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October 17th, 2011, 11:30 pm #1

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,
....Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
....unto one of the least of these my brethren,
....ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
....Depart from me, ye cursed,
....into everlasting fire,
<font color="#FFFFFF">....
prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred,
....and ye gave me no meat:
....I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

http://piney.com/Matthew.25-40.Ye.Have. ... to.Me.html

Because in Amos, the people had David's musical performance IN the temple Christ prophesied that their songs in the temple would be turned into howlings.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD,
....that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread,
....nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
....they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Christ in Isaiah had the same warning about those who used musical instruments in their religious festivals:

Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine,
....are in their feasts: [religious festivals]
....but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity,
....because they have no knowledge:
....and their honourable men are famished,
....and their multitude dried up with thirst.
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself,
....and opened her mouth without measure:
....and their glory, and their multitude,
....and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Sublimis: B. In partic., of language, lofty, elevated, sublime (freq. in Quint.): sublimia carmina, Juv. 7, 28: verbum, Quint. 8, 3, 18: clara et sublimia verba, id. ib.: oratio,
Action versus Submission.

Carmen I. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental. Oratory.
II. Esp., a composition in verse, a poem; poetry, verse, song, whether in a broader sense, of every kind of poetic production, epic, dramatic
With allusion to playing on the cithara: [guitar]


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October 18th, 2011, 4:40 am #2

Ken,
Wonder why you left out the first few verses of Isaiah 5?
1 I will sing for the one I love
a song about his vineyard:
My loved one had a vineyard
on a fertile hillside.


Did the singing get to you? I just made that up, didn't I? The author couldn't have been talking about singing.....could he?


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October 18th, 2011, 5:24 pm #3

Isaiah 5 and God singing to Israel is the MARK that they have been turned over to the "beasts" or massed multitudes to eat up all of their work.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.Five.html

Israel is a term used for those God called out of Egypt. That is a TYPE of God calling Jesus out of Egypt. And because the Spirit OF Christ inspired the prophets; and they define the future spiritual Israel--the Church of Christ--both inclusively and exclusively. Christ quarantined the godly people to the synagogue and from the sacrificial system with loud noise as the meaning of "the worship of the starry host."

Isaiah 5:1 Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard.
My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:


When God "sings" to people it is a MARK that people have gone beyond redemption because they engaged in musical rituals and refused to teach the children that which God composed: if you will SING this song next week the silly people will sit down.

Isaiah 5:2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

Rubel Shelly--one of the first Changelings--wrote an article on Isaiah 5 and MISSED the punch line. People who have FALLEN into the Music=Worship fallacy will NEVER be able to read parables again and therefore MUST go into captivity to a mega-church (big or small). There, in John's message the Locusts=Muses will hold you captive and separate you from the godly people (Rev 17-18)

Isaiah 5:3 And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.

Isaiah 5:4 What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

Isaiah 5:5 And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:


That happened with the Promise Keepers onward.

Isaiah 5:6 And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

Isaiah 5:7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

Isaiah 5:8 Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!
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October 19th, 2011, 1:47 am #4

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,
....Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
....unto one of the least of these my brethren,
....ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
....Depart from me, ye cursed,
....into everlasting fire,
<font color="#FFFFFF">....
prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred,
....and ye gave me no meat:
....I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

http://piney.com/Matthew.25-40.Ye.Have. ... to.Me.html

Because in Amos, the people had David's musical performance IN the temple Christ prophesied that their songs in the temple would be turned into howlings.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD,
....that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread,
....nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
....they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Christ in Isaiah had the same warning about those who used musical instruments in their religious festivals:

Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine,
....are in their feasts: [religious festivals]
....but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity,
....because they have no knowledge:
....and their honourable men are famished,
....and their multitude dried up with thirst.
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself,
....and opened her mouth without measure:
....and their glory, and their multitude,
....and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Sublimis: B. In partic., of language, lofty, elevated, sublime (freq. in Quint.): sublimia carmina, Juv. 7, 28: verbum, Quint. 8, 3, 18: clara et sublimia verba, id. ib.: oratio,
Action versus Submission.

