Which Day Is the 'Christian' Sabbath: Saturday or Sunday?

Which Day Is the 'Christian' Sabbath: Saturday or Sunday?

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July 20th, 2017, 4:23 am #1

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]In the Old Testament (KJV online search), the word "sabbath" occurs 111 times; "sabbath day" occurs only 22 (of 111) times; "sabbaths" occurs numerous times (35). This is an indication that there were different types of sabbaths under the old covenant. Facts are that the seventh day was the sabbath day; that God rested on the seventh day from all his work (Gen. 2:2; etc.); that it was a day of complete rest--no work to be done; that it was a day to be kept holy. "Seventh day" is mentioned 50 times in the O.T.

In the New Testament (KJV online search), the word "sabbath" occurs 60 times; "sabbath day" occurs 42 (of 60) times; "sabbaths" occurs zero (0) times. This seems to indicate that in the N.T., "sabbath" was in reference to the "sabbath day" as you will notice in the gospels (the life of Christ in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) and in the Book of Acts (the history of the early church). In the epistles, there is only one reference to the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2:16. Although the sabbath day was supposedly a day of complete rest, did not Christ and the apostles violate the command to observe the sabbath day as a day of rest -- which excludes healing or going to "pluck the ears of corn" or gathering sticks, etc.?

We're not talking about references to "enter[ing] into my rest" in the New Testament.

Is the Roman Catholic Church responsible for changing the Sabbath Day from Saturday to Sunday?

Is the Seventh Day Adventist Church correct in maintaining that the seventh day is still the Sabbath Day?

This may or may not be considered as a trick question: Which day is truthfully the "Christian" sabbath -- Saturday or Sunday? [/color]

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July 20th, 2017, 3:16 pm #2

Jesus came with the law of liberty. As such, he was outdone by Sabbath-keeping since it was interpreted popularly as a law, while he said it was to less important than pulling an ox from a ditch, of helping to restore health to the sick or to give to the needy on that day.

If there was to be a Christian Sabbath, then it would be far less legalistic, if at all. It would be a day in which Christians could worship with reassurance and peace, reassured that the gift of Christ would be for their redemption, and peace that comes from that security.

So the Christian Sabbath, if it was installed at all, would be a day of blessing and rest.

So more or less, the legalism of the Jewish Sabbath was abolished, while the new day would be one of liberty and rest.

The early Christians met on our Sunday, the first day of the week, as testified to by Luke in Acts 20:7, and Paul in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. This was to be a day in which the Lord was to be remembered in the Supper (or Communion) and convenient to contribution of money to help the needy saints and others, as well as to worship God. John may have been referring to this day in Revelations 1:10 and the Hebrew writer in chapter 10, verse 25.

The temple is to the Jewish Sabbath as the Church is to the grace of Christianity liberty.

I think many call Sunday the "Christian Sabbath" partly because they thinking they are keeping the Ten Commandments, specifically the fourth commandment, of Exodus 20:1-17. Churches of Christ are to be complimented highly because they understand (or did understand, since I'm not so sure anymore) there is a difference in law and gospel, and so the Ten Commandments must be understood in light of New Testament teaching.

The linchpins of the Old Testament are the Law--specifically the Sabbath and the Temple, and Jesus understood these as symbols of the New Covenant, where the legalism was taken away, and the Sabbath is usurped by liberty and benevolence, and the Temple, by the universal message of the Gospel which was to be taken to all nations, without help from the high priests of Jerusalem.
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July 20th, 2017, 3:55 pm #3

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]There's so much to cover, even though the subject matter of this thread is specifically about the sabbath day. The sabbath day to be remembered and kept holy is one of the Ten Commandments. And what does the New Testament say about the old law?

Thanks so much for your message and what it covers.

For now I'd like to comment on your statement: "Churches of Christ are to be complimented highly because they understand (or did understand, since I'm not so sure anymore) there is a difference in law and gospel, and so the Ten Commandments must be understood in light of New Testament teaching."

That statement is remarkable!!! I'd like to believe and hope that members of the church of Christ are still being taught or have learned and still understand the difference in law and gospel. But I question the veracity of that knowledge based on the sources now being used in our "Bible" studies -- sources coming from denominational religious bodies, human philosophy and psychology.

