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Vipers-West at Pepperdine

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January 27th, 2011, 3:59 am #1

Some added notes (for students only) to my partial review of Tom Burgess who quotes lots of documents on the psallo word.

http://www.piney.com/Music.Burgess.98.html

Tom Burgess, the instrumentalists and liberals will be in FELLOWSHIP at the Pepperdine lecturship OF and BY and FOR theologians or "doctors of the law" Jesus said who take away the key to knowledge. You can bettcha that there will be no ANTI-instrumentalists there

Hom. Od. 1.125 And a carver lifted up and placed before them platters of all manner of meats, and set by them golden goblets, while a herald ever walked to and fro pouring them wine. Then in came the proud wooers, and thereafter [145] sat them down in rows on chairs and high seats. Heralds poured water over their hands, and maid-servants heaped by them bread in baskets, and youths filled the bowls brim full of drink; and they put forth their hands to the good cheer lying ready before them.
[150] Now after the wooers had put from them the desire of food and drink,
.....their hearts turned to other things, to song and to dance;
.....for these things are the crown of a feast.
And a herald put the beautiful lyre in the hands of Phemius, who sang perforce among the wooers; [155] and he struck the chords in prelude2 to his sweet lay.

But Telemachus spoke to flashing-eyed Athena, holding his head close, that the others might not hear: Dear stranger, wilt thou be wroth with me for the word that I shall say?
.....These men care for things like these, the lyre and song,
.....160] full easily, seeing that without atonement they devour the livelihood of another,
.....of a man whose white bones, it may be, rot in the rain as they lie upon the mainland,
.....or the wave rolls them in the sea


This is what Jesus said of the Scribes and Pharisees he called hypocrites by pointing to Christ in Ezekiel 33 marking entertainment preachers, singers and instrument players.

Tom thinks he finds a Psallo type word mening to play the harp. However, the word is psallein. This is in the context of a MUSICIAN so if he plucks a harp then he plucks a harp. However, a kitharista is a harp player: all instruments use compound words to indicateboth pluck or strike AND the name of an instrument.

toi ho phormizn aneballeto kalon aeidein.

anaball , B. more freq. in Med., strike up, begin to play or sing (cf. anabol 11), anaballeto kalon aeidein Od.1.155, 8.266, Theoc.6.20: abs., anabaleo Pi.N.7.77; anabalou Ar.Pax1269: c. acc., eukhn a. t Erti Philostr.Im.1.29.


The PSALLO means ONLY to smite or strike something: this is similar to the word used when Jesus "cast out the musical minstrels like dung" from His healing presence.

Pind. N. 7 Under the yoke of destiny, different men are held by different restraints. But it is by your favor that, even so, Sogenes the son of Thearion, distinguished by his excellence, is celebrated in song as glorious among pentathletes. For he lives in a city that loves music, the city of the Aeacidae with their clashing spears; [10] and they very much want to foster a spirit familiar with contests. If someone is successful in his deeds, he casts a cause for sweet thoughts into the streams of the Muses. For those great acts of prowess dwell in deep darkness, if they lack songs, and we know of only one way to hold a mirror up to fine deeds: [15] if, by the grace of Mnemosyne with her splendid headdress, one finds a recompense for toils in glorious song. Skillful men know the wind that will come on the day after tomorrow, and they do not suffer loss through the love of gain. The rich man and the poor man alike travel together to the boundary of death. [20] And I expect that the story of Odysseus came to exceed his experiences, through the sweet songs of Homer, since there is a certain solemnity in his lies and winged artfulness, and poetic skill deceives, seducing us with stories, and the heart of the mass of men is blind. For if [25] they had been able to see the truth, then mighty Aias, in anger over the arms, would never have planted in his chest the smooth sword

