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Servant said: "Donnie, will those like you always claim ignorance to why the church of Christ is growing slower than it ever has???"Donnie:
You said..."Servant, I was looking for your rebuttal in detail against my specific statements. I didnt see any explanation in your post except to remark concerning getting to heaven and distrusting your brother in Christ. Oh, well, I think theyre good subject matters for discussion at some other time."
Would that be like when I gave rebuttal about your "proof", or lack thereof of showing historical evidence that instrumental music was not used with the first century church?
You show historians who did not live during the time of the first century church. I refutted one of your main historians, whom you say was quotted out of context when I showed proof that the said there was "no blame" for anyone if they wanted to used instruments of music.
Most of the historians that you quoted mentioned about the 'lifeless' instruments' out of preferrrence. That has nothing to do with fact showing that the first century church did/did not use instrumental music.
NO EVIDENCE Donnie. Even the historian Clemente, that you used to show 'proof', showed disdain for your 'proof.'
You use statements such as 'the silence of God is not permissive', and 'where the Bible speaks speak, and where the Bible is silent remain silent.
So I ask you about the great commission and how it tells us to 'go' but is SILENT on HOW to go. But then that is sooooooooo different from when the NT tells us to sing, and not HOW to sing.
Donnie, will those like you always claim ignorance to why the church of Christ is growing slower than it ever has???
Its because of WHAT YOU LIKE, but hexing and vexing what you don't like.
You use your sacred CENI for the items in the NT for which you prefer, but when it is used against you (the great commission and silence on how to go) then you say it is sin.
The only sin here is when Christians take it upon themselves to try to rewrite the Words of God and add sin to the Word where there was none in the first place. I used the word 'Christians' Donnie because I believe that you are a Christian, just a misguided one. Perhaps you no longer call me one, but I still believe that you and Bill and even Ken are my Christian brothers who are in SERIOUS error and need to ask God for forgiveness for your sins. I have already forgiven you. If it is a strong rhetoric that I have to keep up with you men, then so be it. YOU ARE IN ERROR, and you need to deal with it.
<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>Evelyn,I am sick ay heart about what happened at Madison. I graduated from Lipscomb in 1959--Brother North's son Tim married my cousin. I remember when Nick Boone led singing there and now, I cannot believe what happened and what is happening around the country.
My fear is that many congregations are not aware of this movement, and it will happen and be too late. How do we make them aware? Some of my friends I talk to just sort of dismiss what I say as "demented ramblings."
The elders at Nashville Road are aware at this point. My father, P. J. Julian, was an elder there for 40 years and is now deceased (2000). He, at one time, went into the pulpit and escorted the visiting preacher out the door.
Another time, he and the minister, Brother Harris, asked a couple not to return because the man was beginning some of the "code" questions and comments in the men's BIBLE class.
Another time, he stopped a slide show by a Philipine visitor who stated "In the Philipines, we don't call it the Church of Christ but the "Way." At that point, the slide show stopped.
A child of Jackson County hills, my father was not a formally "schooled" person; however, he did know the BIBLE, and I miss him so very much.
What do I, as one person, do to help this problem?
Please feel free to edit my post also....<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>Amazed,
Heres to explain that the bottom part of your post has been removed. That part was actually my response to Vince. I think that you were using it for reference only while you were creating your post and that you had intended to remove it after completing your post.
Actually, Im not here to contemplate Vinces membership. I dont know that he is or that he isnt a member of the church that you have left. Id give him the benefit. But in your case and based on your messages, I think that you have left the church; but feel free to correct me if I have misstated that.
I think you keep recycling your same arguments and opposition to the church that you criticize, despise, deride and left.
<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>Roger,OOPS! Yeah, I cut/pasted your post to reference, and forgot to delete it before I sent it in.
I've told you many times that I have been freed from C of C legalism for about 5 years now. I do not attend a C of C anymore. Alot of the reason is because of what I am experiencing here. They spit out "doctrine" as fact, but when you ask them for an explanation, it's so shallow, that they have none. Instead of admitting that, they get mad and call names, etc...
It's largely a case of idol worship. Instead of doing what God says, and treating people the way He commands, it is far more important not to disappoint grandparents, parents, siblings, ministers, or friends. They worship man's opinion more than God, and as He says, "Worship ME only." They live in ignorance rather than being brave/smart enough to expect answers to legitimate questions.
By the way, are you the pot or the kettle here? Recycling answers???? You write the same thing over and over and over. You don't even recycle your answers, you just have one, and it's starting to stink. I think it's rotten. You might want to get a new one.
Seriously though, I'd appreciate a sincere effort from you to answer this. According to you, this site exists to "warn" people. O.K. They got your warning. Now, what are they supposed to DO about it????
Don't come with all your "stand strong in the truth" and "defend the faith" cliches. Give us something practical. Not an ideal, but an action. What can people DO besides leave a church????