Tithing TOO!

Tithing TOO!

Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

January 22nd, 2005, 6:05 pm #1

Garland M. Robinson in S.T.O.P. joins Madison in trying to restore the Law of Moses?

THE MADISON-LIKE FALSE JUDAIZING TEACHING
  • <font color=red>ROBBING GOD

    Mal 3:8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed rne. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."

    It is unbelievable, unthinkable, but people rob God. They rob Him of money, time, service, faithfulness. God issues a challenge for them to give. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10). </font>
First, the temple is the only HOUSE which was authorized to receive tithes and offerings. Because of the fatal musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai, God "turned them over to worship the starry host." (Stephen in Acts 7). The tribe of Levi became the substitutes for the God-ordained patriarchs through the first born son. This, of course, meant that they rejected God's rule thorugh His Living and Written Word. The tribe of Levi became the CIVIL wing of the nation which dominated the tribal or "congregational" nature of God's rule. They were to receive ONE TENTH of the FOOD--ONLY from those who had received FREE FARMS already set up and producing or those who purchased TRIBAL lands for a stated period after which it reverted to the Tribe. These tithes went to the tribe of Levi in an unrestricted way only TWO out of SEVEN years. Out of that RENT the tribe gave ONE TENTH to the priests. The priests were MEDIATORS to offer animal sacrifices which COULD NOT make the conscience clean.

Therefore, to LAY CLAIM to the tithe EVERY year from WAGES is to rob the WAGE EARNER and to REJECT the value of the sacrifice of Christ. Wage earners gave anything they wished but they OWED only those taxes laid on CIVIL or SECULAR trade such as import-export.

The priests and on-duty Levites got a free, daily dole of food ONLY when they were on duty at the temple and could not leave. If they wanted a new CHARIOT they did honest work like everyone else. Paul understood that all religious workers have a trade to "work or they shall not eat." The rest of the Tribe of Levi took care of what we would call CIVIL GOVERNMENT. The THRESHING OXEN got nibbles ONLY while it was threshing MY grain. Then, it left and I did not board it all winter.

THE MADISON-LIKE THREAT
  • <font color=red>I once had a good brother in the Iord reveal to me and lament the fact of the many years he wasted and robbed God before he became a Christian. He wished he had the time to go back and correct it. He would have become a Christian years before he did.

    But that time is gone. It cannot be relived.

    Remember how the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes in torment and desired relief of his suffering (Luke 16:23)? He learned it was too late for himself, so he sought desperately to warn his brothers because he knew they were headed to the same place. They could not be warned from beyond the grave. However, they were being warned, even then, by God's divine, inspired, Word. Every human being on the face of the earth is being warned today by God's living inspired Word. Why won't they listen? Why won't they take heed? Why do they continue to rob God of that which He is due? </font>
Modern Jews do not tithe--or I believe pass the plate--because there are NO JEWISH priests and Levites. Even then there is NO Temple and NO animal sacrifices for which a PRIESTLY CLASS must act as MEDIATORS. A kabutz tenant may pay rent but no honest Rabbi would threaten an American Jew with HADES for not TITHING. No Christian can do it without telling Jesus "your sacrifice DID NOT pay it all.' In Israel ONLY those involved in FOOD PROCESSING pay their tithe voluntarily: this is about 1% or what the PRIESTS once got and this is given to the poor or burned.
  • <font color=red>The church is authorized to take up a collection every first day of the week. Therefore, Christians are commanded to give on this day as they have been prospered (I Cor. 16:1-2). Our giving is to be done purposefully, cheerfully and not grudgingly (II Cor. 9:6-7). We give unto the Lord, not man. </font>
First, the Corinthians had learned about the FAMINE in Judea and were the first to VOLUNTEER to give. Now, perhaps a year later there had BEEN NO WEEKLY collections at "church." Paul said that he did not want any collections taken after he arrived--and he might remain with them over the winter or perhaps 3 months.

Next, Paul said LET EACH lay BY HIMSELF. Both grammatically and historically that meant that EACH should take something out of his FIRST WORK day which would be the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK and put it in his "thesaurus" or house bank. The world's scholarship has NOT DOUBT that this was NOT a LEGAL ACT OF WORSHIP which MUST be done in order to escape HADES. The early church DID NOT see this as proportional giving where wellfare ladies tithe their pittance: it meant that THOSE WHO PROSPERED were to give to THOSE WHO WERE DESTITUTE.

http://www.piney.com/LayByInStore.html

Paul does not want himself or them to be embarassed so he is nudging them to as a ONE TIME thing simply because THEY had volunteered and needed to keep their pledge.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

    2 Cor 8: 10 And herein I give my ADVICE: for this is expedient for you, who have BEGUN before, not only to do, but also to be FORWARD a YEAR AGO </font>
The TAX MAN does not send me an ADVICE BILL!

This would have been a good time for Paul to have accused them of ROBBING God because it is CLEAR that they had NOT been "laying by AT CHURCH on the Lord's day." We do know that they took care of the poor.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8: 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness [predisposition] to will, so there may be a performance also OUT of that WHICH ye HAVE.

    2 Cor 8: 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

    2 Cor 8: 13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: </font>
In the ninth chapter Paul wants them to now DO that one-time collection before he gets there or his presence would be like EXTORTION:
  • <font color=blue>2 Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up BEFOREHAND your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. </font>
Paul might be there three months so the URGENCY was to take care of this TOUCHY issue before he arrived so they WOULD NOT be threatened.

Covetousness is
  • <font color=blue>Plenoecia (g4124) pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; from 4123; avarice, i.e. (by impl.) fraudulency, extortion: - covetous (-ness) practices, greediness.

    PAUL'S PRESENCE would be an EXTORTING influence and that would be radically opposed to the idea of GOSPEL or "free water of the Word."

    1Co.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Co 9:5LIV So I have asked these other brothers to arrive ahead of me to see that the gift you promised is on hand and waiting. I want it to be a real gift and not look as if it were being given under PRESSURE</font>
It is pretty hard to think of more PRESSURE than frightening hard working people unable to buy health insurance than if they DO NOT do tithes AND offerings they will end up in HADES. A local preacher told a wellfare lady just that: "tithing is a law, break the law and you go to hell."

It simply cannot be a LAW or a COMMAND and still be a FREE GIFT. I willingly pay the IRS what I lawfully owe: I do NOT give them GIFTS.
  • <font color=red>Will we rob God of that which He is due? Are you robbing Him? </font>
Assuredly you ARE robbing God if you claim a TITHE of the WAGES of people. To be honest and true to the Bible you would HAVE to set a family up with a FREE farm or business and then charge them 10 percent of their INCREASE or income. In Egypt, Joseph charged 25% because he was LAYING BY in store the people's OWN food.

You rob God if you claim the role of MUSICAL Levite or SACRIFICIAL priest mediating between the AUDIENCE and GOD. The problem was within the CLERGY and Paul is NOT telling the local carpenter to pay a TITHE on his SALES PRICE of a new chair!
  • <font color=blue>AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1

    If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Malachi 2:2 </font>
http://www.piney.com/Malachi.2.html

It is a radically new thing for once-conservatives to claim the TITHE or to claim that Paul gave a LAW of GIVING. History knows this giving as ONLY for the poor or traveller. If one claiming even to be an apostle remained over two or three days they got him a JOB or free passage to the next town. People who laid claim to pay as MUSICIANS were tarred and feathered only they used honey and cotton. One might expect that FORCED TITHING is a sign of failure to involve the BODY. Musicians and RHETORICIANS were classed together because they PRODUCED nothing which advanced society.

These false teachings make it extremely hard to get people to be faithful to the Words of God for fear of being called a legalist.

Ken
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January 26th, 2005, 6:04 pm #2

MATTHEW 15 Has Jesus speak of ALL of the prophets [who spoke for God and against the sacrificial system]. If you cannot GRASP that Jesus POINTS to absolute proof that music was always a REPUDIATION of the Word of God, then you maybe are not supposed to grasp it. ALL of the documents similar to the Book of Enoch or the Book of Jubilees PROVES that once Satan has forced you to make the CONNECTION between the carnal nerve endings and the Spirit you have been HARD WIRED and will never be able to grasp what has been in PLAIN SIGHT for ALL of the church scholars and founders of denominations. The same universal message is that if you CANNOT grasp the simple truth then you should EAT, DRINK AND BE MERRY.

Remember that Jesus said that the Spiritual truth had been hidden in parables from the foundation of the world. That begins in Genesis 1:1. When the Israelites were MARKED at Mount Sinai because of the musical worship of the trinity, He abandoned them to worship that for which their WORSHIP was seen by Him as THEIR PRAYER. Furthermore, there was a great LEGALISTIC detour and the Jews could not HEAR the Word of God until they TURNED to Christ. Christ was that OTHER PROPHET whom Moses said that we MUST hear. That is why God HIDES the truth in PLAIN VIEW knowing that the religious ACTORS or the Sect of the Hypocrites COULD NOT grasp it. Now, the professional performers who have INFILTRATED honest pulpits ALL CLAIM that God said NOTHING negative about music and, in fact, the Lucados and Shellys claim that God COMMANDED it and that the Holy Spirit is God's song writer and dance master.

Those who CANNOT SEE any negative PLAIN REPUDIATION by all of the Bible and by Jesus, Paul and ALL of church history surfaced among the musical SECTARIANS of the Restoration Movement when they discovered PSALLO or MELODY and have made a massive INDUSTRY out of hostility toward those who, like Jesus, look at the MUSICAL MINSTRELS and cast them out like one CASTS OUT DUNG. It is a fact that the ARABS claiming to be Israelites at the Jerusalem (Sodom) temple had, under Midianite influence, CONSUMED the sacrifices of Baal-Peor which were DUNG of the previous SACRIFICERS. So, there is a HUGE body of literature associating the flute-girls with prostitutes, cemetaries and dung heaps. The ultimte worship--meaning INSULT--was to rub their dung on the idol's NOSE. Now, the MUSICAL INVADERS OR Lucusts love to RUB IT IN on those who can still SMELL the difference.

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Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 15:7
  • Hypocrites PRAY publically, GIVE publically. Ezekiel and the other PROPHETS made the same prophecy. ALL religious "performers" are identified in the Greek as HYPOCRITES and therefore PARASITES: don't FEED them
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Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses,
and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying,
Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Eze 33:30
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This people
  • draweth nigh unto me with their mouth,
  • and honoreth me with their lips ;
  • but their heart is far from me. 15:8
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My people come to you, as they usually do, and sit before you to listen to your words,
  • but they do not put them into practice.

With their mouths they express devotion (Lord, Lord as amorousness - inordinate love),
  • but their hearts are greedy for unjust gain (commerce or trade or attendance). Eze 33:31
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But in vain they do worship me
  • (Vain means tentative manipulation, unsuccessful search, or else of punishment); folly
  • <font color=red>That means that singers and players are pure vanity: no one is going to profit. Furthermore, God says that it is a MARK that you WILL NOT obey Him</font>
teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matt 15:9 </td><TD WIDTH=300>
Indeed, to them you are NOTHING MORE
  • than one who sings love songs with a beautiful voice

and [NOTHING MORE than one who]
  • plays (make melody on) an instrument well,

for they hear your words
  • but do not put them into practice. Eze 33:32
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Romans 15, Eph 5, Col 3 means TEACH [enDOCTRINATE] "that which is written."
That is why ALL musical concepts MARK VAIN religion. Zoe is Lucifer or the "beast" and the "female instructing principle."</td><TD WIDTH=300>
When all this comes true--and it surely will--then they will know that a prophet has been among them." Eze 33:33</td></tr></table>

Tithing and THE LAW OF GIVING is quite identical to THE LAW OF SINGING where they FORCE you to SING rather than TEACH, and they force the teachings of man--or more often of women--down your throat. There is ZERO difference between INSTRUMENTS to divert your attention from the word and probably-more anxiety-creating complex harmony with lots of screeching and hand waving. BOTH are necessary to PASS THE PLATE for those NOT DESTITUTE.

That makes YOU guilty of what Jesus has just condemned and Ezekiel and others prophesied through THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

Ken
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January 27th, 2005, 12:32 am #3

Garland M. Robinson in S.T.O.P. joins Madison in trying to restore the Law of Moses?

THE MADISON-LIKE FALSE JUDAIZING TEACHING
  • <font color=red>ROBBING GOD

    Mal 3:8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed rne. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."

