That Ain't No Pan

Dave
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August 23rd, 2015, 12:44 pm #1

Revelations 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Speaks of HORNS like a lamb, not a body, so where you get a pan out of this Scripture? Someone has been listening to false tales and liking fables for too long. As I TOLD YOU before, God takes away man's ability to understand and makes him unable to read black text on white paper when he refuses to adhere to God's plan
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August 23rd, 2015, 5:11 pm #2

1Cor. 10:6 Now these things were our examples [PATTERNS], to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Cor. 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Cor. 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
1Cor. 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.


We have noted that DEVILS are those who music and claim to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD

PLAY is to sing, play instruments which is always known to produce men playing with men (Romans 1)

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August 23rd, 2015, 10:12 pm #3

Revelations 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Speaks of HORNS like a lamb, not a body, so where you get a pan out of this Scripture? Someone has been listening to false tales and liking fables for too long. As I TOLD YOU before, God takes away man's ability to understand and makes him unable to read black text on white paper when he refuses to adhere to God's plan
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August 24th, 2015, 1:51 am #4

Ken said "We have noted that DEVILS are those who music and claim to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD
PLAY is to sing, play instruments which is always known to produce men playing with men (Romans 1)"

WE means YOU, not you and the Scriptures....for if YOU teach that....you are a false teacher.
You are NOT speaking that which is written, but what Ken Sublett has derived in his own mind. The Scriptures do NOT support what YOU believe to be true.

What is worse....YOU KNOW that Romans 1 concerns homosexuality but IN NO WAY is connected to music. That is YOUR ideals and Ken's Theology only.

2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
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August 24th, 2015, 2:28 am #5

That's just one reason why I don't read much of anything that Ken posts anymore. Another reason is all the pagan mythology that he presents. Of all the verses in the KJV that deal with mythology, only 10.5 percent of those verses are in the New Testament. Yet Ken presents mythology as if that's the prime focus for Christians, which is just not the case.
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August 24th, 2015, 2:33 am #6

Ken said "We have noted that DEVILS are those who music and claim to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD
PLAY is to sing, play instruments which is always known to produce men playing with men (Romans 1)"

WE means YOU, not you and the Scriptures....for if YOU teach that....you are a false teacher.
You are NOT speaking that which is written, but what Ken Sublett has derived in his own mind. The Scriptures do NOT support what YOU believe to be true.

What is worse....YOU KNOW that Romans 1 concerns homosexuality but IN NO WAY is connected to music. That is YOUR ideals and Ken's Theology only.

2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
The Book of Enoch and parallel documents represent the Jew's version including the fall into Instrumental-Trinitarian worship: the word is PLAY which includes singing, dancing, clapping, playing instruments AND playing with one another. The WOMEN were the Hireophants or Demons or spirits.

Paul repeats the same story in Romans 1; Romans 9-10 and 1 Corinthians 10 where the PLAY meant playing instruments and DEMON worship.

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise [Sophos: speakers, singers, instrument players], they became fools,
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie,
and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,
who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, nd worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

arsēn , ho, hē, arsen, to, gen. arsenos

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


1Cor. 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

paizō ,2. esp. dance, “paisate”
4. play on a musical instrument,dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16.
5. play amorously,
6. hunt, pursue game, “

SCRIPTURE AND OTHER HISTORY KNOWS NO EXCEPTION OF RELIGIOUS MUSICIANS CLAIMING TO LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD. Can a group lie, cheat and steal the property of others just so they can 'thuse over boy and girl singers. We noted that the spirit leader of the muses (locusts) is Abaddon-Apollon. These graces and muses are documented as dirty adulteresses. Paul commanded that they be silent (along with the men) because in all of the silent passages the Women claimed that the TRUTH ORIGINATED WITH THEM.

Of Miriam: "While she may have been called a prophetess [sorceress] because she was a wife of a prophet it is more likely that she had been a prophetess in Egypt which meant that she was a priestess with intercessory authority. Miriam and a band of trained women went out in a mind-altering song and dance with instruments common to Egypt but not common to Israel. This has been interpreted as not just a "victorious" dance but a well-established cultic activity of a priestess with unquestioned authority - which she even tried out on God.

"We know that all of the Israelites brought Egyptian gods and practices with them and it is not far-fetched to think that Miriam, who had not yet been exposed to the Covenant, was part of the consciousness-altering rhythms and which was part of a priestly myth-play brought to destructive consummation at Mount Sinai as the golden calf was called back into action.

