The Trinity as three: Arius -Thalia

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September 30th, 2015, 1:43 am #101

I was giving you time to bubble up!

we will wait and let someone else respond.
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September 30th, 2015, 1:58 am #102

Donnie said "Ken has been repeating what the Bible says in Acts 7:37-43ff -- "

Donnie is not telling the truth. When Ken puts his spin on everything and everything goes back to singing being sinful, and Greek mythology spurring the way for interpretation, Donnie, you KNEW that you weren't getting by with telling that tall tale.
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September 30th, 2015, 3:50 am #103

Ask Ken to explain them. He'll put the mythological spin on them, because he believes that mythology provides an answer to all things Biblical.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill says: "Ask Ken ... the mythological spin...."

No, ask Bill. Bill with the Trinity spin. Instead of: "Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?" ... Bill will "trinitize" the question with: "Do you believe that Jesus is God?" [Why? Because Bill believes that the Son is the Father or that the Father is the Son.][/color]
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September 30th, 2015, 4:01 am #104

Donnie said "Ken has been repeating what the Bible says in Acts 7:37-43ff -- "

Donnie is not telling the truth. When Ken puts his spin on everything and everything goes back to singing being sinful, and Greek mythology spurring the way for interpretation, Donnie, you KNEW that you weren't getting by with telling that tall tale.
Whatever the topic, I've noticed that Ken's responses to posts usually always take off on some tangent about the evils of singing served up with a heaping helping of mythology. A newcomer here would get the impression that proficiency in pagan mythology and a crusade against singing are requirements for salvation.
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September 30th, 2015, 4:21 am #105

Of course Thomas had the "right" to say "My Lord and my God" to Jesus. When he saw Jesus' hands and side, Thomas no longer doubted; he knew that Jesus is Lord and God and said so. It's very important to note that Jesus did not deny what Thomas said about Him. By dismissing that verse, Donnie seems to miss a lot on that point. He evidently thinks that Thomas was just exclaiming a first-century "OMG."

People do have the "right" to interpret the Scripture and deny that Jesus is God to their heart's content. The evidence that Jesus is God is still there for those who are willing and able to see it.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill, you certainly ignored the rest of John 20. You also ignored (as usual) all the indications that God the Father is not Jesus the Son of God the Father.

Here's the key message in John 20 (since it took Thomas to see to believe...):

[29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

[30] And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

[31] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


You will not find in the Bible that "Jesus the Christ is God."[/color]
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September 30th, 2015, 4:44 am #106

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill says: "Ask Ken ... the mythological spin...."

No, ask Bill. Bill with the Trinity spin. Instead of: "Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?" ... Bill will "trinitize" the question with: "Do you believe that Jesus is God?" [Why? Because Bill believes that the Son is the Father or that the Father is the Son.][/color]
No, ask Ken. We want to see how much he goes off on some tangent and works pagan mythology and singing-is-sinful scenarios into those Bible verses that Scripture wants to have explained.
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September 30th, 2015, 4:54 am #107

How would the following passages be explained?

Acts 8:37 (Some manuscripts include here) Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The eunuch answered, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”

Or John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

If He is the Son of God, then how is He the Son? Is he divine like God, or like his mother Mary?
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Great questions, Scripture.

The eunuch's answer is found in numerous passages in the New Testament: "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” If the eunuch and NT passages had said "that Jesus Christ is God," then it would be truth that must be accepted. However, there is not one passage that indicates or expresses that idea.

How is He the Son? Is he divine like God?

"Divine" is defined as "of, from, or like God or a god." The words "of" and "from" and "like" and "a" are very significant. Scholarly translations of John 1:1 prove this point: "[no caps] in the beginning was the word, and the word was with the god, and the word was a god (or godlike)."

So, the divinity of Jesus is not in question here. After all, God the Father sent His only begotten Son to earth (as you quoted John 3:16). God the Father made Jesus the crucified both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36). Christ is THE IMAGE of God [for the sake of Bill: even children know the meaning of "image"] -- cf. II Cor. 4:4.[/color]
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September 30th, 2015, 5:00 am #108

Whatever the topic, I've noticed that Ken's responses to posts usually always take off on some tangent about the evils of singing served up with a heaping helping of mythology. A newcomer here would get the impression that proficiency in pagan mythology and a crusade against singing are requirements for salvation.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]"... against singing are requirements for salvation"?

Now ... taking off on some tangent.
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September 30th, 2015, 5:12 am #109

No, ask Ken. We want to see how much he goes off on some tangent and works pagan mythology and singing-is-sinful scenarios into those Bible verses that Scripture wants to have explained.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Read Acts 7: esp. verses 40-43. "Make us gods to go before us" ... "they made a calf in those days" ... "offered sacrifice unto the idol" ... "gave them up to worship the host of heaven" ... "ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them...." Pagan mythology did you say?????????????

Singing-is-sinful? That depends on the musical worship.[/color]
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September 30th, 2015, 11:52 am #110

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Great questions, Scripture.

The eunuch's answer is found in numerous passages in the New Testament: "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” If the eunuch and NT passages had said "that Jesus Christ is God," then it would be truth that must be accepted. However, there is not one passage that indicates or expresses that idea.

How is He the Son? Is he divine like God?

"Divine" is defined as "of, from, or like God or a god." The words "of" and "from" and "like" and "a" are very significant. Scholarly translations of John 1:1 prove this point: "[no caps] in the beginning was the word, and the word was with the god, and the word was a god (or godlike)."

So, the divinity of Jesus is not in question here. After all, God the Father sent His only begotten Son to earth (as you quoted John 3:16). God the Father made Jesus the crucified both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36). Christ is THE IMAGE of God [for the sake of Bill: even children know the meaning of "image"] -- cf. II Cor. 4:4.[/color]
Donnie said "Singing-is-sinful? That depends on the musical worship."

That is also not true Donnie. YOU KNOW that Ken universally specifies that ANY SINGING (any music) is sinful. You don't like getting called to the mat, but you keep claiming what is not true.
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