"The Holy Spirit Movement": Biblical-Campbell AntiTrinity

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November 26th, 2016, 11:49 pm #21

Contrary to the false accusations who say that "Alexander Campbell said he didn't object to the trinity but only the jargon" the REAL Campbell gives numerous reasons for rejecting the trinity because it was ANTI-Biblical and even ANTI-Christian since he said that they fail to give Jesus the MAN credit for what He did.

http://www.piney.com/HsACTrin.html

David Young and the North Boulevard slander existing Churches of Christ and plans to begin PLANTING 60,000 groups founded on The Discipling Dilemma.

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.The.Di ... lemma.html

We have noted that we pretended too long that the Progressive Churches build on the missional pattern (Apostles and Prophets not to be questioned." Their Unity in Diversity means that WE will IMPOSE the Diversity and you must get over it or get out of your house. These people try to restructure the personality to enable one to be a good cult member: Scripture calls that witchcraft or Sorcery and it denies the Power of the Gospel already formed into songs and sermons and PATTERN for A School of the Word only. Cancers Grow but the LITTLE FLOCK will be despised and cast out of theirown synagogue. It is no longer lying when you become Purpose Driven to LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.<b></b>

Musical instruments in making war were INTENDED to make the lambs dumb so you can SET AMBUSH.

David Young In Step With The Holy Spirit best illustrates the PostBiblical, postmodern view that Existing Churches cannot appeal to the post-computer youth. In fact, the youth have usually bailed out very young because they are demeaned by the "spirit of entertainment" and fail to have any coherent knowledge of the Scriptures men are hired to teach as that ONE PIECE PATTERN for the Church. This is a Movement fed by Spiritual Formation including Lectio-Divina. This includes IGNATIAN MEDITATIONS rejecting the rational or LOGOS and claiming that by meditating on one thought or word "a" spirit will tell them what the text means. That makes the same text Jesus spoke obsolete. For instance:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Walkin ... pirit.html

David Young and the Elders mock the old "Modern" Churches of Christ for teaching that the Baptism of the Spirit was promised only to the ELEVEN in the upper room. The 40 days of prayer which God poured on Israel is a TEST but is used to ENFORCE the notion that a SPIRIT person is going to affirm their hidden agenda.

First claim which Scripture calls UNtrue Jesus Christ is fully God and fully human. He is the eternal Son of God who took on humanity in order to save us.

You couldn't have read the Word by READING the Word as the "free water of the Word"

They refute the Epistles other than to reject the "traditional understanding.

The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God who personally dwells in believers for the sake of transforming them into Jesus’ likeness. He transforms us by convicting us of sin, producing fruit in us, giving us gifts for service, marking us as believers, and, in general, leading us to follow the will of God.

God poured out Spirit ON the Eleven and then Paul: Spirit is WORD for those who articulate it. "Poured our" is the root of Rhema which is the spoken LOGOS: its root is from Flowing Water.

But to the trinitarians the father is god, the son is god and the holy spirit is God. However, Holy means pure and not contaminated: God is WHOLLY Spirit without flesh and blood. Spirit literally means WIND but it is used figuratively of the BREATH of God. God as the Spirit OF Christ breathed on the prophets: God defined the REST for the godly Jews and for everyone AFTER the Jewish clergy as Priests and Levites were defunded: God makes covenants with the LAITY and never with Priests or Levites.

We want to be FULL of the Spirit. The Holy Spirit inspired the apostles and prophets, and the Word of God is a fundamental tool of the Holy Spirit. (Genesis 1:2; Ezekiel 36:26-27; Joel 2:28-29; Matthew 3:11; John 3:6-8; 14:15-17; Acts 2:14-39; Romans 8; 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 3:1-17; Galatians 5:22-23; Ephesians 1:13; Colossians 1:9)

This is the ANTITHESIS of what Jesus said:

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Eph. 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the WILL [commands] of the Lord is.
Eph. 5:18 And be not drunk [fluted down] with wine, wherein is excess; but be FILLED with the Spirit;

The exact Parallel to Colossae and us:

Col. 3:16 Let the WORD of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace IN your hearts to the Lord.

As promised, Jesus having received the PROMISE or ROLE as Holy Spirit (breath) returned on Pentecost and "poured out what you see and hear."

Matt. 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father:
and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;
neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son,
and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

The SPIRIT or Breath was God the Father. The Word or Revelation is what Jesus Speaks. Jesus in Spirit and not another god person "guided the Apostles into ALL truth." Peter said that the memory he was leaving was not subject to private interpretation or further expounding: that would DENY that God breath truth in the Prophets and made them more certain ONLY by Jesus Christ.