    It is unbelievable, unthinkable, but people rob God. They rob Him of money, time, service, faithfulness. God issues a challenge for them to give. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10). </font>
First, the temple is the only HOUSE which was authorized to receive tithes and offerings. Because of the fatal musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai, God "turned them over to worship the starry host." (Stephen in Acts 7). The tribe of Levi became the substitutes for the God-ordained patriarchs through the first born son. This, of course, meant that they rejected God's rule thorugh His Living and Written Word. The tribe of Levi became the CIVIL wing of the nation which dominated the tribal or "congregational" nature of God's rule. They were to receive ONE TENTH of the FOOD--ONLY from those who had received FREE FARMS already set up and producing or those who purchased TRIBAL lands for a stated period after which it reverted to the Tribe. These tithes went to the tribe of Levi in an unrestricted way only TWO out of SEVEN years. Out of that RENT the tribe gave ONE TENTH to the priests. The priests were MEDIATORS to offer animal sacrifices which COULD NOT make the conscience clean.

Therefore, to LAY CLAIM to the tithe EVERY year from WAGES is to rob the WAGE EARNER and to REJECT the value of the sacrifice of Christ. Wage earners gave anything they wished but they OWED only those taxes laid on CIVIL or SECULAR trade such as import-export.

The priests and on-duty Levites got a free, daily dole of food ONLY when they were on duty at the temple and could not leave. If they wanted a new CHARIOT they did honest work like everyone else. Paul understood that all religious workers have a trade to "work or they shall not eat." The rest of the Tribe of Levi took care of what we would call CIVIL GOVERNMENT. The THRESHING OXEN got nibbles ONLY while it was threshing MY grain. Then, it left and I did not board it all winter.

THE MADISON-LIKE THREAT
  • <font color=red>I once had a good brother in the Iord reveal to me and lament the fact of the many years he wasted and robbed God before he became a Christian. He wished he had the time to go back and correct it. He would have become a Christian years before he did.

    But that time is gone. It cannot be relived.

    Remember how the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes in torment and desired relief of his suffering (Luke 16:23)? He learned it was too late for himself, so he sought desperately to warn his brothers because he knew they were headed to the same place. They could not be warned from beyond the grave. However, they were being warned, even then, by God's divine, inspired, Word. Every human being on the face of the earth is being warned today by God's living inspired Word. Why won't they listen? Why won't they take heed? Why do they continue to rob God of that which He is due? </font>
Modern Jews do not tithe--or I believe pass the plate--because there are NO JEWISH priests and Levites. Even then there is NO Temple and NO animal sacrifices for which a PRIESTLY CLASS must act as MEDIATORS. A kabutz tenant may pay rent but no honest Rabbi would threaten an American Jew with HADES for not TITHING. No Christian can do it without telling Jesus "your sacrifice DID NOT pay it all.' In Israel ONLY those involved in FOOD PROCESSING pay their tithe voluntarily: this is about 1% or what the PRIESTS once got and this is given to the poor or burned.
  • <font color=red>The church is authorized to take up a collection every first day of the week. Therefore, Christians are commanded to give on this day as they have been prospered (I Cor. 16:1-2). Our giving is to be done purposefully, cheerfully and not grudgingly (II Cor. 9:6-7). We give unto the Lord, not man. </font>
First, the Corinthians had learned about the FAMINE in Judea and were the first to VOLUNTEER to give. Now, perhaps a year later there had BEEN NO WEEKLY collections at "church." Paul said that he did not want any collections taken after he arrived--and he might remain with them over the winter or perhaps 3 months.

Next, Paul said LET EACH lay BY HIMSELF. Both grammatically and historically that meant that EACH should take something out of his FIRST WORK day which would be the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK and put it in his "thesaurus" or house bank. The world's scholarship has NOT DOUBT that this was NOT a LEGAL ACT OF WORSHIP which MUST be done in order to escape HADES. The early church DID NOT see this as proportional giving where wellfare ladies tithe their pittance: it meant that THOSE WHO PROSPERED were to give to THOSE WHO WERE DESTITUTE.

http://www.piney.com/LayByInStore.html

Paul does not want himself or them to be embarassed so he is nudging them to as a ONE TIME thing simply because THEY had volunteered and needed to keep their pledge.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

    2 Cor 8: 10 And herein I give my ADVICE: for this is expedient for you, who have BEGUN before, not only to do, but also to be FORWARD a YEAR AGO </font>
The TAX MAN does not send me an ADVICE BILL!

This would have been a good time for Paul to have accused them of ROBBING God because it is CLEAR that they had NOT been "laying by AT CHURCH on the Lord's day." We do know that they took care of the poor.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8: 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness [predisposition] to will, so there may be a performance also OUT of that WHICH ye HAVE.

    2 Cor 8: 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

    2 Cor 8: 13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: </font>
In the ninth chapter Paul wants them to now DO that one-time collection before he gets there or his presence would be like EXTORTION:
  • <font color=blue>2 Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up BEFOREHAND your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. </font>
Paul might be there three months so the URGENCY was to take care of this TOUCHY issue before he arrived so they WOULD NOT be threatened.

Covetousness is
  • <font color=blue>Plenoecia (g4124) pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; from 4123; avarice, i.e. (by impl.) fraudulency, extortion: - covetous (-ness) practices, greediness.

    PAUL'S PRESENCE would be an EXTORTING influence and that would be radically opposed to the idea of GOSPEL or "free water of the Word."

    1Co.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Co 9:5LIV So I have asked these other brothers to arrive ahead of me to see that the gift you promised is on hand and waiting. I want it to be a real gift and not look as if it were being given under PRESSURE</font>
It is pretty hard to think of more PRESSURE than frightening hard working people unable to buy health insurance than if they DO NOT do tithes AND offerings they will end up in HADES. A local preacher told a wellfare lady just that: "tithing is a law, break the law and you go to hell."

It simply cannot be a LAW or a COMMAND and still be a FREE GIFT. I willingly pay the IRS what I lawfully owe: I do NOT give them GIFTS.
  • <font color=red>Will we rob God of that which He is due? Are you robbing Him? </font>
Assuredly you ARE robbing God if you claim a TITHE of the WAGES of people. To be honest and true to the Bible you would HAVE to set a family up with a FREE farm or business and then charge them 10 percent of their INCREASE or income. In Egypt, Joseph charged 25% because he was LAYING BY in store the people's OWN food.

You rob God if you claim the role of MUSICAL Levite or SACRIFICIAL priest mediating between the AUDIENCE and GOD. The problem was within the CLERGY and Paul is NOT telling the local carpenter to pay a TITHE on his SALES PRICE of a new chair!
  • <font color=blue>AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1

    If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Malachi 2:2 </font>
http://www.piney.com/Malachi.2.html

It is a radically new thing for once-conservatives to claim the TITHE or to claim that Paul gave a LAW of GIVING. History knows this giving as ONLY for the poor or traveller. If one claiming even to be an apostle remained over two or three days they got him a JOB or free passage to the next town. People who laid claim to pay as MUSICIANS were tarred and feathered only they used honey and cotton. One might expect that FORCED TITHING is a sign of failure to involve the BODY. Musicians and RHETORICIANS were classed together because they PRODUCED nothing which advanced society.

These false teachings make it extremely hard to get people to be faithful to the Words of God for fear of being called a legalist.

Ken
In First Samuel chapter 8 has God PROMISING to lead the ELDERS and their FLOCKS into captivity and death because they FIRED Him and demanded the right to worship like the nations around them. One of the prophesies was that the KING hand-picked to carry out the death sentence would force the people to TITHE and take their youth to make INSTRUMENTS OF CHARIOTS which were musical. This was the MARK of a turn from a "congregation" of God's people to a COMMUNE just like all of the pagan kingdoms. Our next chart makes the connection. ANYONE who promotes MUSIC to suck in the seekers is terminally IGNORANT or terminally EVIL. No literate reader of the Word can find anything but CONDEMNATION of music as the MARK of those who repudiated the idea of a Holy Spirit God Who was and always will be The Spirit of Christ.
PSALM 106


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We have sinned with our fathers, we have committed iniquity, we have done wickedly. Psalm 106:6
Our fathers understood not thy wonders in Egypt; they remembered not the multitude of thy mercies; but provoked him at the sea, even at the Red sea. Psalm 106:7 Nevertheless he saved them for his names sake, that he might make his mighty power to be known. Psalm 106:8 He rebuked the Red sea also, and it was dried up: so he led them through the depths, as through the wilderness. Psalm 106:9 And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy. Psalm 106:10 And the waters covered their enemies:there was not one of them left. Psalm 106:11
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Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses,
and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying,

Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Eze 33:30
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Then believed they his words; they sang his praise. Psalm 106:12
  • They soon forgat his works; they waited not for his counsel: Psalm 106:13
    But LUSTED exceedingly in the wilderness, and tempted God in the desert. Psalm 106:14
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My people come to you, as they usually do, and sit before you to listen to your words,
  • but they do not put them into practice.

With their mouths they express devotion (Lord, Lord as amorousness - inordinate love),
  • but their hearts are greedy for unjust gain (commerce or trade or attendance). Eze 33:31
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And he gave them their request;
  • but sent leanness into their soul. Psalm 106:15
<font color=red>That means that singers and players are NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING. It is all AIR HEAD and no one is going to profit. Furthermore, God says that it is a MARK that you WILL NOT obey Him</font> </td><TD WIDTH=300>
Indeed, to them you are NOTHING MORE
  • than one who sings love songs (minstrel as a prostitute) with a beautiful voice

and [NOTHING MORE than one who]
  • plays (make melody on) an instrument well,

for they hear your words
  • but do not put them into practice. Eze 33:32
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They envied Moses also in the camp, and Aaron the saint of the Lord. Psalm 106:16
The earth opened and swallowed up Dathan, and covered the company of Abiram. Psalm 106:17
  • And a fire was kindled in their company; the flame burned up the wicked. Psalm 106:18
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When all this comes true--and it surely will--then they will know that a prophet has been among them." Eze 33:33.
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. Ezek 34:12
I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God. Ezek 34:15 </td></tr></table>
One of the themes of the Zoeites is LIGHTING THE FIRES. That theme is a popular theme even out of PROFESSORS. The claim that help comes FROM THE HILLS but God asked: "Shall we SEEK HELP from the mountain or hills gods?" Fools are easily fooled because they always look for a LEADER who matches their own doomed nature:

  • <font color=blue>"An interesting reference to idolatry and Moloch worship and their connection with demonism is found in Psalm 106:36, 37. The Hebrews are said to have 'mingled themselves with the nations... learned their works and served their idols... ye they sacrificed their sons and daughters unto demons... In fact, Manasseh's idolatries were the result of a gigantic outburst of demon-energized occultism. He is said to have practed augury, and used enchantment, and dealt with them that had familiar spirits (divining demons) and with wizards (those possessed of occult knowledge because under the control of a divining demon ) (II Kings 21:6; II Chron. 33:6)." (Unger, Merrill, Archaeology and the Old Testament, Zondervan, P. 279) </font>
Passing through the fire was in Topheth (hell) which had once been "the king's music grove" where Israel tried to get into the god's presence with music while their children were consumed as the meaning of CANAAN LAND. Click to See how God will pollute these people where MUSIC has no other meaning religiously than to play the flute, steal your inheritance, pollute or prostitute.

http://www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html

In the ancient literature MUSIC was not so much a CAUSE of people repudiating God and His Word "as it has been taught." Rather, it was often the MARK to identify those who had NO INTEREST God or His word. In Revelation they are separated out into TWO categories by the LOCUSTS who are Musical Performers in John's coded message. That is why when Abaddon or Apollyon's MUSES sting you with their scorpion tails you will ALMOST NEVER RECOVER because you REQUESTED the fatal blow where LOCUST and CYMBAL are often defined by the same Hebrew word.

Don't GIVE to Greek "scholars" ASKING for Gifts.

Ken
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January 28th, 2005, 2:35 am #4

Garland M. Robinson in S.T.O.P. joins Madison in trying to restore the Law of Moses?

THE MADISON-LIKE FALSE JUDAIZING TEACHING
  • <font color=red>ROBBING GOD

    Mal 3:8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed rne. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."

    It is unbelievable, unthinkable, but people rob God. They rob Him of money, time, service, faithfulness. God issues a challenge for them to give. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10). </font>
First, the temple is the only HOUSE which was authorized to receive tithes and offerings. Because of the fatal musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai, God "turned them over to worship the starry host." (Stephen in Acts 7). The tribe of Levi became the substitutes for the God-ordained patriarchs through the first born son. This, of course, meant that they rejected God's rule thorugh His Living and Written Word. The tribe of Levi became the CIVIL wing of the nation which dominated the tribal or "congregational" nature of God's rule. They were to receive ONE TENTH of the FOOD--ONLY from those who had received FREE FARMS already set up and producing or those who purchased TRIBAL lands for a stated period after which it reverted to the Tribe. These tithes went to the tribe of Levi in an unrestricted way only TWO out of SEVEN years. Out of that RENT the tribe gave ONE TENTH to the priests. The priests were MEDIATORS to offer animal sacrifices which COULD NOT make the conscience clean.

