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March 16th, 2015, 2:42 am #21

When they toss you into prison you have my permission to SANG all of the songs you wish: you can play and dance and go naked with David as pattern.

Or you can sang ONE hymn and then GO OUT and not return until the next appointed hour next year same time. Don't pass the plate please.
Ken, thanks for giving me permission to play and dance with King David. How can I do that, with him being dead for many years now?....didn't you know that he is dead?

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March 16th, 2015, 1:01 pm #22

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Just,

A good compilation of the men and women used by God! It is impressive. How long did it take you to come up with that list? Or, do you have a source or link we can easily access?

Thing is: While God used these individuals, what would God say about being a prostitute, a murderer, a drunkard, a pathological liar, etc., or even running from God -- their ACTIVITIES?

Or, would God say what you said, "Get over it"?

Do you know what happened to a well-known congregation whose elders said, "Get over it; we must move on [with our plans to to impose changes that the majority disagreed with]"? Members of that congregation left in droves!!! And now that congregation is far from recovering.[/color]
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Just,

A good compilation of the men and women used by God! It is impressive. How long did it take you to come up with that list? Or, do you have a source or link we can easily access?

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March 16th, 2015, 3:32 pm #23

Ive never seen coc that condems congretional singing as well instrumental music.
every one has right of opinion. Is this pratice common in nashville area.? WHAT is name of church? I THOUGHT sand mountian was perticular!
Welcome R.O. !

I noticed your IP address is a "Holiday Inn Express". If you slept there it may be enough to have an edge on us. I'm telling you these 'Concerned Members' boys have some strange tricks. See you around.
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March 16th, 2015, 5:17 pm #24

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Just,

You are correct -- the word of God remains the same. It should never change or be changed.

And cultural changes and the aging process are not the issue. You are correct again, and I agree.

However, the issue arises when cultural and custom changes result in God's word being altered by man. For example, where the truth is that baptism (being buried with Christ) is essential to salvation ... and someone alters God's truth by saying, "No, baptism is not essential and it's done only after one has been saved" -- that is unquestionably changing God's truth.[/color]
CM Donnie, I was mauled by the CM hit team the last time I mentioned Baptism. That won't happen again. As I recall, CM Scripture was the only one to show any remorse for the attack. Ask the Madison Elders and Pastors for Church Doctrine relating to Baptism. My John Deere is calling me, see you much later.
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March 16th, 2015, 7:42 pm #25

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Just,

A good compilation of the men and women used by God! It is impressive. How long did it take you to come up with that list? Or, do you have a source or link we can easily access?

Thing is: While God used these individuals, what would God say about being a prostitute, a murderer, a drunkard, a pathological liar, etc., or even running from God -- their ACTIVITIES?

Or, would God say what you said, "Get over it"?

Do you know what happened to a well-known congregation whose elders said, "Get over it; we must move on [with our plans to to impose changes that the majority disagreed with]"? Members of that congregation left in droves!!! And now that congregation is far from recovering.[/color]
Someone once said.....
"Do you know what happened to a well-known congregation whose elders said, "Get over it; we must move on [with our plans to to impose changes that the majority disagreed with]"? Members of that congregation left in droves!!! And now that congregation is far from recovering."

Over a 1000 people come to worship at Madison each Sunday morning, yet the congregation is still recovering?
Maybe SOMEONE has a defeatist attitude, is negative minded, and wants his way to the point where they might keep up this weak banter and tirade UNTIL they get the traditions back that once were....the old traditions that are good and Scriptural....just as well as the new traditions that are in the making, are good and Scriptural. The old paths are good...EXCEPT....when they are said to be better than the new ones. That would be a deliberately false statement....and immature.
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March 17th, 2015, 2:21 am #26

WHO gets the right to IMPOSE new traditions which violates the message of the Word or Logos: opposite sermonizing, singing, playing instruments, acting or personal experiences or jokes?

NOT using "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric" is a tradition ordained by Christ the Rock for the Church in the wilderness. Refusing to begin to use or tolerate others IMPOSING instruments contrary to all credible recorded history is NOT just your old tradition or preference. If you understand that a Christian is a Disciple commanded to use that which is written then anything that minimizes the LEARNING EXPERIENCE is to repudiate the purpose driven Christ. In prophecy and recorded history the only assembly called on the REST Day is defined as SCHOOL. Elders are commanded to "teach that which has been taught." How could one find any room to let the elders refute that which has been taught?

A church of Christ is the SECT called the WAY: the road is very narrow and almost no one finds it. Opinions of the world or ECUMENICAL are the domain of Satan.

