This Site Is Like A Buzzard

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July 3rd, 2011, 8:09 am #31

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]This passage will explain the "none-other-than" confusion:[/color]
  • [16] For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
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  • [17] And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
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  • [18] For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
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  • [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
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  • [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Do you see the word "ONLY" in both underscored expressions? Of course, not, but the implication is clearly that:

(1) It is not DIET PEPSI;
(2) It is not "the old testament in the blood of bulls and goats."
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

July 3rd, 2011, 2:13 pm #32

"As it stands, Jesus limited our worship music ONLY TO SINGING."


Jesus did not say "ONLY TO SINGING". William added that.
Anonymous (Dave) wrote: "Jesus did not say 'ONLY TO SINGING[.'] William added that."

Well now, if Jesus did not limit our Christian worship music "only to singing," then surely He specified OTHER types of music to use. Of course, we know that He through Paul specified only singing and nothing else. Why gamble and assume that other kinds of music would please Him, when He didn't specify them? Since we know that it is a sin to add to, take from, or in any way change something that Jesus has already authorized, then Jesus did indeed limit our worship music ONLY TO SINGING. I only stated what should be quite obvious except to those who are bent on overriding Jesus and following their own personal desires by adding IM.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

July 3rd, 2011, 2:35 pm #33

I honestly cannot believe that you all hold yourselves to be men of Christ and the Christian faith. You all have such hateful, sarcastic and SINFUL attitudes toward one another. If a non-believer is watching so-called CHRISTIANS act this way, why in the world would he want to be converted to the Christian faith?! I say "so-called Christians" because none of you are conducting yourselves in a CHRIST-like manner with a CHRIST-like attitude! For the "good elders" who seem to think that THEY must be the ones sitting at the right-hand of the Father, yes, there were times when it was necessary for Jesus to admonish the brethren for their wrong-doings, mis-steps, etc but He NEVER, NEVER did so with a SINful attitude but ONLY with and out of LOVE and COMPASSION for their souls who were in danger of hell's fire. Your sarcasm isn't lost on anyone, but your Christ-like brotherly love was apparently lost long ago and I fear you are in DIRE need of finding it dear brothers!

My 9 and 6 year olds argue almost incessantly but TRUST ME.....NEVER as CHILDISHLY as you all! This is a pure embarrassment to the Christian faith and all who proclaim it!

By the way, just for the record, we can sing "Happy Birthday" or "What a Friend We Have in Jesus" or "When the Roll is Called Up Yonder" or "When We All Get to Heaven" or WHATEVER as many times as we want to until we are blue in the face IN church, OUT of church or wherever we are but NONE of that will get us to heaven!

We will NOT go to heaven because we kept a set of rules standing behind a pulpit but because we have been washed in the blood of the lamb who lived a sinless life and died for our sins so that we TOO could live a sinless life.

Only AFTER we have turned our lives over to HIM and allowed HIM to make us a NEW creation will we inherit eternal life. You can keep all the rules you want, but rules won't save you, only Jesus can. That new creation I mentioned will start to look more and more like Him every day and less and less like the world every day. It's very hard for me to imagine Jesus sarcastically chastising His disciples and having a sinful attitude. It's impossible....He didn't!!

There IS coming a day of judgement where we will stand before Him to give an account of the deeds done in this body(that includes the words spoken)(Rev 20:12, Matt 25:31-32). No one, NO ONE will stand before Him on the day of judgement and "argue their case" with Him. It's not about philosophy or doctrine or our OPINION of how WE interpreted HIS word.

People think that just because they are "a good person" or keeping a set of rules, etc that they are going to make it or will somehow be able to convince God that "well so and so did it" but they will be surprised to find that the standard will not be our creeds, manuals, religious rituals, wisdom, morality, comparative excellency, honesty, sincerity, nor feelings. We will be judged by the Lord and His Word (Jno. 12:48). He ALONE is the judge!

Please take a moment and pray and really ask yourself if this REALLY does ANYTHING to EDIFY the church or has it just become an excuse and vehicle to tear one another down? (Eph 4:11-16)
It looks like CSEM (another alphabet poster*) is not a happy camper.

Apparently CSEM doesn't like "rules." If you don't obey Jesus in all things, He won't save you. Jesus does have specific requirements for salvation; if you don't faithfully and willingly obey them, you're lost. There's a thread here that addresses Jesus' requirements for salvation. You would do well to read those requirements.

