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It's ok to be ridiculous if you don't TRAFFICK in God's free word, divert churches to your own "evolving theology" and sow more deliberate discord than any one in our church history.Why on God's great earth would you chose to be so gleeful that a brother who preaches God's Great gospel is leaving a congragation? why are you so concerned about liberal and conservative? If those young men and women are in a masters of divinity program do you not think they are going to have their own opinions regardless of what Rubell preaches...I've seen Rubell preach many times, why i dont nesecarily agree with every word that man says i understand that he is a man who is trying to preach the gospel according to what he believes is truth, what will bring people to Christ. And i know your going to argue the point that is not what " he thinks is truth, its what Christ said, God wrote" whatever...the bible is SO unbelievably black and white that its ridiculous to think its one hundred percent translatable! one thing matters....Did Christ Die for my sins...yes. rubel shelly believes that , you believe that...shut up about everything else.
I have never put my faith in a messanger, and i suppose i should have typed a little bit further to include the ressurection, i thought that maybe that would have been understood. I really dont understand this whole thing. Christ didnt preach topics on musical instruments, poinsettas during the winter season, trunk or treat, all of that why do we make such a big deal about it? Christ didnt preach about wednesday night church but we follow that. i mean i think we need to focus on the things Christ set in place speciffically before we step into the grey matter of the bible and try and theoligize that stuff. thats my point.Eric asked and answers his own question, "Did Christ Die for my sins...yes. rubel shelly believes that , you believe that...shut up about everything else."
Jimmy questions: How do you know that Christ died for your sins Eric?
There is only one way that you could know that and that is because "the Bible tells you so".
It is not what Rubel tells you about Christ, it is what the bible tells you about Christ that has meaning.
Eric, never put your faith in the 'messanger', put your faith in Christ. Where did people learn of Christ before Rubel Shelly? From the Bible.
Eric says, "Did Christ Die for my sins...yes. rubel shelly believes that , you believe that...shut up about everything else."
"...shut up about everyting else." Christ died for his sins and nothing else matters.
So we leave Eric with a "dead" Christ. We will not discuss the resurrection, we will leave Christ in the grave. We will not discuss the church, we will leave Christ in the grave. We will not discuss the written Word of God.
we will leave Eric with a "dead" Christ and just shut up about everything else.
In Christian Love,
EricI have never put my faith in a messanger, and i suppose i should have typed a little bit further to include the ressurection, i thought that maybe that would have been understood. I really dont understand this whole thing. Christ didnt preach topics on musical instruments, poinsettas during the winter season, trunk or treat, all of that why do we make such a big deal about it? Christ didnt preach about wednesday night church but we follow that. i mean i think we need to focus on the things Christ set in place speciffically before we step into the grey matter of the bible and try and theoligize that stuff. thats my point.
Ken,Eric thanks for posting again.
I offer Bible study courses free of charge. I offer an eight lesson course. I can mail you one, after you complete it and mail it back, I will grade it and send you the next lesson. Send me an e-mail or just ask for it in your next post.
When it comes to a study of religion, it is difficult for everyone to be on the same page. Every time someone criticizes me, I always stop and reevaluate what I am doing or have done. I have only one standard to examine myself by, one firm foundation, and that is the Bible.
You have heard the children sing, the more we read the Bible, the Bible, the Bible the more we read the Bible the happier we will be. This is very true Eric.
Eric you wrote: Christ didnt preach topics on musical instruments, poinsettas during the winter season, trunk or treat, all of that why do we make such a big deal about it?
Jimmy answers: Eric, you are exactly right. But just what did Christ preach? Christ preached a LOT OF THINGS! Since you continued in your last post to include the resurrection I believe that you know the Gospel. If you are not sure of a Biblical explanation you can turn to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and read it.
Next you should study about the Kingdom of Christ. Watch for the words Church and Kingdom as they are used to refer to the same thing.
You can read about both in the Gospels as well as the other New Testament books.
Now a wise man would study and examine the scriptures in search of a pattern. What do I want my life to be like? What does God want me to be like?
