West End Church of Christ, Nashville,Tn.

Ed
Ed

February 3rd, 2003, 2:34 pm #21

Dear Brother Mark
Your comment about the Lord's supper being a Passover meal needs to be restudied. The timing was not right for it to be their Passover meal. I admit it is a small thing but it seem that litte lies grow into mustard plants. Email me if I can be of asistance.

To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight
Joe,

your statement is only half correct. Fact is that Matthew and Luke do say that the Last Supper was the passover meal, but John has it a couple of days before the passover. So do you exclude the books of Matthew and Luke to make John the only correct gospel, and if you do that does that mean that we can't really trust anything the bible has to say?

Perhaps the authors wrote the way they did to make a point. John has the Last supper before the passover because Jesus is going to die on the day of preparation. This is the day that the lambs were slaughtered for passover. At the beginning of the book John has John the Baptist call out "Behold the Lamb of God" in refering to Jesus. In Chapter 6 Jesus gets into a discourse about eating his flesh and drinking his blood and if you pay attention to that section you see that this was about passover time. The point is that John wants us to see Jesus as the passover lamb.

Matthew and Luke had different objectives though and so they have Jesus eating the passover with his disciples before his death.

It is also possible that Matthew and Luke see Jesus eating the passover with them because of the Galilean calendar had passover a couple of days earlier than the Judean calendar or vis-a-versa.
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Stan Cook
Stan Cook

February 27th, 2003, 9:44 pm #22

Well, I guess the church has been wrong for 1900 - 2000 years, and God has finally raised up a new prophet to enlighten us poor idiots who have been singing. Thank you so much for being able to interpret the scripture like no other person ever has. Come to think of it, even Jesus might have been in violation of the lack of a command regarding singing (as you obviously take Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16 to mean "meditating like David did") when he and the apostles sung a hymn and went out to the Mount of Olives (Matthew 26:30).

Kenneth, you give conservative members of the church of Christ a bad name. To those liberals on here let me say that this is one conservative person who flatly doesn't agree with all the change that's taking place and the division that has come over it. As I have said in other posts, I worship in a very conservative church. We have one songleader and preacher (of course Sublett apparently thinks that's not scriptural either). We have three elders and 5 deacons (no women deacons). We will never have a praise team or any other type of innovation. But, I don't know anyone in our congregation that would agree with this. When the Bible says sing, it means sing, unaccompanied, period, end of sentence. Sing does not mean meditate. And to think that singers are equal to prostitutes and homosexuals! How completely rediculous. Everyone, including Mr. Sublett, needs to study their Bibles. And you don't have to know Greek or Hebrew, or Latin, to know God's word. It's really quite simple. But Mr. Sublett, you are WRONG about singing, DEAD WRONG. And your attitude with some of the liberals on this site is rather disgusting. Start reading your Bible and quit reading so much on what others have said about the Bible, and for goodness' sake, leave the sex stuff alone. At the very least you sound like a broken record, and to some you sound like a sex-starved dirty old man. AS I've said in other posts (and I don't know whether this post will clear the moderator or not), I'm not mad at you, but you need to study, study, study the B-I-B-L-E, and leave yours and other men's think-so's out of it.

Thanks,

Jim
God's Word condemns calling that which is sacred, sinful. Singing is a holy, sacred and a very important part of our worship. My concern is not with whether we have "praise teams", but with those like Kenneth, who seem to have impure thoughts. Only one with impure thoughts would take the singing we do in worship and associate it with something sexual. Only one with impure thoughts would make frequent references to the phallus. If a "praise team" or just one "song leader" happens to be up front directing the singing, it makes one wonder just exactly where it is that Mr. Sublett's mind and eyes are focused. Are they on a holy, pure, righteous God? Or are they trying to figure out if the microphones used by the "praise team" are phallic symbols, or if such is apparant anywhere else.
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May 6th, 2003, 1:15 am #23

How do you get a congregation to accept a "praise team" when over half
said they where happy with the current church worship services?

Trick or Treat: Church Surveys


Warning! Don' take The Church Survey...... It's A Trick!

