Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

July 21st, 2005, 6:15 pm #31

When I see worship choreography such as this written out with all kinds of cues and directions, I am reminded of the liturgy in the Roman Catholic Church and its branches, which is completely written out. All the priest needs to do is read it verbatim if he hasn't already memorized it. Scripture verses are planned for each particular Sunday in the liturgical year, week in and week out, as are the "prayers." Virtually nothing is spontaneous, all done by rote.

In contrast, when I was organist for a Baptist church, there was a printed "order of worship," which listed everything that was supposed to transpire during the service, including the hymns. But that church had a pastor who loved to be "spontaneous" by deviating from the order. He deleted hymns and added hymns on the spur of the moment without ever telling the church musicians in advance, so we often were caught off guard. Sometimes the Minister of Music would be ready to direct the choir in their next number, only to be interrupted by the pastor jumping up to lead the congregation personally in a "spontaneous" hymn that he had just thought of. Being "spontaneous" created nothing but chaos when there were instrumentalists and other performers/entertainers involved.

So on the one hand, we have Churches of Christ who are imitating the Catholics or the Protestant denominations with their "choreographed worship/order of worship," and on the other hand we have Protestant denominations that defeat a "choreographed worship/order of worship" through the chaos of spontaneity.

What's the solution? If a church would be truly spontaneous, get rid of the instrumentalists and those who vocally imitate the sound of instruments. Get rid of any choreographed praise teams, soloists, choirs, and those who would otherwise seek the accolades of men through their "holy" performances. Thus the chaos is removed, and worship is simple and spontaneous.
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July 22nd, 2005, 3:03 am #32

<font size=3 color=blue face=Times New Roman>The Contemporary Christian Music Movement has popularized the expression “the audience of One” in reference to God to whom “corporate worship” is supposedly being directed. It is a defensive argument for the popular notion that a change in “worship style” should not be an issue in a changing society. Is “worship style” the real issue? Or is “worship content” the real issue? I know … I know that the list of questions related to the subject of “worship” is endless.

The document below will reveal to the open-minded reader a typical setting of activities that occur in the “contemporary worship service” at Madison. So, what has become of the simplicity of the “gathering of the saints” that the New Testament speaks of?

Please review the information below very carefully. (“Names have been changed to protect the innocent.”) What does God care about “CCBCEnding – AABABA” or “VCVCVending” or the “prayer leaders and Hal walk[ing] up to stage together” or the “trio seated” at a certain time? What does God care about the elite Praise Team and the use of the microphones so the One can hear the performing team members better and be glorified better than without their voices magnified?

Is choreographed worship “in spirit and in truth”? What does “worship in spirit and in truth” mean? When is it a performance? Is it “holy entertainment”? </font>

<font size=1 color=indigo face=Times New Roman><table border=2 cellpadding=1><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> DATE (2005) ……… SECOND SERVICE</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2>
WHO
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PROJECTION NOTES
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FLOW NOTES
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Focus
</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> Hal Barns </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> prayer leaders and Hal walk up to stage together</font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=3>
Prayer
</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> Gregory Drew,
Michael Hurt,
Jason Petersen
</font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2>3 prayer leaders, 3 themes: praise, thanksgiving including our freedom in X; seeking God’s guidance </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> Lord We Come Before Thee Now #419</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2>Key Clapmaster</font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> v1, v2, ooh a verse while Steve prays, then last verse (modulate the last verse?)</font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> all singers and prayer leaders go up to the front at the same time </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> There is Power in the Blood #667</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> first and last – repeat chorus – direct into next song </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> standing (song is there is power in the blood: “free” goes with his lesson</font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>Give Thanks to the Lord n.b.#2</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2>CCBCEnding-AABABA</font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>Light the Fire notebook #171</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2>repeat chorus (normal)</font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>Leaning on the Everlasting Arms #394</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2>1st & last verse / chorus / repeat chorus </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>Greatest Commands</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2>no repeats A – B – T – S </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2>seated (trio seated)</font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=3>
Video
</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2>testimony about the importance and the desire for fellowship with the church family; perhaps from many people (one line from each) “I can’t make it w/o the fellowship of my brothers and sisters…Can’t wait to be with the church family…etc.)</font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=3>
Love Feast
</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>Blessed Be the Lord God Almighty notebook #10</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> VCC </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> standing </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>Shout to the Lord n.b. #11</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> normal </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>I Need You More n.b. #27</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> normal </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>If You Miss Me n.b. #68</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> normal </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>Clap Your Hands n.b. #160</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> normal </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=3>
Hymn Background
</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2>Tom Saddleback</font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> seated </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>Ten Thousand Angels #621</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> all verses/one chorus </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>I Can Only Imagine notebook #104</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=3>
Communion
</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> Wade Huddles</font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> Bread “Come to the Table” V one Chorus; Cup: Chorus </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=3>
Contribution
</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> Carroll Champus</font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> One Thing I Ask n.b. #101</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> VCVCVending </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> The River Is Here n.b. #174</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> new big ending </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> dismiss children </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=3>
Message: “Defeating the Enemies of Change”
</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> Hal Barns</font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2></font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2>There’s a Fountain Free #655</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> song is “There’s a Fountain Free”</font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=3>
Shepherd’s Blessing
</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> Terry Ashford</font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2>(dealing with freedom in Christ), trio come back to stage</font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> My Life Is in You notebook #46</font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> one bass, only sing one verse (half as long as normally sing) – half </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td></tr><tr><td width=160 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=095 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=120 valign=bottom><font size=2> </font></td><td width=165 valign=bottom><font size=2> sing out: Jesus Will Fix It</font></td></tr><tr>
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Wow, Donnie,

Can you reveal where you got these documents? Perhaps from an anonymous scource? You know what Dr. Crump says about anonymous on another thread.

Or, perhaps you just made all this up.

Annie Mouse
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July 22nd, 2005, 4:44 am #33

<font size=3 face=times new roman>Wow, Ms. Mouse,

Here are some interesting observations:
  • Hmmm! By “where” … do you mean which church or congregation? It is certainly not from one of the seven churches in Asia “revealed” in the book of Revelation—not from Ephesus, Smyrna [Tennessee], Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis [Alabama], Philadelphia [PA], Laodicea.
  • If you’re not afraid to reveal yourself, I’ll consider letting you know if I received them by e-mail, by priority/express mail or by regular mail or if they were specially delivered or handed to me.
  • I’m trying to think really hard. If I made up the documents, would I be recognized as a creative producer? Would the documents be more credible or less? I now wonder what I really meant when I said that the names were changed “to protect the innocent.”
  • Speaking of another thread, “Contemporary Worship Choreography—Made for TV or ‘the Audience of One’? ” should be a good one to check out. In fact, both documents were initially posted in that thread. The last post in this thread is dated May 29, 2005 at 6:46 a.m.
I have just read that last post from that thread. Guess what, Annie? I want to thank you for your post above. I was going to do a follow-up article. But why bother? I am reposting that last post, plus the e-mail I got from a FORMER “Worship Leader,” Dan Lucarini. Madison’s “Worship Leader,” Keith Lancaster (Church of Christ, I think), could use some advice from Dan Lucarini, a FORMER “Worship Leader” (Baptist).</font>

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<font size=4>Message from a "former" worship leader</font>
May 29 2005 at 6:46 AM

I must share this special message from someone who is highly knowledgeable about the CCM Movement. In fact, he has written a book published by Evangelical Press, “Why I Left the Contemporary Christian Music Movement,” now on its 13th printing. I have been granted permission to post this personally treasured e-mail from Dan Lucarini:

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Dan Lucarini [[url=mailto:danlucarini@msn.com]danlucarini@msn.com[/url]]
    Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 7:29 PM
    To: donniecruz@msn.com
    Subject: Contemporary Worship Choreography-Made for TV or "the Audience of One"?

