West 7th Street Church, Columbia, TN

Allen Lowers
Allen Lowers

October 19th, 2004, 2:20 am #11

I believe that more "in-house" homework is needed by the keepers of this website... Gents; Please give it up!!! - your ranting and raving has not produced any benefits to the brotherhood...

If folks want to worship on Saturdays, let em be...
If folks want to clap or raise their hands, let em be...
If folks are saying that the spirit is leading them, let em be... call us what you want, but we are all Christians...

Brothers, we are all the church of Christ!!! Let's move forward please????? God bless us all...

Frank

PS: This brother is from Tennesse, can't a Christian brother simply go home to visit and while there be invited to preach??? (smiles}
He did get to come home recently -- he spoke in chapel at Freed-Hardeman. Did a great job from what I heard.
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Frank
Frank

October 21st, 2004, 3:22 pm #12

Frank:
The day we stand to be accountable, if you stand on luck, I will not be standing beside you or with you.

I will be standing behind my Husband, so that God will see Him, not me. Thank you Jesus.



To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight

P.S. Charms and Crystal will not help either. Thinking positive thoughts won't help. Some will even try cashing in their "good works" tickets, but all they will hear is "Depart from Me, I never Knew you"! The only Good Works that will save you is the work my Husband did. Again, Thank you Jesus!!!

P.S.S. This site was started to show people the lies the Hirelinges have sold the church. If the truth offens people like yourself, then maybe the church needs to examine it's self and ask what does all this mean? Study it out and see if there is any grounds for these indictments, and when you see the truth, you will fire your Hireling. I did, the problem is the church is full of them, and they waxing fatter and fatter on the sheep.
Dear Brother; In your last message, you declare the following: "...If the truth offens people like yourself, then maybe the church needs to examine it's self and ask what does all this mean? Study it out and see if there is any grounds for these indictments, and when you see the truth, you will fire your Hireling."...

Brother; I have indeed studied from here (this site) and from there. Two years ago, I followed countless basis listed in this site. I swallowed hard, I prayed many prayers; I know my Jesus better that I did before. I have led others closer to Jesus. However, "your truth" about how to assemble and worship, even how not to assemble and worship is not serving anyone, because the real-truth from Jesus, allows each person to be free.

But more important "this web-site truth" I found here was not offensive to me and others. I simply found that every family body of Christians should be free to assemble and/or worship as they see the truth first-hand and neutral.

Here in Dallas, Sanger Avenue CoC, a former 1000+ member church decided to keep stead-fast flowing down the old CoC mainstreet. Yes, their truth was steadfast, they continued their segregated ways, they fired their "newest" hirelings. Last month, this church closed its doors. Did they follow "your truth"?

When this website changed from publishing the real-truth, to demeaning selected responses, and declaring judgements truth on one other; then this site started moving away from my Jesus, and my neutral truth...

Yes, in the end we will each stand acountable on our own truth, and the web-site will be but a speck of plank or dirt in certain folk's eyes...

Brother; I love you like Jesus loved you.. I would like to discuss this face-to-face... Where can I visit your church...

Frank
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kc
kc

October 22nd, 2004, 2:20 am #13

What you don't seem to understand is that the problem comes from individuals wanting to change churches that have had members with strong beliefs about acceptable worship for most of their lives. This is America. Go out,start a new "church",jump,clap,sway,call it what you want and do what you want.It is wrong for men chosen to lead a congregation who are caught up in a new idea (such as the magnitude of purpose driven) to expect people who have been members of a specific congregation for sometime 30,40,50 years to just leap up and say ok if they feel this new way of worshipping is wrong.These people are the ones who should have been left alone.
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Joe
Joe

October 23rd, 2004, 4:58 am #14

Dear Brother; In your last message, you declare the following: "...If the truth offens people like yourself, then maybe the church needs to examine it's self and ask what does all this mean? Study it out and see if there is any grounds for these indictments, and when you see the truth, you will fire your Hireling."...

Brother; I have indeed studied from here (this site) and from there. Two years ago, I followed countless basis listed in this site. I swallowed hard, I prayed many prayers; I know my Jesus better that I did before. I have led others closer to Jesus. However, "your truth" about how to assemble and worship, even how not to assemble and worship is not serving anyone, because the real-truth from Jesus, allows each person to be free.

But more important "this web-site truth" I found here was not offensive to me and others. I simply found that every family body of Christians should be free to assemble and/or worship as they see the truth first-hand and neutral.

Here in Dallas, Sanger Avenue CoC, a former 1000+ member church decided to keep stead-fast flowing down the old CoC mainstreet. Yes, their truth was steadfast, they continued their segregated ways, they fired their "newest" hirelings. Last month, this church closed its doors. Did they follow "your truth"?