The so called "survey" was crafted and distributed by the youth minister at the Red Bank Church in Chattanooga, TN. Approx. 2-4 months later worship "format", "style" began to change as a response to the survey. When asked privately and publicly for the survey results the Elders refused to release the results...except in general terms... with no firm numbers or responses... The Elders said these unsigned (because that is they way they instructed us to complete them) surveys were not ever going to be made available to anyone ... (except the select few... my words) They just did what they wanted to do anyway and used the secret results of this "survey" as justification.
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Doesn't Matter

June 11th, 2003, 8:38 am #24

Ok,

I am not going to be very eliquant here because I have a temper. Let me just say that this website is HOG WASH! There is nothing close to an accurate assesment about the majority of the statements made regaurding the West End Church of Christ. Let me bare in mind to the webmaster that allowing items to be published that are not based in fact can result in legal action. Just remember what happend to Jason Blair and fellow employees at the New York Times. As for the point of this website I guess your not just protecting the masses from the lies your helping to spread them too.

Ten points addressing fictional facts

1. There has never been a "survey" from the eldership concerning the worship practices at the West End Church.

2. The Youth minister was not from Chattanoga and he is not secretly trying to change our worship style. For those that are interested here is a snipt from his bio. >>>Wes, a native of Tennessee, was one of the youth ministers at the Madison church, and also interned as youth minister with the Northlake church in Atlanta. <<< I suppose Northlake church is bad too??? We already know your opion on the Madison Church of Christ.

3. The ranting about sexual music?!?!?! Whatever! West End does not have any sexual singing. I don't know what kind of drug induced looser started that thread but they do not even know what they are talking about.

4. Yes, West End did have a play but it was not "holy entertainment" it was not part of regular worship and yes that was "entertainment" but in the same "entertainment" spirit as a school play. But seeing as how we have a bunch of drug induced loosers making false statements I suppose one might not understand the difference. I guess your going to chastize us for hosting the Nashville Workcamp and allowing them to have a concert that involved a MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS! OH my! I already feel the flames after all in 1950 that was un heard of why should it be any differnt now!

5. The tangent on communion was taken outta context from the original post written by the "life time member" If you don't understand don't worry your most likely ignoring me by now anyway.

6. Ken Dye is just a person like everyone else he is not a conspiritor trying to pull some secret Hitler type takeover. Yes, he has attended the community church and he is open minded to worship ideas that are not rooted in the 1950's, but he does not have 666 tattoed on any of his body parts. And quite frankly those people that started the thread on him should consider the facts and re read Matthew 7. Look out for those planks!

7. Those that believe this is some type of destructive transition currently being experienced in the Church of Christ. Be warned it is not likely to go back to the archaic worship style enjoyed in the 1950's! As Dylan said "the times they are a changing" Like in business the church has transitional periods during which they remarket themselves. The worship patterns of the 1950's are no longer accepted and current to modern times. We now have a new world with new technology, and some of the best options to get the message out then we have had in years. I say toss out the overheads, song books, and suits and ties, and turn on the powerpoint, head to the hills and bring your sandals and shorts. If you don't understand that this is just transitional then your proably scared because your older and don't understand the new world economy,technology,and practices. Or perhaps it is just the same issues of control experienced by those who didn't want to let the gentiles be part of the church in biblical times. I suppose if you were part of the church of christ in the 1800's you might have said that those churches with the new song books were part of an evil transitional secret society too. OH and don't forget those evil people with four part voccal harmony we can have change this is the church of Christ.

9. West End does not 4have a "praise team!" The reality is they have a married couple plus one more person sometimes two that sit on the front row and sing like they normally would during a regular service. Most of the time you can't hear them over the others in the audience because the sound people have made the choice to "bury" them in the sound systems over all mix, so I doubt its going to be much more then another failed attempt. I think a praise team by definition would have to atleast get togther once and awhile to rehearse. These people do not practice unless you count fliping through the songs five minutes before service as a rehearsal.

10. If you are going to waste bandwith making up things about a church you have never attended. Then I beg of you at least listen to some of the sermons online or the weekly radio program so you can at least make a better attempt at pretending you know whats going on. I bet if we looked into it non of you attended madison church of christ either. One might even note that the whole website is a shameful example of why the church of christ may not last against the other worship options.



