The Stark Warlick Debate showing that "unity" means treachery.

The Stark Warlick Debate showing that "unity" means treachery.

Ken Sublett
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January 23rd, 2013, 11:11 pm #1

The Stark Warlick Debate on "God authorizes Instrumental Music in Worship."

http://www.piney.com/Stark.Warlick.Deba ... Music.html

This is just a beginning look but it only takes reviewing a few proofs to show that people who are quite ignorant and quite arrogant have no trouble deliberately sowing discord. There were several events where the Christian Church intentionally imposed instruments and confiscated the church: Warlick notes even in 1903 the attitude was "get over it or get out." It became very apparent that any effort at "unity" put the congregation is certain danger that the property would be taken. And yet, pseudo-preachers for the Church of Christ promote unity KNOWING that the hidden agenda is to be a TURNCOAT and open the gates.





<font face="arial" size="4">To claim that PSALLO first used by the Disciples-Christian churches in 1878 commands the use of Instrumental music.

Claims that the Spirit OF Christ guiding Paul was just too stupid to know that even Silly Sally knew that if you wanted to tell someone to PLAY and INSTRUMENT there were compound words for STYLE and names of instruments.

Therefore, according to Christ in Jeremiah 23 to say that God approves something when He denounces it (to readers) is called BLASPHEMING the Holy Spirit OF Christ.
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January 24th, 2013, 4:45 pm #2

The charge that trying to inform people about the wickedness of IMPOSING musical instruments by claiming that God COMMANDED it is called judging. Judging, as we might imagine, is done by those intending to RETRAIN all of the young preachers to join the Instrumental Band.

Whoever posted the charge should respond if he has any evidence to support deliberately sowing massive discord to make a place in the mainstream for that which excites and disgusts at the same time.

All of the JUDGING has been done over a decade-long planned agenda to deprive young preachers of the truth about instrumental music. Counting the numbers involved, the "unity" agenda has spread more judgmentalism than in recorded history. Anyone who sees "music" as an adjunct to the Word of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles, when there is no command, example or remote inference of anyone in the Bible or before the Reformation to SING congregationally with or without instruments is just FABRICATING.

If you don't know that Jesus, Paul and Peter SAT DOWN all of the Scribes and pharisess, hypocrites (speakers, singers and instrument players in Ezekiel 33) to make the EKKLESIA of Christ remotely possible then you simply have never read the Bible beyond passing tests or gittin up sermons.

http://www.piney.com/Blasphemy.Spirit.Word.Christ.html

1. To say that those who refuse to be FORCED into something they have never done in the 2. Bible and recorded history of the Church of Christ are TRADITIONALISTS
--if done on a private level is ignorance:
--if done publically to demean others is lying about God, to God and godly people.

3. If people in high places say that REJECTING others efforts to IMPOSE musical worship teamss(a heresy) are SECTARIAN (heretics) then they INTENTIONALLY pass judgment on those who have the Word and recorded history on their side.

1. If you say that God COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL praise because you SAY God commanded the Levites as Musical Worship Ministers for animal sacrifices.
2. When Scripture teaches them as Jacob-cursed, God-abandoned to worship the STARRY HOST
3. When the proof text says that DAVID commanded the NOISE and God commanded the Levites to prophesy as SOOTHSAYERS to EXECUTE any one not connected with the God-abandoned sacrificial system.
4. The the Spirit Of Christ in Jeremiah says that they Despise or BLASPHEME the Holy Spirit of Christ who inspired the prophets.

1. If they claim that a spirit commanded you to IMPOSE "instrumental praise."
2. And God did not command instrumental praise
3. The the Spirit OF Christ calls you a Blasphemer. If you need a second opinion you are hated because Amos warns about bringing music into the holy places. If you need a third opinion God HATES you because you plan to sow massive discord seeing godliness as a means of financial gain (profession).

1. If you say that MAKING MUSIC in the ekklesia-synagogue AIDS Jesus
2. When The ekklesia--synagogue ordained in the wilderness EXCLUDED "vocal or instrumental rejoicing."
3. Then, you intentional violate the direct command of Christ, the historical practice of the Jews, the approved example of Jesus, the command of Jesus in coming to be THE only Spirit teacher of HIS ekklesia or assembly. As well as almost 4 centuries before anyone decided to sow discord by ADDING singing as an ACT of liturgy.

1. If you say that Christ commanded a LAW of Lay By in Store to FINANCE this foolishness.
2. When Jesus paid it all and Paul said it was NOT a command even for the destitute
3. Then Paul and common decency says that you are an EXTORTIONIST.

