The Other Roman Catholic Trinity -- "Father, Son and Mother of God"

Bill
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January 2nd, 2014, 2:03 am #31

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill,

Railing against "the other side" -- Wow!!! You've repeatedly continued to present the Catholic Trinity as the truth, even while you're bashing this website. And all you do is recite the SAME PREMISE of the RCC and the pope. You're no exception to that "railing," Bill Crump.

We continue and will continue to expose the pagan and Catholic Creed that you adhere to and support. Get rid of that guilt of the feeling of being "considered" as an "antichrist." If you strongly believe that you are NOT "antichrist" by the Scripture's definition, then that "consideration" should not bother you.

Bill, you really ought to study prayerfully the Scriptures that debunk the man-made perception of "God's holy Spirit" as a SEPARATE BEING apart from God the Father and from His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Let's use a very simple analogy: "The nose OF Bill" does not make Bill's nose a separate person/being apart from Bill," does it?

Please don't make me say that you, a "grammar" expert, do not understand prepositions (of, in, etc.).
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Perhaps if you choose to "discuss" topics instead of posing yourself as the only voice of truth in the world while performing a hatchet job on those who don't agree with you, then you might see more people posting here. But then, you're probably not all that concerned about numbers of posters. If that's the case, then it's unfortunately "business" (such as it is) as usual.
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January 2nd, 2014, 2:05 am #32

"Spirits narrate things wholly false, and lie. When spirits begin to speak to man, care should be taken not to believe them, for most everything they say is made up by them, and they lie; so if we permitted them to relate what Heaven is, and how things are in Heaven, they would tell so many falsehoods, and with such strong assertion that man would be astonished; wherefore it was not permitted me when spirits were speaking to have any belief in what they stated. They love to feign. Whatever may be the topic spoken of, they think they know it, and if man listens and believes, they insist, and in various ways deceive and seduce."
Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772), Miscellaneous Works [1]


That's why God made certain that his meaning of "spirit" is BREATH. Only when the One God (Theos) BREATHED into the One Lord (Kurios) the product is the WORD of God: this is the same LOGOS as that which God "speaks" when He thinks (Father) and breathes (spirit) so that the WORD of God is the SON of God. I think, I breath out, I speak: I am not three people.
Father, Son and Spirit (mother) are NEVER the names of people, Divine or otherwise.

Father, spirit (mother) and son are ALWAYS PAGAN terms: When Jesus peaks it is almost always ANTITHESIS.

NAME is SINGULAR by Design. God perfectly informed any reader that Jesus Christ is the IMAGE of God but He is not GOD (Theos). God wanted us to see ONE ENTITY who fills all of the roles of the ALWAYS-PAGAN view that the ONE GOD is NOT one god but a family of gods, goddesses, and evil demons.

Father is NEVER the name of a Divine or earthly "people."
Spirit is never the name of a Divine Being.
Son is never the name of a person.

The ONE God is "named" Jehovah or I Am that I Am: "I exist, I don't need a Name."

The Spirit or Breath of God HAS no name: It is a HE because IT is the breath of a Male Deity.

The Son is not a Name: Jesus as Son was named Jesus. I am a son in the same sense and my name is Kenneth.

The Solitary Almighty is He in Whom we "live, move and have our being." He has no flesh, blood or bones. He is "never far from us" because He fills the whole universe and the other 9 dimensions.

I don't intend to spend 2014 listening to the claim that "My Father and I are TWO" which despises the Word and is therefore Blasphemy.

I will post studies as I feel the "spirit" but I don't intend to moderate "arguments from vacuity."
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January 2nd, 2014, 3:09 am #33

Perhaps if you choose to "discuss" topics instead of posing yourself as the only voice of truth in the world while performing a hatchet job on those who don't agree with you, then you might see more people posting here. But then, you're probably not all that concerned about numbers of posters. If that's the case, then it's unfortunately "business" (such as it is) as usual.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill,

NO ONE is forcing YOU to agree!!! And your viewpoints are being published. Including your COMMENTS (such as above) that have NOTHING to do with the specific topic being discussed.

You really have an attitude problem.

If you cannot handle discussing SPECIFICS and DETAILS, such as illustrating "the nose OF Bill" to make a point about prepositions, then, that is not another poster's problem. It becomes your problem.

Illustrating the preposition "OF" in the expression "the Spirit OF God" or "the Spirit OF Christ" is definitely a VALID ARGUMENT to prove ownership or possession and disprove your perception that "the Spirit" is APART FROM or a SEPARATE BEING from God or Christ.