Ok now that I have made everyone mad and I am sure that this will start a thread about my poor gramer, my lack of facts, my lack of scripture, and a bunch of other things. Let me just leave you with this one last bit of advice. Read the book of James carefully then follow that with Matthew chpt 7. Then ask yourself if what your doing with this website and chat group really matters at the end of the day. I once remember a great minister that used and example at West End church involving a long piece of string and tape. For all of you who claim you know whats going on and most likely were not there I'll tell you that example. This minister placed the piece of tape on the string and then had one of the members take the other end so as the string was stretched accros the isle. He then asked the question "If the tape was your life and the string eternity would the things that matter most to you now have any relevance when your on the other side of the string?" If you made it this far then thank you for your time!

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June 11th, 2003, 5:35 pm #25

You say;

Ten points addressing fictional facts

1. There has never been a "survey" from the eldership concerning the worship practices at the West End Church.
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Message from the moderator;

Sorry, the church's own web page tells about the survey.

"You have spoken through the recent vision survey response"
http://www.westendcoc.org/sodir.html

If your number 1 point is wrong, we must assume all of your points are.

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Have a Nice Day!
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

June 13th, 2003, 2:42 pm #26

This is NOT a survey: it is a heavy handed NEW CONSTITUTION suggesting the abandonment of the OLD church of Christ which does not work past Y2K.

These are all of the HEGEL or Anderson code words to tell the church that we are a moving.

Furthermore, there is the usual assignment of the church as the product of the 1950s. Well, STAFF INFECTION was an earlier TRADITION which stuck: now the infection is spreading. It is TRADITIONAL to lie that the view of NOT USING instruments was invented by the OLD church of Christ. But that is a lie.

It is TRADITIONAL to lie about the Bible as authority making fun of the commands, examples and inferences of Scripture. But that denies that this is a Biblical DIRECT command to follow commands and was the view of all historical scholars.

This view changed with the Shelly CORE GOSPEL and the POSTMODERN view spewing out of "once" Christian colleges that the Bible lost its authority for faith and practice when the clock to Y2K clicked over. They even pronounce this is the end of the CHRISTENDOM ERA.

No. The survey would not pass the test of minimal ethics. It is telling people where to go and warning others that we are JUST ABOUT THERE.

You just watch and see. Why could an elder look himself in the face if he asks the survey to tell them which way to go. The elders have lost their grip and it is the ministers who are masters. Shelly tells you that the ministers are best equipped to lead and the SHEPHERDS shepherd the ministers. That is they have become the denominational BOARD OF DIRECTORS and the dominant Finto like leader has taken over. I remember meeting one of the "ministers" when he first came to Nashville: he was speaking about those old mean elders for firing him if I rememeber. That seems to be the PATTERNISM.

Ken
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

June 14th, 2003, 3:03 am #27

You say;

Ten points addressing fictional facts

1. There has never been a "survey" from the eldership concerning the worship practices at the West End Church.
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Message from the moderator;

Sorry, the church's own web page tells about the survey.

"You have spoken through the recent vision survey response"
http://www.westendcoc.org/sodir.html

If your number 1 point is wrong, we must assume all of your points are.

Thanks
Have a Nice Day!
Of Ezekiel 13 Matthew Henry said of male and female "prophets" or preachers for pay:

----They PROFANED the name of God by pretending to have received those lies from him (v. 19):
"You POLLUTE my name among my people, and make use of that for the patronising of your lies
----and the gaining of credit to them.'' Note, Those greatly POLLUTE God's holy name that make use of it to give countenance to falsehood and wickedness.
----Yet this they did for handfuls of barley and pieces of bread.

They did it for GAIN; they cared not what dishonour they did to God's name by their lying,
----so they could but make a hand of it for themselves.

There is nothing so sacred which men of MERCENARY spirits,
----in whom the love of this WORLD reigns,
----will not PROFANE and PROSTITUTE,
----if they can but get MONEY by the bargain.

The Hebrew CHALAL or HALAL gives rise to the word translated LUCIFER. It is translated as "to play the flute, to POLLUTE or to PROSTITUTE." It also has the meaning to TAKE YOUR INHERITANCE by PRUNING YOUR VINE. This is the meaning of the ZAMAR or MELODY. The PRUNING HOOK then and IN THE END TIME is the name of a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT.