But to you, Thearion, she gives a due measure of prosperity, and while you have gained a bold spirit for fine deeds, [60] she does not impair the wisdom of your mind. I am your friend; averting the dark shadow of abuse, and bringing genuine glory, like streams of water, to the man who is dear to me, I shall praise him. This wage is worthy of good men. If any Achaean man is nearby [65] who lives above the Ionian sea, he will not find fault with me. I trust in my being their representative. And among my fellow townsmen, the glance of my eye is bright; I have not overshot the mark, and I have thrust all violence away from my path. May the rest of my days approach benevolently. Anyone who knows the truth will declare whether I follow a path that is out of tune, singing a twisted5 song. [70] Sogenes, of the Euxenid clan, I swear that I did not overstep the line when I hurled, like a bronze-cheeked javelin, my swift tonguea throw that disqualifies a man's strong neck from the sweat of the wrestling-match, before his limbs fall under the burning sun. If there was toil, greater delight follows. [75] Let me go on. If I rose too high and shouted loudly, I am not too rude to pay my debt of gratitude to the victor. It is easy to weave garlands. Strike up the song! The Muse welds together gold and white ivory with coral, the lily she has stolen from beneath the ocean's dew. [80] But in remembrance of Zeus and in honor of Nemea, whirl a far-famed strain of song, softly
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January 28th, 2011, 12:32 am #2

Much of the Bible identifies the prevaiing Greek, Roman and Jewish Worship to REPUDIATE the use of music which is always the WEAPON of those "intending to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." Most children of that time would not fall sucker bait to anyone imposing MUSIC knowing that Jesus spoke of the Jewish Clergy as hypocrites (preachers, singers, instrument players) the MARK of someone entertaining in order to fleece the sheep.

HOMER SPEAK FOR ALL DECENT AND LITERATE SOCIETY:

(Butler 1.2) Then the suitors came in and took their places on the benches and seats.
......Forthwith men servants poured water over their hands,
......maids went round with the bread-baskets,
......pages filled the mixing-bowls with wine and water,
......and they laid their hands upon the good things that were before them.
......As soon as they had had enough to eat and drink they wanted music and dancing,
......which are the crowning embellishments of a banquet,
......so a servant brought a lyre to Phemios,
......whom they compelled perforce to sing to them.


PETER WARNING AGAINST THOSE WHO PRIVATE INTERPRET OR FURTHER EXPOUND FOR PAY BECAUSE THEY CORRUPT THE WORD-SELL BAD LEARNING AT RETAIL.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
......as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time.
......Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves
......with their own deceivings [delusions] while they feast with you;

13 hdonn hgoumenoi tn en hmera truphn, spiloi kai mmoi entruphntes en tais apatais autn suneukhoumenoi humin,

Hedone A. enjoyment, pleasure, first in Simon.71, S.l.c., Hdt.1.24, al.; prop. of sensual pleasures,

Hgeomai , 2. c. dat. pers. et gen. rei, to be one's leader in a thing, theios aoidos . . hmin hgeisth . . orkhthmoio Od.23.134; h. tini sophias, ds, Lead, command in war.

God HIDES Himself from the Wise or Sophias: skilled in music and singing, in divination, in rhetoric

Truph- ,softness, delicacy, daintiness, 2 Ep.Pet.2.13; II. luxuriousness, wantonness, tn gunaikn h t. Ar.Lys.387; t. kai akolasia, t. kai malthakia, give oneself airs, be dainty, fastidious, Spoiled pets in the EKKLESIA

......Aristoph. Lys. 387
......Have the luxurious rites of the women glittered
......Their libertine show, their drumming tapped out crowds,
......The Sabazian (like the Jews) Mysteries summoned their mob,
......Adonis been wept to death on the terraces,
......As I could hear the last day in the Assembly?

......This is defined as the worship by the women of Tammuz in the Temple set up for pagan idolatry.

http://www.piney.com/MuTammuz.html

That is why ALL of those using music AS worship are forced to appeal to the sacrificial exorcist musicians God never commanded

No one is so ancient that they did not know that musical prophesying (witchery) was the world's OLDEST profession. Scholars note of the religious musicians who sang AND played an instrument (Anti-instruction) was "drunk, perverted or just having fun."

This is the PLAY at Mount Sinai: God turned them over to worship the starry host or Sabazianism: Music in the presence of God when He intends to teach is always deemed without redemption.

