The Progressive-Liberal 'COC' Pattern: King David's Music, Dance, Burnt Offerings

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March 15th, 2015, 7:03 pm #1

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]... and Nudity.

There is NOTHING from the New Testament that the change agents operating in the brotherhood to infiltrate, destroy and divide the New Testament church can offer.

What King David did had nothing to do with a congregational assembly. Whatever he did was personal, i.e., including his nudity and dancing, whether or not he considered his "services" worship, worshipful or acceptable to God.

Read and study the following few passages that deal not with "Acts of the Apostles" of the Christian era, but with "Acts of King David" under the Mosaic regime:
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]And it came to pass as they came, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet king Saul, with tabrets, with joy, and with instruments of musick.[/color] (I Samuel 18:6)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]And David spake to the chief of the Levites to appoint their brethren to be the singers with instruments of musick, psalteries and harps and cymbals, sounding, by lifting up the voice with joy.[/color] (I Chron. 15:16)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times][4] [Ye] That lie upon beds of ivory, and stretch themselves upon their couches, and eat the lambs out of the flock, and the calves out of the midst of the stall;
    [5] That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David;
    [6] That drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments:
    [/color] (Amos 6)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]And the servants of Achish said unto him, Is not this David the king of the land? did they not sing one to another of him in dances, saying, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands?[/color] (I Sam. 21:11)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]Is not this David, of whom they sang one to another in dances, saying, Saul slew his thousands, and David his ten thousands?[/color] (I Sam. 29:5)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.[/color] (II Sam. 6:14)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.[/color] (II Sam. 6:16)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD.[/color] (II Sam. 6:17)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself![/color] (II Sam. 6:20)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="3" face="times]And it came to pass, as the ark of the covenant of the LORD came to the city of David, that Michal the daughter of Saul looking out at a window saw king David dancing and playing: and she despised him in her heart.[/color] (I Chron. 15:29)</li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Facts about David of the old Mosaic regime:

-- An inventor of musical instruments,
-- A musical lover,
-- His practices were personal;
-- His practices had nothing to do with the assembly of saints;
-- His dealings with the Levites...
-- The ark of the covenant,
-- His dancing prowess/skills--"danced before the Lord";
-- His nudity "in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants"
-- His offer of burnt offerings and peace offerings...

The above is self-explanatory.

Beware!!! The progressive and liberal change agents will pick and choose which of David's practices and skills are applicable to New Testament Christianity!!!

Prepare ye! It may be "dancing before the Lord" next, if not already. But, of course, NOT "burnt offerings."[/color]
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March 15th, 2015, 7:31 pm #2

We have the same authority for David's music-induced naked dancing as leading congregational singing IN the temple.

I suggest that David set up a mass meeting in Nashville. I feel pretty certain that he could collect more "members" than a "worship team."

I actually heard a preacher use David's dance as an approved example. I suggested to an elder that we do it: We could collect all of the old, fat men. He suggested that he and I would certainly make the cut.
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March 15th, 2015, 8:24 pm #3


Ken, you may want to change your ban on singing from congregational singing to performance singing. (Donnie is in the house and it makes him quite nervous.
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March 16th, 2015, 12:02 am #4

Donnie enjoys "congregational singing" but he will tell you that there is no command for it.

I doubt that beginning about the prophesied c. ad 2000 time there is anything BUT performance singing. Churches will spend a fortune on a "worship leader" just so they can silence the dozen or so perfectly good song leaders. Having a hireling hire YOU a "worship leader" is as obscene as hiring you a lover for your wife.

The "musical" discorders will go to any extreme to chase away the owners to suck in those willing to pay for truly bad "performers." While they are attracting a few thousands or so the unsaved world population will increase a billion. Doesn't that prove that they were born without a GO BUTTON? That proves that they are aliens.
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March 16th, 2015, 12:31 am #5

Ken, you may want to change your ban on singing from congregational singing to performance singing. (Donnie is in the house and it makes him quite nervous.
[Honestly, I had already composed the following response to Just. I was interrupted ... and Ken beat me to posting mine first. Here it is following.]

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]When Paul and Silas prayed and sang [soprano and bass ] in prison, the prisoners HEARD them [probably didn't join in "congregational singing"]. That must have been a great event -- there was a great earthquake ... the foundations of the prison were shaken ... all the doors were opened ... every one's bands were loosed. I almost forgot: Paul and Silas were cast into prison, thrust into the inner prison.

"And a hymn being said, they went out unto mount Olivet" (Matt. 26:30, Douay-Rheims Bible).

Better yet -- "And when they had said an hymn, they went forth to the mount of Olives" (Mark 14:26, Douay-Rheims Bible).

Just, we've discussed this before -- the Catholic translation on occasion is correct. But how could this have been "congregational singing" without the women!

OK, the "Praise Team" or "Worship Team" had not been invented yet.