    <font size=3 color=indigo face=Times New Roman>Hey Donnie,

    I see you are still stirring up the 'worship' hornet nest! So am I. As a former worship leader, I knew exactly what the order of service you printed means. I chuckled at the 'VCC' (verse-chorus-repeat chorus). At the same time, seeing it again made me realize afresh how trite and manipulative is the entire exercise of 'planning worship'.

    There's an interesting book out called Worship: The Simple Mystery by Dan McGowan (friend of mine). It should have been titled 'confessions of a current worship leader'. Dan recounts the time a professional worship consultant came to his Evang Pres church and taught the worship team how to fake the sincerity. He also laments the professionalism that has taken over Sunday mornings.

    Our contemporary worship friends are caught in a dilemma of their own making. On one hand they tell us we have to abandon the old, dead, lifeless forms of worship where people do the same thing over and over again, and there is no spontaneity allowed. On the other hand, these same people rigorously program their own worship services with lots of little manipulative entertainment tricks like those in your article.

    Spontaneity always degenerates into ritual, whenever men devise their own ways to worship the gods. But where there is spiritual worship in truth (John 4:24), ritual cannot take control.

    Blessings in Christ, my fellow soldier. Hope to meet someday Lord willing.

    Dan</font>

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    Contemporary Worship Choreography—Made for TV or "the Audience of One"? Donnie Cruz
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/message? ... 1116403970

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July 22nd, 2005, 8:25 pm #34

Donnie,

If I told you who I am, you don't really expect me to believe you will reveal the source of you garbage, do you?

Bubba, I don't trust you in the outhouse with a muzzle on!!

Annie M.
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July 23rd, 2005, 1:56 am #35

<font size=3 color=indigo face=times new roman>Annie,

More items for your consideration:
  • You are absolutely correct that I would not reveal the source.
  • It is also correct that you obviously did not very carefully read my very carefully worded statement about letting you know:
    • If I received them by e-mail,
    • . . . by priority/express mail
    • . . . or by regular mail
    • . . . or if they were specially delivered
    • . . . or handed to me [end of revelation].
  • It is good to know that you agree with me that this “Worship Leader’s” choreography is “garbage.” You said it “right.” You said it first.
By the way, you just delivered in one short word an excellent description of choreographed worship—GARBAGE!

Annie, thank you!

Donnie </font>
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July 23rd, 2005, 3:54 am #36

You did'nt read my post very carefully either. It said "you' garbage. It was a typo on my part. It really said "your" garbage. That means it is "yours" not anyone else's. You are very good a spouting on and on and on about what if's and maybe's. When 'ya grow up and get a life, and maybe a couple friends, instead of alienating the world about the truth??

Steppin off my box

Annie

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July 23rd, 2005, 7:55 am #37

<font size=3 color=indigo face=times new roman>Annie,

I have worked as a compiler-proofreader. I edit. I notice typos and errors. So, be glad that I didn’t bring it [your typo] to your attention first.

Although I changed the names to “protect the innocent,” I did not make up the documents. Therefore, the documents are not my “garbage.” The worship choreography is THE garbage. That has been precisely the gist of my posts.

And now I’m the one alienating the world about the truth? Sorry, Annie, it’s the other way around. I haven’t changed anything. I’ve been consistent in defending the truth and the church. It is folks like you who have the persistence and determination to change things around—but God does not need any of the change agents’ schemes to pervert or compromise the truth or to improvise God’s will and directives for the church or to transform and restructure the church.

In case you haven’t realized it, it’s the offering of “strange fire before the Lord” (Lev. 10:1; Num. 3:4; Num. 26:61), the introduction of imitated doctrines and beliefs of other religions, and the modifications of God’s scheme of redemption and His principles and commands—that create alienation, havoc, conflicts and division in congregations.

By the way, I think you need to practice what you’ve been preaching to me and others. You know, this thingy about “loving one another.” Only if it were genuine! My observation has been that it dissipates rather quickly when your borrowed doctrines and beliefs are challenged by God’s truth.

Have a great weekend!

Donnie</font>
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July 23rd, 2005, 12:53 pm #38

You did'nt read my post very carefully either. It said "you' garbage. It was a typo on my part. It really said "your" garbage. That means it is "yours" not anyone else's. You are very good a spouting on and on and on about what if's and maybe's. When 'ya grow up and get a life, and maybe a couple friends, instead of alienating the world about the truth??

Steppin off my box

Annie
I never will cease to be amazed at the utterly predictable natures of change agents and others who oppose God's truth and this web site. Having no solid ground whatsoever upon which to support their unbiblical agenda, their pseudo-Christian personalities rapidly crumble to reveal unfortunate, empty shells capable of no greater "achievements" than hurling insults, sarcasm, and/or character assassinations. "Annie" perfectly demonstrates this to us from the dark depths of anonymity:

"When 'ya grow up and get a life, and maybe a couple friends, instead of alienating the world about the truth??"

"Annie" and others of like persuasion exist only to goad and harass, "get under the skin," divide and tear down. Would that they could aspire to higher, Christian virtues.
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August 5th, 2005, 6:21 am #39

February 2001

Most Madison Church of Christ members were oblivious to this article, “More Holyroller Influence at Madison” in the February "Plumbline Newsletter" which quotes the "Madison Marcher.”
  • The third worship service at Madison is to be held at the same time as the 10:30 a.m. worship. The "atmosphere will be more conducive to non-Christians. Many “unchurched” people are intimidated by a more formal atmosphere...." The worship affair will be an effort "...to make it easier for people with no church background to feel comfortable.... More time will be given to singing and communion... The sermons will not be as long as what we are used to. There is no question that God is working among our church family. He recognized our suppressed capacity to love…. Attendance for this first Sunday was 538 souls." Jim Hinkle said, "We will not be still, we will not be quiet."
February 2001

The elders announced that a "Third Contemporary" service that they had previously formed was going to be melted into the 10:00 a.m. or second service.
  • This announcement established a "contemporary service" at 10:00 AM and the 8:00 AM service remained unchanged. While making this announcement, Elder Buck Dozier said the Fire Marshal’s office had said there were too many people in the third service for the size of the auditorium. Since Buck is the past Fire Chief, one has to wonder if this was just a staged excuse to proceed with what was already planned.
February 25, 2001

Tom Haddon is instructing his "Homebuilders" class on how to transition the church members over to the ways of the Saddleback Community Church and that of "Holy Entertainment." He talks about the well laid plans that only a few know about. See the transcript of February 25th class.

