at hand but somehow revolve around ancient mythology. So I do have a question...is there anyone who read Ken's posts on a regular basis? Dr. Bill? Donnie? anyone? If so, what do you gain from them? I am not being sarcastic or rude, but really want to know what you get out of them.

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<font color=blue size=3 face=times new roman>I must make a confession, and I hope I don't disappoint you too much. I know this is not the response you were expecting. But here goes it.

My confession is that I find Ken's posts extraordinary and scholarly and with much depth -- which may be a problem to shallow minds. I have learned many new things more from Ken's writings than from any of your favorite writers. I have also changed some of my "old" thinking as a result of Ken's excellent and unmatched researches and findings.

Donnie</font>
I am not really surprised at your answer. In fact, I'm sorta glad you read and agree with his posts. Although I did find your shallow minds comment and jabs about my favorite authors a little petty. BTW the last book I read was a biography on Augustine...not particularly shallow, and quite scholarly if I say so myself. And no I don't hold any Bible degrees either.

I have two really big arguments with Ken. 1) He is always trying to pick a fight (PhDuh, constant sexual references...the cross is a phallic symbol, please...), and 2) He rambles, often copying and pasting from other places, instead of making clear succinct points. Case in point, I copied his previous post into Word and it ended up being 8 pages and 39 paragraphs. I actually did scan it and pretty much can sum it up in two sentences. The church is supposed to be an ekklesia (school of the Bible) without paid staff. If your church is anything else it is sexually perverted.

So here is where I want you to humor me Donnie by answering two questions. 1) Did you read Ken's previous post completely before myself or Nadab said anything? 2) If you disagree with my summary of Ken's post can you summarize it for shallow minds then? I am really interested in your answers and will keep it respectful. I don't like it any more when the "liberals" resort to cheap shots than the "conservatives."

Dr. Bill, you are more than welcome to answer my questions, but from our history I think I already know you will refuse. Ken, you are more than welcome to lambast me, but I'm really interested in seeing what your readers think.
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