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November 17th, 2013, 9:39 pm #11

This seems to capture the Civil-Military-Clergy Complex:

So the Clergy become part of the Civil-Military Complex through instrumental music, by which they cloud the minds of would-be Christ followers to depart from the spiritual to the carnal.

The uncompromised Word of God should be sought by Christian student, but they can be deceived to adopt the role of Clergy by their compromise with the Civil-Military Complex. This compromise promotes a full-blown Civil-Military-Clergy Complex, which is hard to unseat in power.

The power of instrumental music is shown in its association with the military, to shatter the nerves of the enemy, and to exude power psychologically. In the same way, it is used to discomfit the student of the Word of God, so that many churches adopt the Civil-Military role of the church, by which they shun the spiritual design and goals of the church.

With a full blown Civil-Military-Clergy Complex, the church is melded into the government, as well as a multitude of false doctrines. The Written Word of God is forsaken so that the church loses any leverage to change a nonspiritual society.

The exaltation King David was underwrote by a CMC Complex in a graduation of stages--beginning with the necessity of coercive law because the people engraved the golden calf, and continuing to the rejection of God through adoption of the Kingship. The only thing to continue to prop up this civilian power was the kingship and taxation itself. The undoing of the CMC Complex was the complete collapse of morality by which the CMC Complex was thrown into absolute destruction in the Babylonian captivity.

It was in the depths of this captivity that Judaism realized that the CMC Complex must be completely rejected, and that through suffering and service (and rejection of CMC Complex) the Savior was to arise. He would make all follower students of the Word.

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November 17th, 2013, 10:05 pm #12

Yes, I remember: the date 2003 is a date which will live in infamy when you began the effort to expel me. And, yet, here I am still quoting Scripture which you still cannot understand.

You missed Elder101a which commands that you "teach that which has been taught in the Prophets and Apostles, which was validated by Jesus of Nazareth and left "for our learning" in those explained Prophets.

Both Jesus and the Apostles radically repudiate the Civil - Military - Clergy complex. The command is to PREACH the Word by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine.

Ken wrote:

David was a KING and Kings make war and not worship. The Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites prophesied with instruments but they were not inspired prophets: they were soothsayer-sorcerers. When you praise the king or queen with bagpipes you intend to make the enemy deficate and run for their life. ALL of the praise words intend to FORCE a god to come to your aid. In the case of David's army the TREAT was:

We are going to ROB you
We are going to RAPE you to proove our superiority
Then we are going to RAPTURE your head off.

Religious PRAISE SINGING intends and does the work of the Alpha Billy Goat to instill a laded burden or "spiritual anxiety through religious ritual" to intimidate you and warn you NOT to open your mouth unless it is a SALVATION ISSUE.

Jesus said that the kingdom DOES NOT COME to such OBSERVATIONS, that the kingdom is WITHIN you and worship is IN THE PLACE of the sanctified spirit as we GIVE ATTENDANCE to the WORD (Logos or Regulative Principle). Therefore, the Progressive churches, as Joseph Campbell warned, CRACK OFF TO THE ARCHAIC when their old religion does not meet THEIR needs or harvest enough FLEECE.


And I write:

I have seen the times when music overwhelmed the Lord's Supper as well as the invitation--all the private thoughts of the participants in the Lord's Supper and all the intents of the invitation of the speaker were overwhelmed by singing. Both happening simultaneously. In both cases, I see the WORD replaced by the noise of singing.

The combination of instrumental music, militarism, flag-waving, and noise was also present in the time of David Lipscomb when he saw the Word being overwhelmed by such activities. It was not the instrumental music alone, but it was hand-maiden to militarism and flag-waving and a desecration of the Word. These were manifestations of the Civil-Military-Clergy Complex. Its result was strife, war, death, defeat, and poverty.
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November 18th, 2013, 1:13 am #13

That's a strange IP you have Ken.



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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Coach,

A certain portion of the text (including the poster's name) can be inadvertently edited ... and overlooked.

