What Did the Word (Logos) become???

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January 26th, 2017, 5:26 am #11

Sarge is right up there with the theological Generals! He just takes snippets out of the body of a goat and says that it is a deer. THAT'S the Pattern of those FOREORDAINED who can never either try or succeed in reading BLACK text on WHITE paper. They just can't stop accusing God with being Ignorant for not commanding:

Singing to one another or all of the others with that which is written by Limpy the Praise singer.

Sarge doesn't know a single SCHOLAR who can grasp that SPEAK is not defined as the opposite of ODE as one of those "enchantment" black arts.

Sarge: The WORD became JESUS. John 1:14

The Scriptures:

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
1. the glory AS OF the only begotten of the Father,)
2. FULL of grace and TRUTH.


If Jesus was FULL of TRUTH or the WORD then He could not BE that WORD. Jesus was BEGOTTEN of the FATHER therefore for we DISCIPLES that means that Jesus was NOT the Father.

1. As Of Marks "parables to fool those without a right to know". The Word was made flesh when Jesus SPOKE the Word. Words simply don't become human bodies.

2. The Grace OF God hath appeared TEACHING US. Jesus was the embodiment of Word and Grace but neither are members of a FAMILY of Gods.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy TRUTH: thy WORD is truth.


Word and Truth have the same meaning: there is no God person named Word and there is no god person named Truth.

Eph. 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the WORD OF TRUTH, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


The WORD of Truth is the Gospel: there is no God person named Gospel.

And let all of the CHRISTIANS say:

Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is ONE God; and there is NONE OTHER BUT HE:


Jesus the Man said that there is just ONE GOD and He did not say "I AM that one god." I'm sorry about those strong delusions marked by religious observations TO WHICH the Kingdom does not come.
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January 26th, 2017, 5:31 am #12

Sarge is right up there with the theological Generals! He just takes snippets out of the body of a goat and says that it is a deer. THAT'S the Pattern of those FOREORDAINED who can never either try or succeed in reading BLACK text on WHITE paper. They just can't stop accusing God with being Ignorant for not commanding:

Singing to one another or all of the others with that which is written by Limpy the Praise singer.

Sarge doesn't know a single SCHOLAR who can grasp that SPEAK is not defined as the opposite of ODE as one of those "enchantment" black arts.

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]Ken, did you mean "Dave" instead of "Sarge"? [I think Dave is a Clemson Tigers fan and Sarge a Crimson Tide fan.][/color]
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January 26th, 2017, 5:49 am #13

Sarge is right up there with the theological Generals! He just takes snippets out of the body of a goat and says that it is a deer. THAT'S the Pattern of those FOREORDAINED who can never either try or succeed in reading BLACK text on WHITE paper. They just can't stop accusing God with being Ignorant for not commanding:

Singing to one another or all of the others with that which is written by Limpy the Praise singer.

Sarge doesn't know a single SCHOLAR who can grasp that SPEAK is not defined as the opposite of ODE as one of those "enchantment" black arts.

Donnie said "Yes, it has much to do with Roman Catholicism."

I could care less what you call it Donnie. John 1 verse 1 is the Word. You can smear it with any platform you choose. Bring on Martin Luther and his 95 papers or whatever. I don't need to see it. I believe ONLY what the Word of God says. You are trying to smear those translators who translated that Greek text because you believe that they had a bias. Those KJV translators were not Inspired authors, but they were LED by God to do His bidding. No one needs your added translation.
"In John 1:1 there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ in the phrase, ‘and the Word was God’. However, in this instance, it cannot just be assumed that the word ‘God’ is meant to be ‘indefinite’, and therefore an indefinite article used in the English translation. Because the first use of the word ‘God’ in John 1:1 (‘the Word was with God’) clearly refers to the Only True God, the Eternal Pre-existent Creator, more than likely John would have used a different Greek construction than he did if he had meant for this next phrase (‘and the Word was God’) to refer to a ‘lesser’ god, and did not want us to confuse this with the True God he had just mentioned. If John meant to avoid confusion, when making such a definitive statement, he could have done so by using this ‘indefinite pronoun’ (‘tis’) as an adjective. This would have made it clear that the Word was ‘a certain god’, but not the one he was just referring to. For examples of this, see the verses Mark 14:51, Luke 8:27, Luke 1:5, and Luke 11:1 (among many, many other examples). So, it seems that by the Greek grammatical structure in this statement, John is indicating that the Word (Jesus Christ - John 1:14) is the same essence and nature as God the Father." James White, Greek Professor.