1. If you say that you have AUTHORITY to fabricate your own songs and sermons
2. When the Spirit OF Christ outlawed SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.58.html

3. And the ELDERS as pastor-teachers are limited to "teaching that which has been taught"
Then you are ANTI-Christian because you have no intention of obeying the ONLY pattern for assemblying as A School of the Word.

You are free to consult any scholar to refute my assertions which any disciple can prove and is the opinion of the Holy Spirit OF Christ: I don't make up things and I don't try to sell my OWN words claiming to be a minister of Christ.
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January 24th, 2013, 7:55 pm #3

The Stark Warlick Debate on "God authorizes Instrumental Music in Worship."

http://www.piney.com/Stark.Warlick.Deba ... Music.html

This is just a beginning look but it only takes reviewing a few proofs to show that people who are quite ignorant and quite arrogant have no trouble deliberately sowing discord. There were several events where the Christian Church intentionally imposed instruments and confiscated the church: Warlick notes even in 1903 the attitude was "get over it or get out." It became very apparent that any effort at "unity" put the congregation is certain danger that the property would be taken. And yet, pseudo-preachers for the Church of Christ promote unity KNOWING that the hidden agenda is to be a TURNCOAT and open the gates.





<font face="arial" size="4">To claim that PSALLO first used by the Disciples-Christian churches in 1878 commands the use of Instrumental music.

Claims that the Spirit OF Christ guiding Paul was just too stupid to know that even Silly Sally knew that if you wanted to tell someone to PLAY and INSTRUMENT there were compound words for STYLE and names of instruments.

Therefore, according to Christ in Jeremiah 23 to say that God approves something when He denounces it (to readers) is called BLASPHEMING the Holy Spirit OF Christ.
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January 25th, 2013, 6:18 pm #4

The charge that trying to inform people about the wickedness of IMPOSING musical instruments by claiming that God COMMANDED it is called judging. Judging, as we might imagine, is done by those intending to RETRAIN all of the young preachers to join the Instrumental Band.

Whoever posted the charge should respond if he has any evidence to support deliberately sowing massive discord to make a place in the mainstream for that which excites and disgusts at the same time.

All of the JUDGING has been done over a decade-long planned agenda to deprive young preachers of the truth about instrumental music. Counting the numbers involved, the "unity" agenda has spread more judgmentalism than in recorded history. Anyone who sees "music" as an adjunct to the Word of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles, when there is no command, example or remote inference of anyone in the Bible or before the Reformation to SING congregationally with or without instruments is just FABRICATING.

If you don't know that Jesus, Paul and Peter SAT DOWN all of the Scribes and pharisess, hypocrites (speakers, singers and instrument players in Ezekiel 33) to make the EKKLESIA of Christ remotely possible then you simply have never read the Bible beyond passing tests or gittin up sermons.

http://www.piney.com/Blasphemy.Spirit.Word.Christ.html

1. To say that those who refuse to be FORCED into something they have never done in the 2. Bible and recorded history of the Church of Christ are TRADITIONALISTS
--if done on a private level is ignorance:
--if done publically to demean others is lying about God, to God and godly people.

3. If people in high places say that REJECTING others efforts to IMPOSE musical worship teamss(a heresy) are SECTARIAN (heretics) then they INTENTIONALLY pass judgment on those who have the Word and recorded history on their side.

1. If you say that God COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL praise because you SAY God commanded the Levites as Musical Worship Ministers for animal sacrifices.
2. When Scripture teaches them as Jacob-cursed, God-abandoned to worship the STARRY HOST
3. When the proof text says that DAVID commanded the NOISE and God commanded the Levites to prophesy as SOOTHSAYERS to EXECUTE any one not connected with the God-abandoned sacrificial system.
4. The the Spirit Of Christ in Jeremiah says that they Despise or BLASPHEME the Holy Spirit of Christ who inspired the prophets.

1. If they claim that a spirit commanded you to IMPOSE "instrumental praise."
2. And God did not command instrumental praise
3. The the Spirit OF Christ calls you a Blasphemer. If you need a second opinion you are hated because Amos warns about bringing music into the holy places. If you need a third opinion God HATES you because you plan to sow massive discord seeing godliness as a means of financial gain (profession).

1. If you say that MAKING MUSIC in the ekklesia-synagogue AIDS Jesus
2. When The ekklesia--synagogue ordained in the wilderness EXCLUDED "vocal or instrumental rejoicing."
3. Then, you intentional violate the direct command of Christ, the historical practice of the Jews, the approved example of Jesus, the command of Jesus in coming to be THE only Spirit teacher of HIS ekklesia or assembly. As well as almost 4 centuries before anyone decided to sow discord by ADDING singing as an ACT of liturgy.