Neither was "congregational singing" in the modern Twila Paris or Amy Grant sense ... or even in the Protestant Reformation sense. So far as historical revelation or any scriptural reference, there is NO COMMAND for that type of congregational singing.

The Mormon Tabernacle Choir should have been there for Christ and the apostles when it was needed. [/color]
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March 16th, 2015, 12:02 pm #6

Donnie enjoys "congregational singing" but he will tell you that there is no command for it.

I doubt that beginning about the prophesied c. ad 2000 time there is anything BUT performance singing. Churches will spend a fortune on a "worship leader" just so they can silence the dozen or so perfectly good song leaders. Having a hireling hire YOU a "worship leader" is as obscene as hiring you a lover for your wife.

The "musical" discorders will go to any extreme to chase away the owners to suck in those willing to pay for truly bad "performers." While they are attracting a few thousands or so the unsaved world population will increase a billion. Doesn't that prove that they were born without a GO BUTTON? That proves that they are aliens.
Ken, no need to rat on Donnie. The air is a bit thin in the balcony and I'm sure Donnie is merely lip syncing anyway. If singing and IM are not authorized it's time to change Churches. Do you know of any good "speak only" local Churches?

Good Luck!

ps..I have some good links on "Authorized Worship" if you need them?
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March 17th, 2015, 1:49 am #7

You're just mad because Donnie can read "prepositions" and can decode the secret command only for those with A holy spirit:

SPEAK to one another in psalms, hymns and spiritual songs or "that which is written for our learning

I believe there are only two witnesses dislexia -free and cannot see it as:

SING all together using erotic praise songs.

Donnie told you over and over that there is no command to sing as a group in the whole Bible. Those who began singing the text or learning hymns quietly and reverently spawned children who rant and rave and insist that SING includes wind, string and percussion instruments: you know, the ones Christ said that Lucifer the singing and harp-playing prostitute brought into the garden of Eden where the serpent is a winding, devious form of CANTUS.

Donnie actually studied Bible: I studied engineering where someone gets killed by their own Sidewinder if they are liberated and "plug it in backward."

I read a little closer and found out that the chant, carmen, cantus words are primarily musical (never tuneful) monologs. The only time David sang with a group of females he lost his pants.

Repeat it: LEXIS and the LOGOS words are the OPPOSITE of ODE.
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April 11th, 2015, 2:49 pm #8

[Honestly, I had already composed the following response to Just. I was interrupted ... and Ken beat me to posting mine first. Here it is following.]

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]When Paul and Silas prayed and sang [soprano and bass ] in prison, the prisoners HEARD them [probably didn't join in "congregational singing"]. That must have been a great event -- there was a great earthquake ... the foundations of the prison were shaken ... all the doors were opened ... every one's bands were loosed. I almost forgot: Paul and Silas were cast into prison, thrust into the inner prison.

"And a hymn being said, they went out unto mount Olivet" (Matt. 26:30, Douay-Rheims Bible).

Better yet -- "And when they had said an hymn, they went forth to the mount of Olives" (Mark 14:26, Douay-Rheims Bible).

Just, we've discussed this before -- the Catholic translation on occasion is correct. But how could this have been "congregational singing" without the women!

OK, the "Praise Team" or "Worship Team" had not been invented yet.

Neither was "congregational singing" in the modern Twila Paris or Amy Grant sense ... or even in the Protestant Reformation sense. So far as historical revelation or any scriptural reference, there is NO COMMAND for that type of congregational singing.

The Mormon Tabernacle Choir should have been there for Christ and the apostles when it was needed. [/color]
God Sings!


Zephaniah 3:17 (NIV)

The Lord your God is with you,
the Mighty Warrior who saves.
He will take great delight in you;
in his love he will no longer rebuke you,
but will rejoice over you with singing.”


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God Used Them Anyway


· Moses stuttered.

· David's armor didn't fit.

· John Mark was rejected by Paul.

· Timothy had ulcers.

· Hosea's wife was a prostitute.

· Amos' only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning.

· Jacob was a pathological liar.

· David had an affair.

· Solomon was too rich.

· Abraham was too old.

· David was too young.

· Peter was afraid of death.

· Lazarus was dead.

· John was self-righteous.

· Naomi was a widow.

· Paul was a murderer.

· So was Moses.

· Jonah ran from God.

· Miriam was a gossip.

· Gideon and Thomas both doubted.

· Jeremiah was depressed and suicidal.

· Elijah was burned out.

· John the Baptist was a loudmouth.

· Martha was a worry-wart.

· Mary was lazy.

· Samson had long hair.

· Noah got drunk.

· Did I mention that Moses had a short fuse?

· So did Peter, Paul--well, lots of folks did.

https://sermons.logos.com/submissions/1 ... ons/120221

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April 11th, 2015, 3:35 pm #9

[Honestly, I had already composed the following response to Just. I was interrupted ... and Ken beat me to posting mine first. Here it is following.]