John 1
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Donnie, we know that the author John is speaking of the Logos here. The Truth being said here is that Only One True God was mentioned in Genesis as the Creator. The Logos is ALSO being spoken of here in John 1 as the CREATOR. THEREFORE....Jesus is God. Deny it if you will. No one will ever force you to believe the Truth. Ever.

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January 26th, 2017, 6:12 am #14

[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]Ken, did you mean "Dave" instead of "Sarge"? [I think Dave is a Clemson Tigers fan and Sarge a Crimson Tide fan.][/color]
I have never been good at those multiple personalities type.
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January 26th, 2017, 6:33 am #15

Donnie said "Yes, it has much to do with Roman Catholicism."

I could care less what you call it Donnie. John 1 verse 1 is the Word. You can smear it with any platform you choose. Bring on Martin Luther and his 95 papers or whatever. I don't need to see it. I believe ONLY what the Word of God says. You are trying to smear those translators who translated that Greek text because you believe that they had a bias. Those KJV translators were not Inspired authors, but they were LED by God to do His bidding. No one needs your added translation.
"In John 1:1 there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ in the phrase, ‘and the Word was God’. However, in this instance, it cannot just be assumed that the word ‘God’ is meant to be ‘indefinite’, and therefore an indefinite article used in the English translation. Because the first use of the word ‘God’ in John 1:1 (‘the Word was with God’) clearly refers to the Only True God, the Eternal Pre-existent Creator, more than likely John would have used a different Greek construction than he did if he had meant for this next phrase (‘and the Word was God’) to refer to a ‘lesser’ god, and did not want us to confuse this with the True God he had just mentioned. If John meant to avoid confusion, when making such a definitive statement, he could have done so by using this ‘indefinite pronoun’ (‘tis’) as an adjective. This would have made it clear that the Word was ‘a certain god’, but not the one he was just referring to. For examples of this, see the verses Mark 14:51, Luke 8:27, Luke 1:5, and Luke 11:1 (among many, many other examples). So, it seems that by the Greek grammatical structure in this statement, John is indicating that the Word (Jesus Christ - John 1:14) is the same essence and nature as God the Father." James White, Greek Professor.

John 1
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Donnie, we know that the author John is speaking of the Logos here. The Truth being said here is that Only One True God was mentioned in Genesis as the Creator. The Logos is ALSO being spoken of here in John 1 as the CREATOR. THEREFORE....Jesus is God. Deny it if you will. No one will ever force you to believe the Truth. Ever.

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I just told you that:

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
1. the glory AS OF the only begotten of the Father,)
2. FULL of grace and TRUTH [WORD]


Word or LOGOS is God's Regulative or Governing Principle because God SPEAKS and things become. A Beings Regulative Principle became visible and audible in the same sense that Light is reflected off something to make it visible. God is Love but Love is not a "god" other than in paganism. God is Righteousness but righteousness is not another god.

The Word made flesh was IN the "only begotten" Son OF the Father. The FATHER is the THINKING or CONCEIVING attribute of Jehovah-Elohim or LORD as the only true ELOHIM. Jesus begotten as a MAN was filled or INspirited with the WORD when the Father breathed (spirit) into the Son. God IS LIGHT: Jesus REFLECTED or made that Light visible. God is WORD: Jesus articulated or sounded forth the WORD which means "That which one SPEAKS in order to make a sentence."

You cannot be FULL of WORD and also BE the WORD. The WORD means W.O.R.D.S as what one speaks EXCLUSIVE of "personal opinions, personal experiences, poetry, singing, playing instrument or acting. The Purpose Driven Church is to TEACH that which has been taught. Father speaks of the "teacher" and Son speaks of one who hears and obeys and then speaks.

Full of the SPIRIT in Ephesians 4 is "The WORD OF Christ Dwelling IN YOU. We can be full of the WORD but that doesn't make us GOD.

<font size="5" color="#FF0000">John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are life.


And they all say as a SALVATION ISSUE:

1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God,
and one mediator between God and men,
the MAN Christ Jesus;


Jesus as HOLY SPIRIT is the mediator-intercessor and HE speaks God's WORDS to we mortals.




