TO CHANGE OR NOT TO CHANGE? (Part 2)

TO CHANGE OR NOT TO CHANGE? (Part 2)

John Waddey
John Waddey

June 30th, 2004, 6:13 am #1

This is one very important question that confronts each congregation of the church of Christ. The decision to change or not to change God’s will for the church must not be made by its own leadership without God’s direction and authorization. This thread has been initiated for the purpose of addressing this question, and a series of articles by John Waddey will continue to be posted.

Here’s introducing John Waddey, a native of Nashville, Tennessee and a lifelong member of the church of Christ, who has served churches of Christ in Mississippi, Colorado, Tennessee and Arizona. He has vast experiences in training young ministers and in Christian journalism. “He serves as minister of the West Bell Road Church of Christ in Surprise, AZ… He sees the internet as a wonderful tool, which God has provided for the spread of the gospel and is eager to share his knowledge with truth-seekers around the world.” For more information about the author and editor of the self-descriptive site, please link to:

Christianity: Then and Now

Please learn about what the author has to say regarding the “winds” blowing across the face of the brotherhood, and let us join the efforts against a “spiritual war” being waged against congregations before they are taken over and swept into apostasy.

Donnie Cruz
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<font size=5>“TO CHANGE OR NOT TO CHANGE?” </font>
<font size=4>by John Waddey</font>
  • <font color=blue>Churches of Christ are standing at a critical crossroads. We face the same situation our forefathers faced in the half-century following the Civil War. Shall we continue in the old paths of New Testament Christianity that our predecessors in the faith traveled, or shall we change our direction? The road to the right is the road of ultra conservatism that inevitably leads to radicalism, faction and division. The road to the left is the road of liberalism. It leads away from the simplicity of the gospel to a denominational version of Christianity that stands without Christ's approval. It is the approach being promoted by those who are advocating “change” for our churches.

    A hundred years ago the majority of those who were part of the movement to restore original Christianity chose the same road the agents of change are now promoting. Today they are identified as the Disciples of Christ/Christian Churches. The issues that distinguished that movement last century and the movement for change of today are virtually identical. When the digression occurred in the past, the surviving remnant, led by great men such as David Lipscomb, James A. Harding, Austin McGary and J. D. Tant had to rebuild, almost from scratch. But God blessed their efforts and today well over two million souls are identified with the Churches of Christ around the world.

    Today winds are blowing gale-force across the face of our beloved brotherhood. They are urging us to abandon the old ways for new ways learned from our denominational neighbors. These winds, originating primarily from our large universities, are sure to drive the ship of Zion on the rocks of destruction, should they prevail.

    The purpose of this site [http://www.christianity-then-and-now.com/] is to address the changes being advocated; to examine them in light of Scripture. Each month we will post our journal, Christianity: Then and Now. We will review the books of the change agents as well as useful books that answer them. We will answer the questions our readers submit that relate to the problems before us. Additional materials will be posted on a regular basis. Should you find any of them useful, we encourage you to download them and distribute them, as you will.

    Please join us in prayer that God will bless this effort and use this teaching site to the honor and glory of his Son and for the good of his church. Pray that we will do only good and no harm at all. If we can help one preaching brother to clarify his thinking and avoid taking the road to the left; if we can assist one eldership in protecting their flock; if we can help to reclaim one soul who has been beguiled by false teachers; if we can light a candle to guide one or a hundred in the way of Truth, our efforts will be well repaid.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    John Waddey
    </font>
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<font size=5> A TEAM EFFORT TO PROTECT THE CHURCH FROM HARM </font>
<font size=4>by John Waddey </font>
  • <font color=blue>A spiritual war is being waged against the brotherhood of churches of Christ. Across the nation battles are being fought as agents of change work to gain control of congregations, schools, and mission outposts. They are well placed, well-funded and well prepared for their conquest. They are fully aware of what they are doing and where they are going. They are highly motivated and confident of victory. Unfortunately the majority of those who are their intended victims are unaware of the danger facing them. Some realize there is a problem but seem not to perceive the extent of it and the imminent danger it poses. If we are to effectively block this takeover of congregations, which will result in their being swept into apostasy, those who love the Lord and his church must take action. We must act now and act decisively. We must recruit an army of volunteers and we must educate and inform our fellow-Christians.