To say that the Spirit OF God or His BREATH is one of the THREE GODS denies that only Jesus as Son speaks for the Father and there is not A SECOND intercessor.

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his WORD, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

The WORD is the LOGOS or Regulative Principle of god and not another "god" person: Logos is opposite to Rhetoric, singing, playing instruments, acting, personal opinions or personal experiences. Christ said of those who do not SPEAK the Word THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM

The Kairos Church Planting Plot denies that existing Churches of Christ are competent for the AFTER COMPUTER era and they will use YOUR money to plant up to 60,000 new groups which will follow the Worship Team-Instrumental pattern. That's fine: I have noted that the only PERSONIFIED SPIRIT is Abaddon or Apollon who is the Leader of the Muses.

Judas as the Son of Perdition means that he is the son of Apollon-abaddon. Kairos time is the right time to launch an attack. Kairos is hermes, mercury the ANTI Christ Logos of the pagans including the Jews "turned over to worship the starry host." Self-Pleasure outlawed in Romans 1 because this was REPROACHING Jesus or EXPOSING HIS NAKEDNESS. Judas is well documented on "Vessels of Clay" for the readers: The Judas bag or box--he was a thief--is always attached to a flute-case.

This is a picture representing David going naked with the girls and what God sees in horrors as Jesus returns and removes the Lamps (seven spirits) as well as the singers and instrument players from His Book of Life. They seem to have been excluded because they HAD deceived thw whole world once.

This is why up to half of the paying audience flees: if you are "growing" then do a body count and see that most of the faithful have been raptured out.



The Word is Dabar in Hebrew or Logos in Greek: whatever God commands or does is by the Logos which is His regulative or governing principle. This is the ANTITHESIS of the pagan Logos such as Hermes, Mercury or Kairos. He is the "god" and creator--like Jubal--of musical instruments He used his lyre to make Apollon's cows walk backward so they could not be found. To appease Apollon, Hermes gave him his lyre made of a turtle shell and sinews. Apollo in various forms is the sun god to which God abandoned the Jews.

FREQUENTLY to contradict human myths or legends God used the MAN Jesus of Nazareth as an image of the true Lord-God Who is not part of a familyy of Gods. Contradicting ancient and modern musical performance in the name of God, the LOGOS is in WORDS which can be either READ or SPOKEN but never SUNG. The purpose is to TEACH and COMFORT God's Little Flock (almost invisible and inaudible) and, like the synagogue, quarantine those not OF the World, Kosmos or Ecumenical.

Without the ability to look where Scripture points those OF the World are made deaf and blind so that they cannot READ the Word or HEAR it when it is PREACHED by being READ. (2 Cor 3).

Words cannot really be defined even now without the context. The ABSOLUTE body of literature uses LOGOS to exclude whatever it is you will pay for in the morning.

Jesus assured the Apostles that if they speak the WORD as He spoke ONLY what God breathed into him they would stir up the most violent response.



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November 27th, 2016, 12:16 am #22

Wrong Donnie. Ken is a false teacher who spreads confusion and division through his Greek mythology mingled with Scriptures he has twisted. Ken takes away the key to knowledge as Jesus references in Luke 11:52. Ken espouses not singing to God and not worshiping with saints anywhere. He has yet to list a church that is sound, as Racnor requested in another thread. Ken does nothing to spread the gospel to the lost nor to edify the saved.

Donnie, you are no better. You will answer to God for all of this. For every newborn Christian in the C of C who has had to digest this filth and for every way you have communicated and brought out the worst in Christians, starting with yourself. This site is garbage and you likely know it. You are a nobody in the church because you have wasted your time in this dishonorable and trashy way. You are pathetic and need to repent. You need to shut this thing down in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to whom belongs glory forever. Jesus can restore your soul and the joy of your salvation if you will trust and obey. I imagine right now you cannot fathom what it would be like to not judge a Christian, preacher, or congregation for a single day for having different viewpoints than you. The gospel of Christ and God Himself can work a miracle in your life and set you free. What do you say?
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Thanks for the compliment, Stan.

To me personally, you've just spoken highly of my (and probably of Ken's) alignment with the Restoration Movement of the church of Jesus Christ in America and its leaders, and more importantly with the teachings of Christ and his apostles.

It's quite easy to recognize the ignorance on the part of some in the last couple of generations who claim to be members of the church of Christ but are seemingly unfamiliar with the N.T. principles of the R.M. Unfortunately, because of the takeover of our "Christian" universities and mega churches by the change agents, true ministers and teachers of the gospel are no longer in abundance. I'm afraid, based on your "very kind" post above, you have gone along and aligned yourself with the change agents who have acquired much of their beliefs and practices from denominational neighbors.

