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April 11th, 2013, 7:58 am #11

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Spirit OF Jesus Christ the Lord is the Holy Spirit!!!

That truth invalidates the doctrinal theory that the Holy Spirit is a person with a male gender identity.

Furthermore, numerous expressions associated with the "holy spirit" show possession for the following very significant reasons:

(1) Because the word "spirit" precedes the preposition "OF" as in "the spirit of"
(2) Because the word "spirit" follows the pronoun "HIS"


For the sake of simplification, consider the following expressions that identify "possession" or "that which belongs": the mind OF the child ... the big nose OF Durante ... her big mouth ... the unholy spirit OF man, etc. It means, respectively that the mind is not the child; that the mouth is not the person; that the unholy spirit is not the man.

There are innumerable references to the truth that the "holy spirit" is an entity or an attribute WHICH belongs to ______________:[/color]
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord (26 references in O.T.; Luke 4:18; Acts 5:9; 8:39; II Cor. 3:17,18)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF God (14 references in O.T.; 12 references in N.T.)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF our God (I Cor. 6:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the living God (II Cor. 3:3)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Christ (Rom. 8:9; I Peter 1:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Jesus Christ (Phil. 1:19)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord God (Isa. 61:1)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF His Son (Gal. 4:6)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the holy Spirit OF God (Eph. 4:30)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Father (Matt. 10:20)

    Plus, WHOSE Spirit [indicating possession] is it?

    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS Spirit that dwelleth in you (Rom. 8:11; I Cor. 2:10; I John 4:13)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS holy Spirit (Isa. 63:10,11; I Thess. 4:8)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him that raised up Jesus (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit which is OF God (I Cor. 2:12) </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Hopefully, you've paid careful attention to reading and studying [NOT speed-reading] all the passages above.

Whether it is of the Lord ... or of God ... or of the living God ... or of the Father ... or of the Lord Jesus Christ: HIS SPIRIT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT; HIS SPIRIT DOES NOT INVENT, GENERATE OR CREATE ANOTHER HOLY SPIRIT!!![/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]This post is subtitled:[/color]
"The Holy Spirit OF God" VERSUS "The Holy Spirit IS God"
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times](1) Ephesians 4:30 -- "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." (KJV)

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(2) Trinity 4:30 -- "And grieve not the Holy Spirit who is God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." (RCC/Papacy/Nicene Creed)

Just a reminder:

(1) The word "spirit" is a noun, but it is not a proper noun.
(2) The word "holy" is an adjective that modifies the word "spirit."
(3) The word "of" is a preposition overlooked or ignored by the Trinitarians.
(4) The word "of" does not mean "is"; "of" indicates "which belongs to."

SCRIPTURE: The HOLY SPIRIT is a.k.a. the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD.

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TRINITY CREED: The (Third Person) HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD.[/color]
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April 12th, 2013, 5:53 am #12

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]In the initial post, I listed 12 different expressions (67 passages referenced) with these words: "the [holy] spirit OF _________" all of which are followed by the divine being:[/color]
  • the spirit .......... OF God
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF our God
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF the living God
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF the Lord
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF the Lord God
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF the Father
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF Christ
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF Jesus Christ
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF His Son
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF Him
    </li>
  • the holy spirit ..... OF God (Eph. 4:30)
    </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The preposition "OF" conveys a relationship of an entity with/within a larger entity; it also indicates possession or ownership or "belonging to."

Those who advocate "God in Three Persons: Blessed Trinity" use Eph. 4:30 ("grieve not the holy Spirit of God") to prove that "the Holy Spirit" is the Third Person of the Trinity creed. To them the Holy Spirit is God.

Fallacy: If "the Holy Spirit is God," there is redundancy in the expression "the Holy Spirit of God." If "God" were substituted for "the Holy Spirit," the resulting expression would be "God of God." There you go: prepositions can be such a pain!!! But this is a necessary pain -- you simply cannot substitute "the holy spirit" for "God." After all, the Scripture clearly states: "the holy spirit OF God." Whose holy spirit? God's holy spirit, of course.

Those who advocate "God in Three Persons: Blessed Trinity" use Matt. 28:19 ("... baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit") to prove that "the Holy Spirit" is the Third Person of the Trinity creed. To them the Holy Spirit is God.