March 2001

Praise teams, hand clapping, and raised hands during prayer have been introduced at the second service. Children’s Sunday school has been changed from Bible-based to more entertainment and singing. Young women teaching Sunday school to baptized young men.

April 13, 2001

The elders respond to a NewsChannel5 report about growing controversy at the Madison Church of Christ. They send out a LETTER to 683 Churches of Christ in the Channel 5 viewing area.
  • "The controversy seems to be over-reaction to change. The main things we have done in the 10:30 service are introduce more upbeat praise songs, give less time to the sermon, and give greater emphasis to the Lord's Supper. This embraces a more contemporary format, of course, but we don't feel that it departs from scriptural worship."

    See ConcernedMembers’ Letter to the Elders of 683 Churches of Christ.
April 22, 2001

In this meeting on April 22, 2001 the deacons ask the elders, “What is going on?” On May 02,2001 the Elders reply in a letter. Here Are the Questions and the Elders’ Answers

May 2001

Concerned members receive a copy of a rough draft of a "Covenant of Membership" that was supposedly written by Elder Buck Dozier. Mr. Dozier admitted "playing" around with one when contacted.
  • The concern about a "Covenant of Membership" is that it's one of the hallmark signs of a "Community Church" like Saddleback. They are generally written in such a way to assure that the membership can't take over the "community church" like they took over your church.
July 2001

According to THIS ARTICLE in the Tennessean, the elders bring in a mediator (Larry Sullivan) to help with the split within the church. We understand that Buck Dozier met Mr. Sullivan while attending a "seminar." Meetings are set up for the elders—we understand they had to swear to secrecy. Meetings are set up for the members to discuss their objections to the split contemporary and traditional services.

It's later shown by the ConcernedMembers that LARRY SULLIVAN is not an unbiased mediator. He has direct ties to the Saddleback organization. He is trained in using the HEGELIAN DIALECTIC techniques to compromise a groups consensus in whatever direction is predetermined.

Mid-August, 2001

By this time many members have left the Church. The unpaid volunteer minister on this particular Sunday abruptly left before giving his sermon at the second service. He was allowed only the last 6 minutes of worship time by the “worship leader.” Sometime during this period, Buck Dozier appeared in Bill Ruhl's adult class to take over. Bill Ruhl's absence was unexplained to the class.

August 29, 2001

Concerned members send out 2500 ballots and a LETTER asking for church members to indicate on the ballot the type of church service format they wanted. All ballots were to be received by September 20, 2001. Threatening phone calls are received by the contractor hired by ConcernedMembers to do the mailing (August 30, 2001). Other notes not full of brotherly love are received by mail. Ballots from ConcernedMembers mailing are tabulated, and totals posted along with a FINAL REPORT (September 15, 2001)

September 23, 2001

The members have been waiting on an announcement from the elders regarding the future format of services at the Madison Church of Christ. Today (09-23-01) that announcement was made.
  • EVERYTHING WILL REMAIN AS IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 30, 2001 (Sunday)

Larry Sullivan was Guest Speaker! (The Unbiased Mediator)

October 11, 2001 (Thursday)

Deacons had a special meeting with an attendance of over 100 concerned members and deacons. Petitions were given out to collect signatures—to dismiss “the elders that have split the Madison Church of Christ.” Petitions are due to be turned in by Wednesday the 17th.

October 14, 2001 (Sunday)

Frank Scott delivered his first in a series of talking head animated and canned sermons. Sometime during this period, two elders resigned—J.D. Elliott and Bobby McElhiney.

October 17, 2001 (Wednesday)

A member reported that Wednesday night when she inquired at the help desk as to where she should turn in her petitions, she was told by the lady: "Over there with the trouble makers … they are the mafia." Sometime during this period two more elders talked about resigning! No confirmation of that as of today.

October 21, 2001 (Sunday)

Sermon—Second in a three-part series of Frank Scott being a talking head for a canned and animated sermon on joy and entertainment. The words "corporate worship" and joy and entertainment were used extensively. Interesting!

Deacons—The deacons, headed by Ben Jones, nicely and in a very godly way asked the leaders to step down and let the church elect new leadership. (Complete transcript is available.)

October 24, 2001 (Wednesday)

”Elders and Deacons” meeting tonight! We understand that the 7 or 8 elders that have caused a split at Madison Church of Christ have been formally asked to step down or be disfellowshipped.

October 25, 2001 (Thursday)

”Saddleback Planters” meeting tonight! Talked about rebuking Ben Jones Sunday!
  • To rebuke is to criticize or reprove sharply; to reprimand.
    To reprove is to criticize for a fault or misdeed; to scold.
    To rebuke or reprove Ben Jones, then, Ben Jones must have done a misdeed.
    To define that misdeed, those who will rebuke him must find applicable scriptures.
What Ben did was to give each and every Madison Church of Christ member an opportunity to ask for forgiveness or repentance for causing division or for allowing division to occur.

October 26, 2001 (Friday)
  • Flash message coming in the next 72 hours from the ConcernedMembers!
October 28, 2001 (Sunday)

T H E...M A D I S O N...C H U R C H...O F...C H R I S T...H A S...B E E N...H I J A C K E D ! !

Today, according to an announcement made by everyone's favorite elder, Russ Kersten, the church has been hijacked by all the concerned members, deacons and I guess that includes the 5 elders that have been holding out against them. … Is “hijack” a chargeable offense in the church?

October 29, 2001 (Monday)

We received a copy of a letter sent to the deacons. And we felt compelled to reply. ConcernedMembers announced future plans (10/30/01). The server for this web page has recorded 22,645 page views since its creation 8 weeks ago (11/1/01).

November 2, 2001

Transcript of Homebuilders Sunday School class—a recording of Tom Haddon on how to transition the congregation to Saddleback and Holy Entertainment in Homebuilders Class (available under Interviews & Transcripts).

November 4, 2001

J.R. Compton and wife, members at Madison Church of Christ for 58 years, came before congregation to ask for forgiveness and ask to have their names removed as members.

November 7, 2001

Interview with Gary McDade of the Getwell Church of Christ in Memphis, TN. Discussion concerning the takeover of churches by the "Community Church" movement and the embracement of this movement by many of the Christian colleges.

November 9, 2001

Two different sources say Bruce White has been hired as a new minister.

November 20, 2001

ConcernedMembers retract a letter sent by the elders to 683 churches of Christ.

November 21, 2001

Email from J.E. Choate—“And also another personal evaluation is that Buck Dozier should be the first to leave the Madison eldership. His qualifications for the work is moot at best. His past shows that he is no stranger to igniting church fires with no solutions."