Preaching for Pay without conviction is RELIGIOUS PROSTITUTION. If you do not believe the Bible and take pay it is like MALE PROSTITUTION: there is no FRUIT from the religious-musical rituals which applies only to superstitious paganism historically involving the MINISTRY of male and female prostitutes.

THE ELDERS AND DEACONS ARE THE PASTOR- TEACHERS as the ONLY ones who exercises any authority in a local congregation. If you hire someone to do what so many are doing to faithful churches you will have NOT returned to the New Testament. You have not become a MODERN church for the modern society. You have gone all the way back to BABYLON where the towers or temples were manned daily by priests (preachers), Soothsayers (singer- musicians), Prophets (liars) and PROSTITUTES, male and female. A prostitute or SPIRITUAL ADULTERER defined the Hebrews who SERVED in a religious sense and DEMANDS or GIVES PAY. Most of the Jewish clergy prostituted their teaching roles most of the time.

The Bible and History repudiate a WAGE for those who cluster around the temple and spread STAFF INFECTION. The scheme is a Works Project Apostasy (WPA) for lazy or incompetent men who have no CALL to "teach the Word as it has been taught."

Whatever church is being CONFISCATED we will prove that ONLY YOU have the authority of God on your side. No, the elders have no TAXING power to do that which the Bible does not demand as necessary.

And YOU are the only ones with the REAL POWER which Scripture gives to YOU and YOU only: your income which when TAXED deprives you, your children of the means for educating them. THERE IS NO LAW OF GIVING. THERE IS NO LAW OF TITHING. ANYONE WHO MAKES GIVING MANDATORY OR PREACHES THE TITHE HAS SINNED BEYOND REDEMPTION.

COME OUT OF HER, MY FRIENDS, IF JESUS CHRIST EVER CAME TO the "new style" CHURCHES IT WAS PROBABLY ONLY LONG ENOUGH TO REMOVE HIS CANDLESTICK. WHY DO YOU WANT TO JOIN THE MASSES WHEN ALL OF THE BIBLE PROVES THAT GOD'S CALLED OUT REMNANT are, IN THE MIND OF ISAIAH, "ONE DROP OF GOOD JUICE OUT OF ONE ROTTEN GRAPE OFF ONE BARE CLUSTER OFF ONE DEAD VINE IN ONE GOD-BUILT VINEYARD WHOSE WALLS HE HAS BROKEN DOWN SO THE "BEAST PEOPLE" CAN COME IN AND PRUNE YOUR VINES USING MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS (PRUNING HOOK) TO TAKE AWAY YOUR SPIRITUAL INHERITANCE.

God took away their inheritance "to the beat of musical instruments" because they were devoted to WINE, WOMEN AND MUSIC and allowed the flock to hunger and thirst and die for lack of the WATER OF THE WORD.

CALL YOUR FRIENDS IF YOU WANT TO GET THE "BURDEN LADERS" RIDING YOU LIKE PACK ANIMALS OFF YOUR BACK AND BEGIN TO ENJOY THE FUNDAMENTAL MEANING OF THE GOSPEL: GOOD NEWS, JESUS CHRIST AS GOD INCARNATE DIED PHYSICALLY TO PURCHASE YOUR "REST" from the "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals." They will INCREASE the anxiety and drive you into schizophrenia (Postmodern objective) in order to strip you of any will and then they will USE you and ABUSE your for their own joy and profit.

Anyone from any of the churches who has an honest question can e-mail me and I will gladly give you more evidence on the new PROFESSIONAL MINISTRY trained in communications, philosphy, psychology or heaven help us: THEATER or MUSIC. There is nothing in the Bible, in history or or arena of common decency which gives people the right to manipulate your minds with music and a growing financial TAXATION.

If you take the new surveys you will RESPOND as the survey informs you to respond or you will probably be MARKED as a trouble maker and forever excluded from the INNER CIRCLES of the Saddleback hostile takeover.

Ken Sublett
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June 14th, 2003, 5:37 pm #28

You say;

Ten points addressing fictional facts

1. There has never been a "survey" from the eldership concerning the worship practices at the West End Church.
========================
Message from the moderator;

Sorry, the church's own web page tells about the survey.