If the difference in law and gospel is taught and understood well, should there even be a question or debate as to whether or not there is such a thing as the "Christian sabbath" being specific to a particular day? Hmmm. Maybe that was a "trick" question? Maybe not.[/color]
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July 21st, 2017, 12:29 am #4

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July 21st, 2017, 2:43 am #5

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]In the Old Testament (KJV online search), the word "sabbath" occurs 111 times; "sabbath day" occurs only 22 (of 111) times; "sabbaths" occurs numerous times (35). This is an indication that there were different types of sabbaths under the old covenant. Facts are that the seventh day was the sabbath day; that God rested on the seventh day from all his work (Gen. 2:2; etc.); that it was a day of complete rest--no work to be done; that it was a day to be kept holy. "Seventh day" is mentioned 50 times in the O.T.

In the New Testament (KJV online search), the word "sabbath" occurs 60 times; "sabbath day" occurs 42 (of 60) times; "sabbaths" occurs zero (0) times. This seems to indicate that in the N.T., "sabbath" was in reference to the "sabbath day" as you will notice in the gospels (the life of Christ in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) and in the Book of Acts (the history of the early church). In the epistles, there is only one reference to the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2:16. Although the sabbath day was supposedly a day of complete rest, did not Christ and the apostles violate the command to observe the sabbath day as a day of rest -- which excludes healing or going to "pluck the ears of corn" or gathering sticks, etc.?

We're not talking about references to "enter[ing] into my rest" in the New Testament.

Is the Roman Catholic Church responsible for changing the Sabbath Day from Saturday to Sunday?

Is the Seventh Day Adventist Church correct in maintaining that the seventh day is still the Sabbath Day?

This may or may not be considered as a trick question: Which day is truthfully the "Christian" sabbath -- Saturday or Sunday? [/color]

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[color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]Corrected stats in red[/color] [d.c.]
God doesn't get tired but He rested on the seventh day because all of the work had been done. The Sabbath means to rest after 6 days of work. That probably was to prevent the landlords from making the people work without ceasing.

Ex. 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Defile is the Chalal form or Halal: to defile,

2490. chalal, (by implication) to wound, to dissolve; figuratively, to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one’s word), to begin (as if by an “opening wedge”); denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute):—begin (x men began), defile, x break, defile, x eat (as common things), x first, x gather the grape thereof, x take inheritance, pipe, PLAYER on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound

Ex. 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Ex. 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

Ex. 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you:
every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death:
for whosoever doeth any work therein,
that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

KEEP the sabbath never meant WORSHIP on the REST day for the spiritual people of God.

Keep: H8104 shâmar shaw-mar' A primitive root; properly to hedge about (as with thorns), that is, guard; generally to protect, attend to, etc.:—beware, be circumspect, take heed (to self), keep (-er, self), mark, look narrowly, observe, preserve, regard, reserve, save (self), sure, (that lay) wait (for), watch (-man).

Keep in Latin: Custodio II. With the access. idea of hindering free motion, A. In gen., to hold something back, to preserve, keep:

To keep precepts or laws: Regula a rule, pattern, measuring rod, formula sermonis
Loquor to speak, talk, say (sermo in the lang. of common life, in the tone of conversation

Custodio: hold something back, preserve, hinder free motion, watch, preserve. hold back simulation.

Simulatio hold back . a falsely assumed appearance, a false show, feigning, shamming, pretence, feint, insincerity, deceit, hypocrisy, simulation, pretend to be under a divine command.

WORK WHICH WAS INCLUDED:

4397. mal}ak, mal-awk´; from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher):—ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

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July 21st, 2017, 5:48 am #6

[color=#000000" size="4" face="times]Ken: "KEEP the sabbath never meant WORSHIP on the REST day for the spiritual people of God."[/color]

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Yes, under the Old Testament law, it was a specific directive that since: "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD..." (Exodus 31:15) --

-- Whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death (Exo. 31:15).
-- Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day (Exo. 35:3).
-- A man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day ... would be put to death (Num. 15:32ff)
-- No buying or selling (Neh. 10:31).
-- That there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day (Neh. 13:15).

There's no indication of worship on the sabbath day as it was a day of complete rest -- no activity or labor whatsoever. If there were any Praise Team activity/labor/work or performance, how different would that be from the man who gathered sticks upon the sabbath day and being put to death?[/color]
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July 21st, 2017, 5:55 am #7

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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]William, it appears that a post from you is missing (was inadvertently not submitted or published)? Would you resubmit? Thanks. D.C.[/color]
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July 21st, 2017, 12:43 pm #8

[color=#000000" size="4" face="times]Ken: "KEEP the sabbath never meant WORSHIP on the REST day for the spiritual people of God."[/color]

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Yes, under the Old Testament law, it was a specific directive that since: "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD..." (Exodus 31:15) --

-- Whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death (Exo. 31:15).
-- Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day (Exo. 35:3).
-- A man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day ... would be put to death (Num. 15:32ff)
-- No buying or selling (Neh. 10:31).
-- That there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day (Neh. 13:15).