That passage lists 3 entities, of course. Does that prove 3 separate beings. NO!!! Again, just look at the 12 different expressions listed above, none of which indicates that "the holy spirit" is a separate being. In truth, there is "the spirit of the Father" or "the spirit of the Father's Son.

Remember that "the [holy] spirit of the Father" or "the [holy] spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ" does not invent, create or generate another or a separate "Holy Spirit" that the Trinity creed claims.

Therefore, let the truth remain: "Grieve not the holy spirit OF God."
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April 12th, 2013, 3:37 pm #13

In Matt. 28:19, when Jesus mentions the three entities of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, some folks say Jesus doesn't really mean THREE entities. Such reasoning parallels that of the Baptists, who claim, for example, that Jesus doesn't really require baptism for salvation when in Mark 16:16 He says, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." The Baptists imply that the abundance of New Testament passages linking only faith with salvation far outweighs Jesus' mention of baptism and salvation in Mark 16:16. Likewise, those who reject three entities of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit imply that the abundance of New Testament passages mentioning "spirit of God/Lord/Christ/Father/Son" far outweighs Jesus' mention of the three entities in Matt. 28:19. Perhaps it would have been less confusing if Jesus had said, "...in the name of the Father and of the Son" and stopped. Yet we cannot deny that Jesus DOES mention three entities.

Now does the mention of three entities mean they are three literal entities with completely separate identities? Some people think so. Are the three entities instead three highly related parts of one divine entity? Other people think so. Aside from the fact that the New Testament mentions the Father in some passages, the Son in others, the Holy Spirit in yet others, and all three together in at least one passage (Matt. 28:19), is there an explicit, New Testament passage commanding that we MUST believe they exist as three-in-one, one-in-three, or some other combination? NO!!! Therefore, as long as we believe in God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit, then we are at liberty to form our own personal conceptions about how the Godhead is arranged.
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April 12th, 2013, 3:50 pm #14

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Spirit OF Jesus Christ the Lord is the Holy Spirit!!!

That truth invalidates the doctrinal theory that the Holy Spirit is a person with a male gender identity.

Furthermore, numerous expressions associated with the "holy spirit" show possession for the following very significant reasons:

(1) Because the word "spirit" precedes the preposition "OF" as in "the spirit of"
(2) Because the word "spirit" follows the pronoun "HIS"


For the sake of simplification, consider the following expressions that identify "possession" or "that which belongs": the mind OF the child ... the big nose OF Durante ... her big mouth ... the unholy spirit OF man, etc. It means, respectively that the mind is not the child; that the mouth is not the person; that the unholy spirit is not the man.

There are innumerable references to the truth that the "holy spirit" is an entity or an attribute WHICH belongs to ______________:[/color]
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord (26 references in O.T.; Luke 4:18; Acts 5:9; 8:39; II Cor. 3:17,18)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF God (14 references in O.T.; 12 references in N.T.)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF our God (I Cor. 6:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the living God (II Cor. 3:3)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Christ (Rom. 8:9; I Peter 1:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Jesus Christ (Phil. 1:19)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord God (Isa. 61:1)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF His Son (Gal. 4:6)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the holy Spirit OF God (Eph. 4:30)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Father (Matt. 10:20)

    Plus, WHOSE Spirit [indicating possession] is it?

    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS Spirit that dwelleth in you (Rom. 8:11; I Cor. 2:10; I John 4:13)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS holy Spirit (Isa. 63:10,11; I Thess. 4:8)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him that raised up Jesus (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit which is OF God (I Cor. 2:12) </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Hopefully, you've paid careful attention to reading and studying [NOT speed-reading] all the passages above.

Whether it is of the Lord ... or of God ... or of the living God ... or of the Father ... or of the Lord Jesus Christ: HIS SPIRIT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT; HIS SPIRIT DOES NOT INVENT, GENERATE OR CREATE ANOTHER HOLY SPIRIT!!![/color]


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April 12th, 2013, 4:31 pm #15

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Spirit OF Jesus Christ the Lord is the Holy Spirit!!!

That truth invalidates the doctrinal theory that the Holy Spirit is a person with a male gender identity.

Furthermore, numerous expressions associated with the "holy spirit" show possession for the following very significant reasons:

(1) Because the word "spirit" precedes the preposition "OF" as in "the spirit of"
(2) Because the word "spirit" follows the pronoun "HIS"


For the sake of simplification, consider the following expressions that identify "possession" or "that which belongs": the mind OF the child ... the big nose OF Durante ... her big mouth ... the unholy spirit OF man, etc. It means, respectively that the mind is not the child; that the mouth is not the person; that the unholy spirit is not the man.