It appears that the "Ken wrote:" segment was quoted by Humility from one of Ken's messages under the "Jason Shepherd" thread.

In this case, the poster's name has been changed back to Humility.[/color]
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November 18th, 2013, 2:27 am #14

Ken wrote:

David was a KING and Kings make war and not worship. The Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites prophesied with instruments but they were not inspired prophets: they were soothsayer-sorcerers. When you praise the king or queen with bagpipes you intend to make the enemy deficate and run for their life. ALL of the praise words intend to FORCE a god to come to your aid. In the case of David's army the TREAT was:

We are going to ROB you
We are going to RAPE you to proove our superiority
Then we are going to RAPTURE your head off.

Religious PRAISE SINGING intends and does the work of the Alpha Billy Goat to instill a laded burden or "spiritual anxiety through religious ritual" to intimidate you and warn you NOT to open your mouth unless it is a SALVATION ISSUE.

Jesus said that the kingdom DOES NOT COME to such OBSERVATIONS, that the kingdom is WITHIN you and worship is IN THE PLACE of the sanctified spirit as we GIVE ATTENDANCE to the WORD (Logos or Regulative Principle). Therefore, the Progressive churches, as Joseph Campbell warned, CRACK OFF TO THE ARCHAIC when their old religion does not meet THEIR needs or harvest enough FLEECE.


And I write:

I have seen the times when music overwhelmed the Lord's Supper as well as the invitation--all the private thoughts of the participants in the Lord's Supper and all the intents of the invitation of the speaker were overwhelmed by singing. Both happening simultaneously. In both cases, I see the WORD replaced by the noise of singing.

The combination of instrumental music, militarism, flag-waving, and noise was also present in the time of David Lipscomb when he saw the Word being overwhelmed by such activities. It was not the instrumental music alone, but it was hand-maiden to militarism and flag-waving and a desecration of the Word. These were manifestations of the Civil-Military-Clergy Complex. Its result was strife, war, death, defeat, and poverty.
Burton Coffman may be the only fairly recent Church of Christ scholar who has read the text beyond "gitin up a sermon."

Coffman's Commentary Speaks for the total Bible view that Israel's rejection of God as King, Judge and Priest set the stage for their later repudiation of Jesus Christ in order to keep the evil Temple-System like all other nations. Remember that the clergy was still seeking a king "like the nations" and had not a hint of looking for a Spiritual King, Prince and Mediator:

The great Cambridge scholar, Henry McKeating, has the following comment on this passage from Hosea:

"Hosea is not only antagonistic to the northern kings but to the monarchy as such. The monarchy is powerless to save the nation. Israel was wrong to ask for a king. Her punishment was that she got what she asked." 7: Henry McKeating, Amos, Hosea, and Micah (Cambridge: University Press, 1971), p. 148.

Coffman: "We are aware that it is popular among many able commentators today to make apologies for Israel's monarchy and to apply what the Scriptures plainly say about it to some specific monarch, Saul, for example, as did Dummelow, or to the kings of Northern Israel as did Hailey;
but it is the conviction of this writer that
Israel was totally and completely wrong in asking a king and that this rejection of God (that is what the text calls it) contained embryonically all of the later sorrows of the Chosen People.

Throughout the whole history of Israel, there were very few monarchs who even tried to serve the Lord. Solomon was to be blamed for the division of the kingdom under his son, because the people simply rejected the excesses of Solomon; and yet, even after God took the monarchy away from them, the nation wanted nothing in heaven or on earth as much as they wanted the restoration of that scandalous Solomonic empire.

It was this, more than anything else,

that motivated their rejection of God Himself,
finally and irrevocably,
in their rejection of God's Son, Jesus Christ the Holy One.

