What is The Value of The Local Church?

Rancor
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July 1st, 2016, 1:31 pm #1

Why do you attend?

Why do you not attend?


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July 2nd, 2016, 1:44 am #2

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Rancor,

This is a very good topic to discuss. [ . . . ]

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July 4th, 2016, 12:28 am #3

Why do you attend?

Why do you not attend?


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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]We may need a definition of "local church."

What is the difference between the body of Christ worldwide and the local church?

Can a family of parents and their children assembling together be considered "attending a local church"?

Is a physically disabled Christian required to be in the assembly?[/color]
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July 4th, 2016, 3:33 am #4

I am still waiting for some scholar who can define CHURCH or the Ekklesia or who can define the Purpose Driven Purpose or who can define "worship."

If you can't define it how can you find it?

Many (most) are called (invited) but few (almost none) are chosen or become the electos. Jesus invites the twos and threes to come OUTSIDE to rest and "learn of me."
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July 8th, 2016, 2:08 am #5

We currently assemble in our home on the Lords day to read the word. We include the Lords Supper. This has helped us to grow closer individually to The Lord Jesus Christ, and to each other. We are not being separated from one another to different classes, and we know that truth is being spoken. We believe that worshipping The Lord is giving heed to what he delivered from the Father. We believe that Christ was the Spirit who spoke thru the apostles and the prophets. We have been talking with our neighbors about The Lord. I do see the value in assembling with others, but we have Noah's example, and if they don't believe we have to keep moving forward. We know that time is short, so we must spread the gospel.
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Bill
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July 8th, 2016, 1:44 pm #6

"Noah's example." Noah and family were shut in an ark with all the animals and couldn't go anywhere. After the flood, "Noah's example" was to sacrifice unto the Lord (Gen 8:20).

Do Christians follow "Noah's example" by being trapped in arks and offering sacrifices to God today?

Of course, there is that full-size, 100-million-dollar replica of Noah's ark now on display in Williamstown, Kentucky. It's made of wood, but not gopher wood, however. There are even replicas of dinosaurs in cages.

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July 8th, 2016, 2:44 pm #7

We currently assemble in our home on the Lords day to read the word. We include the Lords Supper. This has helped us to grow closer individually to The Lord Jesus Christ, and to each other. We are not being separated from one another to different classes, and we know that truth is being spoken. We believe that worshipping The Lord is giving heed to what he delivered from the Father. We believe that Christ was the Spirit who spoke thru the apostles and the prophets. We have been talking with our neighbors about The Lord. I do see the value in assembling with others, but we have Noah's example, and if they don't believe we have to keep moving forward. We know that time is short, so we must spread the gospel.
Good point, Dianna: remember that Jesus told the sectarian clergy that truth had been hidden in parables from the foundation of the world. That begins in Genesis 1:1 for those making traffic out of picking the day of week the earth was created ex nihlo. The creation--creating earth (not globe but a fruitful place) in the water and standing out of water. The flood uses the same void and useless terms as does the Red Sea and the BECOME void and empty Israelite nation.

The word for mercy seat is the Hebrew word kapporeth (h3727) is a cover or lid. This is derived from the prime root kaphar (h3722) which means to cover in the sense of cover with bitumen and means to expiate or condone to placate or to cancel. The concept is to appease or atone, cleanse or disannul, forgive, be merciful, pacify, pardon, purge, to pitch or to reconcile.

The pitch is defined as

H3724 kôpher ko'-fer From H3722 ; properly a cover, that is, (literally) a village (as covered in); (specifically) bitumen (as used for coating), and the henna [bright red] plant (as used for dyeing); figuratively a redemption price:--bribe, camphire, pitch, ransom, satisfaction, sum of money, village.

H3722 kâphar kaw-far' A primitive root; to cover (specifically with bitumen); figuratively to expiate or condone, to placate or cancel:--appease, make (an) atonement, cleanse, disannul, forgive, be merciful, pacify, pardon, to pitch, purge (away), put off, (make) reconcile (-liation).

This has the same meaning as baptism

1 Pet. 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient,
.....when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,
.....while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is,
.....eight souls were saved by water.

Baptism is like God, the Ark and the Water: it was given POWER by Faith which worked. God's power is always VESTED in something.