The best we can do is to continue to teach others scriptural matters. We have presented scripture after scripture to inform and perhaps convince readers to return to the New Testament for scriptural doctrinal matters and guidance. Evidently, that has gone in one ear out the other because of years and years of brainwashing. It explains why acquired beliefs and teachings from "others" are familiar to the brainwashed, and New Testament teachings are suddenly new and in unfamiliar territory.

Speaking of judgment, apparently I've just been judged by a [I think: pious) human being. I think his name is Stan. That's OK. Since I intend to continue studying the Scripture -- the word of God will continue to be my spiritual sword. If "musical worship" is of higher priority to anyone than seeking the truth, that's his/her prerogative -- then go for it![/color]
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November 27th, 2016, 12:19 am #23

It is probably that ALL of the people who suddenly heard voices or saw visions (which they cast) claim The Holy Spirit as the author of their claim that God's curse on the Levites is now the spirit commanding them to impose "instrumental praise." They are not lying when they contradict the masses of teaching in the Scriptures because THEY now have received a new Hermeneutics (the KAIROS principle) telling everyone else that they are BC or Before Computers.

David Young and others claim that the Baptism of The Holy Spirit was not limited to the eleven Scripture limits as well as to Paul. Jesus said that Paul had to SE HIM AND hear HIM just like the original Eleven.

Some have bonded together and annointed each other with holy spirit and power as Apostles. The Missional Church in fact claims to have apostles and prophets and no one must question them. The Apostle CAST A VISION and everyone must conform.

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November 27th, 2016, 12:22 am #24

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November 27th, 2016, 12:30 am #25

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Thanks for the compliment, Stan.

To me personally, you've just spoken highly of my (and probably of Ken's) alignment with the Restoration Movement of the church of Jesus Christ in America and its leaders, and more importantly with the teachings of Christ and his apostles.

It's quite easy to recognize the ignorance on the part of some in the last couple of generations who claim to be members of the church of Christ but are seemingly unfamiliar with the N.T. principles of the R.M. Unfortunately, because of the takeover of our "Christian" universities and mega churches by the change agents, true ministers and teachers of the gospel are no longer in abundance. I'm afraid, based on your "very kind" post above, you have gone along and aligned yourself with the change agents who have acquired much of their beliefs and practices from denominational neighbors.

The best we can do is to continue to teach others scriptural matters. We have presented scripture after scripture to inform and perhaps convince readers to return to the New Testament for scriptural doctrinal matters and guidance. Evidently, that has gone in one ear out the other because of years and years of brainwashing. It explains why acquired beliefs and teachings from "others" are familiar to the brainwashed, and New Testament teachings are suddenly new and in unfamiliar territory.

Speaking of judgment, apparently I've just been judged by a [I think: pious) human being. I think his name is Stan. That's OK. Since I intend to continue studying the Scripture -- the word of God will continue to be my spiritual sword. If "musical worship" is of higher priority to anyone than seeking the truth, that's his/her prerogative -- then go for it![/color]
Donnie, give up this obsession of yours. Love people and accept there are differences, some minor some major. Trust in the blood of Jesus to forgive all misunderstandings and misinterpretations including your own within the brotherhood. Our brother John Waddey fought this same agenda up to the very end of his life. Will you and Ken do the same or at last repent? I will be singing tomorrow at church without instruments. Will you be doing the same singing at a congregation tomorrow?
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November 27th, 2016, 1:11 am #26

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]You must have misunderstood my earlier message. That's OK. That was expected.

This religious discussion forum is doing just that -- allow different viewpoints to be published. What makes you think that that is not the case? So, there's nothing to change there. This forum will continue to teach and teach the truth. And that happens to be my obsession.

I would urge you to preach to yourself once-in-a-while. OK? If nothing else, try to re-read your last posts to yourself, as if they came from someone else and were directed to you. It wouldn't be a bad thing, I assure you.[/color]
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November 27th, 2016, 1:26 am #27

Donnie, I have a few Scriptural questions for you.

Galatians 3:2-3
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

and

Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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November 27th, 2016, 1:46 am #28

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Thanks for the compliment, Stan.

To me personally, you've just spoken highly of my (and probably of Ken's) alignment with the Restoration Movement of the church of Jesus Christ in America and its leaders, and more importantly with the teachings of Christ and his apostles.