Paison paizô [pais] 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., Pan ho kalamophthogga paizn Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, pros alllous X.Smp.9.2; meta tinos LXX Ge.26.8; of mares

HOMER SHOWING THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO STAND IN THE GAP AND WARN THE TINY REMNANT.

Hom. Od. 1.3 As soon as he touched (the psallo word) his lyre and began to sing Telemakhos spoke low to Athena,
with his head close to hers that no man might hear.

"I hope, sir," said he,
......"that you will not be offended with what I am going to say.
......Singing comes cheap to those who do not pay for it,
......and all this is done at the cost of one whose bones lie rotting in some wilderness
......or grinding to powder in the surf. (That PSA prefex, Sop, Psallo)
...... If these men were to see my father come back to Ithaca
............they would pray for longer legs rather than a longer purse,
............for wealth would not serve them;


AND PETER WARNED ABOUT THOSE WHO DO NOT SPEAK THAT WHICH IS RECORDED FOR OUR MEMORY.

http://www.piney.com/2.Peter.1.html

2Pet. 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery,
......and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls:
......an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pet. 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray,
......following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor,
......who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

......2 Cor 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
......but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

......Kapeleuo (g2585) kap-ale-yoo'-o; from kapelos , (a huckster); to retail, i.e. (by impl.)
......to adulterate (fig.): - corrupt kapêl-euô , A. to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade..
.......kapêleu' drive a trade, chaffer with your vegetable food Hdt.1.155

2Pet. 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity:
......the dumb ass speaking with mans voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2Pet. 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest;
............to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2Pet. 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity,
............they allure through the lusts of the flesh,
............through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pet. 2:19 While they promise them liberty,
............they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.



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January 28th, 2011, 3:13 am #3

Some added notes (for students only) to my partial review of Tom Burgess who quotes lots of documents on the psallo word.

http://www.piney.com/Music.Burgess.98.html

Tom Burgess, the instrumentalists and liberals will be in FELLOWSHIP at the Pepperdine lecturship OF and BY and FOR theologians or "doctors of the law" Jesus said who take away the key to knowledge. You can bettcha that there will be no ANTI-instrumentalists there

Hom. Od. 1.125 And a carver lifted up and placed before them platters of all manner of meats, and set by them golden goblets, while a herald ever walked to and fro pouring them wine. Then in came the proud wooers, and thereafter [145] sat them down in rows on chairs and high seats. Heralds poured water over their hands, and maid-servants heaped by them bread in baskets, and youths filled the bowls brim full of drink; and they put forth their hands to the good cheer lying ready before them.
[150] Now after the wooers had put from them the desire of food and drink,
.....their hearts turned to other things, to song and to dance;
.....for these things are the crown of a feast.
And a herald put the beautiful lyre in the hands of Phemius, who sang perforce among the wooers; [155] and he struck the chords in prelude2 to his sweet lay.

But Telemachus spoke to flashing-eyed Athena, holding his head close, that the others might not hear: Dear stranger, wilt thou be wroth with me for the word that I shall say?
.....These men care for things like these, the lyre and song,
.....160] full easily, seeing that without atonement they devour the livelihood of another,
.....of a man whose white bones, it may be, rot in the rain as they lie upon the mainland,
.....or the wave rolls them in the sea


This is what Jesus said of the Scribes and Pharisees he called hypocrites by pointing to Christ in Ezekiel 33 marking entertainment preachers, singers and instrument players.

Tom thinks he finds a Psallo type word mening to play the harp. However, the word is psallein. This is in the context of a MUSICIAN so if he plucks a harp then he plucks a harp. However, a kitharista is a harp player: all instruments use compound words to indicateboth pluck or strike AND the name of an instrument.

toi ho phormizn aneballeto kalon aeidein.

anaball , B. more freq. in Med., strike up, begin to play or sing (cf. anabol 11), anaballeto kalon aeidein Od.1.155, 8.266, Theoc.6.20: abs., anabaleo Pi.N.7.77; anabalou Ar.Pax1269: c. acc., eukhn a. t Erti Philostr.Im.1.29.