A church of Christ follows the TRADITIONS commanded both inclusively in the prophets and apostles as the ONLY resource for teaching. The sign out front does not mean that the group assembles or SYNAGOGUES which is defined exclusively to PREACH the Word by READING the word for comfort and doctrine. Anything beyond that which gobbles up the SCHOOL time is the TRADITION OF MEN.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
after the tradition of men,
.....after the rudiments of the world,
.....and not after Christ.[CENI]

2Th. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast,
.....and hold the traditions which ye have been taught,
.....whether by word, or our epistle.[CENI]

2Th. 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly,
.....and not after the tradition which he received of us. [CENI]

1Pet. 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
..... as silver and gold,
.....from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

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March 17th, 2015, 3:58 am #27

1000 attendance. Six elders. Hmmmm?
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March 17th, 2015, 5:18 pm #28

The new "c"hristian World View denies that God, Jesus or the inspired prophets and apostles had the ability to reveal the Mind of God in WORDS able to survive for about 2,000 years. So despising God and His Word is the meaning of BLASPHEMY for Latin literates.

Stephen Johnson teaches Bible at ACU and has the feminists 1voice4change INVERTING and therefore lying about all of the texts showing that women are uniquely prone to seeing their imagination as the inspiration of God: in all of the "proof texts" he-they do not grasp that the REASON that almost all men and all women must be silent in the PATTERNED assembly because they deny that "there is ONE GOD THE FATHER (teacher) and One MEDIATOR between man and God, the MAN Jesus Christ. He is the door through which conversation comes.

In the more recent history of biblical interpretation [outlawed 1 Peter], the relationship between the preacher
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
and the word of God is understood in terms of the historical distance between the two.

Preachers are taught that to ARRIVE at the meaning of the text
.....they must first read the text
.....as historically located correspondence
.....wrapped in the cultural idioms of the ancient world and its situation.

In fact, one of the characteristic features of MODERN exegesis
.....is to assume the great distance
.....between the ancient world of the text
.....and the contemporary world in which one lives

The preacher must be EQUIPPED with considerable skill
.....in order to traverse the vast distance between these two worlds.

Arriving in the ancient world of biblical writers, the preacher must use the proper tools
.....in order to undertake the critical task of excavating the one true and original meaning of the text.

Upon mining this precious nugget of truth,
.....he preacher must then muster the determination to make it back to the contemporary world
.....with the precious cargo intact-a treacherous journey indeed


The horrible obstacle Stephen etal see is the BRAVEHEART soul with the courage to tell you that what Jesus taught has nothing to do with OUR culture.

Stephen and the progressives do not think that you can understand APOCALYPTIC when they extort hire for UNCOVERING the One True Church and its feminists-effeminate voice.


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When people speak of WORSHIP SERVICES that is the MARK of someone who neither knows the meaning of a Christian or the only ONCE A WEEK assembly.

When they use the "worship word" they will always be concerned with the old ACTS or performances which can be replaced with NEW acts of worship: it always means ADDITIONS which are divisive and therefore SECTARIANISM and new PERFORMERS which is the definition of LEGALISM. Legalism is a devoted word exclusively used in the text of rhetoric, singing, playing, acting or dancing requiring skill and HARD WORK believing that if they perform with perfection they can INFLUENCE God to pat them on the back for entertaining Him. He, in return, will multiply your tithes and offerings.

The exclusive "worship" concept for the godly people who attended the synagogue which quarantined them from the PATTERNS used by progressive PATTERNISTS devoted to Abaddon-Apollon and other "sun gods" was/is to GIVE ATTENTION to that which is written for our learning. Paul used the MAD word for people who would form a musical worship team to accompany and enhance Einstein's Lectures.

Over and over and over and over the NARROW, SECTARIAN WAY defines worship as a School of the Word which confesses that the students are not God and that Jesus as the Christ is the ONLY Teacher. Elders are commanded to teach that which has been taught. Elders are not APTed by Christ if they mumble about their authority to impose NEW TRADITIONS. A Christian by definition has confessed that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah) the Son of God: the sinful woman at the well knew more than all of the theologians (Abaddon's teachers) when she said "Messias will tell us all things."





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March 17th, 2015, 10:06 pm #29

The new "c"hristian World View denies that God, Jesus or the inspired prophets and apostles had the ability to reveal the Mind of God in WORDS able to survive for about 2,000 years. So despising God and His Word is the meaning of BLASPHEMY for Latin literates.

Stephen Johnson teaches Bible at ACU and has the feminists 1voice4change INVERTING and therefore lying about all of the texts showing that women are uniquely prone to seeing their imagination as the inspiration of God: in all of the "proof texts" he-they do not grasp that the REASON that almost all men and all women must be silent in the PATTERNED assembly because they deny that "there is ONE GOD THE FATHER (teacher) and One MEDIATOR between man and God, the MAN Jesus Christ. He is the door through which conversation comes.

In the more recent history of biblical interpretation [outlawed 1 Peter], the relationship between the preacher
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
and the word of God is understood in terms of the historical distance between the two.

Preachers are taught that to ARRIVE at the meaning of the text
.....they must first read the text
.....as historically located correspondence
.....wrapped in the cultural idioms of the ancient world and its situation.

In fact, one of the characteristic features of MODERN exegesis
.....is to assume the great distance
.....between the ancient world of the text
.....and the contemporary world in which one lives

The preacher must be EQUIPPED with considerable skill
.....in order to traverse the vast distance between these two worlds.

Arriving in the ancient world of biblical writers, the preacher must use the proper tools
.....in order to undertake the critical task of excavating the one true and original meaning of the text.