When this website changed from publishing the real-truth, to demeaning selected responses, and declaring judgements truth on one other; then this site started moving away from my Jesus, and my neutral truth...

Yes, in the end we will each stand acountable on our own truth, and the web-site will be but a speck of plank or dirt in certain folk's eyes...

Brother; I love you like Jesus loved you.. I would like to discuss this face-to-face... Where can I visit your church...

Frank
Frank:
I don't understand what it is you are upset about? If you would list them I will respond to them.

As for face to face: I live in Nashville and I have not found a congergation yet, that wants me around. I have yet to have a messenger of satan to buffet me like Paul II Cor 12:7), but like Paul visiting a synagogue of the Jews when I stand against the lies of their Hireling, I am asked to leave and go to other congergation where I will be happier.

The Truth? According to the McKnight Gospel?
This unwarranted Hostility leads me to believe you are a Hireling. Am I right, are you a preacher or a preacher's employer?

To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight
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Frank
Frank

October 25th, 2004, 3:36 pm #15

Brother; in re-reading your last message, I urge you to continue to find a church home or a church family that will welcome you, accept you as you are, and even put you to work towards saving souls for Christ,... Please, do not give up going back to worshiping with a brotherhood family...

Just like some old Masons, and others, please do not make this website your "church", or your platform for what I called the McKnight Gospel. I sincerely aplogize to you for that statement; I listed it to grab your attention, and while it may have served a purpose, it came across to you as hostile, and I did not mean for that. Again, my apologies.

Here are my other answers...
1. I am not a hireling, nor a hireling's employer...
2. I am not a preacher, worship leader, deacon, elder, ministry leader...
3. I was once a Mason, and I left when I found the lodges full of old men that kept repeating to themselves that good works had earned their salvation... {certainly sounds familiar?, but that is a different topic for another day...}
4. I am a member of a small (240 member) CoC, who is pressing on while preaching that Christ's salvation is free and for all, not just for a chosen few. We are conservative in assembly, and we are certainly on guard to keep a watchout for those that have hidden assembly agendas. We welcome everyone, first always teaching them our ways, feeding them, etc., etc; however we are again always putting folks to work... No entertainment here....

Guess what? We are a 40 year old CoC church, with lots of younger familys, teens, and younger members, and some amount of seniors that are happy to mentor the young and youngest. We are growing because, we put folks to work...

LAST; All I really wanted to say in my earlier messages is that unless we (you or I) have visited a specific church body face-to-face, then who are we to judge them with regard to their worship assemblies, or which alternative festive events they gather for...

If you make it to Grand Prairie, near Dallas/Fort Worth, we can use you here... in him, Frank
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Joe
Joe

November 1st, 2004, 4:10 am #16

After reviewing this thread, I see that I had assumed that you were a member of FCCC, and that you were defending the Pagan activities going on fccc, in the of Christ.

I have been at the front lines of this battle for a while now, and have learned a few things about this enemy of Christ: Called Community Church. I do not have to physically attend and study out a congergation too know if it is: on it's way or is a enemy of Christ.
You are on a good web site that will help you to ID comm. church trouble makers that will try to take over your congergation. There is a lot of info here for you to read over, but the time will be well spent.

The reason I have not been able to find a "Home congergation" is not just because they all are comm. churches. Most of the congergations I visit are small 100-250 consveritive coC's. The biggest reason I am not welcome is I stand for the Truth, and they do not want to hear it.
I have a NKJ bible that I have converted into a coC version. I cut out most of the Old Testament, Revelation, I&II Peter & Thess., Gal. Col. Eph. What was left, I took a black marker and marked out chapters and verses that are not coC certified. It does not leave much of a bible, but it does get the message across quickly.

I have pretty well given up on the church of America. I have come to realize that when the bible talks about God blinding people, but not the elect, that He was also talking about our time too.

To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight
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bill
bill

April 1st, 2006, 4:55 am #17

He did get to come home recently -- he spoke in chapel at Freed-Hardeman. Did a great job from what I heard.
all music is evil based on all the arguments
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

May 10th, 2008, 2:49 am #18

I think Chris Seidman is coming to Franklin: here is his totally wrong authority for taking your church from the owners;

Chris Seidman on Psallo and the Harps in Revelation.

http://www.piney.com/Chris.Seidman.Psal ... ation.html

if these people are wrong then people have sold their souls for a good dose of rhetoric--Jesus called them hypocrites by pointing to Ezekiel 33 which also names singers and instrument players.

Max Lucado, Rick Atchley and Ronnie followed the leader without have a clue about the Word of God.