November 28, 2001 December 02, 2001

Bruce White appears to have been warmly welcomed as new minister at the Madison Church of Christ. First sermon was about the degrees of love. It appears that the “Praise Team” and their microphones have been turned off in the second service for the time being.

December 18, 2001

Fundraising letter sent out by the Church. Student ministry letter to former members (12/19/01).

January 20, 2002 (Sunday)

Rumor says there is a new group forming called "The PeaceMakers." Their training is probably coming from PEPPERDINE.

January 21, 2002 (Monday)

Letter sent by Donnie Cruz to the elders and other people about the crisis at Madison. The Christian Chronicle publishes article about Madison Church of Christ (01/21/02).

February 4, 2002 (Monday)

We understand that Buck has presented the members of “The Peacemakers" with a list of 192 reasons churches split. We wonder if pagan worship practices were on the list?

February 6, 2002 (Wednesday)

Big flare-up at church Wednesday night. We understand 4 or 5 of the good and godly elders have resigned, leaving the church under the control of the clapper and Saddleback crowd.

February 9, 2002 (Saturday)

After the resignation of two elders last year, Madison Church of Christ was left with 13 elders: Bill Bennett, Dale Bishop, John Broadway, Joe Corley, Buck Dozier, Chris Gingles, Howard Henderson, Tommy Hoppes, Russ Kersten, Charles Link, Ken Rice, Norman Slate, Ray Wilson. Five of these elders had been opposed to the "praise teams" and clapping which had permeated the second service since last February 2001. This was when Elder Buck Dozier first announced the decision to turn the new third service loose on the second service. The five elders that were opposed we believe were: Joe Corley, Bill Bennett, Dale Bishop, Norman Slate, and Charles Link.

It's understood Tom Haddon and about 200 of his followers threatened to leave sometime ago when the praise teams were stopped. It's understood that Chris Gingles encouraged them to stay and fight it out. Recently the Haddon followers put the push back on to bring back the praise teams, through the elders they control. It's understood that the elders had become rather hostile toward each other, and when this push came again, then 4 of the 5 elders resigned. Charles Link was out of town, and it is assumed he will resign when he returns.

Quote as told to Bobby M. Johnson by one of the elders: "... told me that there had been a recent meeting of the 10:30 AM crowd including Chris Gingles’ and Tom Haddon's followers and they said they would never leave. So that with the push to return to the praise teams and the microphones was the “last straw."

The 5 elders had already decided to resign if the “winds of change” didn't subside. So that's that! 3 of these elders also announced that they would probably be attending church at other locations sometime in the future. [No one here blames them, and we can only try to imagine the pain they have been put through. We are sure that like many of us they were unable to continue to worship in that building.]
  • HAS GOD LEFT THE BUILDING?

    ConcernedMembers announce statewide newspaper advertising campaign
February 10, 2002 (Sunday)
  • Sunday Services reviewed by Donnie Cruz [see earlier “Timeline”]
February 11, 2002 (Monday)

We at ConcernedMembers have been told that when the 4 elders resigned, that they were assured that their letter would be read to the congregation. Well, as you are probably aware ... not only did their letter not get read, there was also no mention of their resignation, other than a little blip in the Marcher. We have been promised a copy of this letter, and we intend to post it on the web as soon as we get it up.
  • The Elders’ Resignation Letter Is Here [see earlier “Timeline”]
February 2-17, 2002
  • Announcement by the Elders [see earlier “Timeline”]
March 1, 2002

The Trap Has Been Set at the Madison Church of Christ [see earlier “Timeline”]

In the February 20, 2002 Madison Marcher, statement made by the elders February 17, 2002:
  • 4. "We believe that there can be unity in diversity and will continue to employ two styles of worship services."
March 10, 2002 (Sunday)

Screen presentation of the elders [6 have already resigned] and their length of service helps Donnie Cruz to figure it out:
  • <font face=courier>(1) John Broadway ...... since 1998
    (2) Buck Dozier ........ since 1996
    (3) Chris Gingles ...... since 1998
    (4) Howard Henderson ... since 1999
    (5) Tommy Hoppes ....... since 1999
    (6) Russ Kersten ....... since 1992
    (7) Charles Link ....... since 1978
    (8) Ken Rice ........... since 1989
    (9) Ray Wilson ......... since 1992</font>

    (Most of the Remaining Elders Are ... That Explains It! [see earlier “Timeline”])
March 24, 2002 (Sunday)

Charismatic Contemporary Style Continues: March 24, 2002 [see earlier “Timeline”]
  • I don’t believe it is all right to be singing “It’s All Right” when the church is not united in spirit because of what this worship facilitation program has done to begin with. It is NOT ALL RIGHT when the body of Christ is suffering….
March 31, 2002
  • SUNDAY SERVICES—“Easter"

    Notes from the “Madison Marcher” (Wednesday, March 27, 2002):

    Bruce White: “We are going to have a great day next Sunday. It is Easter, and we [are] looking for a large crowd. I especially want to see the children in the colorful clothes.” Of the “Great Day in May” (May 5): “… will have a big lunch under the tent at 12:00. One of our choruses will entertain at 1:30.”
May 19-26, 2002; June 2, 2002
  • Changes Continue At Madison [see earlier Timeline]

    (1) the present deacons will be interviewed by the elders and new deacons will be named; (2) there will be additional elders to be selected; (3), the "love feast" -- and it's only "fitting" -- is to follow the Lord's Supper; (4) Canaan's Land is moving; (5) the "praise team" will be reinstated in the early part of July.
June 23, 2002 (Sunday)
  • ELDER CHARLES LINK RESIGNS, and more!
August 1, 2002
  • Is There a Tithing Pledge in Madison's Future? Donnie Cruz reports, there could be!
September 1, 2002 (Sunday)
  • Small Groups, Living Stones, or Prayer Circles?
October 27, 2002
  • TITHING NT Christians for Services of the OT Levitical Priests

    We are continuing to monitor the progress of the tithing campaign at Madison as taught by Dr. White, based on the tithing manual (“Take God at His Word”) written by Dr. Kregg Hood. Is the truth about tithing (equals 10%) continuing to be perverted as a CARRY-OVER and as a PERPETUAL command from the Old Testament for New Testament Christians? Since Dr. White proclaimed his message in August 2002 that we TITHE to TEST God and to let Him give the increase, we will be referring to the following amounts collected as being “TITHED”:

    <font face=courier>==================================================================
    Church Budget ----------------- 47,143 (2001) ---- 38,000 (2002)
    Children’s Home ---------------- 5,400 (2001) ----- 4,021 (2002)
    Amazing Grace/CPI -------------- 3,000 (2001) ----- 1,539 (2002)
    ==================================================================
    TOTAL BUDGET---- -------------- 55,543 (2001) ---- 43,560 (2002)
    ==================================================================
    ------------- (Sermons on “TITHING” in August 2002) ------------</font>
November 7, 2002
  • Transcription of Bruce White's Sermon on Tithing [see earlier Timeline]

