The Role of the Preacher

The Role of the Preacher

Joined: June 10th, 2006, 3:36 am

June 29th, 2006, 5:33 am #1

Here's what we expect from our preachers:

Preach on Sunday A.M. and P.M.
Provide spiritual guidance for marriages and other personal problems
Visit the sick
Visit members
Visit visitors
Teach a class
etc...

I would venture that some or all of these things apply at your local congregation if you are mainstream Church of Christ. However, are these roles really the roles of a preacher or have we unintentionally made these men de-facto Sheppards? Is this why it is so easy for a preacher to "take over" a congregation? Aren't the Elders responsible for the spiritual guidance of the flock?

Just some questions for discusion.

In Christ,
Mark F.
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

July 1st, 2006, 5:08 pm #2

Ephesians 4 does not include PREACHER in the congregation. Rather, the teachers of the congregation are PASTOR-TEACHERS which is a hyphenated word.

His rule is to "teach that which has been taught" and to "refute those who contradict it."

Obedience means to GIVE HEED to His teaching from Scripture and "watch the outcome of HIS life."

The church is EKKLESIA and is narrowly defined in Romans 14 specificially to EXCLUDE those things we INCLUDE. The role of the ekklesia or synagogue is to speak with ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH using "that which is written" which Paul defines as "scripture." The process produces EDUCATION, glorifying God who wrote the only LITERATURE, to Comfort through the Scriptures and thereby prevent DISUNITY.

The Preacher is the EVANGELIST and there are no "located travelling salesmen." Paul's example and direct command is that "if he will not work neither shall he eat." While roles authorize the DAILY DOLE of food for the Temple worker or the man who developes his OWN FLOCK or plants HIS OWN vineyard, you cannot charge for the FREE GOSPEL without attracting all of those who see godliness as a means of financial gain: that means as PROFESSION.

The preacher is the HERALD and he will be executed if he ALTERS the message sent from the king to the field commanders. Peter MARKED them by insisting that what would be left as a MEMORY must be taught without "private interpretation" which means further expounding. Paul told Timothy to give heed (a worship word) to the public reading of the Word, to exhorting people to obey that read portion and to explain any doctrinal content.

There was no confusion for hundreds of years.

<font color=blue>Plato, Laws [941a] Athenian

If anyone, while acting as ambassador [presb-eutês] or herald [kerus-preacher],
conveys false messages from his State to another State,
or fails to deliver the ACTA; message he was sent to deliver,
or is proved to have brought back, as ambassador or herald,

either from a friendly or hostile nation, their reply in a false form,--against all such there shall be laid an indictment for breaking the law by sinning against the sacred messages [apang-ellô] and injunctions of Hermes1 and Zeus, and an assessment shall be made of the penalty they shall suffer or pay,
<font color=red>Note 1 Son, and herald, of Zeus, and a master of speech (and of lies).</font>

The Laws EXCLUDED from any consideration any PHILOSOPHER or POET. That would mean that it is UNLAWFUL to hire a preacher who is a DOCTOR OF THE LAW or who is trained the HYPOCRITICAL SECTS' skills menaing "rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers, musicians or craftsmen." The latter are "theater builders and stage managers." John In Revelation 18 defines their role as that of SORCERY by which they deceived the nations.

If you have a performance preacher, jokester, clown, singer, musician or actor then you have HIRED those whom Jesus DESPISED as being Hypocrites.

<font color=blue>Plato, Laws [941b] Athenian

[941b] if convicted. Theft of property is uncivilized, open robbery is shameless: neither of these has any of the sons of Zeus practiced, through delight in fraud or force.

Let no man, therefore, be deluded concerning this
or persuaded either by poets
or by any perverse myth-mongers


into the belief that, when he thieves or forcibly robs,
he is doing nothing shameful,
but just what the gods themselves do.</font>1
  • <font color=red>1 Cp.Plat. Rep 378 ff., Plat. Rep. 388 ff. Hermes is specially in mind, as notorious for his thefts and frauds; cp. Homer Iliad 5. 390; 24. 395, etc.</font>
<font color=blue>That is both unlikely and untrue; and whoever acts thus unlawfully is neither a god at all nor a child of gods;</font>

I will post some BIBLICAL commands which demand the same thing. If you have anyone who us USED to suck in the SEEKERS (A Hitler term) you have been TAKEN CAPTIVE. There is NO ROLE for anyone to embellish the Word of God because that would BE a heretic.