1. If you say that Christ commanded a LAW of Lay By in Store to FINANCE this foolishness.
2. When Jesus paid it all and Paul said it was NOT a command even for the destitute
3. Then Paul and common decency says that you are an EXTORTIONIST.

1. If you say that you have AUTHORITY to fabricate your own songs and sermons
2. When the Spirit OF Christ outlawed SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.58.html

3. And the ELDERS as pastor-teachers are limited to "teaching that which has been taught"
Then you are ANTI-Christian because you have no intention of obeying the ONLY pattern for assemblying as A School of the Word.

You are free to consult any scholar to refute my assertions which any disciple can prove and is the opinion of the Holy Spirit OF Christ: I don't make up things and I don't try to sell my OWN words claiming to be a minister of Christ.
"Judging" is one of those words launched any time anyone questions people. The NEW law of silence is 'WE have the right to IMPOSE on you and YOU must sit down and shut up or YOU will be judging and sowing discord.

Secondly, those who hallucinate a musical or other performance act as belonging to the School of Christ where HE has prescribed the curriculum do not know and probably do not care that there is not a jot or tittle inf FAVOR and masses of information outlawing anything other than TEACHING the Prophets and Apostles as the FOUNDATION upon which A church of Christ is built or EDUCATED.

Those who get you to build them a mega church and then say, Oh yes! we are going to divert YOUR property into a neo pagan worship center is THE definition of judgmentalism. ALL musical terms in one way or another identify the CRAFT of the enchanters or sorcerers. That fits the end-time prophecy.

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January 29th, 2013, 11:12 pm #5

The charge that trying to inform people about the wickedness of IMPOSING musical instruments by claiming that God COMMANDED it is called judging. Judging, as we might imagine, is done by those intending to RETRAIN all of the young preachers to join the Instrumental Band.

Whoever posted the charge should respond if he has any evidence to support deliberately sowing massive discord to make a place in the mainstream for that which excites and disgusts at the same time.

All of the JUDGING has been done over a decade-long planned agenda to deprive young preachers of the truth about instrumental music. Counting the numbers involved, the "unity" agenda has spread more judgmentalism than in recorded history. Anyone who sees "music" as an adjunct to the Word of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles, when there is no command, example or remote inference of anyone in the Bible or before the Reformation to SING congregationally with or without instruments is just FABRICATING.

If you don't know that Jesus, Paul and Peter SAT DOWN all of the Scribes and pharisess, hypocrites (speakers, singers and instrument players in Ezekiel 33) to make the EKKLESIA of Christ remotely possible then you simply have never read the Bible beyond passing tests or gittin up sermons.

http://www.piney.com/Blasphemy.Spirit.Word.Christ.html

1. To say that those who refuse to be FORCED into something they have never done in the 2. Bible and recorded history of the Church of Christ are TRADITIONALISTS
--if done on a private level is ignorance:
--if done publically to demean others is lying about God, to God and godly people.

3. If people in high places say that REJECTING others efforts to IMPOSE musical worship teamss(a heresy) are SECTARIAN (heretics) then they INTENTIONALLY pass judgment on those who have the Word and recorded history on their side.

1. If you say that God COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL praise because you SAY God commanded the Levites as Musical Worship Ministers for animal sacrifices.
2. When Scripture teaches them as Jacob-cursed, God-abandoned to worship the STARRY HOST
3. When the proof text says that DAVID commanded the NOISE and God commanded the Levites to prophesy as SOOTHSAYERS to EXECUTE any one not connected with the God-abandoned sacrificial system.
4. The the Spirit Of Christ in Jeremiah says that they Despise or BLASPHEME the Holy Spirit of Christ who inspired the prophets.

1. If they claim that a spirit commanded you to IMPOSE "instrumental praise."
2. And God did not command instrumental praise
3. The the Spirit OF Christ calls you a Blasphemer. If you need a second opinion you are hated because Amos warns about bringing music into the holy places. If you need a third opinion God HATES you because you plan to sow massive discord seeing godliness as a means of financial gain (profession).

1. If you say that MAKING MUSIC in the ekklesia-synagogue AIDS Jesus
2. When The ekklesia--synagogue ordained in the wilderness EXCLUDED "vocal or instrumental rejoicing."
3. Then, you intentional violate the direct command of Christ, the historical practice of the Jews, the approved example of Jesus, the command of Jesus in coming to be THE only Spirit teacher of HIS ekklesia or assembly. As well as almost 4 centuries before anyone decided to sow discord by ADDING singing as an ACT of liturgy.