There are innumerable references to the truth that the "holy spirit" is an entity or an attribute WHICH belongs to ______________:[/color]
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord (26 references in O.T.; Luke 4:18; Acts 5:9; 8:39; II Cor. 3:17,18)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF God (14 references in O.T.; 12 references in N.T.)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF our God (I Cor. 6:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the living God (II Cor. 3:3)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Christ (Rom. 8:9; I Peter 1:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Jesus Christ (Phil. 1:19)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord God (Isa. 61:1)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF His Son (Gal. 4:6)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the holy Spirit OF God (Eph. 4:30)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Father (Matt. 10:20)

    Plus, WHOSE Spirit [indicating possession] is it?

    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS Spirit that dwelleth in you (Rom. 8:11; I Cor. 2:10; I John 4:13)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS holy Spirit (Isa. 63:10,11; I Thess. 4:8)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him that raised up Jesus (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit which is OF God (I Cor. 2:12) </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Hopefully, you've paid careful attention to reading and studying [NOT speed-reading] all the passages above.

Whether it is of the Lord ... or of God ... or of the living God ... or of the Father ... or of the Lord Jesus Christ: HIS SPIRIT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT; HIS SPIRIT DOES NOT INVENT, GENERATE OR CREATE ANOTHER HOLY SPIRIT!!![/color]
The word is THEOS or GOD: Godhead is a pagan trinitarian heresy. Father, Spirit, Son are NOT entities: An entity is something that exists by itself,

1Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF whom are all things,
and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, and we by him.

The ONE GOD the Father gave ALL authority to Jesus of Nazareth Who was MADE to be Lord and Christ: If you deny that John marks you as an antiChrist

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Denying the full humanity of Jesus by trying to make HIS Spirit now have the power is not redeemable because it tries to appropriate power and glory that belongs only to Jesus who is NOT the "another Comforter" according to John. Here is the necessary IDOLATRY when you speak of GODHEAD.

Defining a GODHEAD wiki says

The Trimrti (English: three forms; Sanskrit:trimrti) is a concept in Hinduism "in which the cosmic functions of creation, maintenance, and destruction are personified by the forms of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the maintainer or preserver and Shiva the destroyer or transformer," These three gods have been called "the Hindu triad"[3] or the "Great Trinity", often addressed as "Brahma-Vishnu-Maheshwara."

One type of depiction for the Trimurti shows three heads on one neck, and often even three faces on one head, each looking in a different direction.


By revealing the SINGULAR Jesus of Nazareth as bearing the fullness of God in visible or audible form, He INTENDED to repudiated the ALWAYS-PAGAN "families of gods" from whence people lust to remove CHRIST from their confession and become a Family of God.


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April 12th, 2013, 5:42 pm #16

You think "Godhead" is "pagan"? Fine. You don't like "entities"? Fine. That is straining at a gnat, but in this case it's fine nonetheless. Say instead: "the God of the universe in all His different manifestations"; or say instead: "the beings Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." However we differently perceive the existence of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit will neither limit their function nor alter who they really ARE, whether they are three-in-one or one-in-three or some other combination. It does not matter HOW we perceive their existence as divine <i>being(s) as long as we believe that they are spiritually REAL.</i>
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April 12th, 2013, 6:57 pm #17

The word is THEOS or GOD: Godhead is a pagan trinitarian heresy. Father, Spirit, Son are NOT entities: An entity is something that exists by itself,

1Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF whom are all things,
and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, and we by him.

The ONE GOD the Father gave ALL authority to Jesus of Nazareth Who was MADE to be Lord and Christ: If you deny that John marks you as an antiChrist

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Denying the full humanity of Jesus by trying to make HIS Spirit now have the power is not redeemable because it tries to appropriate power and glory that belongs only to Jesus who is NOT the "another Comforter" according to John. Here is the necessary IDOLATRY when you speak of GODHEAD.

Defining a GODHEAD wiki says

The Trimrti (English: three forms; Sanskrit:trimrti) is a concept in Hinduism "in which the cosmic functions of creation, maintenance, and destruction are personified by the forms of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the maintainer or preserver and Shiva the destroyer or transformer," These three gods have been called "the Hindu triad"[3] or the "Great Trinity", often addressed as "Brahma-Vishnu-Maheshwara."