This "rising up to play" involved eating, drinking, nakedness and musical worship. The goddess, Hathor, is the best candidate for the Mother Goddess of the Mount Sinai idolatry. Here priestessess or prophetesses were highly trained with musical instruments, cultic songs and be able to join in the religious dance.

"Music and drugs were co-consiprators in religious ecstasy. They may have used some product of the sycamore fig which both intoxicated and induced an altered state of consciousness. The ergo of barley was well known.

"On the other hand, other sources, specifically relating to the customs of the East, refer to the dance as a slow, grave, and solemn gesture, generally accompanied with singing and the sound of the timbrel!

"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

"In the New Testament there is nowhere any emphasis laid on the musical form of the hymns; and in particular none on instrumental accompaniment whereas this is significantly paganism." (Delling, Gerhard, Worship in the New Testament, trans. Percy Scott Phil. Westminster press, 1962, p. 86).





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August 24th, 2015, 2:48 am #7

That's just one reason why I don't read much of anything that Ken posts anymore. Another reason is all the pagan mythology that he presents. Of all the verses in the KJV that deal with mythology, only 10.5 percent of those verses are in the New Testament. Yet Ken presents mythology as if that's the prime focus for Christians, which is just not the case.
You remember what I told you about people who do not love the Word? God sends then strong delusions so they believe their own lies and be damned.

Since you don't read my stuff--that's fine just leave it unmolested--you twisted my emphasis which I will correct for the READERS of WRITING or maybe REEDERS OF RIGHTING for the non-readers.

ALL of the Bible beginning with Genesis 1 is to REFUTE the pagan religions. It does not matter whether the Dung God existed or not, we know that the Jews ate the sacrifices (dung).

It does not matter whether Apollo, Apollon or Abaddon existed, the Musical Idolaters have NO other spirit telling them to IMPOSE instruments knowing that you will so massive discord and make yourselves look like the music aroused "players" at Mount Sinai.

You should not presume to disassemble an atomic bomb without reading the instructions. Is that why they wouldn't let you operate on dead bodies? (smile-almost).

You are dumber than a The-O-Lite since you cannot remotely comprehend the ANSWER since you refuse to grasp the QUESTIONS. Or the Christian ANTITHESIS of the Pagan THESIS which the writers ALWAYS define before giving the Christian view.

If you say that I build my theology on ancient or modern paganism you need to let someone wash out your mouth with lie soap.
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August 24th, 2015, 4:47 pm #8

Revelations 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Speaks of HORNS like a lamb, not a body, so where you get a pan out of this Scripture? Someone has been listening to false tales and liking fables for too long. As I TOLD YOU before, God takes away man's ability to understand and makes him unable to read black text on white paper when he refuses to adhere to God's plan
Musical Worship Teams Effeminate.
http://www.piney.com/MuFemin.html

ANY kind of body or vocal arts and crafts claiming a wage for ENHANCING the word of Jesus Christ you are in the presence of, according to Plato, a "gender bleed" which just grows and grows with each performance. That's why the old owners get replaced by those seeking a show and tell.

"Philodemus considered it paradoxical that music should be regarded as veneration of the gods while musicians were paid for performing this so-called veneration. Again, Philodemus held as self deceptive the view that music mediated religious ecstasy. He saw the entire condition induced by the noise of cymbals and tambourines as a disturbance of the spirit.


This is what Jesus called the LADED BURDEN and Paul called SELF PLEASURE: this excludes all of the DECEPTIVE claims to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD: The wimber lady and Plato knew that that "religious" experience is a sexual experience.

He found it significant that, on the whole, only women and effeminate men fell into this folly.
Accordingly, nothing of value could be attributed to music; it was no more than a slave of the sensation of pleasure, which satisfied much in the same way that food and drink did.


And from Philo.

"Now, many a man from the false religions, which are not ashamed of criticising what is noble, will ask: how can there be a feast without carousing and overeating, without the pleasant company of hosts and guests, without quantities of unmixed wine, without richly set tables and highly stacked provisions of everything that pertains to a banquet, without pageantry and jokes,

bantering and merry-making to the accompaniment of flutes and citharas, the sound of drums and cymbals and other effeminate and frivolous music of every king,

enkindling unbridled lusts with the help of the sense of hearing. For in and through the same [pleasures] those persons openly seek their joy, for what true joy is their they do not know.


"Women's singing was a vital part of all pagan worship. In very early times women became priestly singers of the gods in the temple.

Women and girls from the different ranks of society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and musicians. The understanding of this service was universal: these singers constituted the 'harem of the gods'." ("father" Quasten)

On the other hand, of the "praise" singing connected to making war their practices were defined by the word Hillel, Judgex 12:13.