The PSALLO means ONLY to smite or strike something: this is similar to the word used when Jesus "cast out the musical minstrels like dung" from His healing presence.

Pind. N. 7 Under the yoke of destiny, different men are held by different restraints. But it is by your favor that, even so, Sogenes the son of Thearion, distinguished by his excellence, is celebrated in song as glorious among pentathletes. For he lives in a city that loves music, the city of the Aeacidae with their clashing spears; [10] and they very much want to foster a spirit familiar with contests. If someone is successful in his deeds, he casts a cause for sweet thoughts into the streams of the Muses. For those great acts of prowess dwell in deep darkness, if they lack songs, and we know of only one way to hold a mirror up to fine deeds: [15] if, by the grace of Mnemosyne with her splendid headdress, one finds a recompense for toils in glorious song. Skillful men know the wind that will come on the day after tomorrow, and they do not suffer loss through the love of gain. The rich man and the poor man alike travel together to the boundary of death. [20] And I expect that the story of Odysseus came to exceed his experiences, through the sweet songs of Homer, since there is a certain solemnity in his lies and winged artfulness, and poetic skill deceives, seducing us with stories, and the heart of the mass of men is blind. For if [25] they had been able to see the truth, then mighty Aias, in anger over the arms, would never have planted in his chest the smooth sword

But to you, Thearion, she gives a due measure of prosperity, and while you have gained a bold spirit for fine deeds, [60] she does not impair the wisdom of your mind. I am your friend; averting the dark shadow of abuse, and bringing genuine glory, like streams of water, to the man who is dear to me, I shall praise him. This wage is worthy of good men. If any Achaean man is nearby [65] who lives above the Ionian sea, he will not find fault with me. I trust in my being their representative. And among my fellow townsmen, the glance of my eye is bright; I have not overshot the mark, and I have thrust all violence away from my path. May the rest of my days approach benevolently. Anyone who knows the truth will declare whether I follow a path that is out of tune, singing a twisted5 song. [70] Sogenes, of the Euxenid clan, I swear that I did not overstep the line when I hurled, like a bronze-cheeked javelin, my swift tonguea throw that disqualifies a man's strong neck from the sweat of the wrestling-match, before his limbs fall under the burning sun. If there was toil, greater delight follows. [75] Let me go on. If I rose too high and shouted loudly, I am not too rude to pay my debt of gratitude to the victor. It is easy to weave garlands. Strike up the song! The Muse welds together gold and white ivory with coral, the lily she has stolen from beneath the ocean's dew. [80] But in remembrance of Zeus and in honor of Nemea, whirl a far-famed strain of song, softly
All of the sowing of discord in the last few decades derives from men who believe that if THEY believe something or just want to do it they have the endorsement of the "Holy Spirit" person. One of the discorders at Pepperdine this year claims that "a" spirit told him that God commanded instrumental praise and you had better not disobey. Of course, the PATTERNISM is for the burnt offering of the GOATS which Christ in the Prophets say that God did not command.

My first review will be my notes on K.C.Moser the "revived" authority on the Holy Spirit and other false teachings.

http://www.piney.com/Bobby.Valentine.Ho ... Moser.html
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January 28th, 2011, 4:40 pm #4

Much of the Bible identifies the prevaiing Greek, Roman and Jewish Worship to REPUDIATE the use of music which is always the WEAPON of those "intending to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." Most children of that time would not fall sucker bait to anyone imposing MUSIC knowing that Jesus spoke of the Jewish Clergy as hypocrites (preachers, singers, instrument players) the MARK of someone entertaining in order to fleece the sheep.

HOMER SPEAK FOR ALL DECENT AND LITERATE SOCIETY:

(Butler 1.2) Then the suitors came in and took their places on the benches and seats.
......Forthwith men servants poured water over their hands,
......maids went round with the bread-baskets,
......pages filled the mixing-bowls with wine and water,
......and they laid their hands upon the good things that were before them.
......As soon as they had had enough to eat and drink they wanted music and dancing,
......which are the crowning embellishments of a banquet,
......so a servant brought a lyre to Phemios,
......whom they compelled perforce to sing to them.