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*alphabet poster: a poster who hides his/her identity behind initials, abbreviations, or acronyms. Source: Dr. Crump

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Dave
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July 3rd, 2011, 8:30 pm #34

Most Christian websites reference the Bible and provide aids for using and understanding it. This particular Church of Christ site does not try to help people grow in their faith. It attempts to destroy faith and unity and goodwill. It degrades people. Dehumanizes people. Demonizes people. It does not respect people nor their ideas and beliefs. It does not speak truth in love. Contributors are arrogant and rude. You cannot outpuke a buzzard. Most of what Fred reads here is "the leaders" religious puke. Then they return to it again and again. The Bible mentions fools returning to their vomit.

Fred Whaley
Anonymous, Scott, etc., you can forget about trying for real reasoning here at concerned. These men believe their interpretations to be on par with Paul and certainly divine. They care not for the Truth, only what they like.
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July 3rd, 2011, 11:58 pm #35

Most Christian websites reference the Bible and provide aids for using and understanding it. This particular Church of Christ site does not try to help people grow in their faith. It attempts to destroy faith and unity and goodwill. It degrades people. Dehumanizes people. Demonizes people. It does not respect people nor their ideas and beliefs. It does not speak truth in love. Contributors are arrogant and rude. You cannot outpuke a buzzard. Most of what Fred reads here is "the leaders" religious puke. Then they return to it again and again. The Bible mentions fools returning to their vomit.

Fred Whaley
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

In this day and age, politics/government and religion have something in common.

(1) Speaking of politics or the government, there is the U.S. Constitution with its design and purpose (federal and states' power and functions, individual rights, etc.), being attacked, disrespected, and distorted by forces of socialism, Marxism, progressivism, liberalism. Extremists want it abolished.

(2) In religion, there is the truth, God's Word, whereby there is provision for one outside of Christ to become God's child; provisions, principles and directives for those in the church for Christian living. The church is being attacked, intruded upon, divided by forces within. Prominent in this effort is a group of "brethren" [a.k.a. the CHANGE AGENTS] who are counterparts of the progressive, liberal elements in the political arena. They seek to neutralize the church and its distinctiveness so that the body of Christ is no different from denominational religious bodies founded by men and WOMEN [Mary Baker Eddy, Helen G. White--Dave should become familiar with these founders]. They seek to compromise the truth so that the teachings and doctrines that we believe in and that are found in the New Testament are no different from the erroneous teachings of Protestantism, Catholicism, and other isms.

One of your problems, Dave, is that you have failed miserably in recognizing the risks and dangers that the church of the Lord Jesus Christ is facing. Or, you've remained blindfolded. The change agents operating in the brotherhood, just like the liberals and progressives in the political world, are the ones who are attempting to discredit the true nature of the Lord's body, by proclaiming to the whole universe that the church of Christ Jesus is just "another denomination" among denominations, and that the denominations of this world (Protestant, Catholic, and whatever else) ultimately COMPRISE the BODY OF CHRIST.

Dave, as a result of the above problem, you've created another problem for YOURSELF ALONE--that you have come to attack this website, whose objective is to defend the truth and to warn peaceful congregations of the risks and dangers of the Change Movement that the change agents have very warmly embraced.

And you should be aware by now that a few congregations of the 40,000-congregation strong body of believers worldwide have succumbed, because of misleadership, to the "gospel of church improvisation" by/through culture-driven methodologies and schemes. These few "converted" congregations have either become Community Churches or are now affiliated with the Christian Church denomination.

Open your eyes, Dave. You are barking up the wrong tree. The issue here has nothing to do with a brother committing sin against another brother in the local congregation--as you have persistently and stubbornly broadcast. That's the major fallacy in your premise.

Rather, the issue here has to do with the change agents going AGAINST the church that belongs to its founder, the Lord Jesus Christ. The change agents MUST STOP insulting and belittling Christ, MUST STOP degrading His church, and MUST STOP compromising the truth that Christ with His apostles have taught His disciples and followers.

How difficult is that for YOU to comprehend?[/color]
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July 4th, 2011, 1:40 pm #36

Anonymous (Dave) wrote: "Jesus did not say 'ONLY TO SINGING[.'] William added that."

Well now, if Jesus did not limit our Christian worship music "only to singing," then surely He specified OTHER types of music to use. Of course, we know that He through Paul specified only singing and nothing else. Why gamble and assume that other kinds of music would please Him, when He didn't specify them? Since we know that it is a sin to add to, take from, or in any way change something that Jesus has already authorized, then Jesus did indeed limit our worship music ONLY TO SINGING. I only stated what should be quite obvious except to those who are bent on overriding Jesus and following their own personal desires by adding IM.

