Who Claims This Site? Christ and His WORD, that's who!

Who Claims This Site? Christ and His WORD, that's who!


May 24th, 2017, 1:11 pm #1

Donnie or Ken? Who claims ownership?


[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The inquisitive mind!!! Good to hear from you. [/color]
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May 25th, 2017, 4:05 am #2

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Rancor,

The ownership of the site has not changed. The same account has been responsible for this site's ownership since its inception, and it will remain that way.

The discussion forums (Madison, Richland Hills, Hillcrest, More Churches, Sunday School in Exile) are all financed by Donnie and Ken.

Have a wonderful week, brother.[/color]


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May 27th, 2017, 12:36 am #3

Donnie or Ken? Who claims ownership?


[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The inquisitive mind!!! Good to hear from you. [/color]
They always give David as their license, but, God tells us in Amos 6:5--Woe to those that act like David:

AMOS 6:5
"That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;"

You may ask, is a "worship leader" Biblical? In a way, they are. You see God created the first "worship leader".

Ezekiel 28:13-16
13. You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14. You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
16. By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones

Note: "tambrels" are tamborines and "pipes" are wind instruments.

It's no wonder that Satan is called the "enchanter." He has been using music from the very beginning to seduce his prey. It started early with the Bablyonian and Egyptian civilizations in which they would dance, clap, sing and play to their gods. The only thing most contemporary Churches are not doing presently is bringing the gods clean cloths everyday.

From the continent of Africa, where Voodoo chants called up the evil spirits to the shores of America , Satan has always been the user of music and the "worship leader" extraordinaire.

11. Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.
12. How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Let's take a look at how Satan uses others to seduce us with his music:
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May 27th, 2017, 10:05 am #4

Ken, the edit button is your best friend. Some things never change. See you later.

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May 27th, 2017, 2:58 pm #5

Donnie or Ken? Who claims ownership?


[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The inquisitive mind!!! Good to hear from you. [/color]

David Rhoades

I owe an apology to everyone because I have written previously that my former church congregation was headed for a trip to Saddleback.
How wrong I was! The destination is actually more sinister.

The change agents will promote the embracing of other doctrines. This starts out innocent enough. The praise team will visit a different denomination or will use this opportunity to practice their talents, which they haven't revealed to their congregation yet. The change agents will encourage visits to other Churches that are already advanced into the "Community Church Change." These little trips provide the encouragement for them to continue their efforts of bringing "praise teams" or instruments into their congregation. Maybe they will even invite a musical group from another denomination into their Church on a special occasion, which is intended to show their own congregation how "innocent" a little musical worship can be.

The preachers like my former preacher will hold meetings with other denominations about setting aside their differences in doctrinal issues. (1) They will encourage members? trips to participate in groups like "Promise Keepers" (14) or they will start their own "Jubilee". (The Pope had a Jubilee too, you know) There are ulterior motives here that won't be discussed with the Church members.

We Church members are a mixed lot. Most of us think we know what's going on in our own little way. Some of us are so kind and loving that we don't think another Christian would lie and deceive us. Then there are those like me that are so biblically ignorant that we wouldn't know a "Jubilee" from a "tent revival." There are those that knew what was going on, though. There always is. Looking back, you can see them leaving the Church early. I don't mean the big bunch that left when I did, but the trickling of many over several years. They knew! You really can't blame them.
They tried to warn us, but we were really a big dumb lot. We thought they were crazy, or maybe just a little too "radically religious".

Well, this is not another one of my tirades. I'm just trying to explain why you?re not going to believe this story either.

There is a bigger darker picture that's now being drawn. You see, I thought I knew the whole picture originally. I thought everything pointed to "Saddleback" and other similar "Change Agents" in the "Community Church Movement" What's really happening makes "Saddleback", "Willowcreek", and the "Zoe" bunch look like little minions.

Look at what I found on a web page the other day-- These are Catholics that are not happy with the changes taking place within the Catholic Church. Read this--It sounds like something you would read on the concernedmembers.com site. (3)

Compare ...
Traditional Latin Mass

Atmosphere of Reverent Worship:
Peaceful, otherworldly atmosphere. Emphasis on individual "lifting his heart & mind to God." Members of congregation direct attention to God, not each other.

With ...
Modern Mass at your parish

Social, Classroom, Entertainment Atmosphere:
Constant standing, sitting, amplified noise; atmosphere like a public meeting. Emphasis on "instruction." Socializing in church before & after service, and handshaking during.

My purpose of showing you this is to call your attention to what's happening everywhere! This is not some fad. What's happening to Churches all over the world doesn't have such organized precision unless there are some BIG minions running this. Do the little minions really know whom they are working for? I doubt it.