It's quite easy to recognize the ignorance on the part of some in the last couple of generations who claim to be members of the church of Christ but are seemingly unfamiliar with the N.T. principles of the R.M. Unfortunately, because of the takeover of our "Christian" universities and mega churches by the change agents, true ministers and teachers of the gospel are no longer in abundance. I'm afraid, based on your "very kind" post above, you have gone along and aligned yourself with the change agents who have acquired much of their beliefs and practices from denominational neighbors.

The best we can do is to continue to teach others scriptural matters. We have presented scripture after scripture to inform and perhaps convince readers to return to the New Testament for scriptural doctrinal matters and guidance. Evidently, that has gone in one ear out the other because of years and years of brainwashing. It explains why acquired beliefs and teachings from "others" are familiar to the brainwashed, and New Testament teachings are suddenly new and in unfamiliar territory.

Speaking of judgment, apparently I've just been judged by a [I think: pious) human being. I think his name is Stan. That's OK. Since I intend to continue studying the Scripture -- the word of God will continue to be my spiritual sword. If "musical worship" is of higher priority to anyone than seeking the truth, that's his/her prerogative -- then go for it![/color]
Dianna's thread affirms what Scripture, recorded history and modern medical science proves: the hypocritic arts such as rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or acting literally switches off the Left-Rational-Spiritual hemisphere. She has shown that brain scans do not even light up when something conflicting with the emotions is heard. That is why God's plan is restricted to SPEAK and READ and the only resources "that which is written for our learning." Anything beyond a School of The Word which DISCIPLES understand and you are in danger of a Cult. The Spirit OF Christ in Ezekiel warns of Women who CAPTURE SOULS in a basket. The basket is defined in Amos 8 as dogs or catamites carrying their "symbols" to arouse yu

One might suspect that Stan is preaching internet sermons or teaching that WHICH IS NOT write for our learning and living out of widow's purses or working people. Bible students understand that there is no collective organization with authority to solicit money. I would just warn people that unless they teach THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT without any opinions that they had better not be caught dead with widow's flesh still in their teeth.

Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him,
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Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders,
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but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them,
<font>.....</font>Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written,
<font>.....</font>This people honoureth me with their LIPS, but their heart is far from me.
Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me,
<font>.....</font>teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (songs, sermons)
Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God,
<font>.....</font>ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups:
<font>.....</font>and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:9 And he said unto them,
<font>.....</font>Full well ye reject the commandment of God,
<font>.....</font>that ye may keep your own tradition. </font>

I can understand the terror of the official Tea Taster when told that there is no longer a job.



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November 27th, 2016, 2:01 am #29

Donnie, I have a few Scriptural questions for you.

Galatians 3:2-3
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

and

Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Stan: Galatians 3:2-3
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


God BREATHED (spirit) and Jesus SPOKE the WORD or Logos. Paul had read what Jesus said:

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.
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Therefore, the people received the "spirit" by listening to the WORD.

2Cor. 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


Letter and spirit connect to the New tesament. Paul connects spirit to flesh and never to a spirit god person.

Spirit defined by the Greeks is the true meaning of the LETTER: most people can read the letter but cannot grasp the spirit contained.

The LETTER: Speak to yourselves with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs (all Scripture)

Almost everyone for 2,000 years SEE that is:

SING your own writing





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December 2nd, 2016, 2:55 pm #30

The Word is Dabar in Hebrew or Logos in Greek: whatever God commands or does is by the Logos which is His regulative or governing principle. This is the ANTITHESIS of the pagan Logos such as Hermes, Mercury or Kairos. He is the "god" and creator--like Jubal--of musical instruments He used his lyre to make Apollon's cows walk backward so they could not be found. To appease Apollon, Hermes gave him his lyre made of a turtle shell and sinews. Apollo in various forms is the sun god to which God abandoned the Jews.

FREQUENTLY to contradict human myths or legends God used the MAN Jesus of Nazareth as an image of the true Lord-God Who is not part of a familyy of Gods. Contradicting ancient and modern musical performance in the name of God, the LOGOS is in WORDS which can be either READ or SPOKEN but never SUNG. The purpose is to TEACH and COMFORT God's Little Flock (almost invisible and inaudible) and, like the synagogue, quarantine those not OF the World, Kosmos or Ecumenical.

Without the ability to look where Scripture points those OF the World are made deaf and blind so that they cannot READ the Word or HEAR it when it is PREACHED by being READ. (2 Cor 3).

Words cannot really be defined even now without the context. The ABSOLUTE body of literature uses LOGOS to exclude whatever it is you will pay for in the morning.

Jesus assured the Apostles that if they speak the WORD as He spoke ONLY what God breathed into him they would stir up the most violent response.



When Ken floods the thread with muddy water, it's time to go.


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