Why is that so difficult for you to even acknowledge the proper grammatical structure of the expression when/where the preposition "OF" is involved?

Your rebuttal against proper usage of prepositions is important -- we want to know it -- not your usual bashing of the moderators and this website.

Bill, the preposition "OF" -- say something.[/color]
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January 2nd, 2014, 3:29 am #34

I'm aware of the plague of useless posts that Donnie and Ken have unloaded on this site to bash the Trinity. Donnie can't acknowledge the fact that the New Testament actually groups Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together as three. According to Donnie, if man refers to such a grouping as the "Trinity," then it is absolutely of pagan, Catholic origin. Instead, Donnie and Ken need to come to terms with and accept the three-part grouping that the New Testament mentions, rather than rail and agonize over it as they have so vainly done for far too long.

When we discuss the Trinity, let us keep three questions in mind:

Is a person's soul in jeopardy if he refers to the Bible-based grouping of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as the "Trinity"? Heaven forbid!

Is a person's soul in jeopardy if he sees the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three separate entites or even as three "persons"? Heaven forbid!

Is a person's soul in jeopardy if his view of the Trinity doesn't exactly match that of the moderators? The moderators would say yes, that person is a blasphemer and an antichrist. Oh, please, heaven forbid!!
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill,

There you go again ... your "soul in jeopardy" bit. Deviating from the substantive discussion of the Trinity Creed?

Your "grouping" methodology -- it doesn't prove anything.

We don't mind bashing the man-made Trinity doctrine because of what it teaches -- not because the word "Trinity" does not appear in the Bible.

Of course, it is your prerogative to defend the Catholic Trinity. It is also your prerogative to practice what the Trinity Creed teaches -- making the sign of the cross using the three fingers, according to "Francis de Sales." [/color]
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January 2nd, 2014, 3:52 am #35

The Scriptures are on the side of those who realize that "in the name of" is just another way of saying "by the authority of." Just as "in the name of the law" means "by the authority of the law," then "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matt. 28:19 KJV) is the same as saying "by the authority of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." The same could also be said as "in the name of the Father, and in the name of the Son, and in the name of the Holy Ghost." The same would also mean "by the authority of the Father, and by the authority of the Son, and by the authority of the Holy Ghost."

If Matt. 28:19 did not mean three distinct, heavenly beings, why did it list three? That's implying that the Bible said one thing but meant something else, which is rubbish. If the verse intended only one heavenly being, then that verse would have been rendered as something like "...baptizing them in the name of the Lord God." But no, the verse listed THREE beings--"in the name of [the three]" which is the same as "by the authority of [the three]."
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]There's no need to explain "by the authority of" -- we all know that.

The key point from all the verses associated with BAPTISM is the SINGULARITY of "the name" -- NOT PLURALITY of names:

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times]... baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matt. 28:19)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times]. . . be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins ... (Acts 2:38)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times]. . . be baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:48)

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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times]. . . they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 19:5)[/color]</li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]"In the NAME OF ..." is SINGULAR, Bill. One NAME!!! The Spirit of Christ is included in that name -- "the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."[/color]
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Bill
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January 2nd, 2014, 4:20 am #36

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill,

NO ONE is forcing YOU to agree!!! And your viewpoints are being published. Including your COMMENTS (such as above) that have NOTHING to do with the specific topic being discussed.

You really have an attitude problem.

If you cannot handle discussing SPECIFICS and DETAILS, such as illustrating "the nose OF Bill" to make a point about prepositions, then, that is not another poster's problem. It becomes your problem.

Illustrating the preposition "OF" in the expression "the Spirit OF God" or "the Spirit OF Christ" is definitely a VALID ARGUMENT to prove ownership or possession and disprove your perception that "the Spirit" is APART FROM or a SEPARATE BEING from God or Christ.

Why is that so difficult for you to even acknowledge the proper grammatical structure of the expression when/where the preposition "OF" is involved?

Your rebuttal against proper usage of prepositions is important -- we want to know it -- not your usual bashing of the moderators and this website.

Bill, the preposition "OF" -- say something.[/color]
When it comes to theology, everyone believes that his own view is correct. You, on the other hand, have this NEED, this craving for all people to agree with your theological views; when they don't, you respond with sarcasm and insults and insinuate that their very souls are in jeopardy. Thus, your attitude to all posters is, "You'd better agree with me or you'll suffer damnation, for God speaks through me and me alone!" That's the mark of a religious fanatic, and it's guaranteed to keep potential posters away, especially those who disagree with you. Maybe that's what you really have in mind.