Therefore, to LAY CLAIM to the tithe EVERY year from WAGES is to rob the WAGE EARNER and to REJECT the value of the sacrifice of Christ. Wage earners gave anything they wished but they OWED only those taxes laid on CIVIL or SECULAR trade such as import-export.

The priests and on-duty Levites got a free, daily dole of food ONLY when they were on duty at the temple and could not leave. If they wanted a new CHARIOT they did honest work like everyone else. Paul understood that all religious workers have a trade to "work or they shall not eat." The rest of the Tribe of Levi took care of what we would call CIVIL GOVERNMENT. The THRESHING OXEN got nibbles ONLY while it was threshing MY grain. Then, it left and I did not board it all winter.

THE MADISON-LIKE THREAT
  • <font color=red>I once had a good brother in the Iord reveal to me and lament the fact of the many years he wasted and robbed God before he became a Christian. He wished he had the time to go back and correct it. He would have become a Christian years before he did.

    But that time is gone. It cannot be relived.

    Remember how the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes in torment and desired relief of his suffering (Luke 16:23)? He learned it was too late for himself, so he sought desperately to warn his brothers because he knew they were headed to the same place. They could not be warned from beyond the grave. However, they were being warned, even then, by God's divine, inspired, Word. Every human being on the face of the earth is being warned today by God's living inspired Word. Why won't they listen? Why won't they take heed? Why do they continue to rob God of that which He is due? </font>
Modern Jews do not tithe--or I believe pass the plate--because there are NO JEWISH priests and Levites. Even then there is NO Temple and NO animal sacrifices for which a PRIESTLY CLASS must act as MEDIATORS. A kabutz tenant may pay rent but no honest Rabbi would threaten an American Jew with HADES for not TITHING. No Christian can do it without telling Jesus "your sacrifice DID NOT pay it all.' In Israel ONLY those involved in FOOD PROCESSING pay their tithe voluntarily: this is about 1% or what the PRIESTS once got and this is given to the poor or burned.
  • <font color=red>The church is authorized to take up a collection every first day of the week. Therefore, Christians are commanded to give on this day as they have been prospered (I Cor. 16:1-2). Our giving is to be done purposefully, cheerfully and not grudgingly (II Cor. 9:6-7). We give unto the Lord, not man. </font>
First, the Corinthians had learned about the FAMINE in Judea and were the first to VOLUNTEER to give. Now, perhaps a year later there had BEEN NO WEEKLY collections at "church." Paul said that he did not want any collections taken after he arrived--and he might remain with them over the winter or perhaps 3 months.

Next, Paul said LET EACH lay BY HIMSELF. Both grammatically and historically that meant that EACH should take something out of his FIRST WORK day which would be the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK and put it in his "thesaurus" or house bank. The world's scholarship has NOT DOUBT that this was NOT a LEGAL ACT OF WORSHIP which MUST be done in order to escape HADES. The early church DID NOT see this as proportional giving where wellfare ladies tithe their pittance: it meant that THOSE WHO PROSPERED were to give to THOSE WHO WERE DESTITUTE.

http://www.piney.com/LayByInStore.html

Paul does not want himself or them to be embarassed so he is nudging them to as a ONE TIME thing simply because THEY had volunteered and needed to keep their pledge.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

    2 Cor 8: 10 And herein I give my ADVICE: for this is expedient for you, who have BEGUN before, not only to do, but also to be FORWARD a YEAR AGO </font>
The TAX MAN does not send me an ADVICE BILL!

This would have been a good time for Paul to have accused them of ROBBING God because it is CLEAR that they had NOT been "laying by AT CHURCH on the Lord's day." We do know that they took care of the poor.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8: 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness [predisposition] to will, so there may be a performance also OUT of that WHICH ye HAVE.

    2 Cor 8: 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

    2 Cor 8: 13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: </font>
In the ninth chapter Paul wants them to now DO that one-time collection before he gets there or his presence would be like EXTORTION:
  • <font color=blue>2 Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up BEFOREHAND your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. </font>
Paul might be there three months so the URGENCY was to take care of this TOUCHY issue before he arrived so they WOULD NOT be threatened.

Covetousness is
  • <font color=blue>Plenoecia (g4124) pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; from 4123; avarice, i.e. (by impl.) fraudulency, extortion: - covetous (-ness) practices, greediness.

    PAUL'S PRESENCE would be an EXTORTING influence and that would be radically opposed to the idea of GOSPEL or "free water of the Word."

    1Co.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Co 9:5LIV So I have asked these other brothers to arrive ahead of me to see that the gift you promised is on hand and waiting. I want it to be a real gift and not look as if it were being given under PRESSURE</font>
It is pretty hard to think of more PRESSURE than frightening hard working people unable to buy health insurance than if they DO NOT do tithes AND offerings they will end up in HADES. A local preacher told a wellfare lady just that: "tithing is a law, break the law and you go to hell."

It simply cannot be a LAW or a COMMAND and still be a FREE GIFT. I willingly pay the IRS what I lawfully owe: I do NOT give them GIFTS.
  • <font color=red>Will we rob God of that which He is due? Are you robbing Him? </font>
Assuredly you ARE robbing God if you claim a TITHE of the WAGES of people. To be honest and true to the Bible you would HAVE to set a family up with a FREE farm or business and then charge them 10 percent of their INCREASE or income. In Egypt, Joseph charged 25% because he was LAYING BY in store the people's OWN food.

You rob God if you claim the role of MUSICAL Levite or SACRIFICIAL priest mediating between the AUDIENCE and GOD. The problem was within the CLERGY and Paul is NOT telling the local carpenter to pay a TITHE on his SALES PRICE of a new chair!
  • <font color=blue>AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1

    If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Malachi 2:2 </font>
http://www.piney.com/Malachi.2.html

It is a radically new thing for once-conservatives to claim the TITHE or to claim that Paul gave a LAW of GIVING. History knows this giving as ONLY for the poor or traveller. If one claiming even to be an apostle remained over two or three days they got him a JOB or free passage to the next town. People who laid claim to pay as MUSICIANS were tarred and feathered only they used honey and cotton. One might expect that FORCED TITHING is a sign of failure to involve the BODY. Musicians and RHETORICIANS were classed together because they PRODUCED nothing which advanced society.

These false teachings make it extremely hard to get people to be faithful to the Words of God for fear of being called a legalist.

Ken
When Ezekiel says that a beautiful voice and well-played instruments are the MARK meaning NOTHING, he meant that music was purely entertainment for those whose minds could HOLD nothing. Furthermore, the PLAYING and LOVE songs strongly point to the fact that the people treated both God and Ezekiel exactly how they would treat musical performers who were prostitutes--male and female.

Job says about the same thing. Furthermore, Job proves the common knowledge that musical performance was always a part of ancient, legalistic and superstitious FERTILITY RITUALS. As long as their crops were good they could PROVE that their music and fertility rituals BROUGHT the good crop just like a RAIN DANCE which often involved sexuality and human sacrifices.

JOB

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Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power? Job 21:7
THEIR seed is established in their sight with them, and their offspring before their eyes. Job 21:8
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Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Eze 33:30 </td></tr><TR><TD VALIGN=top nowrap align=left WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=10>
THEIR houses are safe from fear, neither is the rod of God upon them. Job 21:9
THEIR bull gendereth, and faileth not; their cow calveth, and casteth not her calf. Job 21:10
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My people come to you, as they usually do, and sit before you to listen to your words, but they do not put them into practice. With their mouths they express devotion (Lord, Lord as amorousness - inordinate love), but their hearts are greedy for unjust gain (commerce or trade or attendance). Eze 33:31</td></tr><TR><TD WIDTH=300>
THEY send forth their little ones like a flock, and their children dance. Job 21:11
THEY take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ. Job 21:12
THEY spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave. Job 21:13</td><TD WIDTH=300>
Indeed, to them you are NOTHING MORE than one who sings love songs (minstrel as a prostitute) with a beautiful voice and [NOTHING MORE than one who] plays (make melody on) an instrument well, </td></tr><TR><TD WIDTH=300>
  • THEEFORE THEY say unto God, Depart from us; for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways. Job 21:14
  • What is the Almighty, that we should serve him?
  • and what profit should we have, if we pray unto him? Job 21:15
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for they hear your words
but do not put them into practice. Eze 33:32 </td></tr><TR><TD WIDTH=300>
Lord, THEIR good is not in THEIR hand:
  • the counsel of the wicked is far from me. Job 21:16
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When all this comes true--and it surely will--then they will know that a prophet has been among them." Eze 33:33</td></tr></table>
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January 28th, 2005, 4:49 pm #5

Garland M. Robinson in S.T.O.P. joins Madison in trying to restore the Law of Moses?

THE MADISON-LIKE FALSE JUDAIZING TEACHING
  • <font color=red>ROBBING GOD

    Mal 3:8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed rne. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."

    It is unbelievable, unthinkable, but people rob God. They rob Him of money, time, service, faithfulness. God issues a challenge for them to give. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10). </font>
First, the temple is the only HOUSE which was authorized to receive tithes and offerings. Because of the fatal musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai, God "turned them over to worship the starry host." (Stephen in Acts 7). The tribe of Levi became the substitutes for the God-ordained patriarchs through the first born son. This, of course, meant that they rejected God's rule thorugh His Living and Written Word. The tribe of Levi became the CIVIL wing of the nation which dominated the tribal or "congregational" nature of God's rule. They were to receive ONE TENTH of the FOOD--ONLY from those who had received FREE FARMS already set up and producing or those who purchased TRIBAL lands for a stated period after which it reverted to the Tribe. These tithes went to the tribe of Levi in an unrestricted way only TWO out of SEVEN years. Out of that RENT the tribe gave ONE TENTH to the priests. The priests were MEDIATORS to offer animal sacrifices which COULD NOT make the conscience clean.

Therefore, to LAY CLAIM to the tithe EVERY year from WAGES is to rob the WAGE EARNER and to REJECT the value of the sacrifice of Christ. Wage earners gave anything they wished but they OWED only those taxes laid on CIVIL or SECULAR trade such as import-export.

The priests and on-duty Levites got a free, daily dole of food ONLY when they were on duty at the temple and could not leave. If they wanted a new CHARIOT they did honest work like everyone else. Paul understood that all religious workers have a trade to "work or they shall not eat." The rest of the Tribe of Levi took care of what we would call CIVIL GOVERNMENT. The THRESHING OXEN got nibbles ONLY while it was threshing MY grain. Then, it left and I did not board it all winter.

THE MADISON-LIKE THREAT
  • <font color=red>I once had a good brother in the Iord reveal to me and lament the fact of the many years he wasted and robbed God before he became a Christian. He wished he had the time to go back and correct it. He would have become a Christian years before he did.

    But that time is gone. It cannot be relived.

    Remember how the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes in torment and desired relief of his suffering (Luke 16:23)? He learned it was too late for himself, so he sought desperately to warn his brothers because he knew they were headed to the same place. They could not be warned from beyond the grave. However, they were being warned, even then, by God's divine, inspired, Word. Every human being on the face of the earth is being warned today by God's living inspired Word. Why won't they listen? Why won't they take heed? Why do they continue to rob God of that which He is due? </font>
Modern Jews do not tithe--or I believe pass the plate--because there are NO JEWISH priests and Levites. Even then there is NO Temple and NO animal sacrifices for which a PRIESTLY CLASS must act as MEDIATORS. A kabutz tenant may pay rent but no honest Rabbi would threaten an American Jew with HADES for not TITHING. No Christian can do it without telling Jesus "your sacrifice DID NOT pay it all.' In Israel ONLY those involved in FOOD PROCESSING pay their tithe voluntarily: this is about 1% or what the PRIESTS once got and this is given to the poor or burned.
  • <font color=red>The church is authorized to take up a collection every first day of the week. Therefore, Christians are commanded to give on this day as they have been prospered (I Cor. 16:1-2). Our giving is to be done purposefully, cheerfully and not grudgingly (II Cor. 9:6-7). We give unto the Lord, not man. </font>
First, the Corinthians had learned about the FAMINE in Judea and were the first to VOLUNTEER to give. Now, perhaps a year later there had BEEN NO WEEKLY collections at "church." Paul said that he did not want any collections taken after he arrived--and he might remain with them over the winter or perhaps 3 months.

Next, Paul said LET EACH lay BY HIMSELF. Both grammatically and historically that meant that EACH should take something out of his FIRST WORK day which would be the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK and put it in his "thesaurus" or house bank. The world's scholarship has NOT DOUBT that this was NOT a LEGAL ACT OF WORSHIP which MUST be done in order to escape HADES. The early church DID NOT see this as proportional giving where wellfare ladies tithe their pittance: it meant that THOSE WHO PROSPERED were to give to THOSE WHO WERE DESTITUTE.

http://www.piney.com/LayByInStore.html

Paul does not want himself or them to be embarassed so he is nudging them to as a ONE TIME thing simply because THEY had volunteered and needed to keep their pledge.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

    2 Cor 8: 10 And herein I give my ADVICE: for this is expedient for you, who have BEGUN before, not only to do, but also to be FORWARD a YEAR AGO </font>
The TAX MAN does not send me an ADVICE BILL!