Go down the list of Israel's kings, David, the very best of all of them, was an adulterer and a murderer; and he also corrupted the worship of God by two sinful things:

(1) his initiating the events that led to the building of the temple (the den of thieves and robbers in Jesus' times); and

(2) his introduction of instruments of music into the worship of God.
We do not have the space here to outline all of the misdeeds of Israel's shameful monarchy,

but it is clear enough that God's disapproval of the monarchy was no late thing, applicable only to the phantom kings of Ephraim's final years, but it rested upon the monarchy from the very beginning of it as outlined in this chapter.

If God had ever approved of it, He would never have taken it away from them! Nevertheless, God accommodated to the sinful conduct of His people and in many specific instances blessed the kings of Israel,


Even Coffman misses the point that the sacrificial system was a NATIONAL SACRIFICE common in all nations. The Godly people never engaged in "temple worship" but were quarantined to their very isolated villages on the sabbath (REST) where Moses had assigned leaders of groups as small as 5 families there the only religious activity was to meet to REST, READ AND REHEARSE the word of God. We know from many statements that this was not the Law to which God abandoned the Tribe of Levites.
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November 18th, 2013, 2:38 am #15

It will get worse but cheer up the signs are ripe and the FRUITS will fall. They MOCK the Regulative Principle claiming that they have "a" spirit guiding them and I doubt it not. The LOGOS means the Regulative or Governing Principle. Therefore, being ANTI-Logos they are ANTI-Christ Whose words in the Prophets and Apostles are the only teaching resource and they MARK FOR AVOIDANCE those wearing tutus and singing and clapping.



<font face="arial" size="4">George Weigel writes for First Things, Oct. 30, 2013, that alas, few Christians in the West seem aware of the Suffering Church, much less have it weigh on their Christian conscience.

Christians today live in the greatest tribulation-time in Christian history. More Christians were killed for fidelity to Christ in the 20th century than in the previous nineteen centuries of Christian history combined.

Wiegel cites the following examples of persecution from a recent issue ofTouchstone:

Some 1,200 Protestants are being imprisoned in shipping containers in Eritrean desert camps where torture is routine.
Mostafa Bordbar, a 27-year-old Christian convert, was arrested and charged with illegal gathering and participating in a house church in Iran.
Kazakh Christians, many of them converts from Islam, are encouraged, by the arrest and imprisonment of their pastors, to refrain from evangelism.
A Muslim leader in central Nigeria regularly abducts Christian girls and women and holds them captive in his home, to compel their conversion (or reversion) to Islam.
In Syria and Egypt, Christians live in daily fear for their lives where its open season on Christians.

AND IT COMES AS NO SURPRISE THAT THOSE OF OUR HOUSEHOLD OR PSEUDO-CHURCH HAVE PILED ON BECAUSE THEY ARE OF THE WORLD AND JESUS DOES NOT PRAY FOR THEM.

Matthew 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
Matthew 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
Matthew 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
Matthew 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Matthew 10:31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a mans foes shall be they of his own household.

This will be CUT SHORT before God's Elect fall into the smokey pit with ABADDON, APOLLYON as the leader of the Musicians.
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November 18th, 2013, 6:39 pm #16

That's a strange IP you have Ken.



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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Coach,

A certain portion of the text (including the poster's name) can be inadvertently edited ... and overlooked.

It appears that the "Ken wrote:" segment was quoted by Humility from one of Ken's messages under the "Jason Shepherd" thread.

In this case, the poster's name has been changed back to Humility.[/color]
Donnie, thanks for the reply and the correction.
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November 19th, 2013, 3:32 pm #17

Yes, that is correct.

Just an accidental change to Poster's name.

No harm done.
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November 19th, 2013, 4:08 pm #18

That's Good! anything to keep Coach from going First Class.
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November 20th, 2013, 4:13 am #19

I think Donnie is a "First Class" moderator. It's a tough job that he handles very well. JMHO.
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November 20th, 2013, 4:13 pm #20

Yes, I imagine the moderator's job would be very tough, given the overwhelming flood of responses that have been pouring into this site lately.
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