1. If you say that Christ commanded a LAW of Lay By in Store to FINANCE this foolishness.
2. When Jesus paid it all and Paul said it was NOT a command even for the destitute
3. Then Paul and common decency says that you are an EXTORTIONIST.

1. If you say that you have AUTHORITY to fabricate your own songs and sermons
2. When the Spirit OF Christ outlawed SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.58.html

3. And the ELDERS as pastor-teachers are limited to "teaching that which has been taught"
Then you are ANTI-Christian because you have no intention of obeying the ONLY pattern for assemblying as A School of the Word.

You are free to consult any scholar to refute my assertions which any disciple can prove and is the opinion of the Holy Spirit OF Christ: I don't make up things and I don't try to sell my OWN words claiming to be a minister of Christ.
Those lying about God in order to IMPOSE musical instruments or "machines for doing hard work mostly in making war or arousing religious panic" CLAIM that the WEAK in Romans 14 are the ANTI-instrumentalists and THEY are sick of catering to them so they plan to OFFEND everyone to prove that they are trying to force the WEAK to get strong enough to tolerate instrumental PERFORMERS in the School of Christ.

Unfortunately for the PROGRESSIVES and most churches dominated with men with a Preaching Permit, there is not the slightest interest in defining words so they just, says Jeff Walling and the Winterfest 2013 crowd, let the LORD LEAD them. Now, if a person had to dismantle a land wind and let the lord lead him "beyond the sacred pages" we would say good riddance to another fool out of the DNA pool.

On the contrary, Paul said DON'T EVEN ACCEPT the Weak in Romans 14 which is the sermonizers, singers, instrument players and actors.

However, in Romans 15 the synagogue or ekklesia is defined to EXCLUDE the instrumental mind blinders and ACCEPT those who are WEAK in body or faith. After all the ONE PIECE PATTERN is to edify or EDUCATE those who are weak in the faith. The musicators intend to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." It seems to be working.

That permits the ABSOLUTE PATTERN for the church: "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning" which is SCRIPTURE and the only way to glorify or praise God:

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February 2nd, 2013, 11:51 pm #6

The Stark Warlick Debate on "God authorizes Instrumental Music in Worship."

http://www.piney.com/Stark.Warlick.Deba ... Music.html

This is just a beginning look but it only takes reviewing a few proofs to show that people who are quite ignorant and quite arrogant have no trouble deliberately sowing discord. There were several events where the Christian Church intentionally imposed instruments and confiscated the church: Warlick notes even in 1903 the attitude was "get over it or get out." It became very apparent that any effort at "unity" put the congregation is certain danger that the property would be taken. And yet, pseudo-preachers for the Church of Christ promote unity KNOWING that the hidden agenda is to be a TURNCOAT and open the gates.





<font face="arial" size="4">To claim that PSALLO first used by the Disciples-Christian churches in 1878 commands the use of Instrumental music.

Claims that the Spirit OF Christ guiding Paul was just too stupid to know that even Silly Sally knew that if you wanted to tell someone to PLAY and INSTRUMENT there were compound words for STYLE and names of instruments.

Therefore, according to Christ in Jeremiah 23 to say that God approves something when He denounces it (to readers) is called BLASPHEMING the Holy Spirit OF Christ.
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To claim that PSALLO first used by the Disciples-Christian churches in 1878 commands the use of Instrumental music.

Claims that the Spirit OF Christ guiding Paul was just too stupid to know that even Silly Sally knew that if you wanted to tell someone to PLAY and INSTRUMENT there were compound words for STYLE and names of instruments.

Therefore, according to Christ in Jeremiah 23 to say that God approves something when He denounces it (to readers) is called BLASPHEMING the Holy Spirit OF Christ.
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February 4th, 2013, 1:07 am #7

The Stark Warlick Debate on "God authorizes Instrumental Music in Worship."

http://www.piney.com/Stark.Warlick.Deba ... Music.html

This is just a beginning look but it only takes reviewing a few proofs to show that people who are quite ignorant and quite arrogant have no trouble deliberately sowing discord. There were several events where the Christian Church intentionally imposed instruments and confiscated the church: Warlick notes even in 1903 the attitude was "get over it or get out." It became very apparent that any effort at "unity" put the congregation is certain danger that the property would be taken. And yet, pseudo-preachers for the Church of Christ promote unity KNOWING that the hidden agenda is to be a TURNCOAT and open the gates.