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January 26th, 2017, 2:08 pm #16

Ken, If you choose to bury your head in the ground like an ostrich, then that is Ken. The LOGOS, or WORD, is DIFFERENT from God's Words. God spoke many Words, but there is only ONE WORD, which is the Logos, that became Jesus in the flesh. One Word, One God. That is why God is the creator (Exodus) and Jesus, formerly the Word, was also the Creator (john 1). Why were they both the Creator??? BECAUSE.....Jesus is God. No, Jesus is not the Father, He is the Son of God. Ken, you said "I just told you that:.."

THAT is the problem! YOU told me that. What you say and what God says is not the same.
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January 26th, 2017, 2:33 pm #17

The WORD became JESUS. John 1:14

The Word WAS God. John 1:1

Jesus, formerly the Word, was God.


If Jesus, formerly the Word, WAS God, then HE IS GOD. Infinity with God is just that...ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

Ken Sublett continues to believe that THE WORD was something that God just spoke. Whether it is or isn't, the fact remains.....THAT WORD became JESUS in the flesh. THAT WORD WAS/IS GOD!

No Donnie Cruz, YOU KNOW BETTER when you try to downplay John 1:1 as Jesus being another god. We have already had a Greek scholar to confirm this (Donnie Cruz and Ken Sublett are NOT Greek scholars). THIS IS THE SON OF GOD that we are speaking of. That is why His nature was to NOT sin, for He was the ONLY begotten Son of God. He was OF GOD and therefore GOD HIMSELF.

You can't understand that Jesus, being the Son of God, the Son of man, can still be God.

READ and BELIEVE

Philipians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CATHOLICISM. IT HAS TO DO WITH BELIEVING OR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD'S WORD.

Ken and Donnie. A nice reubttal here with blue/red and bigger font would be nice. Thank you ahead of time.
What a word MEANS is determined by how it is used in the languages at the time the glorified Jesus as HOLY SPIRIT inspired the writers. By researching the literature--and I have done lots--LOGOS is used of a person in the MYTHS only of Hermes-Mercury-Kairos as the ANTI Jesus. John used the word very late to debunk the ancient and modern HERMES as the now father of the NEW HERMENEUTICS which is ANTICHRISTIAN,

Probably MOST of the time the words and concepts of Scripture is to DEBUNK pagan religionism. Once you have destroyed the Laden Burdens and Burden Laters Jesus does NOT replace it with new dogmas, clergy or OBSERVATIONS to which the kingdom does not come. Jesus MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God and He is FILLED with the Word. If you can find LOGOS used other to refute a god named Logos then post away. If a preacher is FILLED WITH THE WORD He is filled with SPIRIT and the only thing that can come out of his mouth is WORD.

The Command is INCLUSIVE AND EXCLUSIVE that anyone who speaks for God gives WATER of the WORD free of charge: in the Christian System that is the Prophets and Apostles:

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this WORD [Dabar-Logos],
it is because there is no LIGHT in them.

I posted a long list to prove that WORD is what one SPEAKS or READS. Every descriptor possible IS God but these are not members of the Family of Gods which fuels the urge, as locally, to CHANGE the name to remove Christ from the public confession.

God IS LIGHT but Jesus is the REFLECTOR and not the SUN.

I have the LINKED TEXT of this exclusive list of HOW Little Aaron in a more civilized society would be taught beginning at about age 5 at synagogue schools. I have to repeat, repeat so that readers don't get the veil pulled over their eyes.


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January 26th, 2017, 2:48 pm #18

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Your rebuttal? You certainly can do better than that, Bill. [/color]
Maybe someday Donnie will learn that we will just have to continue to agree to disagree, because we're not about to change each other's minds.

In the meantime, if Donnie continues to post earlier in the evenings, maybe he'll get the sleep that he's desperately needed for quite some time now. After all, long-term sleep deprivation makes people kinda crazy (and in some cases, maybe turns people into raving religious fanatics).
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January 26th, 2017, 3:47 pm #19

What a word MEANS is determined by how it is used in the languages at the time the glorified Jesus as HOLY SPIRIT inspired the writers. By researching the literature--and I have done lots--LOGOS is used of a person in the MYTHS only of Hermes-Mercury-Kairos as the ANTI Jesus. John used the word very late to debunk the ancient and modern HERMES as the now father of the NEW HERMENEUTICS which is ANTICHRISTIAN,

Probably MOST of the time the words and concepts of Scripture is to DEBUNK pagan religionism. Once you have destroyed the Laden Burdens and Burden Laters Jesus does NOT replace it with new dogmas, clergy or OBSERVATIONS to which the kingdom does not come. Jesus MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God and He is FILLED with the Word. If you can find LOGOS used other to refute a god named Logos then post away. If a preacher is FILLED WITH THE WORD He is filled with SPIRIT and the only thing that can come out of his mouth is WORD.