    VOTE:
    Would you be willing to sign a Tithing Pledge?
    Would you be willing to sign a Church Oath or Covenant?
January 5, 2003 (Sunday)

DRAMA MINISTRY KICKOFF JANUARY 19 (by Kelley Hughes, Madison Marcher)
  • Drama is nothing new at Madison Church of Christ. From the Summer Spectaculars to Canaan’s Land … we have a long and great tradition of using drama to touch the lives of our members and visitors…. So Jesus himself used A TYPE OF THEATRE to help get his point across…. You may know of someone who is “UNCHURCHED” … The Drama Ministry kickoff meeting will be on January 19 at 5 p.m. in the Fellowship Hall.
April 13, 2003 (Sunday)

EASTER SUNDAY IN “CANAAN’S LAND” (Madison Marcher: April 9, 2003)
  • Easter Sunday is very special to all of us. For the last ten years in Canaan’s Land, we’ve used our time together on that Sunday to reenact the last week in the life of Jesus…. Responsibilities will range from … to dressing kids to assisting at the various story “sets” (e.g., HELPING SERVE CHILDREN BREAD AND GRAPE JUICE DURING THE LAST SUPPER [emphasis, d.c.]). All of us will celebrate Communion together as we reenact the LORD sharing it with His apostles and telling them its meaning.
(On May 19, 2003, Chris: “I received a copy of the CD that has the worship service from "Easter" on it. It was given to me by a member of the production crew there. … Was there any preaching? Or just reading?” Jeremy responded: “I do agree with what has been said about the Easter service. It definitely was a show. And most of the people I've talked to about that service say the same thing….”

May 12, 2003 (Monday)

Madison Church of Christ, Incorporated: ONE YEAR LATER
  • Annual Membership Meeting (Madison Marcher, Vol. 52, No. 19, May 7, 2003):

    Because Madison Church of Christ is now incorporated, we are required to have an annual membership meeting. This meeting will be on Wednesday, June 4, 2003, at 6 p.m. in the Auditorium for the transaction of such business as may come before the meeting.
June 4, 2003

Madison Marcher (6/4/03) announces: “Broadway Resigns From Eldership.” Ken Rice, May Chairman of the Eldership, said, “It is with great regret that we have received the resignation of John Broadway. Here is his statement:”
  • After much prayer and deliberation over the past several weeks, I have decided to submit my resignation from the eldership of the Madison Church of Christ….
June 19, 2003

A comparative analysis of statistics from the 2003 publication of “Churches of Christ in the United States,” compiled by Mac Lynn. The counts, based on the reported numbers in 2002, consist of: (1) membership [assumedly “baptized” believers], (2) average worship attendance, (3) adherents [including children?]. Please notice MCC’s staggering data.
  • <font face=courier>---------------------------------------- Members/Attendance/Adherents
    Goodlettsville Church of Christ ---------- 490 ----- 685 ----- 770
    Hendersonville Church of Christ --------- 1557 ---- 1323 ---- 2105
    Woodmont Hills Church of Christ(*)------- 1660 ---- 2300 ---- 2500
    Madison Church of Christ ---------------- 3142 ---- 1786 ---- 4730
    Richland Hills Church of Christ, TX ----- 4450 ---- 3700 ---- 5240

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    (*) Not listed as “Woodmont Hills Family of God” in the directory
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</font>
July 23, 2003

Madison Marcher: “We are expanding the leadership of this great church.
  • Terry Ashley,
    Mark Street,
    Phil Coats
are being added to the eldership today. We are so pleased to see this number grow and expect to be able to service more effectively with these men in place.”

August 6, 2003

Madison Marcher: “The Madison Church of Christ has always had a heart for children and will continue to respond to, assist, and nurture children. We have our camp, youth activities, classes, and other programs for children … Morning Star Sanctuary…. So, we need to support all of these activities through our Sunday School Contribution. The Childcare program … however, will be closed. The State of Tennessee Children’s Services has altered the approach to childcare….”

August 13, 2003

Madison Marcher: “The shepherds are planning a new vision for Madison. They will be listening for awhile and then formulating what the Spirit leads them to envision for this church. Your prayers are earnestly solicited.”

September 3, 2003
  • Madison Marcher: “We want to encourage both 8:00 and 10:30 services. You will see the designation “traditional” and “contemporary” on our sign and in publication to inform the community of a choice. We hope that both times will see increase in attendance and involvement.” . . . “CALLING ALL SINGERS! The Worship and Music ministry is looking for additional singers. We are especially in need of male singers….” [also appeared in the next 2 weeks].
September 17, 2003
  • Madison Marcher: “Check your Saturday newspaper and find our new advertisement! . . . ||EVERY SUNDAY||--||Traditional Worship 8:00 am||--||Sunday School 9:30 am||--||Contemporary Worship 10:30 am||--||Evening Worship 6:00 pm|| . . . ||Pulpit Minister, Dr. C. Bruce White||--||Worship Minister, Keith Lancaster||”
September 28, 2003

The message on this Sunday was “Worthy of Double Honor.” It had been announced: “We are planning a very special day on September 28. We will be honoring our shepherds that day.” Former elders (J.D. Elliott, Bobby McElhiney, Charles Link, etc., with their wives) were honored first; current elders, with their wives, were also honored.

October 8, 2003
  • Madison Marcher: “Please pray for our shepherds. These men are going through some very trying meetings right now. The future of this congregation is weighing heavy on their hearts as they seek the Spirit’s guidance. They need your support and encouragement.”
December 15, 2003
  • A special e-mail has been received: “<font color=indigo>… I am troubled by the innovations, because they seem mostly to lean toward entertainment and behavior that I grew up associating with Pentecostal orgiastic ‘worship services.’ I quit going to Tulsa due to this. ...” </font>
December 17, 2003
  • Madison Marcher: “Keith Lancaster will be taking a sabbatical from Madison for the next several months to spend more time with Acappella. We wish him well and look forward to his return!”
February 4, 2004

Madison Marcher: “A WORD FROM THE SHEPHERDS”
  • Shepherds’ Vision 2004: The shepherds have spent the last several months focusing on prayer and preparation of a course for the church family at Madison. … We will maintain a traditional worship style in our 8:00 service on Sunday morning and a contemporary style of worship at 10:30. We are interested in accommodating a worship style which connects the worshipper with the Creator … The elders have implemented a functional change in their roles as shepherds. An Elders Administrative Committee composed of … and Buck Dozier, in conjunction with the Business Manager, will handle day-to-day administrative details. The remaining elders will give their “attention to prayer and the ministry of the Word.” The goal of the elders is to “smell like sheep.” … The Deacons Administrative Committee….

    We will be searching for a pulpit minister, as Dr. White enters partial retirement. He will continue to work on staff in other ministries. We look for a long relationship with him and Judy.