We read a lot of dos and donts as to the way a Christian should live his life. But we really need something that we can hold on to. We need a pattern to follow. We follow Jesus as best we can. Christ is our PATTERN. But we also find another pattern in the life of the Apostle Paul.
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all longsuffering, for a PATTERN to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. ! Timothy 1:16-16 (KJV).
Paul says Christ came to save sinners of whom I am chief. Paul goes on to say that he was forgiven. But here Paul says, present tense-not past, that he is the chief of sinners.
We must never forget that we, you and I (only I can confess and ask forgiveness for my sins) are sinners, presents tense. Forgiven-yes! Sinner-yes! Go as far into the future as I can imagine and I am still nothing more then a forgiven sinner.
Paul says something else here that we need to get, I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all longsuffering, for a PATTERN to them which should hereafter believe on him
Paul says I am your PATTERN! Eric is Paul your PATTERN?
Timothy looked to Paul as a PATTERN and Paul told Timothy this: I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan 1 Timothy 118-20 (KJV).
To Titus Paul says, In all things showing thyself a PATTERN of good works: in doctrine showing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, 8Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you. Titus 2:7- 8 (KJV).
As Christians we are to be patterns to each other by following the patterns (Paul, Timothy, Titus, and etc. that we find in the Bible. We dont always find a good pattern in the pulpit but we always find a good pattern in the Bible!
Now just as we have patterns to follow that teach us how to live the Christian life, we also have a PATTERN found in the Word of God that teaches us how to worship in the Church of Christ.
In the Old Testament even the tabernacle was made according to the pattern. The pattern was shown to Moses, and no one else, and Moses revealed it to the people.
See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the PATTERN showed to thee in the mount. Hebrews 8:5 (KJV).
The New Testament Church is also made according to the PATTERN. It becomes a little difficult here because there is no one passage of scripture that you can go to and learn it all. But that should not surprise you; to what scripture can you go to get a complete detail description of the tabernacle?
I will give you the PATTERN, we can discuss the supporting scriptures later.
No one is in the Lords Church without obedience to the Gospel. A belief in Christ leads one to joyously proclaim I believe that Christ is the Son of the living God. When Peter said these words, Jesus said upon this rock (meaning Himself, i.e. Christ is the Son of God.) I will build my church
A belief in Christ should cause one to follow the PATTERN of Paul and confess his sins.
A belief that causes one to do the above things is called faith.
This faith causes one to be baptized, i.e., totally buried in water, to have his sins washed away. Our PATTERNS, Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Romans 6:3:6 (KJV). Paul, our PATTERN, says he has been baptized.
After following the above PATTERN, one now finds himself in Christ, in His Church. The Lord has added the saved person to His Church. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:47 (KJV).
Now that one is in the Church of Christ the question becomes, How should one worship?
The first thing is to remember your PATTERNS. Remember and study the life of Paul, Timothy, Titus, Peter, and the Apostle John. Dont forget these PATTERNS!
You have a lot of studying to do Eric. Are you up for it? Are you willing to follow the PATTERNS of the Bible or will you follow the PATTERNS of RUBEL Shelly or other change agents?
If you choose the Bible for the PATTERNS that you determine to follow You will do the following; you will meet with other brethren upon the first day of the week to take the Lords supper; while at that meeting you will engage in a Bible study (the Church is the School of the Bible), you will sing Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs (no praise songs, no instruments for making noise, every word uttered by a Christian is supposed to be understood, and no humming is mentioned or taught by the PATTERNS of the Bible that I follow). A free will collection will be taken up. You are to contribute as you learn of the need. The collection has no limit, you can give as little or as much as you like. This collection is not commanded but an example of a collection, on the first day of the week, for a specific need is give by our PATTERN, Paul. Another act of worship is Praying.
Eric all of the above should be a part of your daily life as well as in the Christian worship service, except for one act, i.e., taking the Lords Supper. This is a living memorial to be shared with the congregation only upon the first day of the week.
These are the five acts of worship. Many people add plays, dramas, instrumental music, video, but we have no PATTERN for such.
We can begin a discussion of Bible PATTERNS of worship if you like.
Dont look for points of argument Eric. Look to your PATTERNS. Study the Word.
In Christian Love,