    AN OPERATION IN WHICH YOU CAN HELP

    We need … Christians who have access to the Internet to join hands with us in an educational project … addressing some aspect of the change movement among our brethren. Some of the articles will remind us of the Biblical reasons why we believe and worship as we do. They will address those items being challenged by the promoters of change. Other articles will address the errors or fallacies of the false teachers. Some will review their books and speeches.

    … When you receive the article, read it and then forward it to ten or more members of the church on your mailing list with a note encouraging them to read it and forward it to Christians on their list. Such an effort has the potential to reach thousands of brethren … they will receive a brief lesson that will remind them of who we are, what we believe and why. They will be reminded of the dangers of the change movement … (Hopefully they can be elders, preachers, teachers, but any brother or sister in Christ). You are encouraged to send it to the congregations in your area who receive e-mail. Send it forth with a fervent prayer that God will bless your efforts and save his church from being swept away.

    Thank you for caring enough to get involved in the most important thing in the world.

    Yours for the church we love,
    </font>

    John Waddey, Editor
    Christianity: Then and Now

    E-Mail: [url=mailto:johnwaddey@aol.com]johnwaddey@aol.com[/url]
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H.Roberson
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June 30th, 2004, 6:14 pm #2

Mr. Waddy's two articles are all fluff - there isn't a single concrete item in either of them. He does use some yellow journalism tactics such as buzz words and fear mongering, but he offers little if any evidence.

H.Roberson
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John Waddey
John Waddey

July 1st, 2004, 6:02 am #3

This is one very important question that confronts each congregation of the church of Christ. The decision to change or not to change God’s will for the church must not be made by its own leadership without God’s direction and authorization. This thread has been initiated for the purpose of addressing this question, and a series of articles by John Waddey will continue to be posted.

Here’s introducing John Waddey, a native of Nashville, Tennessee and a lifelong member of the church of Christ, who has served churches of Christ in Mississippi, Colorado, Tennessee and Arizona. He has vast experiences in training young ministers and in Christian journalism. “He serves as minister of the West Bell Road Church of Christ in Surprise, AZ… He sees the internet as a wonderful tool, which God has provided for the spread of the gospel and is eager to share his knowledge with truth-seekers around the world.” For more information about the author and editor of the self-descriptive site, please link to:

Christianity: Then and Now

Please learn about what the author has to say regarding the “winds” blowing across the face of the brotherhood, and let us join the efforts against a “spiritual war” being waged against congregations before they are taken over and swept into apostasy.

Donnie Cruz
____________________________________________________________________

<font size=5>“TO CHANGE OR NOT TO CHANGE?” </font>
<font size=4>by John Waddey</font>
  • <font color=blue>Churches of Christ are standing at a critical crossroads. We face the same situation our forefathers faced in the half-century following the Civil War. Shall we continue in the old paths of New Testament Christianity that our predecessors in the faith traveled, or shall we change our direction? The road to the right is the road of ultra conservatism that inevitably leads to radicalism, faction and division. The road to the left is the road of liberalism. It leads away from the simplicity of the gospel to a denominational version of Christianity that stands without Christ's approval. It is the approach being promoted by those who are advocating “change” for our churches.

    A hundred years ago the majority of those who were part of the movement to restore original Christianity chose the same road the agents of change are now promoting. Today they are identified as the Disciples of Christ/Christian Churches. The issues that distinguished that movement last century and the movement for change of today are virtually identical. When the digression occurred in the past, the surviving remnant, led by great men such as David Lipscomb, James A. Harding, Austin McGary and J. D. Tant had to rebuild, almost from scratch. But God blessed their efforts and today well over two million souls are identified with the Churches of Christ around the world.