There's no indication of worship on the sabbath day as it was a day of complete rest -- no activity or labor whatsoever. If there were any Praise Team activity/labor/work or performance, how different would that be from the man who gathered sticks upon the sabbath day and being put to death?[/color]
Great point! The differences in the days are immense. One is a rest day, the other possible workday.

I noticed in a study of Luke 24, that Jesus arose on the first day of the week. Verse 1.

On that same day,two disciples were on the way to Emmaus. Verse 13.

In verse 30, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and offered it to His disciples. Notice the pattern of breaking and eating bread, a pattern often repeated in the Gospels.

THEN, THEIR EYES WERE OPENED. Verse 31.

These verses are prescience to the Lord's Supper as reported in the books of Acts, and instituted earlier in the Gospels.

Jesus had apparently opened their eyes earlier concerning the resurrection gift. Verse 32. Their "hearts were on fire" as he had talked with them earlier on this trip to Emmaus.

RIGHT NOW MEDIA will lead us AWAY from the weekly observance of this Lord's Supper. The Elders want to control what literature the church if reading.


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July 21st, 2017, 2:05 pm #9

After people work five days to earn a living and 1 day to revive and work at home, the first day of the week may be the most works-intensive day of the week. Money is stored up work and the tithers and the lay-bys want you to give ten percent of your GROSS income. The tithe of food only from rented farms was based on net income. Most honest workers have little to no increase in their wealth.

I don't know the chronology but Jesus returned "at the next appointed" on the next first day of the week. Some one can figure that out

Paul understood that he was going to wait a week before people showed up on purpose.

Acts 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Acts 20:8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.


When Paul "preached" the word is:

g1256. dialegomai, dee-al-eg´-om-ahee; middle voice from 1223 and 3004; to say thoroughly, i.e. discuss (in argument or exhortation): — dispute, preach (unto), reason (with), speak. write in prose, opposite poiein,

The assemblies are always on the first day of the week and by contrast when Paul wanted to speak to the Jews he knew to show up on the seventh day.

People don't travel specifically on the First Day of the week just for potluck. The Lord's Supper shows forth or "preaches" the death of Jesus which should silence everyone but the presiding elder who reads while everyone who wanted to LEARN were silent. Jesus through men like Paul has supplied all of the allowed teaching resources.

Those who observe the supper once a month or once a year are Purpose Driven to silence Jesus because they always insist on several days of the week to listen to them or "lay by in store."

Sunday was a work day and Christians at troas met in the evening. Mithras or Sun worship gave the Romans the seventh day to rest or revel. When Constantine gave the Christians the first day for rest, they did not ever shift from the sabbath.
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July 22nd, 2017, 2:39 am #10

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]In the Old Testament (KJV online search), the word "sabbath" occurs 111 times; "sabbath day" occurs only 22 (of 111) times; "sabbaths" occurs numerous times (35). This is an indication that there were different types of sabbaths under the old covenant. Facts are that the seventh day was the sabbath day; that God rested on the seventh day from all his work (Gen. 2:2; etc.); that it was a day of complete rest--no work to be done; that it was a day to be kept holy. "Seventh day" is mentioned 50 times in the O.T.

In the New Testament (KJV online search), the word "sabbath" occurs 60 times; "sabbath day" occurs 42 (of 60) times; "sabbaths" occurs zero (0) times. This seems to indicate that in the N.T., "sabbath" was in reference to the "sabbath day" as you will notice in the gospels (the life of Christ in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) and in the Book of Acts (the history of the early church). In the epistles, there is only one reference to the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2:16. Although the sabbath day was supposedly a day of complete rest, did not Christ and the apostles violate the command to observe the sabbath day as a day of rest -- which excludes healing or going to "pluck the ears of corn" or gathering sticks, etc.?

We're not talking about references to "enter[ing] into my rest" in the New Testament.

Is the Roman Catholic Church responsible for changing the Sabbath Day from Saturday to Sunday?

Is the Seventh Day Adventist Church correct in maintaining that the seventh day is still the Sabbath Day?

This may or may not be considered as a trick question: Which day is truthfully the "Christian" sabbath -- Saturday or Sunday? [/color]

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[color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]Corrected stats in red[/color] [d.c.]
There is both secular and biblical evidence that the REST days let people engage in pretty vile practices. The history of the Synagogue shows that they were often places to see and be seen and to pick up a secular partner.

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