"You have spoken through the recent vision survey response"
http://www.westendcoc.org/sodir.html

If your number 1 point is wrong, we must assume all of your points are.

Thanks
Have a Nice Day!
We have noted and noted and noted that Jesus didn't promise to build a church but an ekklesia or SYNAGOGUE. Church is seen as a "worship center" but that is wholly and unholy paganism. The synagogue was and should be a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE. Or, as the Restoration Movement in Thomas Campbell's mind should be A SCHOOL OF CHRIST. The primary "worshi" was to read and dialog or teach the Word "as it had been taught."

Alexander Campbell on Regenerating the Church notes:

http://www.piney.com/AcCsRegeneration.html

"And, first of all, be it observed, that in some churches there appears to be wanting a proper method of handling the Scriptures to the edification of the brethren. It is admitted by all the holy brethren that the Scriptures of truth, called the living oracles, are the great instrument of God for all his purposes in the saints on earth. Through them they are CONVERTED to God, COMFORTED, CONSECRATED, made meet for an inheritance among the sanctified, and QUALIFIED for every good word and work.
----Every thing, then, depends upon the proper understanding of these VOLUMES of INSPIRATION. They can only operate as far as they are understood.

Campbell stated that:

"The system of SERMONIZING on a text is now almost universally ABANDONED by all who INTEND that their hearers should understand the TESTIMONY of GOD.

"ORATORS and exhorters may select a word, a phrase, or a verse; but all who feed the flock of God with knowledge and understanding know that this method is WHOLLY ABSURD.

ABOUT PAYING SOMEONE TO PREACH AS CLERGY CAMPBELL SAID:

"Give money to make poor pious youths learned clergy, or vain pretenders to erudition; and they pray that they may preach to you; yes, and pay them too.

"Was there ever such a craft as priestcraft? No, it is the craftiest of all crafts. It is so crafty that it obtains by its craft the means to make craftsmen, and then it makes the deluded support them!" (Campbell, Alexander, Christian Baptist, Dec. 1, 1823, Vol. 1, p. 91).

"MONEY is of vital consequence in the kingdom of the CLERGY. Without it a clergyman could not be made, nor a congregation supplied with a 'faithful pastor.' O Mammon, thou wonder-working god!" (Ibid., p. 124).

"'Will you,' said an honest inquirer, 'allow the clergy no salary at all? Will you not allow the poorer class of the clergy a decent little competence?' I replied I have NO allowances to make. Let them have what the Lord has allowed them. 'How much is that?' said he, JUST NOTHING at all, said I. A church constituted upon New Testament principles, having its own bishop or bishops, or, as sometimes called, elders, will not, and OUGHT NOT to suffer them to be in want of any thing necessary, provided they labor in word and doctrine, and provided also, they are ensamples to the flock in industry, disinterestedness, humility, hospitality, and charity to the poor. Such bishops will now be esteemed very highly in love for their words sake;
-------but especially those who, by THEIR OWN HANDS, minister not only to their own wants, but also to the wants of their brethren." (Ibid, p. 140).

"That any man is to be paid at all for preaching, i.e. making sermons and pronouncing them; or that any man is to be hired for a stipulated sum to preach and pray, and expound scripture, by the day, month, or year, I believe to be a relic of popery." (Ibid., Vol. 3, p. 185).

"Our Elder labors with his own hands, that he may live honestly..." (Vol. 5, p. 163).
-----"... our elders labor... for their support, and are not burdensome to the church; but in case of need..." (Vol, 5, p. 95).

Unfortunately "Big wolves have crept in on little sheeps toes wearing tutus" and have used unholy psychology to convinced the rarely-prepared elders that they need a KEEPER to move them into the NEW CENTURY.