Arca , ae, f. [arceo: arca et arx quasi res secretae, I. a place for keeping any thing, a chest, box. 2. A coffin (cf. Smith, Dict. Antiq.) cadavera Conservus vili portanda locabat in arca-,

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet,
.....moved with fear,
..... prepared an ark to the saving of his house;

.....by the which he condemned the world,
.....and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Baptism is "TYPE or a MODEL of FORM intended FOR IMITATION." It involves, God, faith, obedience, being placed IN the coffin, being saved BY water because THAT is how God planned it and since I AM NOT GOD I will not be caught "dead" calling Him a liar.

1 Pet. 3:21 The like figure (Antitupon or Antitype counterpart) whereunto
.....even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,
.....but the answer of [Appeal FOR A holy spirit] a good conscience toward God,)
.....by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Anti (g473) an-tee'; a prim. particle; opposite, i.e. INSTEAD or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, SUBSTITUTION, correspondence, etc.

We are baptized by GRACE instead of having to build an Ark or drown
We are baptized by GRACE instead of having to cross the Red Sea or be destroyed by FAITH ONLY when God said "Quit whining, lift up your arm and MOVE into the jaws of death.
We are baptized by GRACE instead of having to be pinned on a stake and shed OUR blood.

When you have to EXPLAIN AWAY what the text MAKES CLEAR you may have exhausted God's Grace.

Tupos (g5179) too'-pos; from 5180; a die (as struck), i.e. (by impl.) a stamp or scar; by anal. a shape, i.e. a statue, (fig.) style or resemblance; spec. a sampler ("type"), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning): - en- (ex-) ample, fashion, figure, form, manner, pattern, print.

Baptism as obeying the gospel heaps coals of fire upon the "believeth nots" who are defined as traitors. You will notice that the GRACE people gnash their teeth when you flash the OBEDIENCE word.

Animal sacrifices were acceptable until after the Jews rejected the message of Abraham's almost sacrifice that GOD PROVIDED. That didn't prevent Solomon from building a HOUSE dominating Moriah when God had promised David a TENT on Mount Zion..

Gen. 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Those who survive the "death" encounter in water are alive again: their sacrifices are the FRUIT OF THE LIPS Because JESUS has provided ANIMAL sacrifices made up of speakers, singers or instrument players: they are called BEASTS. Any thing or person dedicated to ADORN the Word of God is declared ANATHEMA: they cannot be redeemed and MUST BE BURNED.

Jesus as HOLY SPIRIT thought that Noah was a Prophetic Type of obeying God to ESCAPE the World, Kosmos, Ecumenical or the kingdom of the Devil. Jesus said that the TRUTH had been hidden in parables from the foundation of the world for those OF the World. Jesus though that Dianna should not be blinded.
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Humility
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July 8th, 2016, 6:07 pm #8

Was Tyrannosauras Rex a fatality of the flood, Bill. Anyway, would it sink the ark?

Noah got rid of this one.
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July 8th, 2016, 7:45 pm #9

You should know by now that Noah took fertile eggs and froze them.

However, Dinos eat a lot of stuff and the newly-swept earth simply could not stand such gluttons. I do understand that they have found the last one's foot print followed by a human maybe for his last meal.

Now, cows are too big so the next flood we will take along lots of crickets.
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July 31st, 2016, 8:35 pm #10

Why do you attend?

Why do you not attend?


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A local institution does many great things trusting their own works as the Social Gospel and NON Christian Worship Centers. However, the CORE one-piece pattern from the wilderness onward for the only reason God gives a day of REST from religious rituals (legalism) is to Rest, Read and Rehearse the Word.

That is the only meaning of:

SPEAK that which is written for our LEARING
But, Ode (sing) and Psallo (pluck strings or hair) IN the heart (place) meaning Keep it Silent Simple when God is in His holy Temple as the purified or holy spirit of His Disciples.

The EXTREME DISCIPLESHIP as the old Discipling Dilemma is Purpose Driven for the minister-turned-master and his huge STAFF to destroy the EDUCATION ONLY role of the church and force the LAMBS out trying to drive other people's lambs into the wrong fold.

The Extreme Discipleship is ONLY for those who feel the need to GO and seek lost lambs (lost spirits) by SPEAKING or READING as the only way God's WORD is authorized to be ministered. Any rhetoric, singing or playing PRETENDS that those John Calvin called lazy asses can see visions and hear voices telling you that your godly ancestors simply could not comprehend until THEY got their still-bleeding sheep skin devoid of much Bible knowledge and no ethical foundation which would SEND them out.

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