This would have been a good time for Paul to have accused them of ROBBING God because it is CLEAR that they had NOT been "laying by AT CHURCH on the Lord's day." We do know that they took care of the poor.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8: 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness [predisposition] to will, so there may be a performance also OUT of that WHICH ye HAVE.

    2 Cor 8: 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

    2 Cor 8: 13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: </font>
In the ninth chapter Paul wants them to now DO that one-time collection before he gets there or his presence would be like EXTORTION:
  • <font color=blue>2 Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up BEFOREHAND your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. </font>
Paul might be there three months so the URGENCY was to take care of this TOUCHY issue before he arrived so they WOULD NOT be threatened.

Covetousness is
  • <font color=blue>Plenoecia (g4124) pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; from 4123; avarice, i.e. (by impl.) fraudulency, extortion: - covetous (-ness) practices, greediness.

    PAUL'S PRESENCE would be an EXTORTING influence and that would be radically opposed to the idea of GOSPEL or "free water of the Word."

    1Co.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Co 9:5LIV So I have asked these other brothers to arrive ahead of me to see that the gift you promised is on hand and waiting. I want it to be a real gift and not look as if it were being given under PRESSURE</font>
It is pretty hard to think of more PRESSURE than frightening hard working people unable to buy health insurance than if they DO NOT do tithes AND offerings they will end up in HADES. A local preacher told a wellfare lady just that: "tithing is a law, break the law and you go to hell."

It simply cannot be a LAW or a COMMAND and still be a FREE GIFT. I willingly pay the IRS what I lawfully owe: I do NOT give them GIFTS.
  • <font color=red>Will we rob God of that which He is due? Are you robbing Him? </font>
Assuredly you ARE robbing God if you claim a TITHE of the WAGES of people. To be honest and true to the Bible you would HAVE to set a family up with a FREE farm or business and then charge them 10 percent of their INCREASE or income. In Egypt, Joseph charged 25% because he was LAYING BY in store the people's OWN food.

You rob God if you claim the role of MUSICAL Levite or SACRIFICIAL priest mediating between the AUDIENCE and GOD. The problem was within the CLERGY and Paul is NOT telling the local carpenter to pay a TITHE on his SALES PRICE of a new chair!
  • <font color=blue>AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1

    If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Malachi 2:2 </font>
http://www.piney.com/Malachi.2.html

It is a radically new thing for once-conservatives to claim the TITHE or to claim that Paul gave a LAW of GIVING. History knows this giving as ONLY for the poor or traveller. If one claiming even to be an apostle remained over two or three days they got him a JOB or free passage to the next town. People who laid claim to pay as MUSICIANS were tarred and feathered only they used honey and cotton. One might expect that FORCED TITHING is a sign of failure to involve the BODY. Musicians and RHETORICIANS were classed together because they PRODUCED nothing which advanced society.

These false teachings make it extremely hard to get people to be faithful to the Words of God for fear of being called a legalist.

Ken
The Spirit of God--and therefore THE Holy Spirit--would rest like lamps on the BRANCH or Messiah like the MENORAH in the Holy Place. These were tongues of fire resting on ONLY the Apostles and "guided them into all truth." In Isaiah 11 the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD are all related to forms of Spiritual knowledge. Only at baptism do we request (1 Peter 3:21) A good conscience or consiousness or "a co-perception" of the SPIRITS of God. The same Peter called the same Gift A holy spirit. When we submit our bodies to be washed [else you could not get into the Holy Place as a type of the church of Christ] God "sprinkles" our heart FROM an evil conscience. By analogy, God in Christ SWEEPS out the old demon spirits ALWAYS worshipped with sacrifices, music and usually sexual perversion. IF the elders utterly FAIL us by hiring a "prophet, chaneller or facilitator" from Atheist University they HINDER WORSHIP and CONFESS that they are filled with hot air:

<font color=red>Would a wise man answer with empty notions
  • or fill his belly with the hot east wind? Job 15:2
Would he argue with useless words,
  • with speeches that have no value?
But you even undermine piety
  • and hinder devotion to God. NIV
  • Yes, you do away with fear, and hinder devotion before God. WEB
    Yea, thou doest away with fear, And hinderest devotion before God. ASV
</font>
See how they are LIFTING UP THE LORD!

http://www.piney.com/worship1a.html

ISAIAH 5

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For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel,
and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment,
  • but behold oppression;
for righteousness,
  • but behold a cry. Isaiah 5:7
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Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses,
and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying,

Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Eze 33:30
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Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning,
  • that they may follow strong drink;
that continue until night,
  • till wine inflame them Isaiah 5: 11

In Amos we see that these were religious festivals where musicians performed IN the temple
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My people come to you, as they usually do, and sit before you to listen to your words,
  • but they do not put them into practice.

With their mouths they express devotion (Lord, Lord as amorousness - inordinate love),
  • but their hearts are greedy for unjust gain (commerce or trade or attendance). Eze 33:31
</td></tr><TR><TD WIDTH=300>THEY And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts:
  • but they regard not the work of the Lord,
  • neither consider the operation of his hands. Isaiah 5: 12

Therefore my people are gone into captivity,
  • BECAUSE <font color=red>they have NO KNOWLEDGE:</font>
  • and their honourable men are famished,
  • and their multitude dried up with thirst. Isaiah 5:13
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Indeed, to them you are NOTHING MORE
  • than one who sings love songs (minstrel as a prostitute) with a beautiful voice

and [NOTHING MORE than one who]
  • plays (make melody on) an instrument well,

for they hear your words
  • but do not put them into practice. Eze 33:32
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Therefore HELL hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure:
  • and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth,
  • shall descend into it. Isaiah 5: 14

Thy POMP [music!] is brought down to the graves,
  • and the noise of thy VIOLS: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms [maggots] cover thee. Is.14:11
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When all this comes true--and it surely will--then they will know that a prophet has been among them." Eze 33:33
Son of man, prophesy AGAINST the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the
  • shepherds of Israel that <font color=red>do feed themselves</font>
  • should not the shepherds <font color=red> FEED the flocks? </font>Eze 34:2
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HELL or Topheth is named after the TABRET or tambourine. It was once the King's MUSIC GROVE. That is where they CAST OUT the garbage and DUNG just as Jesus CAST OUT the musical ministrels from where He was doing His MINISTRY. The goal was to BURN the garbage--including the kings, harps and harpists--but the MAGGOTS often got to nibble. The Bible has this as a SYMBOL of a real hell where the HIGH AND MIGHTY are aware of one another and the KINGS musicians and instruments are JUST LIKE DUNG. God through Ezekiel PROPHESIED of modern PERFORMANCE WORSHIP and said SPECIFICIALLY of those who are sucked in as SEEKERS that, as at the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai where the PERFORMERS were really a LAUGHINGSTOCK, the performers are NOTHING.

The very best PARABLE the Holy God of the Universe could use of NOTHING was to compare the "mediating" PERFORMERS to TALENTED SINGERS AND GIFTED INSTRUMENT PLAYERS.

These are the ROTTING BONES in WHITED TOMBS! That is why those who ACCEPT WORSHIP will be CONSUMED ALIVE by WORMS--maggots. The PLAGUES in Revelation are defined as WEEPING SORES!

Paul made it CLEAR and a DIRECT COMMAND that the way to GLORIFY GOD in Romans 15 is to "speak that which is written." In Ephesiand 5 the SPIRIT [words of Christ John 6:63] is in Colossiand the WORD of Christ. Peter then tells us that the Prophets spoke by the SPIRIT OF CHRIST and Revelation says that the TESTIMONY is the Spirit of Christ.

You simply CANNOT escape the fact that speaking the COMMANDS OF MAN [the meaning of a Pharisee] can have no other motive but SEEING GODLINESS AS A MEANS OF FINANCIAL GAIN: that means profession. The Pharisees are OFTEN in the Greek resources LINKED with the word HYPOCRITE. The hypocrites were ACTORS or SINGERS who hallucinated that they STOOD IN THE HOLY PLACE claiming to MEDIATE and therefore claiming to BE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Those NAVITATED WINDS WILL BLOW YOU AWAY. Ken
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January 29th, 2005, 8:26 pm #6

Garland M. Robinson in S.T.O.P. joins Madison in trying to restore the Law of Moses?

THE MADISON-LIKE FALSE JUDAIZING TEACHING
  • <font color=red>ROBBING GOD

    Mal 3:8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed rne. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."

    It is unbelievable, unthinkable, but people rob God. They rob Him of money, time, service, faithfulness. God issues a challenge for them to give. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10). </font>
First, the temple is the only HOUSE which was authorized to receive tithes and offerings. Because of the fatal musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai, God "turned them over to worship the starry host." (Stephen in Acts 7). The tribe of Levi became the substitutes for the God-ordained patriarchs through the first born son. This, of course, meant that they rejected God's rule thorugh His Living and Written Word. The tribe of Levi became the CIVIL wing of the nation which dominated the tribal or "congregational" nature of God's rule. They were to receive ONE TENTH of the FOOD--ONLY from those who had received FREE FARMS already set up and producing or those who purchased TRIBAL lands for a stated period after which it reverted to the Tribe. These tithes went to the tribe of Levi in an unrestricted way only TWO out of SEVEN years. Out of that RENT the tribe gave ONE TENTH to the priests. The priests were MEDIATORS to offer animal sacrifices which COULD NOT make the conscience clean.

Therefore, to LAY CLAIM to the tithe EVERY year from WAGES is to rob the WAGE EARNER and to REJECT the value of the sacrifice of Christ. Wage earners gave anything they wished but they OWED only those taxes laid on CIVIL or SECULAR trade such as import-export.

The priests and on-duty Levites got a free, daily dole of food ONLY when they were on duty at the temple and could not leave. If they wanted a new CHARIOT they did honest work like everyone else. Paul understood that all religious workers have a trade to "work or they shall not eat." The rest of the Tribe of Levi took care of what we would call CIVIL GOVERNMENT. The THRESHING OXEN got nibbles ONLY while it was threshing MY grain. Then, it left and I did not board it all winter.

THE MADISON-LIKE THREAT
  • <font color=red>I once had a good brother in the Iord reveal to me and lament the fact of the many years he wasted and robbed God before he became a Christian. He wished he had the time to go back and correct it. He would have become a Christian years before he did.

    But that time is gone. It cannot be relived.

    Remember how the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes in torment and desired relief of his suffering (Luke 16:23)? He learned it was too late for himself, so he sought desperately to warn his brothers because he knew they were headed to the same place. They could not be warned from beyond the grave. However, they were being warned, even then, by God's divine, inspired, Word. Every human being on the face of the earth is being warned today by God's living inspired Word. Why won't they listen? Why won't they take heed? Why do they continue to rob God of that which He is due? </font>
Modern Jews do not tithe--or I believe pass the plate--because there are NO JEWISH priests and Levites. Even then there is NO Temple and NO animal sacrifices for which a PRIESTLY CLASS must act as MEDIATORS. A kabutz tenant may pay rent but no honest Rabbi would threaten an American Jew with HADES for not TITHING. No Christian can do it without telling Jesus "your sacrifice DID NOT pay it all.' In Israel ONLY those involved in FOOD PROCESSING pay their tithe voluntarily: this is about 1% or what the PRIESTS once got and this is given to the poor or burned.
  • <font color=red>The church is authorized to take up a collection every first day of the week. Therefore, Christians are commanded to give on this day as they have been prospered (I Cor. 16:1-2). Our giving is to be done purposefully, cheerfully and not grudgingly (II Cor. 9:6-7). We give unto the Lord, not man. </font>
First, the Corinthians had learned about the FAMINE in Judea and were the first to VOLUNTEER to give. Now, perhaps a year later there had BEEN NO WEEKLY collections at "church." Paul said that he did not want any collections taken after he arrived--and he might remain with them over the winter or perhaps 3 months.

Next, Paul said LET EACH lay BY HIMSELF. Both grammatically and historically that meant that EACH should take something out of his FIRST WORK day which would be the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK and put it in his "thesaurus" or house bank. The world's scholarship has NOT DOUBT that this was NOT a LEGAL ACT OF WORSHIP which MUST be done in order to escape HADES. The early church DID NOT see this as proportional giving where wellfare ladies tithe their pittance: it meant that THOSE WHO PROSPERED were to give to THOSE WHO WERE DESTITUTE.

http://www.piney.com/LayByInStore.html

Paul does not want himself or them to be embarassed so he is nudging them to as a ONE TIME thing simply because THEY had volunteered and needed to keep their pledge.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

    2 Cor 8: 10 And herein I give my ADVICE: for this is expedient for you, who have BEGUN before, not only to do, but also to be FORWARD a YEAR AGO </font>
The TAX MAN does not send me an ADVICE BILL!