Last Sunday, Ronnie Norman of the First Colony church in Sugarland,Texas spoke here at West 7th in Columbia. Some of the Elders are trying to hire him. If anyone has any tapes of this guy or any other information let me know.
We warned you and you just wouldn't or COULDN'T listen. That is what means being SHEPHERDED as in "how a boil a frog" so the frogs just laugh as they are marching and goose-clapping to the gas chamber: this deserves mixed metaphors.

First Colony Church of Christ annouces Instrumental music for 3rd service

First Colony: Ronnie Norman: Crossroads Shepherding is posted here.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/187120/#list

I have posted a SAFE HOUSE for those being destroyed and being told "maybe you need to find another church."

http://www.piney.com/First.Colony.Norman.html

This will link you to the Promise Keepers SHEPHERDING MOVEMENT and to Lynn Andersons personal SHEPHERDING MOVEMENT based on the old Crossroads or International Church of Christ which is well defined by Hitler and I will link you.

Ronnie Norman was one of the original band of brothers who somehow got bonded so that they have ALL followed the leader but have only stolen their own congregation whereas they thought they would restructure the 13,500 congregations but got stopped in their tracks. They have all been the dupes of the NACC with the last misleader being David Faust who along with all of them deliberately lies about every "instrument" passage in the Bible. What they have done is to fall back into the EVIL THREAD of the sacrificial system and have never read the Spirit of Christ repudiating them and defining the nature of His assembly as a school of the Bible. He outlaws seeking your own pleasure or speaking your own words.

No one doubted that the BAND and the SATURDAY service was always INTENDED to soften your heads and manhood to ease the DELIBERATE DISCORD when they go ALL THE WAY.

You will notice that all of the SHEPHERDING ELDERS are "brand new" and ready to make you accountable to them 24/7. NEVER EVER tell one of these freaks anything about how you spend your time or money or whether you looked at a pretty girl. There is NO LAW OF GIVING so vote with your pocketbook.
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Rancher
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June 8th, 2008, 2:22 pm #19

I think Chris Seidman is coming to Franklin: here is his totally wrong authority for taking your church from the owners;

Chris Seidman on Psallo and the Harps in Revelation.

http://www.piney.com/Chris.Seidman.Psal ... ation.html

if these people are wrong then people have sold their souls for a good dose of rhetoric--Jesus called them hypocrites by pointing to Ezekiel 33 which also names singers and instrument players.

Max Lucado, Rick Atchley and Ronnie followed the leader without have a clue about the Word of God.






Last Sunday, Ronnie Norman of the First Colony church in Sugarland,Texas spoke here at West 7th in Columbia. Some of the Elders are trying to hire him. If anyone has any tapes of this guy or any other information let me know.
I am a member of First Colony. This is an incredibly loving and Christ serving church. Ronnie Norman is an amazing preacher, teacher and leader. What I am reading concerning my church and my preacher gives me the chills. It is closed minded, hypocritical people like you that have given the Church of Christ such a bad name. The Church of Christ is a relatively new denomination as compared to others. Who do you think you are that you can make such judgemental statements. Come meet Ronnie. Get to know this gentle man who has lead so many to Christ and to service in Christ's name. Jesus wants all of us to believe in Him and to spread his gospel. Whether or not we have musical instruments isn't going to condemn or save us. Our choosing Christ is what saves us. We need to tear down the walls between denominations and get to the bottom line. Belief in Jesus Christ!

The number of people that have been saved through this church and through the missionaries that it has supported and the number of churches they have started speaks for itself. Look at the darkness that is in you for your critical outlook on those that are actuallly doing what the Lord directed us to do. Matthew 28:18-20. May God bless you and forgive you.
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

June 8th, 2008, 9:19 pm #20

I think Chris Seidman is coming to Franklin: here is his totally wrong authority for taking your church from the owners;

Chris Seidman on Psallo and the Harps in Revelation.

http://www.piney.com/Chris.Seidman.Psal ... ation.html

if these people are wrong then people have sold their souls for a good dose of rhetoric--Jesus called them hypocrites by pointing to Ezekiel 33 which also names singers and instrument players.

Max Lucado, Rick Atchley and Ronnie followed the leader without have a clue about the Word of God.






Last Sunday, Ronnie Norman of the First Colony church in Sugarland,Texas spoke here at West 7th in Columbia. Some of the Elders are trying to hire him. If anyone has any tapes of this guy or any other information let me know.
For your information the Church of Christ has existed under that name in every period of Church history. It was the Church of Christ much later called catholic who "added music because it was common to all pagan cults." However, none was so vile as to use the organ to accompany singing which was quickly taken over by clergy precenters or a "worship team" which is called "the oldesty heresy largely pervading the church." The fact that from Genesis to Revelation and by all historic scholars music is considered Satanic because it silences the voice and direct commands of Jesus, proves that those now adding instruments are THE EXCEPTION to the rule. Adding music proves that people do not know that Jesus continued the "church in the wilderness" as synagogue or school of the Bible: it excluded both vocal and instrumental "rejoicing."