And, you have NO mandate from the Bible and early church history be be a SOCIAL GOSPEL agency. You are CIRCUMSCRIBED by the demand to be a synagogue or SCHOOL of the Bible. Those who prospered gave to those who were DESTITUTE but there was never any LEGALISTIC CLAIM the church could make on its members. You MAY be in the worst kind of CULT not even kissing kin to what Jesus died for give us so that we can REST from RITUALS and the BURDEN LADERS.

If you are involved with a PERFORMANCE based church either preaching, music or acting, you should understand that all of history proves that you are in a deep psychological BONDAGE which automatically drives people MADE when they denounce their OLD RELIGION. As well known, they CRACK AWAY to an archaic form of RELIGIONISM which their primative brain NEEDS to cope with TOTAL LOSS of modern personhood.</font>
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Tod
Tod

January 4th, 2011, 5:53 pm #3

Here's what we expect from our preachers:

Preach on Sunday A.M. and P.M.
Provide spiritual guidance for marriages and other personal problems
Visit the sick
Visit members
Visit visitors
Teach a class
etc...

I would venture that some or all of these things apply at your local congregation if you are mainstream Church of Christ. However, are these roles really the roles of a preacher or have we unintentionally made these men de-facto Sheppards? Is this why it is so easy for a preacher to "take over" a congregation? Aren't the Elders responsible for the spiritual guidance of the flock?

Just some questions for discusion.

In Christ,
Mark F.
I have written a 440+ page book about this topic which is a terrible and largely ignored problem helping to push Churches of Christ into full-blown denominationalism.

In the end, the only thing pulpit preachers can claim is there exclusive work is their time in the pulpit. That is probably about an hour a week. If anyone else is expected to do what preachers do outside of the pulpit then it should be obvious that the work is NOT preacher work but Christian work. Why then is only the preacher paid to do it? Other people in churches study, teach, visit, evangelize and other assorted works, but only the preacher is paid for these works.

If anyone is interested in a free digital version of this book email me and I will send one along. There is much to consider. OR, it could be discussed in not too great of detail here.

Tod
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January 4th, 2011, 6:06 pm #4

The church just about evaporated into the wilderness when a flood of people "saw godliness as a means of financial gain" or profession.

http://www.piney.com/2.Peter.2.Instrume ... ption.html

It is not necessary to use any kind of deduction: Christ laid it down in black and white and the role of synagogue or ekklesia rules out a role for fabricating songs or sermons: to do so and claim that you are speaking the Word of Christ is probably blasphemy.

http://www.piney.com/Blasphemy.Against. ... pirit.html

Blasphemy in the prophets is much easier to fall into: to use your own imagination and sell it as the Word of Christ is blasphemy and will never be forgiven.

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Joined: December 28th, 2011, 8:36 pm

December 28th, 2011, 9:00 pm #5

Here's what we expect from our preachers:

Preach on Sunday A.M. and P.M.
Provide spiritual guidance for marriages and other personal problems
Visit the sick
Visit members
Visit visitors
Teach a class
etc...

I would venture that some or all of these things apply at your local congregation if you are mainstream Church of Christ. However, are these roles really the roles of a preacher or have we unintentionally made these men de-facto Sheppards? Is this why it is so easy for a preacher to "take over" a congregation? Aren't the Elders responsible for the spiritual guidance of the flock?

Just some questions for discusion.

In Christ,
Mark F.
The primary responsibility of the Pastor is to "feed the flock" - or better - to equip the saints for the work of the ministry. Visiting the sick/helping those in needs were responsibilities delegated to the Deacons so that the pastor/preacher could focus on the most important job of preaching the Word of God.

There is nothing wrong with the pastor being actively involved in those other ministries - and indeed he should be the leader of such work as a form of discipling others to do this work. But the pastor who is "required as a portion of his assigned duties" to do all the visitation and individual care must compromise in his time in study and preparation to do the "equipping".

Part of that equipping and "care and feeding of the flock" does include pastoral counseling, but again - when that becomes higher in priority than the preaching and teaching of God's Word - it becomes unscriptural.
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