The Command is INCLUSIVE AND EXCLUSIVE that anyone who speaks for God gives WATER of the WORD free of charge: in the Christian System that is the Prophets and Apostles:

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this WORD [Dabar-Logos],
it is because there is no LIGHT in them.

I posted a long list to prove that WORD is what one SPEAKS or READS. Every descriptor possible IS God but these are not members of the Family of Gods which fuels the urge, as locally, to CHANGE the name to remove Christ from the public confession.

God IS LIGHT but Jesus is the REFLECTOR and not the SUN.

I have the LINKED TEXT of this exclusive list of HOW Little Aaron in a more civilized society would be taught beginning at about age 5 at synagogue schools. I have to repeat, repeat so that readers don't get the veil pulled over their eyes.


Ken, Jesus is not just a word that God spoke. Jeus IS the Word.

You take, from the Scriptures, what is NOT there. You can't do it. You can try, but to no avail.
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January 26th, 2017, 5:04 pm #20

The WORD became JESUS. John 1:14

The Word WAS God. John 1:1

Jesus, formerly the Word, was God.


If Jesus, formerly the Word, WAS God, then HE IS GOD. Infinity with God is just that...ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

Ken Sublett continues to believe that THE WORD was something that God just spoke. Whether it is or isn't, the fact remains.....THAT WORD became JESUS in the flesh. THAT WORD WAS/IS GOD!

No Donnie Cruz, YOU KNOW BETTER when you try to downplay John 1:1 as Jesus being another god. We have already had a Greek scholar to confirm this (Donnie Cruz and Ken Sublett are NOT Greek scholars). THIS IS THE SON OF GOD that we are speaking of. That is why His nature was to NOT sin, for He was the ONLY begotten Son of God. He was OF GOD and therefore GOD HIMSELF.

You can't understand that Jesus, being the Son of God, the Son of man, can still be God.

READ and BELIEVE

Philipians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CATHOLICISM. IT HAS TO DO WITH BELIEVING OR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD'S WORD.

Ken and Donnie. A nice reubttal here with blue/red and bigger font would be nice. Thank you ahead of time.
As an absolute MARK a Church of Christ is built upon or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles.

God breathed as the Spirit OF Christ or the coming Messiah into the prophets the inclusive and exclusive PATTERN for a Church of Christ as a School during the ONE REST DAY of the week.

Jesus of Nazareth would fulfill all of "holy Scripture" which spoke about Messiah. If you are Purpose Driven Ignorant of the Prophets from Extortion University then you CANNOT BE a Christian which is a Disciple which is a student (only) of the WORD as Regulative Principle.

Men like Peter were eye-- and ear--witnesses of Jesus fulfilling the Prophecies validated by Signs and Wonders.

Peter left us a MEMORY of their WITNESSING because only eye-- and ear--witnesses were competent to record the Word.

You cannot SELL the free WATER of the Word at retail which Paul and the Greeks called prostitution because such marketing cannot make you rich and famous if you imitate Jesus and speak only what HE heard from the Father. the punch line is SPEAK or READ because the Spirit or Breath of God causes people to SPEAK without measure or METRON which is primarily a musical meter word. To that end, God did not provide a jot or title of metrical or LYRIC literature. The progressives call God and the faithful liars.



<font face="arial" size="4">A Church of Christ by absolute definition is built by or EDUCATED by the Prophets and Apostles. The Prophets were INspirited by God breathing the Spirit Of Christ to define the REST of Messiah both inclusively and exclusively first defined for the Church (ekklesia) in the wilderness and NEVER changed.

If your preacher preaches HIS OWN WORDS he is ANTI-Logos or Regulative Principle.
If you have a performing musical worship tean that is ANTI--Logos and therefore ANTI-Christ who only spoke what God taught Him.
If you use musical instruments as "machines for doing hard work" and creating the laded burden then you are ANTI-Logos which outlaws any metrical or poetic language always known to be used to MAKE THE LAMBS DUMB BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER.



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