Here is a word that I did not know the meaning of until just a few short months ago:

Ecumenism, Ecumenical - Remember these words. Unfortunately this won't be the last time you hear them.

Here is what Webster?s says:

Pronunciation: "e-ky&-'me-ni-k&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin oecumenicus, from Late Greek oikoumenikos, from Greek oikoumenE the inhabited world, from feminine of oikoumenos, present passive particle of oikein to inhabit, from oikos house -- more at VICINITY Date: circa 1587

1: worldwide or general in extent, influence, or application
2 a: of, relating to, or representing the whole of a body of churches b: promoting or tending toward worldwide Christian unity or cooperation - ec?u?men?i?cal?ly /-k(&-)lE/ adverb

The ecumenical efforts have been at work for a long time right under our noses. Did you smell it? I didn't. We should have because it's right straight from Hell. This is not just an effort to join all Christian Churches, but ALL Churches under one Church, The One World Church.

I used to think it would be impossible for us as Christians not to recognize the "AntiChrist," but, now, I see. There are those today that don't realize that their Church is being changed into the Church of the "Anti-Christ". I was one of these right up until a few short months ago.

Here is a quote from a recent article by the President of Voice of the Martyrs:
"Across America pastors and Christian leaders are allowing representatives of the Islamic faith to freely speak in their pulpits. This happened at Willow Creek Community Church, the largest church in America, where a Muslim man named Faisal Hammouda was allowed to share the pulpit. During the interview with Pastor Hybels, Hammouda claimed: "As a matter of fact, we, all of us...believe in Jesus. I believe in Jesus. I believe in Mohammed and all the prophets. So our mission here is to introduce people to God." He also stated, "We believe in Jesus more than you do, in fact."

It seems that this all started back years ago and Satan has been coaching his minions all the time. I'm only going to take you back to 1948. Your self-study would take you even further back than 1919 and Alice Bailey, Foundress of the Lucifer Trust. (11)

John Foster Dulles, the brother of the CIA director that Kennedy fired, (Alan Dulles) was instrumental in forming the UN after World War II.
He was also instrumental in forming the "World Council of Churches" about the same time.

"At present, there are two great bodies -- the World Council of Churches (W.C.C.) and the National Council of Churches (N.C.C.). The main aim of the Ecumenical Movement is to bring churches of all denominations and cults, and ultimately, all other religious organizations together as One Ecumenical Church or World Church. At the first Ecumenical Assembly held in Amsterdam in 1948, the motto 'ONE WORLD -- ONE CHURCH' was adopted. It is agreed that one of the major issues for the WCC to tackle is the relations between the churches and the organizations of all the other religions and ideologies. With regards to this issue, dialogues are being held among the different religions of the world. The Bible Prophecy of a Super Church is now being fulfilled." (9)

Coming forward into the later part of the 20th century we see a hole host of well known characters furthering ecumenism and pushing it toward it's goals for the year 2000. The Pope with the decrees of Vatican II in 1962 brought the Catholic Church on board the ecumenism movement. Billy Graham was one of the biggest pushers within the protestant Churches. Then you have numerous movements like "Promise Keepers" (14) and new ones forming faster than flies.

It's not my job to scare you. I just have to warn you.

If you are still setting there in the pew...that's okay. I have done my job, now, I'm gone!

P.S. Do you really think you will recognize the Anti-Christ when he arrives?

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May 27th, 2017, 3:09 pm #6

Donnie or Ken? Who claims ownership?


[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The inquisitive mind!!! Good to hear from you. [/color]
Gary Holloway was an early misleader in churches of Christ: He now works for the Disciples of Christ.

Gary Holloway is Executive Director of the World Convention of Churches of Christ [worldconvention.org]. He formerly was Ijams Professor of Spirituality at Lipscomb University. Holding degrees from Freed-Hardeman, Harding, The University of Texas, and Emory University, he has written twenty-five books, including You Might Be Too Busy If…, Spiritual Practices for People in a Hurry from Leafwood Press as well as several volumes in the Meditative Commentary Series, also from Leafwood. He is married to Deb Rogers Holloway, who teaches theatre at Lipscomb University. See this excerpt from the book An Invitation to Live in God's Love, co-written with Earl Lavender, in our "Spiritual Formation" issue.



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May 27th, 2017, 8:34 pm #7

Ken, the edit button is your best friend. Some things never change. See you later.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Rancor,

We, the moderators, learn and can learn also from other posters. Next time we'll strive not to do any editing, whether it's the TITLE or the CONTENT of the INITIAL POST of a thread, unless the message is abusive or an attack. In this way, the intent of the message by the author/poster is preserved and unaltered -- we must respect that. Then the responses to and discussion of the intended subject matter can follow and continue, as well as rebuttal and defensive arguments.