ALL assemblies of the common people was ONLY for instruction and you don't MAKE MUSIC and BREAK DOWN WALLS when as the Spirit OF Christ the synagogue was to QUARANTINE the assembly FROM the pagan, musical rituals from Babylon.

<font color=blue>Miqra (h4744) mik-raw'; from 7121; something called out, i. e. a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading. Ne.8:8

And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence. Is.4:5</font>

Here is what is outlawed because all such sounds create PANIC:

<font color=bluet>Ruwa (h7321) roo-ah'; a prim. root; to mar (espec. by breaking); fig. to split the ears (with sound), i. e. shout for alarm or joy: - blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout (for joy), sound an alarm, triumph.</font>

The synangogue which existed as the Church of Christ even in the wilderness since it was established by the Spirit of Christ never had "a praise service." Just direct command and common sense when the ONLY rationale is to teach.

Now, Ronnie Norman has spent two decades collecting a church under the name of the Church of Christ. By claiming to be consistent with that "restoration" and consistent with direct commands by Paul and hsitoric practices they defined CHURCH as "a school of Christ" and WORSHIP as "reading and musing the Word of God."

In Romans that direct command is to speak THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN. Where they were afflicted with singing (a sorcery word) Paul commanded that they use one mind and one mouth and use "that which is written" to teach, glorify God who wrote it, comfort with scripture and KEEP THE UNITY. Where they were afflicted with "prophesiers" which defines singing and playing instruments to bring on "excitement" Peter commanded that they use THE PROPHETS until "the day star arises in their heart."

Denominations including the Christian church BUILT the wall by adding instruments (legal machines) and those who REFUSED to ADD that which they had never used for 1850 years did not change. That was based on the universal documentary evidence that MUSIC is actually the MARK of someone trying to silence the Word of God. Isaiah 5 isa good example of people who turned their religious meetings FROM the Word to "wine, women and music" they INVITED God to BREAK DOWN THE WALLS and the massses who swarmed in are called the BEAST. They will repay--have repayed--your wanting to tear down what God built by, as in Isaiah 5, eating up all of your GRAPES.

Someone has convinced you to do EXACTLY what the Spirit of Christ commanded you NOT to do. The SABBATH meant REST. Jesus removed the laded burden (music) to give us rest and the word is PAUO. Isaiah 55 prophesied Messiah and the FREE waer of the Word. In Isaiah 58 the Spirit OF Christ defines the nature of the Christian REST. The INSTRUMENTS are always a warning or MARK:

Is. 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

<font color=red>Note the description of a hypocrite: Jesus pointed to Ezekiel 33 to include slick speakers, singers and instrument players.</font>

Is. 58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

Is. 58:3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.
Is. 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
Is. 58:5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?
Is. 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Is. 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Is. 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
Is. 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Is. 58:10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
Is. 58:11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

Is. 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure [music in Rom 15] on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him,
not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Is. 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

THERE ARE TWO THREADS one leading to destruction under the Kings and Clergy.
The other SPIRITUAL thread is ONLY defined by the prophets by the Spirit OF Christ.

I cannot tell you why Ronnie Norman has chosen the THREAD that led israel into destruction when the ENEMY breaks down the walls (whatever you think). I can tell you that the examples he used and those used by his associates turn ALL of the "instrument passages" into very bad lies. What should be troubling is that ALL of those proof texts to used PSALLO for the first time in 1878 as AUTHORITY for instruments ALL point to older males plucking their harps to seduce younger males.

It sounds like you have had no trouble attracting the INSTRUMENTALISTS without instruments? Ronnie boasts about NOT teaching the position of the movement he CLAIMS to attract faithful members of the Church of Chrsit forever. He also boasts about USING instruments in other venues. Someone suggested that they did that stealth-like in the Bible classes?

Whatever we think about people, to a TRUE DISCIPLE OF CHRIST that will never let it trump the Word of Christ: and Jesus called the religious and musical performers the HYPOCRITES. The MEANING of a hypocrite is a slick speaker and music maker.

We have told you the absolute truth and WE become the ScapeGoat. Personal bonding should never come between one and Christ and His Words: He cast out the musical minstrels like dung.

There really are NO FUNDED roles in a local assembly of Christ.
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