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Can we say that before regeneration, that God our Father effects these changes by the word or gospel, and that is confirmed by his Holy Spirit?"In the kingdom of God in which we are born of water, the Holy Spirit is as atmosphere in the kingdom of nature--we mean the influences of the Holy Spirit are as necessary to the new life, as the atmosphere is to our animal life in the kingdom of nature. All this is done in us before regeneration, God our Father effects by the word, or the gospel as dictated and confirmed by his Holy Spirit. But after we are thus begotten and born by the Spirit of God--after our new birth, the Holy Spirit is shed on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior; of which the peace of mind, the love, the joy, and the hope of the regenerate is full proof; for these are amongst the fruits of that Holy Spirit of promise of what we speak." Christianity Restored, Alexander Campbell, 1835, page 274.
Could we say that the Holy Spirit as shed on us be Jesus Christ brings peace of mind, love, joy, and hope? These are among the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Can we say that before regeneration, that God our Father effects these changes by the word or gospel, and that is confirmed byh his Holy Spirit?
Campbell appears not to separate the Word, the Gospel, God the Father, Jesus Christ our Savior, but these all act together.
It would be unfair to Campbell, perhaps, to put him under our current microscope, but reading his book throughout will give us a pretty good idea what he is saying. He does not separate our feelings from the Word.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]I am shocked, but not really, to find out [it was ringing in my ears] from you that the just-promoted senior minister of Madison was being mentored by Rick Warren.Rick Warren: "The Holy Spirit releases his power the moment you take a step of faith. . . . Obedience unlocks God's power. God waits for you to act first. . . . This is how you cooperate with the Holy Spirit, and it how your character develops." p. 174, What on Earth am I Here for, 2012, The Purpose Drive Life, Expanded Edition.
The Bible: Saul (Paul) said "What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, 'Arise, and go into Damascus, and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.' (Acts 22:10). . . . Ananias said to him 'And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord,; (Acts 22:16). No Holy Spirit mentioned so far.
With such, many in Churches of Christ are having to deal--correcting the literature that the "Holy Spirit appointed elders" are dumping on the churches.
John Mark Hicks etal who probably never read Bacon accuse Alexander Campbell with basing his hermeneutics on Baconian Rationalism. That spits in the face of a grand scholar who clearly never taught anything that was not the Biblical Text.Can we say that before regeneration, that God our Father effects these changes by the word or gospel, and that is confirmed by his Holy Spirit?
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]That sounds accurately stated to me.
First, there is the duty to "preach the gospel of Christ" (II Cor. 11:7; 10:14; Rom. 15:19). Paul identifies "the gospel of Christ" as "the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" (Rom. 1:16). And "the word of truth" defines "the gospel of Christ." And Jesus said [while living with his disciples]: "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life." He was that promised "Spirit of TRUTH" when he said, "I will come to you and dwell IN you," according to John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13 and I John 4:6.
Believing in the gospel is that recognition and acceptance that God made Jesus (whom ye crucified) both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:37). That in effect leads to repentance and finally baptism [immersion] -- the regeneration.
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5) (Note: "of the Spirit" is not in reference to "baptism of/in the Holy Ghost" the Charismatic/Pentecostal way. Nor it is the Trinity's Holy Ghost being received.)
Rather, the new birth, according to Acts 2:37,38 and other supporting passages, pertains to being:
(a) Born of water: the washing of regeneration in baptism for the forgiveness of sins in the Redeemer's blood
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(b) Born of the spirit: the receiving of the gift of a holy spirit or man's spirit MADE HOLY, the renewing of the mind. If this were the Trinity's 3rd PERSON "Holy Spirit" being received, the Trinity Creed would be self-destructive -- why not receive the Trinity's 1st PERSON, the Father; and why not receive the Trinity's 2nd PERSON, the Son?
The premise is correct: The changes in man (believing and repentance, etc.) are effected by "the word of truth" (II Cor. 6:7; Eph. 1:13; II Tim. 2:15) in Jesus, "the truth," as well as "the Spirit of truth" (John 14-16; I John 4:6). These changes are effected prior to regeneration. It is the gospel of Jesus Christ. But not only do we recognize Jesus Christ as "the truth" but also as "the Spirit of truth." [/color]
The tragic aspect is that there are wide differences on various teachings between Rick Warren and those in Churches of Christ. Actually, various denominations also complain about Warren, for many of the same reasons. Check with the Swaggarts in Lousiana, for example.[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]I am shocked, but not really, to find out [it was ringing in my ears] from you that the just-promoted senior minister of Madison was being mentored by Rick Warren.
Jason Shep's sermons, "WHAT ON EARTH AM I HERE FOR? PART 1..."
Watch out!!! What's else (i.e., "truth" or Warren's philosophy and church psychology) is Jason learning from the Saddleback Community Church guru?[/color]
We have shown that the gift of A holy spirit has the same meaning as A good conscience, consciousness or a co-perception of the Word of God.What may be happening is that hollow-minded leaders are telling the preaching staff what material to preach.
Hollow-minded because they are successful in business, but not particularly gifted in Biblical matters.
The preaching staff, on the other hand, is more Biblically adept but lack the money and power to call the shots and decide the material.
So it is, that although successful in business, they are failing to guide the church Biblically and to recognize spiritually motivating preaching.