    Today winds are blowing gale-force across the face of our beloved brotherhood. They are urging us to abandon the old ways for new ways learned from our denominational neighbors. These winds, originating primarily from our large universities, are sure to drive the ship of Zion on the rocks of destruction, should they prevail.

    The purpose of this site [http://www.christianity-then-and-now.com/] is to address the changes being advocated; to examine them in light of Scripture. Each month we will post our journal, Christianity: Then and Now. We will review the books of the change agents as well as useful books that answer them. We will answer the questions our readers submit that relate to the problems before us. Additional materials will be posted on a regular basis. Should you find any of them useful, we encourage you to download them and distribute them, as you will.

    Please join us in prayer that God will bless this effort and use this teaching site to the honor and glory of his Son and for the good of his church. Pray that we will do only good and no harm at all. If we can help one preaching brother to clarify his thinking and avoid taking the road to the left; if we can assist one eldership in protecting their flock; if we can help to reclaim one soul who has been beguiled by false teachers; if we can light a candle to guide one or a hundred in the way of Truth, our efforts will be well repaid.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    John Waddey
    </font>
____________________________________________________________________

<font size=5> A TEAM EFFORT TO PROTECT THE CHURCH FROM HARM </font>
<font size=4>by John Waddey </font>
  • <font color=blue>A spiritual war is being waged against the brotherhood of churches of Christ. Across the nation battles are being fought as agents of change work to gain control of congregations, schools, and mission outposts. They are well placed, well-funded and well prepared for their conquest. They are fully aware of what they are doing and where they are going. They are highly motivated and confident of victory. Unfortunately the majority of those who are their intended victims are unaware of the danger facing them. Some realize there is a problem but seem not to perceive the extent of it and the imminent danger it poses. If we are to effectively block this takeover of congregations, which will result in their being swept into apostasy, those who love the Lord and his church must take action. We must act now and act decisively. We must recruit an army of volunteers and we must educate and inform our fellow-Christians.

    AN OPERATION IN WHICH YOU CAN HELP

    We need … Christians who have access to the Internet to join hands with us in an educational project … addressing some aspect of the change movement among our brethren. Some of the articles will remind us of the Biblical reasons why we believe and worship as we do. They will address those items being challenged by the promoters of change. Other articles will address the errors or fallacies of the false teachers. Some will review their books and speeches.

    … When you receive the article, read it and then forward it to ten or more members of the church on your mailing list with a note encouraging them to read it and forward it to Christians on their list. Such an effort has the potential to reach thousands of brethren … they will receive a brief lesson that will remind them of who we are, what we believe and why. They will be reminded of the dangers of the change movement … (Hopefully they can be elders, preachers, teachers, but any brother or sister in Christ). You are encouraged to send it to the congregations in your area who receive e-mail. Send it forth with a fervent prayer that God will bless your efforts and save his church from being swept away.

    Thank you for caring enough to get involved in the most important thing in the world.

    Yours for the church we love,
    </font>

    John Waddey, Editor
    Christianity: Then and Now

    E-Mail: [url=mailto:johnwaddey@aol.com]johnwaddey@aol.com[/url]
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<font size=5>“MORE THAN A FEELING: WORSHIP THAT PLEASES GOD” </font>
<font size=3> (A Book You Should Read) </font>
Bro. Jimmy Jividen has blest the church with yet another fine book that addresses the contemporary needs and problems confronting us. In thirteen concise chapters he analyzes every aspect of worship from a Biblical standpoint. He devotes a chapter to the question, "Is worship something the assembled church offers to God or is it what Christians do as they go about their daily activities?" In chapter five he gives us an excellent discussion of "Worship and Culture." Separate chapters are devoted to Worship in Praise and Prayer, in the Lord's Supper, in Giving and in Hearing God's Word. Each chapter is following by meaningful suggestions on how to improve the quality of our worship.