    We will be looking for anew youth minister to lead our program of developing our young people into leaders for tomorrow.
February 18, 2004

“A Little Flavor of Rick Warren’s Saddleback Community Church-ism”—the following was advertised in the Madison Marcher:
  • 27th Ladies Renewal (April 16th-17th, 2004) in Cadiz, KY—

    Come share the Love of Our Lord and your sisters in Christ.
    ”The Purpose Driven Life”
    We will use the book by Rick Warren as we study God’s Word
March 10, 2004
  • Interactive EASTER drama worship—Dr. White announces change in schedule: The drama presentation on “Easter Sunday” will no longer be an event in the “traditional” worship—it will be performed only during the “contemporary” worship.
March 23, 2004
  • Announcement on the Church Sign: <font color=blue>WORSHIP WITH US EASTER APRIL 11, 8 & 10:30 A.M. … EASTER PASSION WORSHIP DRAMA AT 10:30 A.M. </font>
  • Easter Worship Drama (Madison Marcher, March 17, 2004). “ . . . <font color=indigo>Easter Sunday [emphasis here and elsewhere, dc] is always a special time at Madison—but this year, April 11th is going to be unlike any worship experience we’ve ever shared together. During our 10:30 service [wonder why not at 8:00 am, dc], the story of Christ’s last hours—culminating in His Crucifixion and Resurrection—will be presented in the form of an interactive worship drama.

    Everyone is encouraged to attend this special time of worship
    </font>
April 5, 2004
  • FRONT PAGE re “EASTER SUNDAY PASSION DRAMA”: (MADISON MARCHER, March 31, 2004). “ . . . <font color=indigo>Experience much of the excitement next week as our Easter Sunday Passion Drama plays out at the 10:30 service [wonder why not at 8:00 am, dc] . . . We’ll join Jesus and His apostles in the upper room where we, as a congregation, will celebrate the Lord’s Supper. … This promises to be a very moving, powerful retelling of the Easter Story….”

    Calendar: April 11 (Sunday—Easter) … Easter Worship Drama … 10:30 a.m.— ”The story of Christ’s last hours culminating in His Crucifixion and Resurrection will be presented in the form of an interactive worship drama.
    </font>
April 12, 2004

Jim Morris, who began serving as an elder at the same time with Pat Burch and Marty Rothschild in September, 2002, made the following announcement in the Madison Marcher (Vol. 53, No. 13, April 7, 2004), “Statement to Madison Church:” This is not the time for me to serve this body as an elder.

The Preacher Potpourri column in the Madison Marcher has announced the following (4.21.04): “We are adding more elders. We want you to submit names to help in the process. Think through your selections, write his name or names on a piece of paper, and share it with one of our shepherds.”

June 9, 2004
  • Russ Kersten retires from eldership (Madison Marcher reports).
June 16, 2004
  • Ray Wilson retires from eldership (Madison Marcher reports).

    There were 15 elders at the end of September 2001—10 of whom have resigned since. Is this report . . . troubling?
    <font face=courier>
    J.D. Elliott ----------- resigned 10/2001
    Bobby McElhiney -------- resigned 10/2001
    Joe Corley ------------- resigned 02/2002
    Bill Bennett ----------- resigned 02/2002
    Dale Bishop ------------ resigned 02/2002
    Norman Slate ----------- resigned 02/2002
    Charles Link ----------- resigned 06/2002 (… served since 1978)
    John Broadway ---------- resigned 06/2003 (… served since 1998)
    Ray Wilson ------------- resigned 06/2004 (… served since 1992)
    Russ Kersten ----------- resigned 06/2004 (… served since 1992)

    Ken Rice --------------- has served since ---1989
    Buck Dozier ------------ has served since ---1996
    Chris Gingles ---------- has served since ---1998
    Howard Henderson ------- has served since ---1999
    Tommy Hoppes ----------- has served since ---1999

    Jim Morris ------------- resigned 04/2004 (… served since 09/2002)
    Pat Burch -------------- has served since 09/2002
    Marty Rothschild ------- has served since 09/2002
    Terry Ashley ----------- has served since 07/2003
    Phil Coats ------------- has served since 07/2003
    Mark Street ------------ has served since 07/2003</font>
July 7, 2004
  • “From the Madison Search Committee” (Madison Marcher)

    “Several months ago … two groups appointed by the elders began praying and working toward the goals of hiring new pulpit and youth ministers. [Both committees included an elder liaison, other men as well as women in each.] … Pray that God … will make His will obvious, and that He will bless Tory’s efforts as he seeks out new opportunities [really?]. …

    “As announced, our new pulpit minister (once hired) will enjoy a period of transition with Bruce and be fully in place by the end of the year. Our new youth minister will join our existing ministry team and assume Tory’s responsibilities—also by year end.” [cf. thread on Tory Tredway]
July 14, 2004
  • Madison Marcher’s special report that “Keith Lancaster returns from sabbatical

    “The Madison family would like to welcome back Keith Lancaster as worship leader. Keith has been on sabbatical, producing two new albums for The Acappella Company. … In addition to working on the new albums, Keith attended the Pepperdine Lectureship in California and led worship at events in Texas…. ‘It is so great to be back with everyone at Madison,’ Keith said. ‘I really missed leading worship here.’

    “Keith will teach a number of new songs in the upcoming weeks, primarily in Homebuilders class on Sunday mornings and Prayer & Praise class on Wednesday nights.

    “Madison is very fortunate to have men who are able to lead worship and not just lead songs. …Lipscomb University now offers a worship ministry major, showing the growth of this trend among Churches of Christ
August 11, 2004
  • In “Devoted: Come to the Table” (Madison Marcher, August 11, 2004), it is explained that the “last quarter of 2004 will be devoted to communion and table fellowship” … “each family is encouraged to purchase a copy of Come to the Table, by John Mark Hicks….”

    In “Come to the Table” (by Dawn Ferguson) …
    • Beginning September 26, Haddon will be sharing the premises behind Hicks’ book with his class as other teachers are also doing throughout the church. To help with the “revisioning” of the Lord’s Supper, … “Janelle is painting two images for the class that will be before us the entire six weeks we’ll be discussing communion,” said Haddon. “One will be the table. The other will be the altar. She’ll be depicting the things we think of when we think of altar – sacrifice, blood, etc. For the table, she’ll be painting Adam and Eve in the garden in the presence of God – before sin separated them from God.”