Carmen I. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental. Oratory.
II. Esp., a composition in verse, a poem; poetry, verse, song, whether in a broader sense, of every kind of poetic production, epic, dramatic
With allusion to playing on the cithara: [guitar]


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Ken,
You are all about excuses and backing up. After you are confronted with the verses that you left out, then the stamering begins. So with God singing in verse one, is that bad?
DIG HARD Ken....you will think of something.
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October 19th, 2011, 2:31 am #5

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,
....Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
....unto one of the least of these my brethren,
....ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
....Depart from me, ye cursed,
....into everlasting fire,
<font color="#FFFFFF">....
prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred,
....and ye gave me no meat:
....I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

http://piney.com/Matthew.25-40.Ye.Have. ... to.Me.html

Because in Amos, the people had David's musical performance IN the temple Christ prophesied that their songs in the temple would be turned into howlings.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD,
....that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread,
....nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
....they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Christ in Isaiah had the same warning about those who used musical instruments in their religious festivals:

Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine,
....are in their feasts: [religious festivals]
....but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity,
....because they have no knowledge:
....and their honourable men are famished,
....and their multitude dried up with thirst.
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself,
....and opened her mouth without measure:
....and their glory, and their multitude,
....and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Sublimis: B. In partic., of language, lofty, elevated, sublime (freq. in Quint.): sublimia carmina, Juv. 7, 28: verbum, Quint. 8, 3, 18: clara et sublimia verba, id. ib.: oratio,
Action versus Submission.

Carmen I. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental. Oratory.
II. Esp., a composition in verse, a poem; poetry, verse, song, whether in a broader sense, of every kind of poetic production, epic, dramatic
With allusion to playing on the cithara: [guitar]


Don't be surprised that people WANT you to be deceived.</font>
We are pretending that you have never read the whole chapter before: I noted that Rubel Shelly preached a "social justice" kinda thingy on Isaiah 5 and never grasped that Christ was pouring out the fuel to burn those who steadfastly compose their own songs and sermons and REFUSE to give meat and drink to the children. Thatis why justice DEMANDS a hell.

Now, you might want to know that Jesus whom God made to be both Lord and Christ makes these prophecies more certain. In case no one can PREACH Mark 12 by READING Mark 12 I will move to step two before looking at the rest.

I TOLD you that when God sings to the people it is always a BURDEN or DOOM. That's how you can MARK false teachers whom you feed but have their own hidden agenda.




Those who corrupt the Word meaning "selling learning at retail" even adding wine to the pure water of the Word (Isaiah 55) which outlaws speaking your own words (Isaiah 58) use the Levites as their PATTERNISM when the Levites performed Soothsaying with Instrumental accompaniment.

They claim that God wasn't as bright as they and was SILENT on just those thing we neet to keep our Ziggurats producing. The missed the fact that Christ defined the Church of Christ in the wilderness to EXCLUDE "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" because the PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH was to Rest, Read and Rehears the Word of God. They missed the point that Christ further defined his future REST both inclusively and exclusively in the prophets.
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October 19th, 2011, 4:00 pm #6

Now that we have seen that Christ in Isaiah 5 MARKS musical instruments as the cause of the people hungering and thirsting for the Word of God; and have looked at Jesus affirming that prophecy in Isaiah 12, we will go back to Isaiah 5.



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October 21st, 2011, 4:13 am #7

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,
....Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
....unto one of the least of these my brethren,
....ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
....Depart from me, ye cursed,
....into everlasting fire,
<font color="#FFFFFF">....
prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred,
....and ye gave me no meat:
....I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

http://piney.com/Matthew.25-40.Ye.Have. ... to.Me.html

Because in Amos, the people had David's musical performance IN the temple Christ prophesied that their songs in the temple would be turned into howlings.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD,
....that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread,
....nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
....they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Christ in Isaiah had the same warning about those who used musical instruments in their religious festivals:

Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine,
....are in their feasts: [religious festivals]
....but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity,
....because they have no knowledge:
....and their honourable men are famished,
....and their multitude dried up with thirst.
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself,
....and opened her mouth without measure:
....and their glory, and their multitude,
....and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Sublimis: B. In partic., of language, lofty, elevated, sublime (freq. in Quint.): sublimia carmina, Juv. 7, 28: verbum, Quint. 8, 3, 18: clara et sublimia verba, id. ib.: oratio,
Action versus Submission.

Carmen I. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental. Oratory.
II. Esp., a composition in verse, a poem; poetry, verse, song, whether in a broader sense, of every kind of poetic production, epic, dramatic
With allusion to playing on the cithara: [guitar]


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Ken, you said "I TOLD you that when God sings to the people it is always a BURDEN or DOOM."

It kills you when someone uses sound Scripture against your man-made logic, but here goes again.

Mark 16
26 When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

First of all, for those of the learning impaired the "they" included Jesus, the Son of God, the Word, yes Ken, even God Himself. So now, take your time again and tell us that God...THROUGH Jesus....IN Jesus also, as you said sang of a burden or of doom in Mark 16. WRONG! It had NOTHING to do with burden or doom.