PETER WARNING AGAINST THOSE WHO PRIVATE INTERPRET OR FURTHER EXPOUND FOR PAY BECAUSE THEY CORRUPT THE WORD-SELL BAD LEARNING AT RETAIL.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness,
......as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time.
......Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves
......with their own deceivings [delusions] while they feast with you;

13 hdonn hgoumenoi tn en hmera truphn, spiloi kai mmoi entruphntes en tais apatais autn suneukhoumenoi humin,

Hedone A. enjoyment, pleasure, first in Simon.71, S.l.c., Hdt.1.24, al.; prop. of sensual pleasures,

Hgeomai , 2. c. dat. pers. et gen. rei, to be one's leader in a thing, theios aoidos . . hmin hgeisth . . orkhthmoio Od.23.134; h. tini sophias, ds, Lead, command in war.

God HIDES Himself from the Wise or Sophias: skilled in music and singing, in divination, in rhetoric

Truph- ,softness, delicacy, daintiness, 2 Ep.Pet.2.13; II. luxuriousness, wantonness, tn gunaikn h t. Ar.Lys.387; t. kai akolasia, t. kai malthakia, give oneself airs, be dainty, fastidious, Spoiled pets in the EKKLESIA

......Aristoph. Lys. 387
......Have the luxurious rites of the women glittered
......Their libertine show, their drumming tapped out crowds,
......The Sabazian (like the Jews) Mysteries summoned their mob,
......Adonis been wept to death on the terraces,
......As I could hear the last day in the Assembly?

......This is defined as the worship by the women of Tammuz in the Temple set up for pagan idolatry.

http://www.piney.com/MuTammuz.html

That is why ALL of those using music AS worship are forced to appeal to the sacrificial exorcist musicians God never commanded

No one is so ancient that they did not know that musical prophesying (witchery) was the world's OLDEST profession. Scholars note of the religious musicians who sang AND played an instrument (Anti-instruction) was "drunk, perverted or just having fun."

This is the PLAY at Mount Sinai: God turned them over to worship the starry host or Sabazianism: Music in the presence of God when He intends to teach is always deemed without redemption.

Paison paizô [pais] 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., Pan ho kalamophthogga paizn Ar.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, pros alllous X.Smp.9.2; meta tinos LXX Ge.26.8; of mares

HOMER SHOWING THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO STAND IN THE GAP AND WARN THE TINY REMNANT.

Hom. Od. 1.3 As soon as he touched (the psallo word) his lyre and began to sing Telemakhos spoke low to Athena,
with his head close to hers that no man might hear.

"I hope, sir," said he,
......"that you will not be offended with what I am going to say.
......Singing comes cheap to those who do not pay for it,
......and all this is done at the cost of one whose bones lie rotting in some wilderness
......or grinding to powder in the surf. (That PSA prefex, Sop, Psallo)
...... If these men were to see my father come back to Ithaca
............they would pray for longer legs rather than a longer purse,
............for wealth would not serve them;


AND PETER WARNED ABOUT THOSE WHO DO NOT SPEAK THAT WHICH IS RECORDED FOR OUR MEMORY.

http://www.piney.com/2.Peter.1.html

2Pet. 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery,
......and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls:
......an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pet. 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray,
......following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor,
......who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

......2 Cor 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
......but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

......Kapeleuo (g2585) kap-ale-yoo'-o; from kapelos , (a huckster); to retail, i.e. (by impl.)
......to adulterate (fig.): - corrupt kapêl-euô , A. to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade..
.......kapêleu' drive a trade, chaffer with your vegetable food Hdt.1.155

2Pet. 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity:
......the dumb ass speaking with mans voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2Pet. 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest;
............to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2Pet. 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity,
............they allure through the lusts of the flesh,
............through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2Pet. 2:19 While they promise them liberty,
............they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


This is another very insightful and inspiring piece. Thank you for sharing and keep up the fine work Ken.

Fred Whaley
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