This is a discussion forum after all, agree? Have a great weekend! [/color]

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May 29th, 2017, 3:25 pm #8

Donnie or Ken? Who claims ownership?


[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The inquisitive mind!!! Good to hear from you. [/color]
David Rhoades PART 3
SMALL GROUPS, CLASSES 101,102, & 103

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... rding.html

The "Change Agents" will call these "Discipleship Tools." These programs will go by different names. Sometimes the "Change Agent" will reach into the Bible and come up with one that sounds Biblical like "Living Stones." Actually, these tools have more to do with training for command and control than they do for training "Disciples for Christ."

Once a member joins the "Change Agent's" church, they will be introduced to a bevy of "small group" programs like: "accountability" groups, "social ministries," "career development ministries," and "youth ministries."

These tools are meant to keep the member active through peer pressure and to bond the member to everyone else, so they won't leave. Once enrolled, the member's performance and attendance will be tracked and scored. Their tithing will be evaluated with their income, so there will be no slacking here.

Here is an example of peer pressure as reported in a local Church of Christ paper.

" ..................... had everyone gather in groups of four. His task was to explain the next part of the gathering-Care Time. With a large congregation, it is very important for everyone to feel attached " to share needs with each other " He suggested that at every meeting that an empty chair in the room represent a ?missing? person."

As the above quote points out, this church is going to track absentees from the small groups and put the name of those absent on empty chairs. This is an attempt to exert peer pressure, which I assume will be effective for some people.

During the member's period of ?Discipleship? and progress up through the ranks, they will be asked to sign covenants, which is not Biblical [Matthew 5:33-37], and they will be given "Spiritual Gift Assessments" (personality profiling).

Any critical evaluation of the programs by members with anyone else is considered gossip and is against the covenant.

Rick Warren of the Saddleback church tells us why this is necessary:

"If you?re helping row the boat, you don?t have time to rock it."

Often as not, the member will be required by a signed covenant to participate in so-called ?accountability? groups. Here, they will confess all their sins to an accountability leader or partner. Is this Biblical? NO, but the "change agent" can justify it with their "new" Bible.

James 5:16

NIV-Therefore CONFESS YOUR SINS to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

NASB-Therefore, CONFESS YOUR SINS to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

CEV-If you have SINNED, you should TELL EACH OTHER WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. Then you can pray for one another and be healed. The prayer of an innocent person is powerful, and it can help a lot.

These versions support confessions to a priest. Now, look at what the KJV says:

KJV-CONFESS YOUR FAULTS one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

One word here makes a big difference. Faults and sins are not the same. The modern bibles lead me to believe that confession to "man" is required rather than to God and Him alone.

The member will need to join a "Social Ministry" like surfing/skiing/bike riding/quilting, etc. (Saddleback Valley Community Church has over eighty of them). And to answer the question why, here is Rick Warren, the author of the book:

?Relationships are the glue that keep the faithful coming.? (Rick Warren)

If the member is young enough to be part of the "Youth Ministry," then they could participate in Team building exercises, with such activities as "falls of faith," where a participant closes his/her eyes and allows him or herself to fall backwards, only to be caught by the rest of the youth. The point of the exercise is ?trust.? Once again, the trust is shifted - from trust in God, to trust in man. (My son actually told me about this one he did at the "Valley View" church camp, and I understand it's been going on for some time.)

What's the purpose of all this? The purpose is to lock the back door. "Small groups are the most effective way of closing the back door of your church." (Rick Warren)

All these processes may be successful at separating the lambs from the goats, but I seriously doubt that a true Christian should be involved.

I know a member at my former church that told me he couldn't leave if he wanted to. He said, "Think about it-- If my wife, her mother and her father won't leave, how can I? I would be headed for a divorce if I even bring it up!"

Not long ago, a good and Godly man from a large Church of Christ in Texas asked me to pray for him. He told me he had left his church of many years because of the false teaching. He told me that his wife and children stayed behind, and their church friends had told his wife to leave him. Now, that's a heart-tugger there. Do you think God would have anything to do with this process?

Richland Hills Church of Christ Forum
"We used christian bands to teach your youth to leave your movement."


No, my friends, this is not God's doing.

Each and every one of these tactics has been used for years by CULTS for CONTROL. Nothing is new here. It's all as old a sin.

Ec 1:10
Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new?
it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

Now, I know it's difficult for you to think of your church as a cult, and I'm not saying it is. But, ask yourself if Jesus Christ would have anything to do with tactics that served the sole purpose of using families and friendships for binding control. When was the word of God not sufficient?