Ken, you need to admit it that you just don't know half as much as you give yourself credit. You need to quit making it up to suit your needs. It makes you look juvenile.
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October 21st, 2011, 4:16 am #8

Jesus did not "sang" a hymn: he just HYMNED.

The word is DICO which means to SPEAK: you know "SPEAK to one another..."

He didn't sing it in YOUR Kirk.
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October 21st, 2011, 4:49 am #9

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them,
....Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it
....unto one of the least of these my brethren,
....ye have done it unto me.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
....Depart from me, ye cursed,
....into everlasting fire,
<font color="#FFFFFF">....
prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred,
....and ye gave me no meat:
....I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

http://piney.com/Matthew.25-40.Ye.Have. ... to.Me.html

Because in Amos, the people had David's musical performance IN the temple Christ prophesied that their songs in the temple would be turned into howlings.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD,
....that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread,
....nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
....they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Christ in Isaiah had the same warning about those who used musical instruments in their religious festivals:

Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine,
....are in their feasts: [religious festivals]
....but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity,
....because they have no knowledge:
....and their honourable men are famished,
....and their multitude dried up with thirst.
Isaiah 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself,
....and opened her mouth without measure:
....and their glory, and their multitude,
....and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Sublimis: B. In partic., of language, lofty, elevated, sublime (freq. in Quint.): sublimia carmina, Juv. 7, 28: verbum, Quint. 8, 3, 18: clara et sublimia verba, id. ib.: oratio,
Action versus Submission.

Carmen I. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental. Oratory.
II. Esp., a composition in verse, a poem; poetry, verse, song, whether in a broader sense, of every kind of poetic production, epic, dramatic
With allusion to playing on the cithara: [guitar]


Don't be surprised that people WANT you to be deceived.</font>
New International Version (©1984)
When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then they sang a hymn and went out to the Mount of Olives.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
After singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

International Standard Version (©2008)
After singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And they sang praises, and they went out toTur Zaytay.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
After they sang a hymn, they went to the Mount of Olives.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And when they had sung a hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

American King James Version
And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

American Standard Version
And when they had sung a hymn, they went out unto the mount of Olives.

Bible in Basic English
And after a song of praise to God they went out to the Mountain of Olives.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And when they had said an hymn, they went forth to the mount of Olives.

Darby Bible Translation
And having sung a hymn, they went out to the mount of Olives.

English Revised Version
And when they had sung a hymn, they went out unto the mount of Olives.

Webster's Bible Translation
And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the mount of Olives.

Weymouth New Testament
After singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

World English Bible
When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

Young's Literal Translation
And having sung an hymn, they went forth to the mount of the Olives

Hey Ken, that musical connotation keeps showing up. When Jesus SUNG the hymn He showed us how we SPEAK to one another in SONG. Any way you slice it or dice it Ken.....Jesus used MUSIC through the SONG to do the speaking. The singing that Jesus did was using his vocal cords to make a musical note. Like it or not. We DO speak to one another in song. Why we would we sing otherwise. You just need to admit it Ken....you are wrong here.
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October 21st, 2011, 7:43 am #10

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Good that you quoted from different translations. A favorite is "Bible in Basic English" where it says, "... after a song of praise to God...." I would say that "Praise God from Whom All Blessings Flow" is "a song of praise." One can sing it or recite/speak it.

It's a more accurate translation when a word, a phrase or an expression is based on how it was used or had its meaning during that particular age or era. Common knowledge or info is about the "chant" (or plainsong) -- "a monophonic sacred form which represents the earliest known music of the Christian Church. The Jewish Synagogue tradition of singing psalms was a strong influence on Christian chanting."

Better yet is the Catholic version (Douay-Rheims Bible). While the Roman Catholic Church was responsible for originating the "Choir Boys" [the progressive, liberal "church of Christ" calls it "Praise Team"], I'm not spending much time to also point out that "the European practice of employing castrated boys in the Catholic church's choirs started in the mid 16th century."

However, the Douay-Rheims Bible accurately translates the passage as follows -- [/color]"And when they had said an hymn, [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]they went forth to the mount of Olives." [No, I am not suddenly converting to Roman Catholicism.]

Dave, when they "said an hymn," I imagine that there was not a single "Praise Team" woman there. [LOL -- is that how the RCC invented the "Choir Boys"?] By the way, where was Judas Iscariot at the time?

I can assure you that their chanting was not at all close to the music of Twila Paris or Michael Smith.[/color]
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