Russ Corley Mocking Jesus and Slandering Him

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February 9th, 2016, 3:56 pm #1

Topics get scrambled so this thread is to review Russ' false teaching on the Spirit OF God and GIVING poison to a new bride. Musical and rhetorical performance as the "wonders" claiming a connection to a Holy God is the MARK of strong delusions.

Lipscomb and Sewell in Question and Answers claimed that the FRUIT OF THE VINE at the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD was FERMENTED. God commanded that the Word be PREACHED by being READ because NO MAN knows or can find out the Will of God outside the Prophets (by the Spirit OF Christ) and the prophets made more certain by Jesus and left for OUR memory by the eye-- and ear-- witnesses.

Gary Summers affirms the Text and recorded history.

Some have actually taken the position that the wedding guests were drunk and that Jesus made them more intoxicating wine so they could become even more smashed. This writer has zero tolerance for such a worthless notion. In order to believe such an error, one would have to first believe that Mary, a woman so virtuous and morally pure as to be selected as the mother of the Lord, saw the wedding guests stumbling around and demanded that her Son make even more of the intoxicating stuff so that what—they should pass out entirely?

And Jesus, Who was free of sin, then contributed to their drunken revelry by serving as a stumbling block and putting liquid temptation in their way? Such actions ought to strain even the credulity of hardened sinners. In John 2, the host of the wedding had embarrassingly run out of the juice of the grape. Everyone had drunk nearly their fill. They were sated rather than inebriated, but they still wanted more. Jesus made more (plenty more), and the problem was taken care of. To insist that methuo here means drunken rather than filled with drink is to open oneself up to a host of problems.


This miracle was to manifest Christ's glory and to claim that he made NONE PRESERVED or NON SAFE intoxicants would discredit Jesus as King. This would be well below the ethical and medically literate people and aggitation with wine has the same condemnation of aggitation with music around pregnant women. Then Apollon-Abaddon is the DESTROYER and his angels of light are Purpose Driven to make people four-fold sons of hell.

Prov. 31:6 Give strong drink [fermented] unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts


Because it was not the purpose of Jesus, if He was a little old wine maker this would be an acted parable to condemn those OF the World.

Hab. 2:15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle [wineskin] to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
Hab. 2:16 Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the LORD’S right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory

Hab. 2:19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.
Hab. 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.
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February 9th, 2016, 9:50 pm #2

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February 10th, 2016, 3:48 am #3

Ken, these are good quotes from Greek literature. Thanks for these.

I know there are many Biblical passages also that question alcohol. These are scattered throughout the Old Testament and there are some also in the New Testament.

Also, the experiences of many families today show the negative effects of alcohol. There are families that have lost lives due to the use and the subsequent abuse of alcohol.

Modern science has identified alcohol as a DRUG.

So these progressives are guilty of LITERALISM and LEGALISM about which they accuse others..

From the fruits of the ground of Cain to the debauchery of the otherwise faithful Noah after the flood to Paul instructing Timothy that wine can be used only (?) for medication--the ill effects of the drug alcohol is addressed Biblically.

That Jesus was the friend of winebibbers and sinners means that he reached for them and taught them in the marketplace but these behaviors were not brought into the synagogue.

Do you have some Biblical passages that deal with drinking and drunkenness--that is the ill effects of alcohol and the dangers that surround it.


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February 10th, 2016, 4:11 pm #4

Yes, there are many. You should jump in.
The view of some is that wine becomes "strong drink" when it ferments.

As a major food source no one intended to let the wine ferment (be lost) unless they intended to get drunk. Boiling to a thick syrup (stomach wine) was a common way to prevent fermentation. You might have a problem if you let all of your winter FOOD supply ferment and then quickly spoil.

In many ways the modern mind is more ignorant than the old timers who understand that no godly person would make a hundred gallons of fermented wine at a weeding feast. Women who give birth to defects caused also by the drinking male might think of suing a preacher for giving approval for any kind of drug.

Even fermented wine because of its alcohol and bad taste was sometimes diluted 20/1. A tippler diluted their wine only 3/1.
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February 10th, 2016, 5:22 pm #5

Deut. 11:14 That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.
Deut. 11:15 And I will send grass in thy fields for thy cattle, that thou mayest eat and be full.
Deut. 11:16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;
Deut. 11:17 And then the LORD’S wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.


Wine is the Fruit of the Earth and not the fruit of the VAT unless you intend to get drugged.

wrath: of things, raging, violent, furious: sistrum,” Juv. 13, 93. [mock consolation]

The same crimes are committed but with very different results:
One man’s prize for his sins is crucifixion, another’s is a crown.’
His heart trembling in terror at his vile trespass, this is how he
Calms himself. When you summon him to the sacred shrine,
He’s ahead of you, drags you there, ready to vex you further;
When the cause is ill, given endless audacity, such confidence
Appear highly convincing


Miriam's [Prophetesss-soothsayer] Sistrum I.a metallic rattle which was used by the Egyptians in celebrating the rites of Isis, and in other lascivious festivals, Hence sarcastically, as if used for a war - trumpet by the wanton Cleopatra,

Those who mock disciples fall under the mark left by Jesus: He was murdered because He SPOKE on the Word or LOGOS which is exclusive of any of the hypocritic acts.

He said that if His Disciples spoke what HE spoke FROM God Who breathed into Him they would be hated and hounded. The progressives are cowards who dare not obey the pattern (inclusive-exclusive) of PREACHING [sermo or conversational] the Word by READING the Word.