The last two chapters are very helpful. In them the author looks at the current tensions concerning the worship of the church. He notes the similarities of today's problems to those that beset our people a century ago. He clarifies the differences in expediencies and innovations in worship. Those who read Bro. Jividen's material will not have to guess what he means. They will not be wondering if there is some veiled message beneath the surface of his words. This book is a wonderful call for the simple and pure worship instituted by the Lord.

With all the pressures for unauthorized change, elders would provide a much needed service for their congregation if they would schedule a quarter of Bible studies for all their adult classes, using this book for a guide. It will enrich the congregation's worship. It will increase the individual disciples' understanding of how to worship God acceptably and motivate them to truly worship in spirit and in truth. Meaningful discussion questions accompany each chapter. Preachers will find in this book excellent materials for sermons on the various aspects of worship.

You may order this book from the Gospel Advocate, P. O. Box 150, Nashville, TN 37202.

JHW
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Donnie Cruz
Donnie Cruz

July 2nd, 2004, 6:29 am #4

Mr. Waddy's two articles are all fluff - there isn't a single concrete item in either of them. He does use some yellow journalism tactics such as buzz words and fear mongering, but he offers little if any evidence.

H.Roberson
"NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE." Please read the archived portion of "To Change or Not to Change." Thanks.
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John Waddey
John Waddey

July 2nd, 2004, 6:39 am #5

This is one very important question that confronts each congregation of the church of Christ. The decision to change or not to change God’s will for the church must not be made by its own leadership without God’s direction and authorization. This thread has been initiated for the purpose of addressing this question, and a series of articles by John Waddey will continue to be posted.

Here’s introducing John Waddey, a native of Nashville, Tennessee and a lifelong member of the church of Christ, who has served churches of Christ in Mississippi, Colorado, Tennessee and Arizona. He has vast experiences in training young ministers and in Christian journalism. “He serves as minister of the West Bell Road Church of Christ in Surprise, AZ… He sees the internet as a wonderful tool, which God has provided for the spread of the gospel and is eager to share his knowledge with truth-seekers around the world.” For more information about the author and editor of the self-descriptive site, please link to:

Christianity: Then and Now

Please learn about what the author has to say regarding the “winds” blowing across the face of the brotherhood, and let us join the efforts against a “spiritual war” being waged against congregations before they are taken over and swept into apostasy.

Donnie Cruz
____________________________________________________________________

<font size=5>“TO CHANGE OR NOT TO CHANGE?” </font>
<font size=4>by John Waddey</font>
  • <font color=blue>Churches of Christ are standing at a critical crossroads. We face the same situation our forefathers faced in the half-century following the Civil War. Shall we continue in the old paths of New Testament Christianity that our predecessors in the faith traveled, or shall we change our direction? The road to the right is the road of ultra conservatism that inevitably leads to radicalism, faction and division. The road to the left is the road of liberalism. It leads away from the simplicity of the gospel to a denominational version of Christianity that stands without Christ's approval. It is the approach being promoted by those who are advocating “change” for our churches.

    A hundred years ago the majority of those who were part of the movement to restore original Christianity chose the same road the agents of change are now promoting. Today they are identified as the Disciples of Christ/Christian Churches. The issues that distinguished that movement last century and the movement for change of today are virtually identical. When the digression occurred in the past, the surviving remnant, led by great men such as David Lipscomb, James A. Harding, Austin McGary and J. D. Tant had to rebuild, almost from scratch. But God blessed their efforts and today well over two million souls are identified with the Churches of Christ around the world.

    Today winds are blowing gale-force across the face of our beloved brotherhood. They are urging us to abandon the old ways for new ways learned from our denominational neighbors. These winds, originating primarily from our large universities, are sure to drive the ship of Zion on the rocks of destruction, should they prevail.