This would have been a good time for Paul to have accused them of ROBBING God because it is CLEAR that they had NOT been "laying by AT CHURCH on the Lord's day." We do know that they took care of the poor.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8: 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness [predisposition] to will, so there may be a performance also OUT of that WHICH ye HAVE.

    2 Cor 8: 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

    2 Cor 8: 13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: </font>
In the ninth chapter Paul wants them to now DO that one-time collection before he gets there or his presence would be like EXTORTION:
  • <font color=blue>2 Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up BEFOREHAND your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. </font>
Paul might be there three months so the URGENCY was to take care of this TOUCHY issue before he arrived so they WOULD NOT be threatened.

Covetousness is
  • <font color=blue>Plenoecia (g4124) pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; from 4123; avarice, i.e. (by impl.) fraudulency, extortion: - covetous (-ness) practices, greediness.

    PAUL'S PRESENCE would be an EXTORTING influence and that would be radically opposed to the idea of GOSPEL or "free water of the Word."

    1Co.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Co 9:5LIV So I have asked these other brothers to arrive ahead of me to see that the gift you promised is on hand and waiting. I want it to be a real gift and not look as if it were being given under PRESSURE</font>
It is pretty hard to think of more PRESSURE than frightening hard working people unable to buy health insurance than if they DO NOT do tithes AND offerings they will end up in HADES. A local preacher told a wellfare lady just that: "tithing is a law, break the law and you go to hell."

It simply cannot be a LAW or a COMMAND and still be a FREE GIFT. I willingly pay the IRS what I lawfully owe: I do NOT give them GIFTS.
  • <font color=red>Will we rob God of that which He is due? Are you robbing Him? </font>
Assuredly you ARE robbing God if you claim a TITHE of the WAGES of people. To be honest and true to the Bible you would HAVE to set a family up with a FREE farm or business and then charge them 10 percent of their INCREASE or income. In Egypt, Joseph charged 25% because he was LAYING BY in store the people's OWN food.

You rob God if you claim the role of MUSICAL Levite or SACRIFICIAL priest mediating between the AUDIENCE and GOD. The problem was within the CLERGY and Paul is NOT telling the local carpenter to pay a TITHE on his SALES PRICE of a new chair!
  • <font color=blue>AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1

    If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Malachi 2:2 </font>
http://www.piney.com/Malachi.2.html

It is a radically new thing for once-conservatives to claim the TITHE or to claim that Paul gave a LAW of GIVING. History knows this giving as ONLY for the poor or traveller. If one claiming even to be an apostle remained over two or three days they got him a JOB or free passage to the next town. People who laid claim to pay as MUSICIANS were tarred and feathered only they used honey and cotton. One might expect that FORCED TITHING is a sign of failure to involve the BODY. Musicians and RHETORICIANS were classed together because they PRODUCED nothing which advanced society.

These false teachings make it extremely hard to get people to be faithful to the Words of God for fear of being called a legalist.

Ken
The king of Tyre is the personification of--if not literally indwelled--by Lucifer. The usual theme is that the MUSIC and INSTRUMENTS was the CAUSE of hungering and thirsting for the WORD so that the ENEMY took you captive.

Ezekiel also prophesied that the music and musicians of Tyre would be cast into sheol. It is not coincidental that forcing people to honor the theatrical performers rather than hearing God through His Word is often related to breaking down the walls to allow the enemy to come in and, perhaps, pick up some of the financial loot.

This is the same message as Revelation 18 and the end-time harlot religion. Religionism is likened to a CITY or nation because they are organized and run like commercial organizations while USING the name of God to seduce the people to steal their money. There is a real record of Wen Amun who went to this country to buy cedar. They took his money but used the EGYPTIAN SINGER to seduce him while they STOLE the cedar back. Their goal was to get him murdered on the way back to Egypt. Ezekiel speaking for God said that:

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They will plunder your wealth and
  • loot your merchandise;
  • they will break down your walls
  • and demolish your fine houses
  • and throw your stones, TIMBER and rubble into the sea. Ezek 26:12
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Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses,
and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying,
Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Eze 33:30
</td></tr><TR><TD VALIGN=top nowrap align=left WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=10>
I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music [sound] of your harps will be heard no more. Ezek 26:13
The LXX is more forceful in showing that both the music and the musicians would be silenced---
  • "And he shall destroy the multitude of thy musicians, and the sound of thy psalteries shall be heard no more." Ezek. 26:13 LXX
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My people come to you, as they usually do, and sit before you to listen to your words,
  • but they do not put them into practice.

With their mouths they express devotion (Lord, Lord as amorousness - inordinate love),
  • but their hearts are greedy for unjust gain (commerce or trade or attendance). Eze 33:31
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then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit,
  • to the people of long ago
  • I will make you dwell in the earth below,
  • as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the PIT,
  • and you will not return or take your place in the land of the living. Ezek 26:20
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Indeed, to them you are NOTHING MORE
  • than one who sings love songs with a beautiful voice

and [NOTHING MORE than one who]
  • plays (make melody on) an instrument well,

for they hear your words
  • but do not put them into practice. Eze 33:32
</td></tr><TR><TD WIDTH=300>I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more:
  • though thou be sought for,
  • yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord God. Ezek 26:21
</td><TD WIDTH=300>
When all this comes true--and it surely will--then they will know that a prophet has been among them." Eze 33:33</td></tr></table>
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February 6th, 2005, 5:33 pm #7

Garland M. Robinson in S.T.O.P. joins Madison in trying to restore the Law of Moses?

THE MADISON-LIKE FALSE JUDAIZING TEACHING
  • <font color=red>ROBBING GOD

    Mal 3:8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed rne. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."

    It is unbelievable, unthinkable, but people rob God. They rob Him of money, time, service, faithfulness. God issues a challenge for them to give. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10). </font>
First, the temple is the only HOUSE which was authorized to receive tithes and offerings. Because of the fatal musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai, God "turned them over to worship the starry host." (Stephen in Acts 7). The tribe of Levi became the substitutes for the God-ordained patriarchs through the first born son. This, of course, meant that they rejected God's rule thorugh His Living and Written Word. The tribe of Levi became the CIVIL wing of the nation which dominated the tribal or "congregational" nature of God's rule. They were to receive ONE TENTH of the FOOD--ONLY from those who had received FREE FARMS already set up and producing or those who purchased TRIBAL lands for a stated period after which it reverted to the Tribe. These tithes went to the tribe of Levi in an unrestricted way only TWO out of SEVEN years. Out of that RENT the tribe gave ONE TENTH to the priests. The priests were MEDIATORS to offer animal sacrifices which COULD NOT make the conscience clean.

Therefore, to LAY CLAIM to the tithe EVERY year from WAGES is to rob the WAGE EARNER and to REJECT the value of the sacrifice of Christ. Wage earners gave anything they wished but they OWED only those taxes laid on CIVIL or SECULAR trade such as import-export.

The priests and on-duty Levites got a free, daily dole of food ONLY when they were on duty at the temple and could not leave. If they wanted a new CHARIOT they did honest work like everyone else. Paul understood that all religious workers have a trade to "work or they shall not eat." The rest of the Tribe of Levi took care of what we would call CIVIL GOVERNMENT. The THRESHING OXEN got nibbles ONLY while it was threshing MY grain. Then, it left and I did not board it all winter.

THE MADISON-LIKE THREAT
  • <font color=red>I once had a good brother in the Iord reveal to me and lament the fact of the many years he wasted and robbed God before he became a Christian. He wished he had the time to go back and correct it. He would have become a Christian years before he did.

    But that time is gone. It cannot be relived.

    Remember how the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes in torment and desired relief of his suffering (Luke 16:23)? He learned it was too late for himself, so he sought desperately to warn his brothers because he knew they were headed to the same place. They could not be warned from beyond the grave. However, they were being warned, even then, by God's divine, inspired, Word. Every human being on the face of the earth is being warned today by God's living inspired Word. Why won't they listen? Why won't they take heed? Why do they continue to rob God of that which He is due? </font>
Modern Jews do not tithe--or I believe pass the plate--because there are NO JEWISH priests and Levites. Even then there is NO Temple and NO animal sacrifices for which a PRIESTLY CLASS must act as MEDIATORS. A kabutz tenant may pay rent but no honest Rabbi would threaten an American Jew with HADES for not TITHING. No Christian can do it without telling Jesus "your sacrifice DID NOT pay it all.' In Israel ONLY those involved in FOOD PROCESSING pay their tithe voluntarily: this is about 1% or what the PRIESTS once got and this is given to the poor or burned.
  • <font color=red>The church is authorized to take up a collection every first day of the week. Therefore, Christians are commanded to give on this day as they have been prospered (I Cor. 16:1-2). Our giving is to be done purposefully, cheerfully and not grudgingly (II Cor. 9:6-7). We give unto the Lord, not man. </font>
First, the Corinthians had learned about the FAMINE in Judea and were the first to VOLUNTEER to give. Now, perhaps a year later there had BEEN NO WEEKLY collections at "church." Paul said that he did not want any collections taken after he arrived--and he might remain with them over the winter or perhaps 3 months.

Next, Paul said LET EACH lay BY HIMSELF. Both grammatically and historically that meant that EACH should take something out of his FIRST WORK day which would be the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK and put it in his "thesaurus" or house bank. The world's scholarship has NOT DOUBT that this was NOT a LEGAL ACT OF WORSHIP which MUST be done in order to escape HADES. The early church DID NOT see this as proportional giving where wellfare ladies tithe their pittance: it meant that THOSE WHO PROSPERED were to give to THOSE WHO WERE DESTITUTE.

http://www.piney.com/LayByInStore.html

Paul does not want himself or them to be embarassed so he is nudging them to as a ONE TIME thing simply because THEY had volunteered and needed to keep their pledge.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

    2 Cor 8: 10 And herein I give my ADVICE: for this is expedient for you, who have BEGUN before, not only to do, but also to be FORWARD a YEAR AGO </font>
The TAX MAN does not send me an ADVICE BILL!

This would have been a good time for Paul to have accused them of ROBBING God because it is CLEAR that they had NOT been "laying by AT CHURCH on the Lord's day." We do know that they took care of the poor.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8: 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness [predisposition] to will, so there may be a performance also OUT of that WHICH ye HAVE.

    2 Cor 8: 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

    2 Cor 8: 13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: </font>
In the ninth chapter Paul wants them to now DO that one-time collection before he gets there or his presence would be like EXTORTION:
  • <font color=blue>2 Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up BEFOREHAND your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. </font>
Paul might be there three months so the URGENCY was to take care of this TOUCHY issue before he arrived so they WOULD NOT be threatened.

Covetousness is
  • <font color=blue>Plenoecia (g4124) pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; from 4123; avarice, i.e. (by impl.) fraudulency, extortion: - covetous (-ness) practices, greediness.

    PAUL'S PRESENCE would be an EXTORTING influence and that would be radically opposed to the idea of GOSPEL or "free water of the Word."

    1Co.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Co 9:5LIV So I have asked these other brothers to arrive ahead of me to see that the gift you promised is on hand and waiting. I want it to be a real gift and not look as if it were being given under PRESSURE</font>
It is pretty hard to think of more PRESSURE than frightening hard working people unable to buy health insurance than if they DO NOT do tithes AND offerings they will end up in HADES. A local preacher told a wellfare lady just that: "tithing is a law, break the law and you go to hell."

It simply cannot be a LAW or a COMMAND and still be a FREE GIFT. I willingly pay the IRS what I lawfully owe: I do NOT give them GIFTS.
  • <font color=red>Will we rob God of that which He is due? Are you robbing Him? </font>
Assuredly you ARE robbing God if you claim a TITHE of the WAGES of people. To be honest and true to the Bible you would HAVE to set a family up with a FREE farm or business and then charge them 10 percent of their INCREASE or income. In Egypt, Joseph charged 25% because he was LAYING BY in store the people's OWN food.

You rob God if you claim the role of MUSICAL Levite or SACRIFICIAL priest mediating between the AUDIENCE and GOD. The problem was within the CLERGY and Paul is NOT telling the local carpenter to pay a TITHE on his SALES PRICE of a new chair!
  • <font color=blue>AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1

    If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Malachi 2:2 </font>
http://www.piney.com/Malachi.2.html

It is a radically new thing for once-conservatives to claim the TITHE or to claim that Paul gave a LAW of GIVING. History knows this giving as ONLY for the poor or traveller. If one claiming even to be an apostle remained over two or three days they got him a JOB or free passage to the next town. People who laid claim to pay as MUSICIANS were tarred and feathered only they used honey and cotton. One might expect that FORCED TITHING is a sign of failure to involve the BODY. Musicians and RHETORICIANS were classed together because they PRODUCED nothing which advanced society.