"Those who LORD it over the people will soon begin to DESTROY Them. The word Balaam means 'the destroyer of the people.' If we turn back to the history of this strange figure as recorded in the book of Numbers we find that which clarifies three passages in the New Testament where 'the error of Balaam' (Jude 11), 'the way of Balaam' (II Pet. 2:15) and 'the doctrine of Balaam' are discussed." (Barnhouse, D.G., Revelation, Zondervan, p. 54

Ken Sublett
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June 15th, 2003, 10:13 pm #29

What a read! I'll admit I got a little lost wading through that dense undergrowth of prose there, Ken. And all of the others, too. May I suggest that you boys and girls try and play nice for a change. Christianity...well i guess that one's a failed project...let's call it Christi-Anarchy (x-ref Dave Andrews' book) doesn't have to be such a head trip. I'm only 23 and I've driven myself nuts trying to get my head around it. In the process I've alienated others and my relationship with God, (or if that kind of talk gets to you I'll say "the way I feel about God and His teachings"), has dwindled. May I suggest that we all go back and re-read the Sermon on the Mount. I find Jesus to be the most amazing person who ever lived. It's difficult to divorce the churchy presuppositions that are a component of my fairly traditional (even that word is now under attack) upbringing from the way I respond to Jesus now. But I have tried, as I know is common for the Campbellite Tradition, to approach the story of Jesus without any preconceived notions. Like it or not, the story of Jesus is one full of compassion, concern, love, civil disobedience (bet you didn't see that one coming), service, forgiveness, and yes grace and mercy and the other ecclesiological words that I would rather ignore. Jesus was one radical dude. For those who are shocked and awed by such language reminiscent of the 1960's, you can breathe now. I mean radical in two forms. First he stands against most of what makes sense in this world -- again, read matthew's account. You people are smart; I don't have to spell them out for you. Second, he is at the root of how God approaches his people. That is, the fruit of the spirit. Not fruits, that isn't the concept. Just look at how he deals with people. Now, like any good syllogism (man I hate 'em) apply the common understanding that Christians, er I mean, followers of Jesus, are to image Christ, and then with that in mind, look over the posts on these boards and others. Then ask yourself, should I be involved in such things as writing, reading, responding, even pondering the notions mentioned? I only say this because I nearly drove myself insane arguing about these things, trying to prove and disprove, before I really looked at the truth about ministry, the way to live, and indeed life itself, abundantly. Hey life doesn't have to be so ugly all the time. How about turning up your head and smiling at the good gifts God has given us, like life. Like each other. Fellowship. Like the written word. The Parakletos. And for all of us reading this, communication. Food. The list continues. And I tire.
Yeshua Shalom.

And BTW, before you make a mad dash for that "Respond!" button, just get up from your desk, walk a round for a bit outside or in, wherever comfortable, and try not to think about anything. Just sit. And smile. maybe laugh a little too...it's okay, I know you wanna.
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Kenneth Sublett
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June 16th, 2003, 2:23 pm #30

I quoted the UNIVERSAL teaching of the HOLY SPIRIT and if you don't believe or cannot understand simplle Bible Text or historical quotations maybe you need remedial reading. I clearly understand the HISSING whenever the "olden outdated" Bible is quoted.

There is NOT A SHRED OF SPIRIT- INSTRUCTED EVIDENCE that a church NEEDS or can TOLERATE a professional staff.

There is not a SHRED of historical documentation which does not utterly REPUDIATE people riding on the backs of widows and the poor working people who need the REST or help Jesus died to give and MINISTERS to support. The BURDEN is clergy- produced "spiritual anxiety by religious ritual." History says SEND THEM OUT or SEND THEM AWAY or GET THEM AN HONEST JOB. They will still have the same time Paul had when he worked when the people worked and SYNAGOGUED while they had time.

Paul established this as PATTERNISM: if they will not work neither shall they eat: he was speaking about the MANY false preachers.

Letting people ride on your back specificially to SOW DISCORD because of utter ignorance of either Christ or His word defines you as Paul defined the Corinthians (in my paraphrase): FOOLS LOVE TO BE FOOLED. When God pours out His wrath He "sends buffoons."

Tired, Retired and Jesus commissioned me to PUSH BUTTONS to refute the TERMINAL IGNORANCE OR (AS I BELIEVE) TERMINAL EVIL SPEWING OUT OF THE DOCTORS OF THE LAW "SENT OUT BY ACU TO CREATE APOSTASY."

Try John Waddey's QUOTES of another "scholar" who just makes a fool of himself.

Look at MADISON "to change?" No!

Ken stating that this THREAD of tring to bring the church of Christ into PAGANISM (music) WILL NOT WORK so you guys need to repent.
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