    The purpose of this site [http://www.christianity-then-and-now.com/] is to address the changes being advocated; to examine them in light of Scripture. Each month we will post our journal, Christianity: Then and Now. We will review the books of the change agents as well as useful books that answer them. We will answer the questions our readers submit that relate to the problems before us. Additional materials will be posted on a regular basis. Should you find any of them useful, we encourage you to download them and distribute them, as you will.

    Please join us in prayer that God will bless this effort and use this teaching site to the honor and glory of his Son and for the good of his church. Pray that we will do only good and no harm at all. If we can help one preaching brother to clarify his thinking and avoid taking the road to the left; if we can assist one eldership in protecting their flock; if we can help to reclaim one soul who has been beguiled by false teachers; if we can light a candle to guide one or a hundred in the way of Truth, our efforts will be well repaid.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    John Waddey
    </font>
____________________________________________________________________

<font size=5> A TEAM EFFORT TO PROTECT THE CHURCH FROM HARM </font>
<font size=4>by John Waddey </font>
  • <font color=blue>A spiritual war is being waged against the brotherhood of churches of Christ. Across the nation battles are being fought as agents of change work to gain control of congregations, schools, and mission outposts. They are well placed, well-funded and well prepared for their conquest. They are fully aware of what they are doing and where they are going. They are highly motivated and confident of victory. Unfortunately the majority of those who are their intended victims are unaware of the danger facing them. Some realize there is a problem but seem not to perceive the extent of it and the imminent danger it poses. If we are to effectively block this takeover of congregations, which will result in their being swept into apostasy, those who love the Lord and his church must take action. We must act now and act decisively. We must recruit an army of volunteers and we must educate and inform our fellow-Christians.

    AN OPERATION IN WHICH YOU CAN HELP

    We need … Christians who have access to the Internet to join hands with us in an educational project … addressing some aspect of the change movement among our brethren. Some of the articles will remind us of the Biblical reasons why we believe and worship as we do. They will address those items being challenged by the promoters of change. Other articles will address the errors or fallacies of the false teachers. Some will review their books and speeches.

    … When you receive the article, read it and then forward it to ten or more members of the church on your mailing list with a note encouraging them to read it and forward it to Christians on their list. Such an effort has the potential to reach thousands of brethren … they will receive a brief lesson that will remind them of who we are, what we believe and why. They will be reminded of the dangers of the change movement … (Hopefully they can be elders, preachers, teachers, but any brother or sister in Christ). You are encouraged to send it to the congregations in your area who receive e-mail. Send it forth with a fervent prayer that God will bless your efforts and save his church from being swept away.

    Thank you for caring enough to get involved in the most important thing in the world.

    Yours for the church we love,
    </font>

    John Waddey, Editor
    Christianity: Then and Now

    E-Mail: [url=mailto:johnwaddey@aol.com]johnwaddey@aol.com[/url]
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<font size=4>BEFORE YOU INVEST IN A NEW THING, CHECK IT OUT</font>

Folk-wisdom is a wonderful thing. Without the advantages of higher education, our forefathers learned valuable lessons of life and encoded them in wise sayings. "Don't buy a pig in a poke," i.e., don't make a purchase without first inspecting the item. There is a certain risk in ordering merchandise from a catalog. The actual product is often not the quality that the picture implies.

Those progressive-minded elders, preachers and members, who are taken with the proposals for change being promoted by some of our university scholars, really need to check out the actual product before they buy the package. What sounds exciting in a religious journal or a book may appear quite different in a real life setting. They owe it to themselves and the church to visit a Disciples of Christ/Christian Church. There was a time (125 yrs. past) when these folks were one with us in faith and practice. They chose the road now being promoted in a flurry of books being produced and circulated by faculty members of Abilene Christian University and endorsed by the president of that institution. <font size=3>To see the end results of the "drive to introduce change" in our brotherhood, "go and see. "</font> Then you can make an informed decision whether or not to proceed.
<ol><font color=blue>[*]In a Disciples Church you can see the "new hermeneutic" at work. Their seminaries have been instilling in their students this approach to the Bible for a full century. One's approach to the Bible plays out in the faith and practice of the congregation.