<font face="arial" size="4">To claim that PSALLO first used by the Disciples-Christian churches in 1878 commands the use of Instrumental music.

Claims that the Spirit OF Christ guiding Paul was just too stupid to know that even Silly Sally knew that if you wanted to tell someone to PLAY and INSTRUMENT there were compound words for STYLE and names of instruments.

Therefore, according to Christ in Jeremiah 23 to say that God approves something when He denounces it (to readers) is called BLASPHEMING the Holy Spirit OF Christ.
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I am not sure of the meaning of the SIGN that a few people have been enticed to sow massive discord among people who have never in recorded history from the Church in the wilderness onward ever used instrumental music and irrationally calling it WORSHIP.

The Spirit OF Christ defined the future assembly both inclusively and exclusively. He especially warned against the effeminate smiters and pluckers in Isaiah 50.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.50.Smitten.Plucked.html

This is always a warning against the rise of the Mother Goddess Worship: the BEAST being "a new style of song or drama."

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February 4th, 2013, 1:07 am #8

The Stark Warlick Debate on "God authorizes Instrumental Music in Worship."

http://www.piney.com/Stark.Warlick.Deba ... Music.html

This is just a beginning look but it only takes reviewing a few proofs to show that people who are quite ignorant and quite arrogant have no trouble deliberately sowing discord. There were several events where the Christian Church intentionally imposed instruments and confiscated the church: Warlick notes even in 1903 the attitude was "get over it or get out." It became very apparent that any effort at "unity" put the congregation is certain danger that the property would be taken. And yet, pseudo-preachers for the Church of Christ promote unity KNOWING that the hidden agenda is to be a TURNCOAT and open the gates.





<font face="arial" size="4">To claim that PSALLO first used by the Disciples-Christian churches in 1878 commands the use of Instrumental music.

Claims that the Spirit OF Christ guiding Paul was just too stupid to know that even Silly Sally knew that if you wanted to tell someone to PLAY and INSTRUMENT there were compound words for STYLE and names of instruments.

Therefore, according to Christ in Jeremiah 23 to say that God approves something when He denounces it (to readers) is called BLASPHEMING the Holy Spirit OF Christ.
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I am not sure of the meaning of the SIGN that a few people have been enticed to sow massive discord among people who have never in recorded history from the Church in the wilderness onward ever used instrumental music and irrationally calling it WORSHIP.

The Spirit OF Christ defined the future assembly both inclusively and exclusively. He especially warned against the effeminate smiters and pluckers in Isaiah 50.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.50.Smitten.Plucked.html

This is always a warning against the rise of the Mother Goddess Worship: the BEAST being "a new style of song or drama."

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February 5th, 2013, 4:01 am #10

The Stark Warlick Debate on "God authorizes Instrumental Music in Worship."

http://www.piney.com/Stark.Warlick.Deba ... Music.html

This is just a beginning look but it only takes reviewing a few proofs to show that people who are quite ignorant and quite arrogant have no trouble deliberately sowing discord. There were several events where the Christian Church intentionally imposed instruments and confiscated the church: Warlick notes even in 1903 the attitude was "get over it or get out." It became very apparent that any effort at "unity" put the congregation is certain danger that the property would be taken. And yet, pseudo-preachers for the Church of Christ promote unity KNOWING that the hidden agenda is to be a TURNCOAT and open the gates.





<font face="arial" size="4">To claim that PSALLO first used by the Disciples-Christian churches in 1878 commands the use of Instrumental music.

Claims that the Spirit OF Christ guiding Paul was just too stupid to know that even Silly Sally knew that if you wanted to tell someone to PLAY and INSTRUMENT there were compound words for STYLE and names of instruments.

Therefore, according to Christ in Jeremiah 23 to say that God approves something when He denounces it (to readers) is called BLASPHEMING the Holy Spirit OF Christ.
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Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites. In the Ezekiel 33 example Christ names performance preachers for pay, singers and instrument players. The message was that people who do not listen to GOD'S words with the intention of obeying what they hear are NOTHING MORE than theatrical performers. That is what is called WORSHIP SERVICES as in contrast to A School (only) or Christ (only) in the Prophets and Apostles. That is the ONLY thing that you can use to BUILD ON. Otherwise, your strawy songs and sermons will be baptized with FIRE.

Jesus refused to speak to them other than through parables from the foundation of the world. Jesus also said that God HIDES from the WISE: they are the sophists meaning self-preachers, singers, instrument players or actors. That's why they cannot grasp that they are the BEASTS and they MARK others by connecting ritualistic worship to being FOR or TO God.


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