These false teachings make it extremely hard to get people to be faithful to the Words of God for fear of being called a legalist.

Ken
I will keep posting GOD'S universal negative PATTERNISM about MUSIC in a religious sense. It always carries a COMMERCIAL sense and that is why you see the restoration of the TITHE or the LAW OF GIVING along with the Craftsmen. The craftsmen such as Tubal-Cain were called a KORESH [as in David Koresh.] They were the HAMMERERS who could sharpen your bronze axe or spear point. Some scholars believe this to be the first fabricators of the trumpet or flute which was much like a serpent especially the copper-throated Cobra:

<font color=blue>Nachash (h5175) naw-khawsh'; from 5172; a snake (from its hiss): - serpent. </font>

If you cannot SEE what literally floods the Bible from Genesis to Revelation then you need to begin all over and see whether you are yet a believer. If you JUST DON'T CARE then you are right where Jubal and family as the Babylonian-Greek etc, Geni were when they FEEL sucker to Satan's musical temptation and could NEVER get up. The BRASS of Satan's musical instruments also means FETTERS!

The Nachash was NOT a snake but an enchanter just as the OPHIS (from sOPHISts) in the book of Revelation is an ENCHANTER both in sound and sight: they make you sick but you cannot keep your eyes offf them. That is why you pay $80,000.00 for a "song leader." The "scribe" is either reading off or writing "tunes" which for ages have been played on the anvil.



<font color=blue>Nachuwsh (h5153) naw-khoosh'; appar. pass. part. of 5172 (perh. in the sense of ringing, i. e. bell-metal; or from the red color of the throat of a serpent [5175, as denom.] when hissing); coppery, i. e. (fig.) hard: - of brass. </font>




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THE SINGING-HARPING PROSTITUTE
They will plunder your wealth and
  • loot your merchandise;
  • they will break down your walls
  • and demolish your fine houses
  • and throw your stones, TIMBER and rubble into the sea. Ezek 26:12

<font color=red>[Of Lucifer in king or Tyre] Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze.28:13</font> </td><TD VALIGN=top nowrap align=left WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=5>
THE BABYLONIAN WHORE
How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Rev 18:7
And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. Rev 18:14
And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls Rev 18:16
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Rev 18:21
</td></tr><TR><TD VALIGN=top nowrap align=left WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=10>
I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music [sound] of your harps will be heard no more. Ezek 26:13
<font color=red>The LXX is more forceful in showing that both the music and the musicians would be silenced--
  • "And he shall destroy the multitude of thy musicians, and the sound of thy psalteries shall be heard no more." Ezek. 26:13 LXX
</font> </td><TD VALIGN=top nowrap align=left WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=10>
And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee;
and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22
<font color=red>Craftsman or "techne" is highly focused on "theater builders and stage managers" and includes singers and players.</font></td></tr><TR><TD WIDTH=300>
then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit,
  • to the people of long ago
  • I will make you dwell in the earth below,
  • as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the PIT,
  • and you will not return or take your place in the land of the living. Ezek 26:20
</td><TD WIDTH=300>
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee:
  • for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;
  • or by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev 18:23

<font color=red>"sing" includes "to enchant." so singers, musicians and performance speakers practiced "sorcery" and were therefore called parasites</font> </td></tr><TR><TD WIDTH=300>I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more:
  • though thou be sought for,
  • yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord God. Ezek 26:21
</td><TD WIDTH=300>
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Rev 18:24
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Rev 18:2 </td></tr></table>
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Kenneth Sublett

February 7th, 2005, 3:08 am #8

Garland M. Robinson in S.T.O.P. joins Madison in trying to restore the Law of Moses?

THE MADISON-LIKE FALSE JUDAIZING TEACHING
  • <font color=red>ROBBING GOD

    Mal 3:8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed rne. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."

    It is unbelievable, unthinkable, but people rob God. They rob Him of money, time, service, faithfulness. God issues a challenge for them to give. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10). </font>
First, the temple is the only HOUSE which was authorized to receive tithes and offerings. Because of the fatal musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai, God "turned them over to worship the starry host." (Stephen in Acts 7). The tribe of Levi became the substitutes for the God-ordained patriarchs through the first born son. This, of course, meant that they rejected God's rule thorugh His Living and Written Word. The tribe of Levi became the CIVIL wing of the nation which dominated the tribal or "congregational" nature of God's rule. They were to receive ONE TENTH of the FOOD--ONLY from those who had received FREE FARMS already set up and producing or those who purchased TRIBAL lands for a stated period after which it reverted to the Tribe. These tithes went to the tribe of Levi in an unrestricted way only TWO out of SEVEN years. Out of that RENT the tribe gave ONE TENTH to the priests. The priests were MEDIATORS to offer animal sacrifices which COULD NOT make the conscience clean.

Therefore, to LAY CLAIM to the tithe EVERY year from WAGES is to rob the WAGE EARNER and to REJECT the value of the sacrifice of Christ. Wage earners gave anything they wished but they OWED only those taxes laid on CIVIL or SECULAR trade such as import-export.

The priests and on-duty Levites got a free, daily dole of food ONLY when they were on duty at the temple and could not leave. If they wanted a new CHARIOT they did honest work like everyone else. Paul understood that all religious workers have a trade to "work or they shall not eat." The rest of the Tribe of Levi took care of what we would call CIVIL GOVERNMENT. The THRESHING OXEN got nibbles ONLY while it was threshing MY grain. Then, it left and I did not board it all winter.

THE MADISON-LIKE THREAT
  • <font color=red>I once had a good brother in the Iord reveal to me and lament the fact of the many years he wasted and robbed God before he became a Christian. He wished he had the time to go back and correct it. He would have become a Christian years before he did.

    But that time is gone. It cannot be relived.

    Remember how the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes in torment and desired relief of his suffering (Luke 16:23)? He learned it was too late for himself, so he sought desperately to warn his brothers because he knew they were headed to the same place. They could not be warned from beyond the grave. However, they were being warned, even then, by God's divine, inspired, Word. Every human being on the face of the earth is being warned today by God's living inspired Word. Why won't they listen? Why won't they take heed? Why do they continue to rob God of that which He is due? </font>
Modern Jews do not tithe--or I believe pass the plate--because there are NO JEWISH priests and Levites. Even then there is NO Temple and NO animal sacrifices for which a PRIESTLY CLASS must act as MEDIATORS. A kabutz tenant may pay rent but no honest Rabbi would threaten an American Jew with HADES for not TITHING. No Christian can do it without telling Jesus "your sacrifice DID NOT pay it all.' In Israel ONLY those involved in FOOD PROCESSING pay their tithe voluntarily: this is about 1% or what the PRIESTS once got and this is given to the poor or burned.
  • <font color=red>The church is authorized to take up a collection every first day of the week. Therefore, Christians are commanded to give on this day as they have been prospered (I Cor. 16:1-2). Our giving is to be done purposefully, cheerfully and not grudgingly (II Cor. 9:6-7). We give unto the Lord, not man. </font>
First, the Corinthians had learned about the FAMINE in Judea and were the first to VOLUNTEER to give. Now, perhaps a year later there had BEEN NO WEEKLY collections at "church." Paul said that he did not want any collections taken after he arrived--and he might remain with them over the winter or perhaps 3 months.

Next, Paul said LET EACH lay BY HIMSELF. Both grammatically and historically that meant that EACH should take something out of his FIRST WORK day which would be the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK and put it in his "thesaurus" or house bank. The world's scholarship has NOT DOUBT that this was NOT a LEGAL ACT OF WORSHIP which MUST be done in order to escape HADES. The early church DID NOT see this as proportional giving where wellfare ladies tithe their pittance: it meant that THOSE WHO PROSPERED were to give to THOSE WHO WERE DESTITUTE.

http://www.piney.com/LayByInStore.html

Paul does not want himself or them to be embarassed so he is nudging them to as a ONE TIME thing simply because THEY had volunteered and needed to keep their pledge.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

    2 Cor 8: 10 And herein I give my ADVICE: for this is expedient for you, who have BEGUN before, not only to do, but also to be FORWARD a YEAR AGO </font>
The TAX MAN does not send me an ADVICE BILL!

This would have been a good time for Paul to have accused them of ROBBING God because it is CLEAR that they had NOT been "laying by AT CHURCH on the Lord's day." We do know that they took care of the poor.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8: 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness [predisposition] to will, so there may be a performance also OUT of that WHICH ye HAVE.

    2 Cor 8: 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

    2 Cor 8: 13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: </font>
In the ninth chapter Paul wants them to now DO that one-time collection before he gets there or his presence would be like EXTORTION:
  • <font color=blue>2 Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up BEFOREHAND your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. </font>
Paul might be there three months so the URGENCY was to take care of this TOUCHY issue before he arrived so they WOULD NOT be threatened.

Covetousness is
  • <font color=blue>Plenoecia (g4124) pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; from 4123; avarice, i.e. (by impl.) fraudulency, extortion: - covetous (-ness) practices, greediness.

    PAUL'S PRESENCE would be an EXTORTING influence and that would be radically opposed to the idea of GOSPEL or "free water of the Word."

    1Co.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Co 9:5LIV So I have asked these other brothers to arrive ahead of me to see that the gift you promised is on hand and waiting. I want it to be a real gift and not look as if it were being given under PRESSURE</font>
It is pretty hard to think of more PRESSURE than frightening hard working people unable to buy health insurance than if they DO NOT do tithes AND offerings they will end up in HADES. A local preacher told a wellfare lady just that: "tithing is a law, break the law and you go to hell."

It simply cannot be a LAW or a COMMAND and still be a FREE GIFT. I willingly pay the IRS what I lawfully owe: I do NOT give them GIFTS.
  • <font color=red>Will we rob God of that which He is due? Are you robbing Him? </font>
Assuredly you ARE robbing God if you claim a TITHE of the WAGES of people. To be honest and true to the Bible you would HAVE to set a family up with a FREE farm or business and then charge them 10 percent of their INCREASE or income. In Egypt, Joseph charged 25% because he was LAYING BY in store the people's OWN food.

You rob God if you claim the role of MUSICAL Levite or SACRIFICIAL priest mediating between the AUDIENCE and GOD. The problem was within the CLERGY and Paul is NOT telling the local carpenter to pay a TITHE on his SALES PRICE of a new chair!
  • <font color=blue>AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1

    If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Malachi 2:2 </font>
http://www.piney.com/Malachi.2.html

It is a radically new thing for once-conservatives to claim the TITHE or to claim that Paul gave a LAW of GIVING. History knows this giving as ONLY for the poor or traveller. If one claiming even to be an apostle remained over two or three days they got him a JOB or free passage to the next town. People who laid claim to pay as MUSICIANS were tarred and feathered only they used honey and cotton. One might expect that FORCED TITHING is a sign of failure to involve the BODY. Musicians and RHETORICIANS were classed together because they PRODUCED nothing which advanced society.

These false teachings make it extremely hard to get people to be faithful to the Words of God for fear of being called a legalist.

Ken
Don't miss Dr. Crump's review: you will discover that the PRO-instrumentalists had nothing much to say. That is because THEY invented the notion that PSALLO actually "commanded" instruments AFTER they became musical SECTARIANS and had to defend themselves in 1878. After meeting N. B. Hardeman this silly argument lay dormant. However, men like Tom Burgess and A. Ralph Johnson and many of YOUR false preachers and their disciples have become the leading hate mongers against what they call <font color=red>ANTI</font>-instrumental churches of Christ. This term is used like the word RACA. These men FUEL many of the pretend-preachers who do not have the MORAL or ETHICAL foundation to keep them from using lies to deliberately sow discord. In the process an effeminate or worse "new style worship" ritual has emerged which makes regular people shudder and flee.

