Was Jesus Born on Dec. 25? This article says no!

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December 25th, 2012, 6:43 am #1

I don't want to take away from the warm feelings of the holidays, but I do feel a need to enlighten you to the scam called Christmas today. If you do your research, you will be shocked to find that:

December 25 is a pagan holiday. It has nothing to do with Christ's birth. The Devil has played another trick on the sheeple who call themselves Christian. Below is just one story on the internet exposing the fraud. Several preachers on the internet/shortwave have exposed this fact for years. (Search Christmas, Pagan) After all, didn't Jesus say the NARROW IS THE ROAD ...? When will his people wake up to the DEVIL's deceptions? Reading the article below will help you understand my frustrations with December 25 celebration SCAM.

http://www.essortment.com/christmas-pag ... 42543.html

Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.
No one knows on what day Jesus Christ was born. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ's birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?


The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.


In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.


In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.


Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means "wheel," the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.


The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.


In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ's birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.


Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: "Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ."


The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.

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December 25th, 2012, 5:47 pm #2

You have good thoughts on the amalgamation of paganism with Christianity.

The new religion "Christianity" expropriated the rituals of the previously dominated pagan religion to adopt the time of year (Winter Solstice). This happened about the time of Constantine in the fourth century. Christians, who heretofore fought the celebration of birthdays since the birthday of the Caesar was the big event, suddenly adopted the birthday of Christ as the celebration. At the same time, a "masterful" stroke of "genius" they obliterated the feast of the Sun God, in which human depresssion was sinking in toward the shortest day of the year, December 21 or 22, when they thought according to their superstitions that giving gifts to the Sun God would begin to bring him back.

The only problem is that the purity of the early church was therefore badly mauled and suddenly Christianity appears to be seriously compromised.

The "Northfield Campus" [child of Madison] is making good time helping the amalgamation by sponsoring a candle-holding ceremony where everyone can "feel good." Oh, they say, "We're enlightened and have gotten past those narrow-minded people who are against our celebrating the mass of Christ. We feel good doing this."

The screen at Madison [mother of Northfield] on December 23 showed that "we" adopted Christmas as Christ's birthday in the fourth century. [The accuracy of the date shows that whoever placed this statement likely knew in detail how this time of the year originated.] This admission likely indicates that "we" are not "restored Christianity" but the evolvement of the church from the third or fouth century.

These events are all facts, not gossip.

Oh well, the elders can't moderate everything, and if they tried I'm sure there would be smoke and a storm.

The problem everywhere is what can be done to have a church like the New Testament church.


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December 25th, 2012, 6:13 pm #3

I don't want to take away from the warm feelings of the holidays, but I do feel a need to enlighten you to the scam called Christmas today. If you do your research, you will be shocked to find that:

December 25 is a pagan holiday. It has nothing to do with Christ's birth. The Devil has played another trick on the sheeple who call themselves Christian. Below is just one story on the internet exposing the fraud. Several preachers on the internet/shortwave have exposed this fact for years. (Search Christmas, Pagan) After all, didn't Jesus say the NARROW IS THE ROAD ...? When will his people wake up to the DEVIL's deceptions? Reading the article below will help you understand my frustrations with December 25 celebration SCAM.

http://www.essortment.com/christmas-pag ... 42543.html

Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.
No one knows on what day Jesus Christ was born. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ's birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?


The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.


In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.


In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.


Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means "wheel," the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.


The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.


In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ's birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.


Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: "Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ."


The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.
This "information" tells us nothing new. Most of us are well aware of the "origins" of Christmas and that Jesus was most likely born in the spring, not in the winter. We also know that Christmas as a holiday originated with the Roman Catholic Church to Christianize a pagan holy day.

Nevertheless, it would now be virtually impossible to have the entire Christian world suddenly stop celebrating the birth of Christ on December 25, which it has been doing for more than 1,700 years since the fourth century A.D.

So enjoy the time of peace on earth, goodwill toward men while you can!
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December 26th, 2012, 6:56 am #4

You have good thoughts on the amalgamation of paganism with Christianity.

The new religion "Christianity" expropriated the rituals of the previously dominated pagan religion to adopt the time of year (Winter Solstice). This happened about the time of Constantine in the fourth century. Christians, who heretofore fought the celebration of birthdays since the birthday of the Caesar was the big event, suddenly adopted the birthday of Christ as the celebration. At the same time, a "masterful" stroke of "genius" they obliterated the feast of the Sun God, in which human depresssion was sinking in toward the shortest day of the year, December 21 or 22, when they thought according to their superstitions that giving gifts to the Sun God would begin to bring him back.