[*]You can see the kind of music the agents of change will bring into your worship assemblies. When the question of instrumental music in worship is no longer a "faith or salvation issue," you get not only the pipe-organ, the piano and the chorus, but the rock band as well.

[*]There you can see first hand what the talk about "freeing our women to serve God" is really all about. They have women preachers and elders.

[*]You can see how replacing the search for Bible authority on questions of faith, practice and morals with the "story telling" approach can lead to gay membership and ordination.

[*]You can see for yourself the real meaning of, "we are Christians only, but not the only Christians." There you will find participation in the Billy Graham type of crusades, membership in the ministerial alliance, acceptance of the unimmersed as fellow-Christians and membership in the World Council of Churches.

[*]You can see how "we can do anything the Bible does not condemn" plays out in the practice of a church. First they rejected the idea of "the law of silence" that says we can only do what the Scripture authorizes us to do. They then abandoned "book chapter and verse" Bible preaching. They now have no trouble embracing things clearly forbidden and condemned by Scripture.

[*]You will see the fruit of theological liberalism in the life and teaching of a church. Many of their theologians and preachers blush not to lay their sinful hands on the sacred text of the Bible and question if it is even legitimate.

[*]You can see a full blown denomination. With its national governing body, headquarters, presiding officers. They now proudly acknowledge that they are truly a denomination.

[*]You can see the kind of preachers it genders; reverend pastors whose preaching has been reduced to the level of cold water.

[*]You can see a dying church. For half a century the Disciples have been declining in membership. Standards have been lowered to the bottom notch, entertainment has replaced worship. Every new social fad of liberalism has been embraced, still they are dying. [/i]</font>
[/list]Please, Christian leader, before you buy the "change" package being promoted among us, make the visit; check it out. Is this where you really want to go? Once you invite the change-makers in, the likelihood of restoring the Biblical faith and practice of the past is almost nil.

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John Waddey, Editor
Christianity: Then and Now

E-Mail: [url=mailto:johnwaddey@aol.com]johnwaddey@aol.com[/url]
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H.Roberson
H.Roberson

July 3rd, 2004, 4:15 am #6

More negative emotional nonesense. The old "the sky is falling" slippery slope alarm. No Bible here, just Waddey's continued emotionalism.

Story telling leads to the ordination of gays?!! I find it very difficult to believe Waddey actually believes this.

Does Waddey actually believe that there are no Christians except those in churches of Christ? My, my. Perhaps Waddey could explain how one becomes a Christian and then demonstrate that if someone not in a Church of Christ does those things, that they are still not Christian. If he cannot demonstrate that, then he must admit that we are not the only Christians.

Waddey has picked the extreme to prove his point. He could have pointed these leaders to the Independent Christian Church which, in many ways are more Biblically conservative than we are. Yes, some of them have a band and they seem to have a stonger Preacher model. But Waddey has already said that being wrong in a few places isn't damnable. If it isn't, what's the cause of all this emotion?

H.Roberson
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Donnie Cruz
Donnie Cruz

July 4th, 2004, 7:16 am #7

More negative nonsense from H. Roberson who has yet to say anything positive about the many articles written to warn churches of the Change Movement and the apostates. Roberson missed all the points in Waddey’s article above. Let’s hush for a few moments! Instead of H. Roberson’s gobbledygook, let’s hear H. Roberson address the following key items in Waddey’s article:
  • <font color=blue>
  • “New hermeneutic” that allows the change agents to justify their new beliefs, programs and practices
  • Instrumental music in worship not a salvation issue … should be acceptable in worship
  • Women preachers and elders
  • “Story telling” or “drama” approach in teaching about heaven and hell
  • The un-immersed being “added to” and as co-members in the body of Christ
  • That “we can do anything the Bible does not condemn”
  • Theological liberalism
  • That the church of Christ is “a denomination” among others
  • Reverend pastors [as when Max was addressed as Reverend Lucado on TV—he liked it]
  • Entertainment in worship to boost attendance</font>
What say you?
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