Tom Burgess grasps up lots of ancient literature but in the process 100% of the time APPEALS for authority from records of PERVERTED males or prostitutes including Alexander the Great:
  • <font color=red>"These Greek authors were contemporaneous with the Apostles and the church fathers. If psallo changed so that it s sole meaning when the New Testament was written was vocal music (Cf, the claim of Kurfees in Example 1), then these writers will establish that fact, We have heard for over fifty years that they do establish that fact, I submit approximately twenty photocopies from nearly a dozen authors whose writings indicate that the instrument was not taken out of psallo or its related forms"</font>
In example 60 Burgess should remember that Plutarch wrote of Pericles who lived 495 BC--429 in Athens. That is B.P. or Before Paul. Men like Plutarch who wrote for the "intellectual" elite knew that PSALLO never changed its ATTIC meaning which was to PLUCK and never meant to PLAY MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS to accompany congregational singing in ANY LANGUAGE or ANY PERIOD:
  • <font color=red>Tom Burgess: "Examples 60 and 61 have been obtained from the writings of Plutarch. Plutarch's use of the word psallo is of great value and worth because he lived and wrote during the same period as did the Apostles (46-120A. D. ). His books, Parallel Lives of Illustrious Greeks and Romans and Moralia, are a great credit to Greek literature. Plutarch's use of psallo shows, without a doubt, that he knew nothing of any drastic change in the word which extracted the musical instrument from it s definition.
    • Three times in example 60 he uses a form of psallo. These have been translated: "plucked the strings, " "to pluck the strings, " and" pluck the strings," In example 61another form is translated "harpplayer, "
    </font>
Psallo means PLUCK and is derived from a word meaning "to TOUCH or grind into a fine powder." The word SOP is from the same base. In the garden, Eve slipped up and preachers didn't catch her so that Eve or Zoe is the new "female instructing principle." She slipped and said that they were not to TOUCH that tree--and don't forget that Ezekiel tells us that the Assyrians were the "tallest trees in Eden." Touch means;
  • <font color=blue>Naga (h5060) naw-gah'; a prim. root; prop. to touch, i. e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by impl. to reach (fig. to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.): - beat, (* be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch. </font>
And the next word down the list is a Hebrew word like PSALLO used by Farmer's Branch, etal for A PROOF-TEXT.
  • <font color=blue>Nagan (h5059) naw-gan'; a prim. root; prop. to thrum, i. e. BEAT a tune with the FINGERS; espec. to play on a stringed instrument; hence (gen.) to make music: - player on instruments, sing to the stringed instruments, melody, ministrel, play (-er, -ing.. </font>
If Alexander PLUCKED the strings then these words mean PLUCK and do not mean SING. Alexander was a CHARMING PLUCKER and he intended to PLUCK young boys, but you can PLUCK strings and NOT make music. If Plutarch had said psêlanta we would not have a HINT unless he told us that HARP or LYRE strings were to be PLUCKED. In fact, plucking or twanging often defined a TUNED PERCUSSION instrument so you BEAT OUT a rhythm with your FINGERS but NEVER with a plectrum. In fact, CHARMINGLY or TECHNICALLY meant that each string had ONE finger dedicated to it: you did not mix up your string fingers. That is why a technically PLUCKED lyre cannot be played with a plectrum or guitar pick. God put that in just for the guitarISTS who were not permitted membership in the church of Christ according to documents in a.d. 205 unless they repented.

But, Paul used both SING and PLUCK. Sing means sing and psallo means--according to many examples--to pluck the heart strings as you SHOOT FORTH HYMNS which are defined by Paul's use of a word which CANNOT be misunderstood: SPEAK or TEACH or ADMONISH. I have made a table to see both the GREEK and ENGLISH in the AUTHORITY people are using JUST TODAY to lie, cheat and steal the church houses of weeping widows whom they are DIVERTING to another track:



Someone is running OUT OF TIME to repent for all of the horror and the sectarianism of ceremonial legalism. If they are just ignorant then they should find an honest job. They still have stolen HOARDS of money writing stuff built on ignorance or bald faced lies. If they are not ignorant then why should YOU let them lead you into a ditch for their own fun, self-worship and profit? I believe that church history knows of no more "seemingly-supernatural" fall from GRACE by so many people hustling for a living and RIDING on the Whore of Babylon. This time, the great inquisition can steal your money and body BUT they intend to steal your SOULS. Sure, Judas probably didn't know that Jesus would INDUCE the spirit of Satan when he hand-ground and fed him the SOP which is from the same base as PSALLO. Music, I am convinced, was the MARK used by Satan to infuse a great outbreak of end-time DEMONISM.

Ken
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February 7th, 2005, 8:57 pm #9

Garland M. Robinson in S.T.O.P. joins Madison in trying to restore the Law of Moses?

THE MADISON-LIKE FALSE JUDAIZING TEACHING
  • <font color=red>ROBBING GOD

    Mal 3:8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed rne. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."

    It is unbelievable, unthinkable, but people rob God. They rob Him of money, time, service, faithfulness. God issues a challenge for them to give. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10). </font>
First, the temple is the only HOUSE which was authorized to receive tithes and offerings. Because of the fatal musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai, God "turned them over to worship the starry host." (Stephen in Acts 7). The tribe of Levi became the substitutes for the God-ordained patriarchs through the first born son. This, of course, meant that they rejected God's rule thorugh His Living and Written Word. The tribe of Levi became the CIVIL wing of the nation which dominated the tribal or "congregational" nature of God's rule. They were to receive ONE TENTH of the FOOD--ONLY from those who had received FREE FARMS already set up and producing or those who purchased TRIBAL lands for a stated period after which it reverted to the Tribe. These tithes went to the tribe of Levi in an unrestricted way only TWO out of SEVEN years. Out of that RENT the tribe gave ONE TENTH to the priests. The priests were MEDIATORS to offer animal sacrifices which COULD NOT make the conscience clean.

Therefore, to LAY CLAIM to the tithe EVERY year from WAGES is to rob the WAGE EARNER and to REJECT the value of the sacrifice of Christ. Wage earners gave anything they wished but they OWED only those taxes laid on CIVIL or SECULAR trade such as import-export.

The priests and on-duty Levites got a free, daily dole of food ONLY when they were on duty at the temple and could not leave. If they wanted a new CHARIOT they did honest work like everyone else. Paul understood that all religious workers have a trade to "work or they shall not eat." The rest of the Tribe of Levi took care of what we would call CIVIL GOVERNMENT. The THRESHING OXEN got nibbles ONLY while it was threshing MY grain. Then, it left and I did not board it all winter.

THE MADISON-LIKE THREAT
  • <font color=red>I once had a good brother in the Iord reveal to me and lament the fact of the many years he wasted and robbed God before he became a Christian. He wished he had the time to go back and correct it. He would have become a Christian years before he did.

    But that time is gone. It cannot be relived.

    Remember how the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes in torment and desired relief of his suffering (Luke 16:23)? He learned it was too late for himself, so he sought desperately to warn his brothers because he knew they were headed to the same place. They could not be warned from beyond the grave. However, they were being warned, even then, by God's divine, inspired, Word. Every human being on the face of the earth is being warned today by God's living inspired Word. Why won't they listen? Why won't they take heed? Why do they continue to rob God of that which He is due? </font>
Modern Jews do not tithe--or I believe pass the plate--because there are NO JEWISH priests and Levites. Even then there is NO Temple and NO animal sacrifices for which a PRIESTLY CLASS must act as MEDIATORS. A kabutz tenant may pay rent but no honest Rabbi would threaten an American Jew with HADES for not TITHING. No Christian can do it without telling Jesus "your sacrifice DID NOT pay it all.' In Israel ONLY those involved in FOOD PROCESSING pay their tithe voluntarily: this is about 1% or what the PRIESTS once got and this is given to the poor or burned.
  • <font color=red>The church is authorized to take up a collection every first day of the week. Therefore, Christians are commanded to give on this day as they have been prospered (I Cor. 16:1-2). Our giving is to be done purposefully, cheerfully and not grudgingly (II Cor. 9:6-7). We give unto the Lord, not man. </font>
First, the Corinthians had learned about the FAMINE in Judea and were the first to VOLUNTEER to give. Now, perhaps a year later there had BEEN NO WEEKLY collections at "church." Paul said that he did not want any collections taken after he arrived--and he might remain with them over the winter or perhaps 3 months.

Next, Paul said LET EACH lay BY HIMSELF. Both grammatically and historically that meant that EACH should take something out of his FIRST WORK day which would be the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK and put it in his "thesaurus" or house bank. The world's scholarship has NOT DOUBT that this was NOT a LEGAL ACT OF WORSHIP which MUST be done in order to escape HADES. The early church DID NOT see this as proportional giving where wellfare ladies tithe their pittance: it meant that THOSE WHO PROSPERED were to give to THOSE WHO WERE DESTITUTE.

http://www.piney.com/LayByInStore.html

Paul does not want himself or them to be embarassed so he is nudging them to as a ONE TIME thing simply because THEY had volunteered and needed to keep their pledge.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

    2 Cor 8: 10 And herein I give my ADVICE: for this is expedient for you, who have BEGUN before, not only to do, but also to be FORWARD a YEAR AGO </font>
The TAX MAN does not send me an ADVICE BILL!

This would have been a good time for Paul to have accused them of ROBBING God because it is CLEAR that they had NOT been "laying by AT CHURCH on the Lord's day." We do know that they took care of the poor.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8: 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness [predisposition] to will, so there may be a performance also OUT of that WHICH ye HAVE.

    2 Cor 8: 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

    2 Cor 8: 13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: </font>
In the ninth chapter Paul wants them to now DO that one-time collection before he gets there or his presence would be like EXTORTION:
  • <font color=blue>2 Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up BEFOREHAND your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. </font>
Paul might be there three months so the URGENCY was to take care of this TOUCHY issue before he arrived so they WOULD NOT be threatened.

Covetousness is
  • <font color=blue>Plenoecia (g4124) pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; from 4123; avarice, i.e. (by impl.) fraudulency, extortion: - covetous (-ness) practices, greediness.

    PAUL'S PRESENCE would be an EXTORTING influence and that would be radically opposed to the idea of GOSPEL or "free water of the Word."

    1Co.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Co 9:5LIV So I have asked these other brothers to arrive ahead of me to see that the gift you promised is on hand and waiting. I want it to be a real gift and not look as if it were being given under PRESSURE</font>
It is pretty hard to think of more PRESSURE than frightening hard working people unable to buy health insurance than if they DO NOT do tithes AND offerings they will end up in HADES. A local preacher told a wellfare lady just that: "tithing is a law, break the law and you go to hell."

It simply cannot be a LAW or a COMMAND and still be a FREE GIFT. I willingly pay the IRS what I lawfully owe: I do NOT give them GIFTS.
  • <font color=red>Will we rob God of that which He is due? Are you robbing Him? </font>
Assuredly you ARE robbing God if you claim a TITHE of the WAGES of people. To be honest and true to the Bible you would HAVE to set a family up with a FREE farm or business and then charge them 10 percent of their INCREASE or income. In Egypt, Joseph charged 25% because he was LAYING BY in store the people's OWN food.

You rob God if you claim the role of MUSICAL Levite or SACRIFICIAL priest mediating between the AUDIENCE and GOD. The problem was within the CLERGY and Paul is NOT telling the local carpenter to pay a TITHE on his SALES PRICE of a new chair!
  • <font color=blue>AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1

    If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Malachi 2:2 </font>
http://www.piney.com/Malachi.2.html

It is a radically new thing for once-conservatives to claim the TITHE or to claim that Paul gave a LAW of GIVING. History knows this giving as ONLY for the poor or traveller. If one claiming even to be an apostle remained over two or three days they got him a JOB or free passage to the next town. People who laid claim to pay as MUSICIANS were tarred and feathered only they used honey and cotton. One might expect that FORCED TITHING is a sign of failure to involve the BODY. Musicians and RHETORICIANS were classed together because they PRODUCED nothing which advanced society.

These false teachings make it extremely hard to get people to be faithful to the Words of God for fear of being called a legalist.

Ken

Howling is from the Hebrew word:
  • <font color=blue>Yalal (h3213) yaw-lal'; a prim. root; to howl (with a wailing tone) or yell (with a boisterous one): - (make to) howl, be howling.Howl, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are spoiled: howl, O ye oaks of BASHAN; for the forest of the vintage is come down. Zec.11:2 </font>
The fir is not just a TREE but:
  • <font color=blue> Berowsh (h1265) ber-osh'; of uncert. der.; a cypress (?) tree; hence a LANCE or a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT (as made of that wood): - fir (tree).

    And David and all the house of Israel played before the Lord on all manner of instruments made of FIR wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals. 2 Sam 6:5 </font>
These instruments were NEVER permitted in the Holy Place as a carnal type of the body or church of Christ. Much less would they be permitted in the Most Holy Place where we go as into our 'closet' to worship God in silence and darkness ONE AT A TIME. David's instruments were used for Levitical SERVICE which means HARD BONDAGE and not for collective worship. Israel used them as part of the musical worship which began at Mount Sinai and therefore were lost beyond redemption.

Cain is derived from a word meaning "a musical note" and
  • <font color=blue> Qayin (h7013) kah'-yin; from 6969 in the orig. sense of fixity; a lance as STRIKING fast): - spear.

    Quwn (h6969) koon; a prim. root; to STRIKE a musical note, i. e. chant or wail (at a funeral): - lament, mourning woman. </font>
Consistent with the evil religious and military use of "music" all musical terms and names of instruments stem from Satan or other evil or vile meanings. For instance, in the MELODY after which false teachers LUST to fill the collection plates and SILENCE the Word, one can either PLUCK a bow string or PLUCK a harp string; one can SHOOT a real or "love" arrow or SHOOT out hymns which, if not Biblical teaching, carry the meaning of enchantment.