The only problem is that the purity of the early church was therefore badly mauled and suddenly Christianity appears to be seriously compromised.

The "Northfield Campus" [child of Madison] is making good time helping the amalgamation by sponsoring a candle-holding ceremony where everyone can "feel good." Oh, they say, "We're enlightened and have gotten past those narrow-minded people who are against our celebrating the mass of Christ. We feel good doing this."

The screen at Madison [mother of Northfield] on December 23 showed that "we" adopted Christmas as Christ's birthday in the fourth century. [The accuracy of the date shows that whoever placed this statement likely knew in detail how this time of the year originated.] This admission likely indicates that "we" are not "restored Christianity" but the evolvement of the church from the third or fouth century.

These events are all facts, not gossip.

Oh well, the elders can't moderate everything, and if they tried I'm sure there would be smoke and a storm.

The problem everywhere is what can be done to have a church like the New Testament church.

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]It's almost without a doubt that the "Northfield Church" [daughter of Madison] is a full-fledged Community Church. I do not think that you will be able to associate the "church of Christ" with Northfield other than where it's indicated as: "A Campus of Madison Church of Christ."

Check out this relationship:

[/color] As of this writing, note as advertised:

-- Join us Sunday ... for our annual: His Kidz Christmas Play!

-- Bring your family & friends and celebrate the wonder of Christmas together! Monday December 24th Candlelight Service 10:00pm Join us at 9:30pm for light refreshments and musical entertainment
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]What has happened to the drama ministry at Madison? Time consuming? Less appealing to "adult" Christians?

So, here's the new-and-improved methodology for teaching God's "KIDZ" the doctrine of Christ ... for without it, His "kidz" cannot learn and know His truth?[/color]
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December 26th, 2012, 6:28 pm #5

This "information" tells us nothing new. Most of us are well aware of the "origins" of Christmas and that Jesus was most likely born in the spring, not in the winter. We also know that Christmas as a holiday originated with the Roman Catholic Church to Christianize a pagan holy day.

Nevertheless, it would now be virtually impossible to have the entire Christian world suddenly stop celebrating the birth of Christ on December 25, which it has been doing for more than 1,700 years since the fourth century A.D.

So enjoy the time of peace on earth, goodwill toward men while you can!
I agree with "B" (two in a row) on Christmas!
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December 26th, 2012, 7:59 pm #6

This "information" tells us nothing new. Most of us are well aware of the "origins" of Christmas and that Jesus was most likely born in the spring, not in the winter. We also know that Christmas as a holiday originated with the Roman Catholic Church to Christianize a pagan holy day.

Nevertheless, it would now be virtually impossible to have the entire Christian world suddenly stop celebrating the birth of Christ on December 25, which it has been doing for more than 1,700 years since the fourth century A.D.

So enjoy the time of peace on earth, goodwill toward men while you can!
B writes

"Nevertheless, it would now be virtually impossible to have the entire Christian world suddenly stop celebrating the birth of Christ on December 25, which it has been doing for more than 1,700 years since the fourth century A.D."

Not only does it appear impossible to have the world stop the celebration but those closest to us also want to celebrate Christmas and Easter, and of course they do. We live in a culture and from that it is difficult to escape. As Jesus said,

Matt 19:6 "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7They say unto him, Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorcement, and to put her away? 8He saith unto them, Moses for your hardness of heart suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it hath not been so." ASV

Moses "regulated" divorce. Jesus discouraged it as well.



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December 26th, 2012, 9:52 pm #7

I don't want to take away from the warm feelings of the holidays, but I do feel a need to enlighten you to the scam called Christmas today. If you do your research, you will be shocked to find that:

December 25 is a pagan holiday. It has nothing to do with Christ's birth. The Devil has played another trick on the sheeple who call themselves Christian. Below is just one story on the internet exposing the fraud. Several preachers on the internet/shortwave have exposed this fact for years. (Search Christmas, Pagan) After all, didn't Jesus say the NARROW IS THE ROAD ...? When will his people wake up to the DEVIL's deceptions? Reading the article below will help you understand my frustrations with December 25 celebration SCAM.

http://www.essortment.com/christmas-pag ... 42543.html

Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.
No one knows on what day Jesus Christ was born. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ's birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?


The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.


In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.


In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.


Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means "wheel," the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.


The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.


In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ's birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.


Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: "Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ."