Upon mining this precious nugget of truth,
.....he preacher must then muster the determination to make it back to the contemporary world
.....with the precious cargo intact-a treacherous journey indeed


The horrible obstacle Stephen etal see is the BRAVEHEART soul with the courage to tell you that what Jesus taught has nothing to do with OUR culture.

Stephen and the progressives do not think that you can understand APOCALYPTIC when they extort hire for UNCOVERING the One True Church and its feminists-effeminate voice.


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Using the "on a desert Island Parable" of the instrumentalists, we suggest that on a desert Island no one could read the whole Bible and fail to notice that there are two major divisions or RACES of humanity. Those OF the World or the ecumenical as the dominant, oppressive race needing to be the Alpha Male. While they are stealing tithes and offerings to satisfy a blood and flesh lust, God provides shelter during the storm (umbrellicum in Isaiah) as a place to REST. Rest in Hebrew, Latin or Greek is that one out of seven days to "do your own pleasure" and rest to allow the body and mind to repair itself. The REST day used for refreshing or regenerating the spirit was the day for SCHOOL. God teaches and the only flow of information is from Him to His creatures. All of the speaking, singing, playing or acting claimed to speak TO god and even inform Him..

Is. 40:9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!
Is. 40:10 Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm [messiah]shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
Is. 40:11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.
Is. 40:12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?
Is. 40:13 Who hath directed the Spirit OF the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?
Is. 40:14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?


God provides ALL of the FOOD and He is the TEACHER: the shepherd does not force the lambs to feed him unless he is a WOLF. A shepherd does not "upset the lamb's comfort zones" in order to force NEW TRADITIONS such as eating other lambs down their throat. IF you are part of an organization pleading for money to hire people to force you to do THEIR PLEASURE on your rest day and anything beyond being a SCHOOL where disciples go to be STUDENTS ONLY then you ARE part of a cult and you are probably too intimidated to be deprogrammed and 'come REST with Jesus': He wouldn't cut off and roast your left leg.

This is a CERTITUDE: a DOGMATIC statement:

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory:
but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true,
and no unrighteousness is in him.
John 8:50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.


Lambs do not go to the pastures to watch the shepherd exercise all of his motor, vocal and musical skills.

Paul's PATTERN to Timothy was that he WORK so that he could sponsor the agape or feeding the poor breakfast on their way seeking a day's wage. A minister is a SERVANT: if he is Senior Pastor consigning the Deacons to do the work then he is called PARASITE in all historic religionism.
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March 17th, 2015, 10:15 pm #30

WHO gets the right to IMPOSE new traditions which violates the message of the Word or Logos: opposite sermonizing, singing, playing instruments, acting or personal experiences or jokes?

NOT using "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or rhetoric" is a tradition ordained by Christ the Rock for the Church in the wilderness. Refusing to begin to use or tolerate others IMPOSING instruments contrary to all credible recorded history is NOT just your old tradition or preference. If you understand that a Christian is a Disciple commanded to use that which is written then anything that minimizes the LEARNING EXPERIENCE is to repudiate the purpose driven Christ. In prophecy and recorded history the only assembly called on the REST Day is defined as SCHOOL. Elders are commanded to "teach that which has been taught." How could one find any room to let the elders refute that which has been taught?

A church of Christ is the SECT called the WAY: the road is very narrow and almost no one finds it. Opinions of the world or ECUMENICAL are the domain of Satan.

A church of Christ follows the TRADITIONS commanded both inclusively in the prophets and apostles as the ONLY resource for teaching. The sign out front does not mean that the group assembles or SYNAGOGUES which is defined exclusively to PREACH the Word by READING the word for comfort and doctrine. Anything beyond that which gobbles up the SCHOOL time is the TRADITION OF MEN.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
after the tradition of men,
.....after the rudiments of the world,
.....and not after Christ.[CENI]

2Th. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast,
.....and hold the traditions which ye have been taught,
.....whether by word, or our epistle.[CENI]

2Th. 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly,
.....and not after the tradition which he received of us. [CENI]

1Pet. 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
..... as silver and gold,
.....from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

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Someone once asked "WHO gets the right to IMPOSE new traditions which violates the message of the Word or Logos: opposite sermonizing, singing, playing instruments, acting or personal experiences or jokes?"


Since there isn't any violating the Word of Logos with opposite sermonizing, that would constitute a fabrication by Someone (might even call it a tall tale). Since singing was done by Jesus, that isn't a problem. Playing instruments isn't condemned by Scriptures and the only problem with using skits to tell a Biblical story is that SOMEONE is too old and set in their ways to accept it. Skits can be from Scriptural stories, and since SOMEONE doesn't attend with a church they wouldn't know the content therein and thereof of any such skits, except from secondhand. Lastly, SOMEONE (will not mention any names but his initials are Ken Sublett) tells jokes all the time here at concerned members....so that would make someone a hypocrite since they condemn such.

Save him Donnie......Take up for him.....again.

Ken, you never answered me from a while back....when you WERE attending church, did you EVER sing a song?
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