DAVID'S HALAL AND THEREFORE ALL "PRAISE SINGING" PRETENDING TO BRING YOU INTO GOD'S PRESENCE BY STIMULATING ALL OF THE PLEASURE CENTERS.



The Christ Ordained One-Piece Pattern from the wilderness and never changed.



Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that PREACH him, being READ in the synagogues every sabbath [REST DOES NOT MEAN BODY WORSHIP] day.

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August 24th, 2015, 10:12 pm #9


48 TALES OF PAN also to the land of the acorn-eaters.3 The League of Megalopolis chose him as the emblem of Arcadian unity, next to Zeus Lykaios.4 Of one thing there is no doubt: all the Greeks thought Pan an Arcadian. Down to the beginning of the fifth century, his cult did not travel beyond the Péloponnèse.5 Only after his introduction into Athens, soon after Marathon, do we find an increase in Attica,6 and slightly later in Boeotia,7 of evidence for a non-Arcadian piety concerned with Pan. Then the cult rapidly diffuses over nearly the whole Greek world: to Illyria (Apollonia)8 and the Ionian islands (Cephalonia—see plate l ) 9 and as far as Thrace (Ainos),10 not forgetting the important cults of Delphi (the Corycian cave),11 Macedonia,12 and Thasos.13 Pan impressed himself on the Hellenic consciousness in the image of this goat-footed monster with his sweet smile, at once animal and goatherd, with his active and unlucky sexuality, a musician able absolutely to disrupt the psycho-physiological balance of an individual by possession and the cohesion of a human group by panic. The religion of Pan that grew up in the classical period legitimized on the margins of the city—with a more than marginal impact on social behavior—the presence of a hybrid figure who joined the satyrs, the silenoi, and the centaurs.14 Pan was, however, of more importance because, in contrast to these creatures, who existed only in myth or in the theater, he was a true god who received a cult. From the start, the Athenians and the Greeks in general set up this cult in grottoes,15 natural sanctuaries actually or symbolically16 at some distance from the urban centers. Pan joined the other gods, proper to a pastoral religion, thought of as already present in these places: Hermes and the nymphs,17 Apollo

The "Alexandrian" myth of Echo, which some call a delicate and naive invention, provides one key to the symbolism of panic and permits an exact statement of the relation between panic and another of Pan's powers, seduction. The myth of Syrinx, in turn, brings to the surface a network of relations, otherwise hidden, that link panic music with the sexuality of the yet-to-be-married;

Pan, speak to the flocks, as they graze, your divine message, in your curved lip the golden reeds, so that they may bear an abundant gift of white milk thick in their udders to the house of Clymcnos and for you it shall be well when the husband of goats stands by your altar and pours from his shaggy chest his life's blood."227 The poet here attributes to the god's music a power elsewhere expressed in the image of a sexual union with animals. The "divine message" (or "sacred voice": hieron phatin) of the syrinx brings about an abundance of milk. The herdsman responds to this music by sacrificing a he-goat; this is precisely a sign that he understands its meaning and recognizes its effect. Another epigram, by Philippus of Thessaloniki (beginning of the first century B.C.) also mentions the sacrifice of a he-goat; without say ing anything in particular about the action of the god,

Pan and the world of pas­toral are brought in to sharpen our sense of the sexual situation: the goatherd feels the pangs of love; the god incites an irresistible passion. Ο Pan, you who keep the lovely plain on Homole, Bring the boy uninvited into his loving arms,


The poet here attributes to the god's music a power elsewhere expressed in the image of a sexual union with animals.

The BEAST in Revelation includes PAN and "a new style of music or satyric (goatish) drama." ACappella is a cultish word which has managed discord many because this STEAL WORD is "pseudo-instrumental" intending to IMPOSE INSTRUMENTS.

Pharmakea or SORCERY which defined the effeminate speaking, singing and playing instruments points to the original Babylon Mother of Harlots (lusted after fruits). In rituals he-she-it is a SCAPEGOAT. That means that he as published literature proves needs for you to sing, clap, shout and gyrate in SYNC or harmony meaning "moving together." I'll keep looking for an exception.
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August 25th, 2015, 1:58 am #10

That's just one reason why I don't read much of anything that Ken posts anymore. Another reason is all the pagan mythology that he presents. Of all the verses in the KJV that deal with mythology, only 10.5 percent of those verses are in the New Testament. Yet Ken presents mythology as if that's the prime focus for Christians, which is just not the case.
And frankly, whenever Donnie works himself into a frenzy with "shouting," underlining, exaggerated font sizes, boldface type, highlighting, and other tricks that are supposed to make him appear more credible, I tend to pass those posts on by, too.
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