These are the tools of men, not of God!

I was surprised to find listed in the book "The Kingdom of The Cults" by Walter Martin several cults that operate and appear as mainline Christian denominations. These cults have "church buildings" in every major city worldwide. They have over 34 MILLION members in the U.S. alone. They are so wealthy that they own insurance companies, and vast real estate holdings.

Do you think most of these millions of members realize they belong to and are controlled by a cult? The answer is NO.

The ones that do find out the truth can't get out without splitting their families. Some do make the desperate choices, but for most it's too late.

My humble advice to everyone is personal study of the Bible to know God's true doctrine.

Examine the fruits of your church leaders. Don't go by what they SAY, but by what they DO.

Do they appoint themselves as POPES?
Do they operate in secret?
Are they knowledgeable enough to teach scripture as taught?
Are they leading their flock in the ways of God or in the ways of man?
Are they honest? Have they ever misled the congregation?

Ac 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves [pederasts] enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Mt 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Jer 9:5
And they will deceive every one his neighbor, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and WEARY themselves to commit iniquity.

2Th 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.


What?s Wrong with the 21st Century Church?


The Kingdom of The Cults by Walter Martin

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May 29th, 2017, 4:25 pm #9

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/31 ... hollywood/

Most people go about living their lives without caring or even being aware that people like Plato or Aristotle ever existed or that their ideas largely constitute the fabric of Western Civilization. So this level does not appeal to many people and has attracted mostly intellectuals.
The second level is the art. It is where ideas are morphed into images (including music) and images in turn shape perhaps half of our lives, whether we are aware of it or not.
Tom Hanks admitted, “I think that when the film industry can capture an idea and make it glamorous and gorgeous, so that the audience isn’t even aware that they’re embracing something they never would have embraced before, then, yes, the film as a social motor can inaugurate some kind of change.” Lenin also learned that very quickly. “One quick way to destroy a society,” he said, “is through its music.”
In other words, a person can learn about Nietzsche through the arts without being aware that there was such a person named Nietzsche, and a person can inject a Weltanschuung in his art without even telling his viewers.
This was one reason why Aristotle declared that music ought to be regulated, for he knew that it could be used as a powerful weapon in bringing about cultural changes. Plato himself declared in his famous work Laws,
“Through foolishness they [the people] deceived themselves into thinking that there was no right or wrong way in music, that it was to be judged good or bad by the pleasure it gave… [As it was,] the criterion was not music, but a reputation for promiscuous cleverness and a spirit of law-breaking.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/24 ... p-culture/
Writer and musician Gary Lachman declares,
“The area of popular culture in which Crowley has had the most impact surely must be music. It took some time, but by the mid-1960s, the occult revival had reached the burgeoning ‘youth culture,’ which was itself on its way to becoming a serious rival to the mainstream, what became known as the ‘counterculture….’
“Music has always had an element of danger associated with it because of its ability to subvert the conscious mind and reach directly into the unconscious; Plato, we know, famously banned most music, except for a few bland modes, from his utopian Republic…
“When the ‘60s occult revival met the growing counterculture something strange happened. Each recognized that they had a common enemy in what was called ‘the establishment.’ This term stood for the values, institutions, sensibilities, tastes, political ideals, and morality of the previous generation, and the distance between it and the burgeoning one became known as the ‘generation gap’—a phrase put to good marketing use when the Gap clothing retailer opened for business in 1969.”[34]

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May 29th, 2017, 6:43 pm #10

Donnie or Ken? Who claims ownership?


[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The inquisitive mind!!! Good to hear from you. [/color]
It seems that this is well documented in Scripture and in all literature from clay tablets to the classics scholars who when silenced caused society to go into the first dark ages. It is happening as we write.

It is impossible NOT to understand your post so Jesus as Holy Spirit informed Paul in Ephesians 4 that THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

This first hit me in the face when the locals returned from Promise Keepers 96 in Atlanta and launched their terrorism in the local congregation. It IS PROBABLE that those who are several times in a year get caught up in the workshops of EVIL really believe the sex and lies (Pepperdine 2017) and CDs. The human spirit is really fragile and that is why the godly and Christian pattern is always SILENCE so you can READ or HEAR the Word, Logos or regulative principle.

The Community Church Movement which created Concerned Members with David Rhoades providing the Forum and many articles, was launched by Rubel Shelly etal. The thesis is that "you no longer have the right to read, interpret or speak" anything that is not the COMMUNITY (Commune) reading. The Community he had in mind was Rubel Shelly who declared himself THE leader by training and CHARISMA (smile)