[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]This thread is being addressed to IM lovers. I am thinking specifically of Dave who has constantly endorsed and defended the use of musical devices in the assembly of saints. [BTW, Dave, will you allow me to reveal to CM readers your last name? I do not recall you ever mentioning your last name here as you did at the other site (which I would not label as "evil"). I think that you mentioned your last name briefly at the other site only when you challenged Mike to a debate. I could say more about that challenge, etc., but that's really not about this thread. And you edited it out shortly after.]
In many of our discussions with you regarding IM, you never fail to mention that "not using" musical instruments in the gathering of saints is a human or man-made tradition in the church. [By now I hope that you are convinced that "in the church" means "in the church of Christ" that you claim to be a member of.]
Whenever I mention to you that the worship of "the Virgin Mary, Mother of God" is a good example of man-made traditions, you immediately dismiss it in defense of IM as being commanded and authorized by God, as well as being pleasing to Him.
We have just heard of the beatification of the RCC pope John Paul II. (There are so many doctrinal errors in Roman Catholicism. I strongly believe that based on what the Holy Scripture teaches. What about you? Anyway, when time allows, there will be a lot of discussions in the future regarding these errors.)
Just to name a few from a long list of Catholic heresies and "human traditions," here they are:[/color]
- Prayers for the dead
- Wax candles introduced in church in the 4th century
- Veneration of angels and dead saints
- Worship of Mary, "Mother of God"
- Prayers directed to Mary or dead saints
- Extreme Unction
- Doctrine of Purgatory in the 6th century
- Worship of the cross, images and relics
- Canonization of dead saints
- ... and so many, many more
My point is that man-made traditions, including the ones listed above, which were of PAGAN origins, are matters that man-made tradition believers do and observe, instead of what these believers DO NOT DO NOR OBSERVE.
Do you see my point? How can you assert that by "NOT DOING, NOT OBSERVING, something," it is a tradition?
Instead, using musical instruments in the assembly of saints is THE man-made tradition. Recorded history reveals it.[/color]
Let us discuss civilly, please. No name-calling, no grammatical concerns, no personal attacks, no hostile remarks. Thanks!