Hey Bill, by your logic we are saved by "faith only".

King James Bible
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:



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July 4th, 2011, 5:36 pm #37

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

In this day and age, politics/government and religion have something in common.

(1) Speaking of politics or the government, there is the U.S. Constitution with its design and purpose (federal and states' power and functions, individual rights, etc.), being attacked, disrespected, and distorted by forces of socialism, Marxism, progressivism, liberalism. Extremists want it abolished.

(2) In religion, there is the truth, God's Word, whereby there is provision for one outside of Christ to become God's child; provisions, principles and directives for those in the church for Christian living. The church is being attacked, intruded upon, divided by forces within. Prominent in this effort is a group of "brethren" [a.k.a. the CHANGE AGENTS] who are counterparts of the progressive, liberal elements in the political arena. They seek to neutralize the church and its distinctiveness so that the body of Christ is no different from denominational religious bodies founded by men and WOMEN [Mary Baker Eddy, Helen G. White--Dave should become familiar with these founders]. They seek to compromise the truth so that the teachings and doctrines that we believe in and that are found in the New Testament are no different from the erroneous teachings of Protestantism, Catholicism, and other isms.

One of your problems, Dave, is that you have failed miserably in recognizing the risks and dangers that the church of the Lord Jesus Christ is facing. Or, you've remained blindfolded. The change agents operating in the brotherhood, just like the liberals and progressives in the political world, are the ones who are attempting to discredit the true nature of the Lord's body, by proclaiming to the whole universe that the church of Christ Jesus is just "another denomination" among denominations, and that the denominations of this world (Protestant, Catholic, and whatever else) ultimately COMPRISE the BODY OF CHRIST.

Dave, as a result of the above problem, you've created another problem for YOURSELF ALONE--that you have come to attack this website, whose objective is to defend the truth and to warn peaceful congregations of the risks and dangers of the Change Movement that the change agents have very warmly embraced.

And you should be aware by now that a few congregations of the 40,000-congregation strong body of believers worldwide have succumbed, because of misleadership, to the "gospel of church improvisation" by/through culture-driven methodologies and schemes. These few "converted" congregations have either become Community Churches or are now affiliated with the Christian Church denomination.

Open your eyes, Dave. You are barking up the wrong tree. The issue here has nothing to do with a brother committing sin against another brother in the local congregation--as you have persistently and stubbornly broadcast. That's the major fallacy in your premise.

Rather, the issue here has to do with the change agents going AGAINST the church that belongs to its founder, the Lord Jesus Christ. The change agents MUST STOP insulting and belittling Christ, MUST STOP degrading His church, and MUST STOP compromising the truth that Christ with His apostles have taught His disciples and followers.

How difficult is that for YOU to comprehend?[/color]
I have added some reading room to CSEM's post.

And I offer this up as a praise song: you will have to repeat it ten times with some space for polyrhymic handclapping.

"Oh..... Dare to be a buzzard dddddd
Brave and strong and true uuuuu
Oh....Dare to be a buzzzz uuu rrr dddd
Jus like.....u... you uuuuu
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Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 6:45 am

July 4th, 2011, 5:38 pm #38


Hey Bill, by your logic we are saved by "faith only".

King James Bible
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The "fruit of the vine" is not accompanied by soda.

Also, faith WITHOUT works is dead (James 2).

The word "only" does not have to be present when the implication is clearly "none other than."[/color]
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

July 4th, 2011, 6:29 pm #39


Hey Bill, by your logic we are saved by "faith only".

King James Bible
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


If a person has faith, s/he will obey all that Jesus said for them to do to be saved. Having faith is just ONE requirement for salvation. You shpuld know that from having read the thread about Jesus' requirements for salvation.
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July 4th, 2011, 7:30 pm #40

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The "fruit of the vine" is not accompanied by soda.

Also, faith WITHOUT works is dead (James 2).

The word "only" does not have to be present when the implication is clearly "none other than."[/color]
If you must go outside to another Bible reference please consider Psalms 150. You know God never ever changed His mind! If you believe that the Psalms are inspired you have to to believe it! Why don't you believe it? Because you just can't accept it. It's time, Donnie and Bill Crump, to face the truth.

Cut your ears on!

http://www.kingjamesbibles.com/psalms_150.html

http://www.kingjamesbibles.com/2_timothy_3.html

2TIM 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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