The Jewish Encyclopedia makes it clear that when Paul said SPEAK he meant in the style of cantillation. When Paul said "that which was written" we know that people understood it to be the Biblical Text. It is totally irrational to project our views of HARMONY (which is not melody) backward and Retranslate the Bible. Rather, God used "speaking" words which we distort to mean "musical" because the GOAL was not entertainment but edification which means education: teach that which has been taught.
  • <font color=blue> What Western peoples understand by harmony is still incomprehensible to the Arabs. They consider it "a wild and unpleasant noise, in which no sensible person can take pleasure." Niebuhr refers to the fact that when Arabs play on different instruments and sing at the same time, almost the same melody is heard from all.

    the absence of instruments from the synagogue in no way modified the system of the song itself. This presented little that to modern ears would appear worthy the name of melody, being, like the Greek melodies which have been deciphered, entirely of the character of a cantillation; that is, a recitation dependent on the rhythm and sequence of the words of the text INSTEAD OF on the notes of the tune, and influenced by the syntactical structure of the sentence instead of by the metrical form of the musical phrase.</font>
I can tell you that a HUGE population which has been driven into some form of ANXIETY of which "church" is probably the most professional MANUFACTURER, hears the once-beautiful choral singing as SCREECHING and SCREAMING and it induces the urge to go take a nap on the foyer couch. We hear it as "spiritual" because, as Hitler taught Goebels, "if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it." That is absolutely consistent with the universal understanding that the pagans and prostitutes USED music in order to drive you into a form of momentary insanity.

From Eve's seduction into using the TOUCH word of the 'tree" to the return of the Babylon Whore and her "musicians" back into Hell seemingly about now, the Bible has left NO EXCUSE for anyone to even imagine that MUSIC was intended for collective WORSHIP. There is NO EXCEPTION to the rule that the Bible associates music with intentionally trying to SILENCE THE WORD OF GOD. The "noise" by the Levitical Warrior musicians called HARD BONDAGE was not a legalistic PATTERNISM for Christian worship; it was the RESULT or PENALTY for refusing to hear the WORD at Mount Sinai. God does not fuss but shakes the dust off pretty easily: their one-time fall into musical idolatry was seen by Him as their prayer to continue paganism and He simply TURNED THEM OVER to worship the starry host.

I invite anyone to FIND me an example of music as having an ETHOS so powerful that it justifies all of the lying and deliberate sowing of discord while following a BLUEPRINT of maligning those who refuse to either BOW or BURN. If you are an ENABLER of an evil attack on peacable people by following the law of TITHING or the LAW OF GIVING God will count you in as a blind person who, while not being evil, simply has no place in the the internal and eternal kingdom.

Ken
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February 9th, 2005, 1:50 am #10

Garland M. Robinson in S.T.O.P. joins Madison in trying to restore the Law of Moses?

THE MADISON-LIKE FALSE JUDAIZING TEACHING
  • <font color=red>ROBBING GOD

    Mal 3:8: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed rne. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings."

    It is unbelievable, unthinkable, but people rob God. They rob Him of money, time, service, faithfulness. God issues a challenge for them to give. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in MINE HOUSE, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Mal. 3:10). </font>
First, the temple is the only HOUSE which was authorized to receive tithes and offerings. Because of the fatal musical idolatry of the trinity at Mount Sinai, God "turned them over to worship the starry host." (Stephen in Acts 7). The tribe of Levi became the substitutes for the God-ordained patriarchs through the first born son. This, of course, meant that they rejected God's rule thorugh His Living and Written Word. The tribe of Levi became the CIVIL wing of the nation which dominated the tribal or "congregational" nature of God's rule. They were to receive ONE TENTH of the FOOD--ONLY from those who had received FREE FARMS already set up and producing or those who purchased TRIBAL lands for a stated period after which it reverted to the Tribe. These tithes went to the tribe of Levi in an unrestricted way only TWO out of SEVEN years. Out of that RENT the tribe gave ONE TENTH to the priests. The priests were MEDIATORS to offer animal sacrifices which COULD NOT make the conscience clean.

Therefore, to LAY CLAIM to the tithe EVERY year from WAGES is to rob the WAGE EARNER and to REJECT the value of the sacrifice of Christ. Wage earners gave anything they wished but they OWED only those taxes laid on CIVIL or SECULAR trade such as import-export.

The priests and on-duty Levites got a free, daily dole of food ONLY when they were on duty at the temple and could not leave. If they wanted a new CHARIOT they did honest work like everyone else. Paul understood that all religious workers have a trade to "work or they shall not eat." The rest of the Tribe of Levi took care of what we would call CIVIL GOVERNMENT. The THRESHING OXEN got nibbles ONLY while it was threshing MY grain. Then, it left and I did not board it all winter.

THE MADISON-LIKE THREAT
  • <font color=red>I once had a good brother in the Iord reveal to me and lament the fact of the many years he wasted and robbed God before he became a Christian. He wished he had the time to go back and correct it. He would have become a Christian years before he did.

    But that time is gone. It cannot be relived.

    Remember how the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes in torment and desired relief of his suffering (Luke 16:23)? He learned it was too late for himself, so he sought desperately to warn his brothers because he knew they were headed to the same place. They could not be warned from beyond the grave. However, they were being warned, even then, by God's divine, inspired, Word. Every human being on the face of the earth is being warned today by God's living inspired Word. Why won't they listen? Why won't they take heed? Why do they continue to rob God of that which He is due? </font>
Modern Jews do not tithe--or I believe pass the plate--because there are NO JEWISH priests and Levites. Even then there is NO Temple and NO animal sacrifices for which a PRIESTLY CLASS must act as MEDIATORS. A kabutz tenant may pay rent but no honest Rabbi would threaten an American Jew with HADES for not TITHING. No Christian can do it without telling Jesus "your sacrifice DID NOT pay it all.' In Israel ONLY those involved in FOOD PROCESSING pay their tithe voluntarily: this is about 1% or what the PRIESTS once got and this is given to the poor or burned.
  • <font color=red>The church is authorized to take up a collection every first day of the week. Therefore, Christians are commanded to give on this day as they have been prospered (I Cor. 16:1-2). Our giving is to be done purposefully, cheerfully and not grudgingly (II Cor. 9:6-7). We give unto the Lord, not man. </font>
First, the Corinthians had learned about the FAMINE in Judea and were the first to VOLUNTEER to give. Now, perhaps a year later there had BEEN NO WEEKLY collections at "church." Paul said that he did not want any collections taken after he arrived--and he might remain with them over the winter or perhaps 3 months.

Next, Paul said LET EACH lay BY HIMSELF. Both grammatically and historically that meant that EACH should take something out of his FIRST WORK day which would be the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK and put it in his "thesaurus" or house bank. The world's scholarship has NOT DOUBT that this was NOT a LEGAL ACT OF WORSHIP which MUST be done in order to escape HADES. The early church DID NOT see this as proportional giving where wellfare ladies tithe their pittance: it meant that THOSE WHO PROSPERED were to give to THOSE WHO WERE DESTITUTE.

http://www.piney.com/LayByInStore.html

Paul does not want himself or them to be embarassed so he is nudging them to as a ONE TIME thing simply because THEY had volunteered and needed to keep their pledge.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

    2 Cor 8: 10 And herein I give my ADVICE: for this is expedient for you, who have BEGUN before, not only to do, but also to be FORWARD a YEAR AGO </font>
The TAX MAN does not send me an ADVICE BILL!

This would have been a good time for Paul to have accused them of ROBBING God because it is CLEAR that they had NOT been "laying by AT CHURCH on the Lord's day." We do know that they took care of the poor.
  • <font color=blue>2 Cor 8: 11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness [predisposition] to will, so there may be a performance also OUT of that WHICH ye HAVE.

    2 Cor 8: 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

    2 Cor 8: 13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: </font>
In the ninth chapter Paul wants them to now DO that one-time collection before he gets there or his presence would be like EXTORTION:
  • <font color=blue>2 Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up BEFOREHAND your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. </font>
Paul might be there three months so the URGENCY was to take care of this TOUCHY issue before he arrived so they WOULD NOT be threatened.

Covetousness is
  • <font color=blue>Plenoecia (g4124) pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah; from 4123; avarice, i.e. (by impl.) fraudulency, extortion: - covetous (-ness) practices, greediness.

    PAUL'S PRESENCE would be an EXTORTING influence and that would be radically opposed to the idea of GOSPEL or "free water of the Word."

    1Co.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2 Co 9:5LIV So I have asked these other brothers to arrive ahead of me to see that the gift you promised is on hand and waiting. I want it to be a real gift and not look as if it were being given under PRESSURE</font>
It is pretty hard to think of more PRESSURE than frightening hard working people unable to buy health insurance than if they DO NOT do tithes AND offerings they will end up in HADES. A local preacher told a wellfare lady just that: "tithing is a law, break the law and you go to hell."

It simply cannot be a LAW or a COMMAND and still be a FREE GIFT. I willingly pay the IRS what I lawfully owe: I do NOT give them GIFTS.
  • <font color=red>Will we rob God of that which He is due? Are you robbing Him? </font>
Assuredly you ARE robbing God if you claim a TITHE of the WAGES of people. To be honest and true to the Bible you would HAVE to set a family up with a FREE farm or business and then charge them 10 percent of their INCREASE or income. In Egypt, Joseph charged 25% because he was LAYING BY in store the people's OWN food.

You rob God if you claim the role of MUSICAL Levite or SACRIFICIAL priest mediating between the AUDIENCE and GOD. The problem was within the CLERGY and Paul is NOT telling the local carpenter to pay a TITHE on his SALES PRICE of a new chair!
  • <font color=blue>AND now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. Malachi 2:1

    If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Malachi 2:2 </font>
http://www.piney.com/Malachi.2.html

It is a radically new thing for once-conservatives to claim the TITHE or to claim that Paul gave a LAW of GIVING. History knows this giving as ONLY for the poor or traveller. If one claiming even to be an apostle remained over two or three days they got him a JOB or free passage to the next town. People who laid claim to pay as MUSICIANS were tarred and feathered only they used honey and cotton. One might expect that FORCED TITHING is a sign of failure to involve the BODY. Musicians and RHETORICIANS were classed together because they PRODUCED nothing which advanced society.

These false teachings make it extremely hard to get people to be faithful to the Words of God for fear of being called a legalist.

Ken
Have you noticed that the Liberty Bell is cracked. It gives out an UNCERTAIN sound:
I once stood in a back hall and gently patted the Liberty Bell. It sounds sick. While standing there, the bell in the tower began to peal out loud and clear. The hair stood up on the back of my neck and I felt transported to the time when the nation needed a CLEAR tone and they CRACKED it wide open. I suddenly knew that Christ died to give us LIBERTY from ceremonial legalism which was usually musical and ALWAYS polluted as indeed the Hebrew word defining Lucifer CAST out of heaven and the POLLUTION of the Sabbath when Israel rose up to PLAY in musical idolatry at Mount Sinai makes clear. This is why Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels as one EJECTS DUNG.

If you will notice carefully, those moving from LEGALISM TO LIBERTY are really bringing people under bondage to CEREMONIAL LEGALISM. They believe that THEIR liberty TRUMPS your liberty. They are really moving from LIBERTY TO LEGALISM and just cannot HEAR the cracked tone:
  • <font color=blue>These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 2 Peter 2:17

    For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 2 Peter 2:18

    While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 2 Peter 2:19

    For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2 Peter 2:20

    For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment DELIVERED unto them. 2 Peter 2:21

    But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [catamite] is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 2 Peter 2:22 </font>
We are told that women normally PERFORMED musically and otherwise. However, for a male to both play and sing in the festivls which were always religious he had to be perverted or DRUNK. That is the meaning of these two musicl performers below. Sure, getting sick drunk was their PROOF that the gods were INSPIRING them so that their talent was believed to be FROM THE GODS.
Music is one of the oldest, most ignorant, most superstitious views that they could make SOUNDS which resonated with a human's carnal nature and CLAIM that the gods were speaking. H. Bamford Parks in Of Gods and Men identifies this as THE OLDEST profession. Freedom in Christ does not give anyone the right to IMPOSE their ignorant superstition on others and THEN demand a SALARY. This MARKED all false prophets in any nation.

We keep searching for the meaning of MUSIC in any nation at any time which DOES NOT tell God that "we" have the liberty to be FREE from you. They are really ding dongs. Don't pay them! ALL of this was written for our LEARNING which is the ONLY meaning of CHURCH. Those TAKING LIBERTY to impose their "idolatry of talent" will puke on you.

LUST means an intense LONGING FOR THAT WHICH IS FORBIDDEN. The Liberty Lobby has a problem with some authority figure.

Ken
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