The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.
Rituals are really a way for people to try to WORK some religious thing when we have lost connection to the head. For instance, the MAGI are to prove that all such magical performances have to finally bow at the manger. The Magi were not good men: the SEERs who got information for David were doing what churches do when they perform theatrical rituals telling the foolish that they can find their lost goats--for a price, always for a price.

Aldus Huxley notes that:

Abused as we abuse it at present, dramatic art is in no sense cathartic; it is merely a form of emotional masturbation. It is the rarest thing to find a player who has not had his character affected for the worse by the practice of his profession.
Nobody can make a habit of self-exhibition, nobody can exploit his personality for the sake of exercising a kind of hypnotic power over others, and remain untouched by the process. From Source

A man who strains himself on the stage is bound, if he is any good, to strain all the people sitting in the stalls. Bertolt Brecht The actor searches vainly for the sound of a vanished tradition, and critic and audience follow suit.

We have lost all sense of ritual and ceremony -- whether it be connected with Christmas, birthdays or funerals -- but the words remain with us and old impulses stir in the marrow.

We feel we should have rituals, we should do something about getting them and we blame the artists for not finding them for us.
So the artist sometimes attempts to find new rituals with only his imagination as his source: he imitates the outer form of ceremonies, pagan or baroque, unfortunately adding his own trapping -- the result is rarely convincing. And after the years and years of weaker and waterier imitations we now find ourselves rejecting the very notion of a holy stage.
It is not the fault of the holy that it has become a middle-class weapon to keep the children good. Peter (Stephen Paul) Brook

Huxley notes that After taking the pill:

"The change which actually took place in that world was in no sense revolutionary. Half an hour after swallowing the drug I became aware of a slow dance of golden lights. A little later there were sumptuous red surfaces swelling and expanding from bright nodes of energy that vibrated with a continuously changing, patterned life. At another time the closing of my eyes revealed a complex of gray structures, within which pale bluish spheres kept emerging into intense solidity and, having emerged, would slide noiselessly upwards, out of sight. But at no time were there faces or forms of men or animals. I saw no landscapes, no enormous spaces, no magical growth and metamorphosis of buildings, nothing remotely like a drama or a parable. The other world to which mescalin admitted me was not the world of visions; it existed out there, in what I could see with my eyes open. The great change was in the realm of objective fact. What had happened to my subjective universe was relatively unimportant.

Something like this can happen to faith as well. The rational, informational, and linear-sequential worlds of productivity tend to dominate in our lives these days. Consequently, the rest of our worlds suffer neglect, and we are losing touch with much of what it means to believe.

In trying to produce the same drug effects with music he noted that:
"Instrumental music, oddly enough, left me rather cold. Mozart's C-Minor Piano Concerto was interrupted after the first movement, and a recording of some madrigals by Gesualdo took its place.

"These voices," I said appreciatively, "these voices - they're a kind of bridge back to the human world." And a bridge they remained even while singing the most startlingly chromatic of the mad prince's compositions. Through the uneven phrases of the madrigals, the music pursued its course, never sticking to the same key for two bars together. In Gesualdo, that fantastic character out of a Webster melodrama, psychological disintegration had exaggerated, had pushed to the extreme limit, a tendency inherent in modal as opposed to fully tonal music. The resulting works sounded as though they might have been written by the later Schoenberg.


It is a fact from Amos and Revelation 18 that the musical or other rituals was the PROOF that Jesus had been there for His LAMPS or the Menorah or Lampstands of the seven spirits OF knowledge which rests only on Jesus as the BRANCH. I don't believe that Northfield removed CHRIST from their public confession: they refuse to confess Him and He refuses to confess Him.
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December 26th, 2012, 10:47 pm #8

Ken wrote:

"Rituals are really a way for people to try to WORK some religious thing when we have lost connection to the head. For instance, the MAGI are to prove that all such magical performances have to finally bow at the manger."

Jeremiah (7:4,9) warns us that the rituals and forms of worship cannot replace obedience to commands against stealing, adultery, and idolatry. "The temple of the Lord are these" (v. 4) shows devotion to God must go beyond observable worship. Apparently there was some trust in the "artifacts" of the temple, apart from the "inner man" (according to Paul) or outward obedience (v. 9). A concept of grace that ignores inward change and outward obedience may be similar to those of Jeremiah 7 who claimed righteouness through temple observance alone. Jesus dealt with those of His day who sought their righteousness in outward forms and who were opposed to inner change and resulting obedience.