One type of depiction for the Trimurti shows three heads on one neck, and often even three faces on one head, each looking in a different direction.


By revealing the SINGULAR Jesus of Nazareth as bearing the fullness of God in visible or audible form, He INTENDED to repudiated the ALWAYS-PAGAN "families of gods" from whence people lust to remove CHRIST from their confession and become a Family of God.


On second thought, I would refrain from referring to "Godhead" as "pagan," because "Godhead" appears three times in the KJV New Testament:

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device" (Acts 17:29).

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20).

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9).

BTW, "Godhead" is not found in the KJV Old Testament.
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April 12th, 2013, 9:06 pm #18

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Spirit OF Jesus Christ the Lord is the Holy Spirit!!!

That truth invalidates the doctrinal theory that the Holy Spirit is a person with a male gender identity.

Furthermore, numerous expressions associated with the "holy spirit" show possession for the following very significant reasons:

(1) Because the word "spirit" precedes the preposition "OF" as in "the spirit of"
(2) Because the word "spirit" follows the pronoun "HIS"


For the sake of simplification, consider the following expressions that identify "possession" or "that which belongs": the mind OF the child ... the big nose OF Durante ... her big mouth ... the unholy spirit OF man, etc. It means, respectively that the mind is not the child; that the mouth is not the person; that the unholy spirit is not the man.

There are innumerable references to the truth that the "holy spirit" is an entity or an attribute WHICH belongs to ______________:[/color]
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord (26 references in O.T.; Luke 4:18; Acts 5:9; 8:39; II Cor. 3:17,18)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF God (14 references in O.T.; 12 references in N.T.)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF our God (I Cor. 6:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the living God (II Cor. 3:3)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Christ (Rom. 8:9; I Peter 1:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Jesus Christ (Phil. 1:19)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Lord God (Isa. 61:1)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF His Son (Gal. 4:6)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the holy Spirit OF God (Eph. 4:30)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF the Father (Matt. 10:20)

    Plus, WHOSE Spirit [indicating possession] is it?

    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS Spirit that dwelleth in you (Rom. 8:11; I Cor. 2:10; I John 4:13)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. HIS holy Spirit (Isa. 63:10,11; I Thess. 4:8)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit OF Him that raised up Jesus (Rom. 8:11)
    </li>
  • That the Holy Spirit is a.k.a. the Spirit which is OF God (I Cor. 2:12) </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Hopefully, you've paid careful attention to reading and studying [NOT speed-reading] all the passages above.

Whether it is of the Lord ... or of God ... or of the living God ... or of the Father ... or of the Lord Jesus Christ: HIS SPIRIT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT; HIS SPIRIT DOES NOT INVENT, GENERATE OR CREATE ANOTHER HOLY SPIRIT!!![/color]
Colossians warns against the ALWAYS pagan God HEADS often pictured as we illustrated above even the "trinity" is illustrated as a three-headed person (people).

Our battle is against fallen angels who are PERFORMERS for the Kosmokrator or world ruler: Jesus refused to PRAY for the World and God HIDES from the WISE or sophists meaning preachers, singers and instrument players.

Paul makes it CERTAIN by speaking of GOD (not godhead) and defines the singular HEAD in the next verse. There is no good place to stop when you diligently seek and this is not a response.


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April 12th, 2013, 9:18 pm #19

"Godhead," "Father," "Son," and "Holy Spirit" are all good terms to remember.
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April 13th, 2013, 1:31 am #20

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Needless to say. (Thing is that there are now 4 entities. Which ones are beings or persons? Which ones are not beings?)

What would be helpful is to start rehearsing these expressions. Before you know it, you will come to understand that the holy spirit of the living God has never been separated [surgically or by whatever means] from a set of triplets.

When you grammarians like "B" REALLY KNOW the significance of the preposition "OF" [which indicates "possession" or "ownership" or "being a part of" or "that which belongs to," the following expressions will register in the back of your mind:[/color]
  • the spirit .......... OF God
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF our God
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF the living God
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF the Lord
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF the Lord God
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF the Father
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF Christ
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF Jesus Christ
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF His Son
    </li>
  • the spirit .......... OF Him
    </li>
  • the holy spirit ..... OF God (Eph. 4:30)
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