July 5th, 2004, 2:30 pm #8

I've noticed often that advocates of the Change Movement or sympathizers thereof can only offer futile name-calling and insults in "rebuttal" to Bible-based opponents of this Movement. H. Roberson brands John Waddey's mature, eloquently written articles and warnings as emotional, sky-is-falling "fluff." Roberson selectively ignores the bulk of articles Bro. Waddey has written opposing the Movement based on the PRINCIPLES found in Scripture. Yet in those posts of June 30 and July 3, Roberson offers nothing from the Scriptures that would support the Change Movement.

Arguments based solely on insults reveal much about those making them.
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H.Roberson
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July 5th, 2004, 5:00 pm #9

More negative nonsense from H. Roberson who has yet to say anything positive about the many articles written to warn churches of the Change Movement and the apostates. Roberson missed all the points in Waddey’s article above. Let’s hush for a few moments! Instead of H. Roberson’s gobbledygook, let’s hear H. Roberson address the following key items in Waddey’s article:
  • <font color=blue>
  • “New hermeneutic” that allows the change agents to justify their new beliefs, programs and practices
  • Instrumental music in worship not a salvation issue … should be acceptable in worship
  • Women preachers and elders
  • “Story telling” or “drama” approach in teaching about heaven and hell
  • The un-immersed being “added to” and as co-members in the body of Christ
  • That “we can do anything the Bible does not condemn”
  • Theological liberalism
  • That the church of Christ is “a denomination” among others
  • Reverend pastors [as when Max was addressed as Reverend Lucado on TV—he liked it]
  • Entertainment in worship to boost attendance</font>
What say you?
Brother Donnie,

I addressed two of Waddey's points simply to make my point. If you have read my posts you will have seen that I have found good things in Waddey's posts but in most of them, he simply rehashes emotionally-laden proof points for his positions. He does not offer scripture that directly addresses his points, but simply raises an emotional alarm.

I did address two of Waddey's points:

His fear mongering about the (the lack of) cause and effect leading to ordination of gays and his personal emotional reaction against the (lack of) cause and effect of "not the only Christians" leading to acceptance of the unimmersed as Christians. The two paragraphs of Waddey's article that address those two "issues" are complete non sequitors. His "sign" does not necessarily "cause" the affect he is so concerned about.

Waddey does not offer scripture to support his points. He simply states something he doesn't like and then makes an extreme application of the thing. The result is that anyone who would utter the phrase "not the only Christians" would immediately be accused of being a Change Agent with sinister motives. The simple fact is that if we use our (standard Church of Christ) understanding of what it takes to be a Christian, it is highly likely that there are Christians in places other than Churches of Christ. They may be erring in various ways, but even Waddey admits that being perfect isn't required. The point is that even if Change Agents have been known to use this phrase, the phrase itself has a high probability of being accurate and it is not necessary to go to the extreme Waddey does in spreading alarm over it. It is not true that everyone that utters it is an ultra-liberal, demonized Change Agent.

If you would actually read past the first paragraphs of my posts, you might see that they do address various points. Do I want, do I need to address every point in Waddey's article to illustrate that his posts are full of opinionated, emotional alarm? I think not; these illustrations I choose to use suffice.

H.Roberson

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July 5th, 2004, 5:05 pm #10

"NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE." Please read the archived portion of "To Change or Not to Change." Thanks.
Brother Donnie,

My point is not that some information may be buried somewhere in the universe but that the posts by Waddey cannot stand on their own as posted on this site. As a result, they do not contribute to intelligent or spiritual discussion but simply repeat innuendo and result in raising alarm and suspicion where there is no need.

If Waddey would offer some Scriptural support for his arguments, his articles might have some value. As they are, they are less than helpful.

H.Roberson
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