      Haddon has asked Wells to paint during each class. “Kathy and I are still discussing and praying about what that painting will be,” said Haddon. “Hopefully, it will bring about the overall sense of hope and joy that Hicks believes is symbolized by the table of fellowship.” “… The living host is present at the table eating and drinking with his disciples. … The table on that first Easter, on that first Sunday, was a table of joy and celebration. There was no solemnity, sadness or burdened hearts.” ( Come to the Table, pg. 87)
    [“Come to the Table” (“Revisioning” the Lord’s Supper) authored by John Mark Hicks is taught at Madison.]
August 18, 2004
  • “Madison Has Two New Elders” (Madison Marcher). See the June 16, 2004 list, plus:

    <font face=courier>John Hagan ------------- appointed August 2004
    Jim Wilson ------------- appointed August 2004 </font>
October 6, 2004
  • In “Phil Barnes/Pulpit MinisterFrom the Elders (Madison Marcher):

    “Before his start date of November 1 [2004] , we would like to share some of our thoughts regarding Phil [Barnes]. … Phil Barnes is that man. We believe he is a God-lead choice whose strengths closely match the needs of Madison….”
October 27, 2004
  • In “Madison’s newest praise team joins active ministry” (Madison Marcher):

    “The praise teams at Madison have been blessed … the Gold Team emerges as Madison’s newest praise team….”
November 17, 2004
  • The Madison Marcher declares “White Sock Sunday (a.k.a. ‘Sock It Away Campaign’) Success.” In addition to the “regular” contribution, the financial campaign contribution toward “Debt Retirement” was $304,664.67….
December 1, 2004
  • This month was highlighted by “Your Holiday Events” (Madison Marcher, 11.24.2004) with activities as: “Christmas of Hope” (12/2) benefiting the Morning Star Sanctuary; “Breakfast with Santa” (12/4, Sat.) in the Church Mall [$4 for adults, $2 for ages 3-11]; “A S’mores Christmas Party (12/4, Sat.)—“Parents Night Out—Kids Night of Fun”; “Singles’ Christmas Party” (12/2, Sat., 7-9 p.m., $15 per person at…)—‘Bring a wrapped Christmas ornament to play {Dirty Santa}’; “CHRISTMAS SINGING” (12/19, Sunday at 6 p.m., Bixler Chapel)—‘Start your holiday week with this inspiring service

    The new pulpit minister, Phil Barnes, addresses his affinity for Christmas: “‘Merry Christmas’ has been replaced with ‘Happy Holidays.’ … It’s so easy to walk right past the manger with our arms full of gifts, isn’t it? … But … the one God sent to all of us wrapped in cloth and lying in a manger … Jesus Christ is Born!” [on December 25]

    “What Is The Drama Ministry (cf. Madison Marcher, 12.1.2004). “The goal of the drama ministry is to give glory to God through the use of drama declaring, illustrating and clarifying Biblical truth [emph., d.c.]…” using I Corinthians 9:22 [becoming “all things to all men”]; I Peter 4:10-11 [“whatever gift”]; Eph. 6:19-20 [“make known the mystery of the gospel”].

    Sounds like misuse of the scriptures. The other “minister(s)” would have been closer to the truth had they quoted one of their own chief ministering change agents:
    • <font color=blue size=3 face=Times New Roman> “Drama works because we KNOW that it ISN'T TRUE. IF the word entertainment does mean to DIVERT one’s attention, to cause to be pleasurable, to cause to be interesting, then that is what we're here to do.”</font>
January 16, 2005
  • Beginning this Sunday and the following, Phil Barnes, as a strong advocate of the Community Church/Change Movement, delivers sermons such as: “Is This All There Is to It?”; “Shattering the Shackles”; “Remove the Chains”; etc. These are favorite agenda among change movers. See “Timeline, Part VIII” for details.
January 26, 2005
  • Beginning this issue of the Madison Marcher, Keith Lancaster, the Musical Worship Leader, writes a series of articles on musical worship: (1) “Worship: It’s All About You, God!” [Notice how he “personally” addresses our heavenly Father—a semblance of “Hey, Man!”]; (2) “Worship: Our Great Heritage of Singing” [What heritage?]; (3) “Worship: God-Centered Singing” [What about Worship-Leader-Praise-Team-Centered Holy Entertainment at the Worship Center?]. See “Timeline, Part VIII” for details.
February 16, 2005
  • The “INTERACTIVE EASTER WORSHIP DRAMA” all over again!!! “This year on Saturday, March 26th at 7 p.m. and again on Easter Sunday during our 10:30 a.m. worship service, we will be celebrating the Easter Story together in an interactive worship drama … attend these special times of worship … when we will celebrate the Lord’s Supper … no … Canaan’s Land … during the Easter Morning worship service.” [This was brought up in “Timeline, Part VIII” for discussion … but unfortunately diverted into other irrelevant topics.]
March 17, 2005
  • A review of an article, “Phil Barnes/Pulpit Minister,” in the Madison Marcher (Vol. 53, No. 39, Oct. 6, 2004) reveals the obvious path that the church leaders are treading. “The elders composed a list of 15 … matching … characteristics necessary [for] … that man … to carry Madison forward….” What qualifications? <font color=indigo>“… Sensitive to traditional/contemporary services … Relevant to today’s environment … Team oriented—gets along well with others … People person … Motivator/promoter [of change, d.c.]….”</font> One very keen observer noted the list as being “Bible-starved
March 27, 2005
  • The contemporary assembly at 10:30 a.m. was entertained with the performance of the “Interactive Easter Worship Drama,” but the 8:00 a.m. assembly was “deprived” of the Easter festival [thank you!!!] Note that some of the elders actually participated in the “Worship Drama.” Was “worship” interactive? There was virtually no congregational participation. All the intervening music during the drama was performed by the “worship leader” [in a “priestly” white robe] and his minstrels. However, the audience participated in the long applause at the conclusion of the worship drama.
April 10, 2005
  • There was the “combined worship service” at 10:00 on this “Madison Family Day.” The “worship leader,” and his Praise Team and handclappers were in their best behavior. The atmosphere was reverential; the Praise Team members had to hide their microphones; the other cheerleaders proved that the clapping hands have no vocal cords. Congregational singing was evident on this day.

    Well, unfortunately, all of that was only transient. On the Sunday following, of course, the “charismatic” behavior of some and the concert-like environment did quickly return. (Please read the article in Part IX titled “The Sunday I Was at the ‘Christian’ Rock Concert.”)
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Quoting Phil Sanders:
  • <font color=blue size=3 face=Times New Roman> “Entertainment settings should not be regarded as periods of worship. … There is no harm in clapping with appreciation for the entertainer, but clapping in worship seems to take the focus off of God and put it on the performer. To be caught up in the skill of a performer and to lose sight of God dilutes and cheapens worship. The rock star status accorded to some entertainers has little place next to the cross. In worship the focus must be on praising God, not the skills of men. Worship put on for show is clearly condemned in Scripture (Matt. 6:1-18; 23:5-12). … The recent blurrings of these distinctions [between entertainment and worship], coupled with the exposure to so many denominational worship services on television, services which feature professional performers, has created the confusion.” </font>
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“Worship Ministry”—Its LOST Focus on Worship
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Only the last name [but not the first character] of each “responsible” individual below has been changed “to protect the innocent.” The following list of “Updates and Improvements” was addressed to the “Worship Team” of the Madison congregation on December 29, 2004:

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<font size=5>WORSHIP MINISTRY</font>
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<font face=courier>ANNOUNCEMENT SLIDES_______Responsible: Keith Hill</font>
  • Need to run 5 minutes before service begins (Sundays 8:00 A.M., 10:30 A.M. and 6:00 P.M. and Wednesdays 6:30 P.M.) and immediately at the end of each service for 5 minutes.
  • Add numerous interesting Madison details/factoids with as many pictures as possible.
<font face=courier>SLIDE CONTENT_____________Responsible: Keith Hill</font>
  • Make sure words don’t bleed off the screen for sermon notes or song lyrics. Due to the limitations of the viewable space on the screen in the auditorium, refrain from utilizing the top ¼ to 1/3 of the screen for text.
  • For song lyrics, use minimal capitalization—generally just first word of slide and any references to Deity. Often the letter O looks better capitalized too, as in O what a glorious God.
  • Minimal punctuation, only what is critical for understanding. Rarely use ending punctuation (exclamation points, periods, etc)
  • If men and women sing different parts, call them men and women, not ladies, guys, females etc.
  • The overall text of a song should be consistent in font size. Be sure that the text size doesn’t change during a complete song.
<font face=courier>SLIDE PROOFING____________Responsible: Keith Hill</font>
  • Be sure to check lyrics against the Finale sheet music if we have that song in Finale. There are three different folders in the Finale file. Most of the music that is finalized is in the “master” folder. Ken’s songs have not been checked by KL [Keith “Clapmaster”] yet but we are still using them. Most of these are traditional songs from the hymnals that Eric and Ken are entering for us to have in Finale. That way it is quick and easy to pull a whole service from Finale most of the time, even the early/evening services.
  • Utilize a third-party proofer.
  • If the sheet music is not in Finale, be sure to check the lyrics against the hymnal in Bixler OR the hymnal in the auditorium, depending on where the service will be held.
  • Review song lyrics for all upcoming services on Wednesday.
  • Operator review each program with worship leader before each service.
<font face=courier>VIDEO MINISTRY____________Responsible: Keith Hill</font>
  • Have videos reviewed on Wednesday prior to the Sunday service.
<font face=courier>SHEET MUSIC_______________Responsible: Leanne Sheay</font>
  • Copy praise team music books for late service, Prayer & Praise class, funerals, away games and other praise team events.
  • Prepare worship leader books as needed.
<font face=courier>PRAYER LEADERS____________Responsible: Leanne Sheay</font>
  • Contact prayer leaders for both Sunday morning services and Prayer & Praise class; mail their reminder cards; explain flow/procedures to all.
<font face=courier>ASSEMBLY READINGS_________Responsible: Leanne Sheay</font>
  • Research and prepare good hymn backgrounds for future use; get ahead at least 10 of these to choose from.
  • Congregational readings from Scripture; get ahead at least 10 selections to choose from.
  • Congregational readings (creative/poetic), same quantity.
  • Call to worship passages, same
  • Shepherd’s blessings, same
<font face=courier>SONG TRACKING_____________Responsible: Leanne Sheay</font>
  • Track song usage in a spreadsheet.
<font face=courier>SINGING WORKSHOP__________Responsible: Kay Nickens</font>
  • Plan course content, logistics, materials/handouts needed.
  • Plan promotion and communications needs.
<font face=courier>PRAISE TEAM & LEADER DEVT Responsible: Kay Nickens</font>
  • Plan double praise team makeup, rehearsal schedules, music needs.
  • Plan and implement praise team events, including banquet, training workshops and fellowship events.
  • Orient new praise team members.
  • Plan training times for additional worship leaders.
  • Help facilitate teen praise team launch and children’s chorus.
<font face=courier>LONG RANGE PLANNING_______Responsible: Kay Nickens</font>
  • Prayer & Praise class
  • Introduction of new songs
  • Finale (sheet music) needs
  • Tabulate data from song tracking database
  • Future video ideas
<font face=courier>WRITING___________________Responsible: Kay Nickens</font>
  • Newsletter development; write additional training articles and news articles.
  • Marcher articles (Keith’s series on worship, Chris’ articles on P&P)
<font face=courier>DEPT. TRACKING PROCESS____Responsible: Kay Nickens</font>
  • Plan and implement tracking and follow-through for action items
<font face=courier>NEW SONG BOOK_____________Responsible: Kay Nickens</font>
  • Coordinate roll-out of new song book, including sales of individual copies
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<font color=red>Matthew 4—“[1] Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. [2] And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. [3] And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. [4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. [5] Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, [6] And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. [7] Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [8] Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; [9] And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. [10] Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve

Matthew 15—“[7] Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [8] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [9] But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men

John 4—“[20] Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. [21] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. [22] Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. [23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth
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Donnie Cruz

August 28th, 2005, 1:17 am #40

<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>I know … I know it’s been a while since Annie told me, “You are very good a spouting on and on and on about what if's and maybe's. When 'ya grow up and get a life, and maybe a couple friends, instead of alienating the world about the truth?”

So, what does “alienating the world about the truth” really mean?

Hopefully, the reader has gotten a pretty good picture of what really goes on with the “worship ministry” that the spiritual leaders of Madison have allowed to go on and on. I thought that the ministry of the church was generally understood to mean some spiritual service which pertains to the preaching of the gospel of Christ leading to the conversion of souls—UNPAID!!! Remember, God’s message is free and it is proclaimed so that the unconverted who hears this message will receive this FREE offer of salvation.

I have presented three important documents that clearly illustrate that the PAID “worship ministry” at Madison is funded with the saints’ contribution intended for the needy saints. “Worship Ministry” … did you say? Wha-a-a-a…???? PAID out-of-focus “services” for the Lord … eh … eh … eh?
  • <font color=red>Romans 1:1, 25-26—“We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. … But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem

    Romans 12:[10] Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; [11] Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; [12] Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; [13] Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.</font>
In addition, I will never forget what Dan Lucarini said [cf. e-mail above]:
  • I see you are still stirring up the 'worship' hornet nest! So am I. As a former worship leader, I knew exactly what the order of service you printed means. I chuckled at the 'VCC' (verse-chorus-repeat chorus). At the same time, seeing it again made me realize afresh how trite and manipulative is the entire exercise of 'planning worship'.
Yes, I have a lot of catching up to do. [Meanwhile, the “Worship Leader,” with his “Praise Team,” is not off the hook.] OK, the “worship team” has its performances and holy entertainment unabated—even though the participants, except the “Worship Leader,” with their hand-held microphones are not appearing on stage yet … not yet … but still they are performing.

One elder has passed away; two elders have been appointed by fellow elders; and another elder has resigned since the recent appointment of the two.

By the way, we have discussed in the past the “brotherly relationship” between the former “interim pulpit minister,” Dr. Bruce White, and the “Worship Leader—who was the real boss? It is about time we also see the same “brotherly relationship” between the current “pulpit minister,” Phil Barnes, and the “Worship Leader—who is the real boss? Who wins between the musical worship entertainer and the supposedly proclaimer of the truth?

So, I have bumped this thread. Please review the documents presented earlier.

Donnie </font>
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