Paul silenced the women in the assembly both for the sake of the fetus--she may be SAFE in bearing children--and so that All might be SAFE and come to a knowledge of the truth. Madison has a history of mocking the historic faithful which according to The Book of Enoch is the mark that they have FALLEN and can never get back up.

The Murfreesboro church has fallen into the same terminal WORLD VIEW. They call on ACappella to entertain them: this is like whistling on the way to the ovens. Steve Flatt is their occasional preacher.
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February 10th, 2016, 6:55 pm #6

Judg. 13:3 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.
Judg. 13:4 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:
Judg. 13:5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.
Judg. 13:6 Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name:
Judg. 13:7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.
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February 11th, 2016, 3:40 pm #7

There are many verses that deal with wine and strong drink.

We are warned against strong drink and its appealing appearance but warned against its effects.

We are warned "not to get drunk with wine for that is dissipation." Ephesians 5:18.

Noah was arguably drunkenly led into homosexual relationship with Ham in Genesis 13, and drunken Lot fathered two children with his daughters, producing fathers of the nations of Moab and Ammon. Genesis 19.

The Bible does divide between strong drink and wine, and both are usually warned against in the same verses.

Wine would ferment where there is no refrigeration. Yeast native to the grapes will turn its sugar into alcohol, and that can reach 15 percent or less. The type of grape determines the percentage of alcohol.

Timothy apparently was refusing wine and drinking water, but Paul admonished him to drink wine for his stomach's sake and his infirmities. 1 Timothy 5:23.

Many today make the choice not to drink alcohol for some of the following reasons: (1) potential addiction, (2) example to others who might drink socially but it turns into a habit, (3) many escape life by medicating themselves with alcohol to alleviate their personal stresses, (4) danger of erratic behavior associated with the drink, (5) general example to fellow Christians, and (5) reaction against the habit that took the lives of their family or others in such as car wrecks.

There are then Biblical and extra-Biblical considerations pertaining to drink.





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February 14th, 2016, 1:39 am #8

Topics get scrambled so this thread is to review Russ' false teaching on the Spirit OF God and GIVING poison to a new bride. Musical and rhetorical performance as the "wonders" claiming a connection to a Holy God is the MARK of strong delusions.

Lipscomb and Sewell in Question and Answers claimed that the FRUIT OF THE VINE at the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD was FERMENTED. God commanded that the Word be PREACHED by being READ because NO MAN knows or can find out the Will of God outside the Prophets (by the Spirit OF Christ) and the prophets made more certain by Jesus and left for OUR memory by the eye-- and ear-- witnesses.

Gary Summers affirms the Text and recorded history.

Some have actually taken the position that the wedding guests were drunk and that Jesus made them more intoxicating wine so they could become even more smashed. This writer has zero tolerance for such a worthless notion. In order to believe such an error, one would have to first believe that Mary, a woman so virtuous and morally pure as to be selected as the mother of the Lord, saw the wedding guests stumbling around and demanded that her Son make even more of the intoxicating stuff so that what—they should pass out entirely?

And Jesus, Who was free of sin, then contributed to their drunken revelry by serving as a stumbling block and putting liquid temptation in their way? Such actions ought to strain even the credulity of hardened sinners. In John 2, the host of the wedding had embarrassingly run out of the juice of the grape. Everyone had drunk nearly their fill. They were sated rather than inebriated, but they still wanted more. Jesus made more (plenty more), and the problem was taken care of. To insist that methuo here means drunken rather than filled with drink is to open oneself up to a host of problems.


This miracle was to manifest Christ's glory and to claim that he made NONE PRESERVED or NON SAFE intoxicants would discredit Jesus as King. This would be well below the ethical and medically literate people and aggitation with wine has the same condemnation of aggitation with music around pregnant women. Then Apollon-Abaddon is the DESTROYER and his angels of light are Purpose Driven to make people four-fold sons of hell.

Prov. 31:6 Give strong drink [fermented] unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts


Because it was not the purpose of Jesus, if He was a little old wine maker this would be an acted parable to condemn those OF the World.

Hab. 2:15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle [wineskin] to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
Hab. 2:16 Thou art filled with shame for glory: drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the LORD’S right hand shall be turned unto thee, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory

Hab. 2:19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.
Hab. 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.
Why would Paul warn about getting drunk on wine before commanding in a way which cannot be twisted by disciples?

In the literature the methuo word means to be FILLED with wine and is associated with being "fluted down with wine" or being 'Piped down with wine."

The SPEAK that which is written for our LEARNING
Ode and Psallo IN THE HEART which you cannot hear and therefore destroy learning that which is written.

We have quoted some of the data warning about intoxicants at WEDDING FEASTS knowing what theologians don't know just from reading: that a small amount of intoxicants at the right or wrong time in pregnancy can and does produce a plague of birth defects. We noted also that men can transmit CHOPPED UP DNA into the new infant.

The WINE warnings are connected to Dionysus (Bacchus) or Appollon-Abaddon the old and NEW WINESKINS GOD. The EFFECTS of arousal music is BOASTED of producing the effects of the NEW WINESKIN. The church must expand like a rubber billy goat skin to accomodate any and all who will pay the fees. They don't grasp that the fumigated wineskin was to PREVENT fermentation and therefore bursting old Billy Goat.

Paul was writing to people who clearly understood the connection between wine, music and the worship of Dionysys or Apollon.

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