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January 2nd, 2014, 6:39 am #37

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]"Souls are in jeopardy" -- that's not coming from me. I was quoting YOU.

Get to the point of what's being discussed, Bill. You keep deviating from the discussion with your psychological/philosophical analyses and remarks.

No, Bill, what I'm asking is very simple: When specific questions are directed to you, please at least acknowledge even if you need more time to respond -- and NOT completely ignore them with the hope that they will be forgotten.[/color]
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February 2nd, 2014, 6:44 pm #38

Father, Son and Spirit (mother) are NEVER the names of people, Divine or otherwise.

Father, spirit (mother) and son are ALWAYS PAGAN terms: When Jesus peaks it is almost always ANTITHESIS.

NAME is SINGULAR by Design. God perfectly informed any reader that Jesus Christ is the IMAGE of God but He is not GOD (Theos). God wanted us to see ONE ENTITY who fills all of the roles of the ALWAYS-PAGAN view that the ONE GOD is NOT one god but a family of gods, goddesses, and evil demons.

Father is NEVER the name of a Divine or earthly "people."
Spirit is never the name of a Divine Being.
Son is never the name of a person.

The ONE God is "named" Jehovah or I Am that I Am: "I exist, I don't need a Name."

The Spirit or Breath of God HAS no name: It is a HE because IT is the breath of a Male Deity.

The Son is not a Name: Jesus as Son was named Jesus. I am a son in the same sense and my name is Kenneth.

The Solitary Almighty is He in Whom we "live, move and have our being." He has no flesh, blood or bones. He is "never far from us" because He fills the whole universe and the other 9 dimensions.

I don't intend to spend 2014 listening to the claim that "My Father and I are TWO" which despises the Word and is therefore Blasphemy.

I will post studies as I feel the "spirit" but I don't intend to moderate "arguments from vacuity."
Ken, I'm ready to go also. The "Rancor" Enigma is now complete. Goodbye to all.
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February 17th, 2014, 8:03 pm #39

Father, Son and Spirit (mother) are NEVER the names of people, Divine or otherwise.

Father, spirit (mother) and son are ALWAYS PAGAN terms: When Jesus peaks it is almost always ANTITHESIS.

NAME is SINGULAR by Design. God perfectly informed any reader that Jesus Christ is the IMAGE of God but He is not GOD (Theos). God wanted us to see ONE ENTITY who fills all of the roles of the ALWAYS-PAGAN view that the ONE GOD is NOT one god but a family of gods, goddesses, and evil demons.

Father is NEVER the name of a Divine or earthly "people."
Spirit is never the name of a Divine Being.
Son is never the name of a person.

The ONE God is "named" Jehovah or I Am that I Am: "I exist, I don't need a Name."

The Spirit or Breath of God HAS no name: It is a HE because IT is the breath of a Male Deity.

The Son is not a Name: Jesus as Son was named Jesus. I am a son in the same sense and my name is Kenneth.

The Solitary Almighty is He in Whom we "live, move and have our being." He has no flesh, blood or bones. He is "never far from us" because He fills the whole universe and the other 9 dimensions.

I don't intend to spend 2014 listening to the claim that "My Father and I are TWO" which despises the Word and is therefore Blasphemy.

I will post studies as I feel the "spirit" but I don't intend to moderate "arguments from vacuity."
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Bill
Bill

February 17th, 2014, 10:51 pm #40

That's precisely why, in Matt. 28:19, being baptized "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" does NOT mean a literal, given name by which each one of the three principal, heavenly beings is called. Instead, "in the name of" is simply another way of saying "by the authority of." We are to be baptized by the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

If Matt. 28:19 had meant for us to be baptized in the literal, given name by which each one of the three principal, heavenly beings is called, it would have said for us to be baptized in the name of Jehovah, Jesus Christ, and ____ (for the Holy Spirit). But the Holy Spirit has no given name as such. Hence, lobbying for a given name for the Holy Spirit doesn't work; interpreting "in the name of" to mean "by the authority of" DOES work.

BTW, even though the Holy Spirit has no given name (that man knows of), that does not preclude it from being a distinct, heavenly being. The angels are also distinct, heavenly beings, despite the fact that the Bible mentions nothing about their given names, if they have any, with the exception of the given names of a few angels, such as Gabriel and Michael. And we all know that Lucifer was also once a heavenly angel who was cast out.
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