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]When Paul and Silas prayed and sang [soprano and bass ] in prison, the prisoners HEARD them [probably didn't join in "congregational singing"]. That must have been a great event -- there was a great earthquake ... the foundations of the prison were shaken ... all the doors were opened ... every one's bands were loosed. I almost forgot: Paul and Silas were cast into prison, thrust into the inner prison.

"And a hymn being said, they went out unto mount Olivet" (Matt. 26:30, Douay-Rheims Bible).

Better yet -- "And when they had said an hymn, they went forth to the mount of Olives" (Mark 14:26, Douay-Rheims Bible).

Just, we've discussed this before -- the Catholic translation on occasion is correct. But how could this have been "congregational singing" without the women!

OK, the "Praise Team" or "Worship Team" had not been invented yet.

Neither was "congregational singing" in the modern Twila Paris or Amy Grant sense ... or even in the Protestant Reformation sense. So far as historical revelation or any scriptural reference, there is NO COMMAND for that type of congregational singing.

The Mormon Tabernacle Choir should have been there for Christ and the apostles when it was needed. [/color]
Praise the Lord! Self-explanatory!


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Psalm 150


1Praise the Lord.


Praise God in his sanctuary;

praise him in his mighty heavens.

2Praise him for his acts of power;

praise him for his surpassing greatness.

3Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,

praise him with the harp and lyre,

4praise him with timbrel and dancing,

praise him with the strings and pipe,

5praise him with the clash of cymbals,

praise him with resounding cymbals.


6Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.


Praise the Lord.
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April 11th, 2015, 4:51 pm #10

God Sings!


Zephaniah 3:17 (NIV)

The Lord your God is with you,
the Mighty Warrior who saves.
He will take great delight in you;
in his love he will no longer rebuke you,
but will rejoice over you with singing.”


*****************


God Used Them Anyway


· Moses stuttered.

· David's armor didn't fit.

· John Mark was rejected by Paul.

· Timothy had ulcers.

· Hosea's wife was a prostitute.

· Amos' only training was in the school of fig-tree pruning.

· Jacob was a pathological liar.

· David had an affair.

· Solomon was too rich.

· Abraham was too old.

· David was too young.

· Peter was afraid of death.

· Lazarus was dead.

· John was self-righteous.

· Naomi was a widow.

· Paul was a murderer.

· So was Moses.

· Jonah ran from God.

· Miriam was a gossip.

· Gideon and Thomas both doubted.

· Jeremiah was depressed and suicidal.

· Elijah was burned out.

· John the Baptist was a loudmouth.

· Martha was a worry-wart.

· Mary was lazy.

· Samson had long hair.

· Noah got drunk.

· Did I mention that Moses had a short fuse?

· So did Peter, Paul--well, lots of folks did.

https://sermons.logos.com/submissions/1 ... ons/120221
You have given us a long list of PARALLELS to adding the warrior's instruments into a SCHOOL OF Christ in the Prophets and Apostles.

You are confessing that adding instruments is a mortal sin but God will USE them anyway.

I totally agree! God ALWAYS uses music and musicians to signal WARFARE and BURNING: I have no doubt that when Rick Atchley and all of the followers heard "a" spirit tell them to command instrumental praise (whatever that means: all of my instruments are lifeless instruments). The Spirit OF Christ warned:

And there shall be upon every lofty mountain and upon every high hill, water running in that day, when many shall perish, and when the towers shall fall. Isaiah 30:25

And the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be seven fold in the day when the Lord shall heal the breach of his people, and shall heal the pain of thy wound. Isaiah 30:26 LXX

Behold, the name of the Lord comes after a long time,
burning wrath; the word of his lips is with glory, a word full of anger,
and the anger of his wrath shall devour as fire. Isaiah 30:27 LXX
And his breath, as rushing water in a valley, reach reach as far as the neck, and be divided,
to confound the nations for their vain error;
error also shall pursue them and overtake them. Isaiah 30:28 LXX

Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually,
as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a PIPE as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord,
to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX
And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard,
and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger,
and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones. Is. 30:30

For through the voice of the LORD shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod. Is. 30:31
And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass,
which the Lord shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps:
and in battles of shaking will he fight with it. Isaiah 30:32KJV


The Assyrians dominated the Jewish religion and are on the attack once more: maybe the final battle.

No doubt about it: I have noted that the forced lying, cheating and stealing the church house and church life of widows is not THE SIN but THE SIGN that Jesus has been there and removed the "sorcerers" and lampstands from that lawless body and using the locusts or muses to make the final separating. God used them but GRACE (Jesus) teaches the SECT CALLED THE WAY to DENY them and MARK them. The ECUMENICAL which they confess along with equating themselves to sinners unsaved is almost every single person you can see, hear or smell as they profane the Lord's Day.
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