The real challenge of Christmas is how to transfer the outward allegiance of that day to the rest of the year. There is the term nominal Christianity that is defined as being a Christian in name only rather than through genuine faith.
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December 26th, 2012, 11:52 pm #9

I don't want to take away from the warm feelings of the holidays, but I do feel a need to enlighten you to the scam called Christmas today. If you do your research, you will be shocked to find that:

December 25 is a pagan holiday. It has nothing to do with Christ's birth. The Devil has played another trick on the sheeple who call themselves Christian. Below is just one story on the internet exposing the fraud. Several preachers on the internet/shortwave have exposed this fact for years. (Search Christmas, Pagan) After all, didn't Jesus say the NARROW IS THE ROAD ...? When will his people wake up to the DEVIL's deceptions? Reading the article below will help you understand my frustrations with December 25 celebration SCAM.

http://www.essortment.com/christmas-pag ... 42543.html

Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.
No one knows on what day Jesus Christ was born. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ's birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?


The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.


In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.


In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.


Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means "wheel," the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.


The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.


In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ's birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.


Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: "Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ."


The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.
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December 27th, 2012, 3:26 am #10

Ken wrote:

"Rituals are really a way for people to try to WORK some religious thing when we have lost connection to the head. For instance, the MAGI are to prove that all such magical performances have to finally bow at the manger."

Jeremiah (7:4,9) warns us that the rituals and forms of worship cannot replace obedience to commands against stealing, adultery, and idolatry. "The temple of the Lord are these" (v. 4) shows devotion to God must go beyond observable worship. Apparently there was some trust in the "artifacts" of the temple, apart from the "inner man" (according to Paul) or outward obedience (v. 9). A concept of grace that ignores inward change and outward obedience may be similar to those of Jeremiah 7 who claimed righteouness through temple observance alone. Jesus dealt with those of His day who sought their righteousness in outward forms and who were opposed to inner change and resulting obedience.

The real challenge of Christmas is how to transfer the outward allegiance of that day to the rest of the year. There is the term nominal Christianity that is defined as being a Christian in name only rather than through genuine faith.
Rubel Shelly Baptizing Santa.

http://www.piney.com/WinRSSunSanta.html

The problem with most religious teknokrats is that they do not know the meaning of the assembly and do not HAVE to know as long as elders who don't know nor care hire someone who appeals to their own carnal nature.

From BEFORE the Fall Moses was told how to conduct schools of the Word and this was called the qahal, synagogue or Church in the wilderness. This was to quarantine the godly people from the Jacob-cursed and God-condemned and Atchley pattern of the Levites.

The assembly is defined both inclusively and exclusively by the Spirit of Christ in the prophets, made more certain by commands and examples by Jesus, eye and ear witnessed by the Apostles who left us a "memory" of that revelation. That is the INCLUSIVE pattern for both Jew and Gentile thus annulling any Jewish ritual:

Ephesians 2:20 And are built [educated] upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;


The elders are authentic only if they teach that which HAS BEEN TAUGHT and sit down ANYONE who goes beyond that sole teaching resource. Therefore, whatever the value of Christmas it is EXCLUDED by commands, examples or remote inferences from the assembly which is only A School of the Word.

Rubel Shelly: "And when I tell you that Santa has been baptized, I'm echoing the ancient Christian tradition of what one theologian dubbed "baptizing the traditions of secular holidays in the message of God's love that has been revealed in Jesus Christ."

Since the time of Emperor Constantine's conversion to Christ and his order to "Christianize" the pagan feasts,

Christians have been seeking to turn every symbol (mark IDOL) to the glory of God. Thus a midwinter festival to the <font color="#FF0000">S-U-N
was converted into a day of rejoicing over the S-O-N of God. If Jesus is described by biblical writers as the "Sun of Righteousness" and God's "true light coming into the world," what could be more natural?

"Whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him," counseled the Apostle Paul (Col. 3:17).

If any activity, celebration, or feast cannot be immersed in Christ-honoring significance, there is no place for it in our lives. If it can be baptized in or colored with Christian connotation, we would be dishonoring God and cheating ourselves by failing to do so.


"Lucifer and the powers of the air hovering around it... try in vain to tear down the cross and to silence the importunate clangour of the bells. In the Golden Legend Longfellow wrote:

Lucifer Lower! lower!
Hover downward!
Seize the loud vociferous bells, and
Clashing, clanging, to the pavement
Hurl them from their window tower,
Voices. All they thunders
Here are harmless!
Fore these bells have been anointed,
And baptized with holy water!
They defy our utmost power." </font>
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