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April 25th, 2004, 7:34 pm #12

Christianity Today noted that one Methodist church had FIVE MUSICAL SECTS meeting in the same building. And it is a fact that people who rejected trying to worship IN THEIR SPIRIT with a pipe organ became the ONLY SECTARIANS in the first Restoration Not surprising, the Greek world understood that and Paul SOLVED the unity in diversity in Romans 15 by defining the ASSEMBLY as a synagogue where the MARK of faithfulness was that everyone spoke the same thing from "that which is written."

We noted that "scholars" at ACU claim to have REMOVED the old conservative doctrine of the non-instrumental churches of Christ. In order to make the prophesied end-time "church" steal everything from those who paid for it they plan to manufacture men with "Advanded degrees trained as PROPHETS, Chanellers and Facilitators."

http://www.piney.com/ACU-OSBURN.html

Jesus repudiated the DOCTORS OF THE LAW (Pharisees, Scribes) because THEY TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE.

Paul defined the role of the PASTOR-TEACHERS or elsers as to "teach that which has been taught" and to "rebuke those who oppose" that which is writte.

Paul refused to preach that which he had not received from Christ the Spirit.

He defined the SYNAGOGUE as the way for "unity in diversity." That meant that both the Orphics and Dionysiacs left their MUSICAL TRADITIONS out of the assembly. Then, with one MOUTH and one MIND the only way to glorify God was to "speak that which had been written." Jesus built an ekklesia or synagogue: not a church or circe the "holy whore" who used music and drugs as the SORCERER which was the medicinam to produce sects of the Magi.

Music had value only in CHARISMATIC rituals which intended to drive you MAD or Enthus O Mantic. Paul understood that PSALLO or MELODY attached directly to Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon and the MUSES (musica sorcerers). External melody is NOT a musical term but that of warfare. God gave the silver trumpets as WEAPONS to drive the enemy into PANIC to turn them cowards. ALL music afflicts the human spirit and makes worship in the PLACE of the human spirit impossible. That is the purpose: remember that the Judas Bag was for carrying the reeds of his wind instrument. It is derived from "speaking in tongues" and "of the kosmos" ruled by Satan. Jesus had ground the SOP and fed it to Judas and spirit of SATAN came into him. SOP is directly related to PSALLO or external melody."

In addition to Pharisees and Hypocrites (actors) the group includes rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers and musicians whose SECOND LEVEL performance was called SORCERY and the performers were parasites (the Pharisees performed and made the widows pay). For instance:

The word Musica or mousikê, the art of music, i. e. comic and dramatic poetry, musice antiquis temporibus tantum venerationis

The mousikos
  • I. of or for music, musical, Ar., Thuc., etc.; ta mousika music, Xen.; v. mousikê.

    II. of persons, skilled in music, a votary of the Muses, a man of letters and accomplishment, a scholar, more accomplished in SPEAKING

    A votary of the MUSES has pledged himself to be the AGENT of Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon.

    His speaking art is lego [!lech] to lay asleep, lull to sleep,
    • And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman (Techne=professionals) ,of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

    When Samson had to GRIND in the king's house he was turned into a prostitute. The GRINDERS speak of concubines who were also prostitutes. The end-time church IS defined as a harlot. Revelation 18 defines some of the PROFESSIONALS attracted to ride her popularity: new style worship.

    Mousikos (g3451) moo-sik-os'; from Mousa , (a Muse); "musical", i.e. (as noun) a minstrel: - musician
The craftsmen are:
  • Technites (g5079) tekh-nee'-tace; from 5078; an artisan; fig. a founder (Creator): - builder, craftsman.

    For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made SILVER SHRINES for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; Ac.19:24

    The Israelites had worshipped Dianne in Egypt and the Golden Calf points to the worship of the Egyptian Triad with MUSICAL IDOLATRY or Play:

    "As Herodotus reports, WOMEN sang the praises of Osiris while liknesses of the gods were born about and, during the festival of Diana at Bubastis, Women's singing was a vital part of all pagan worship. In other times women became priestly singers of the gods in the temple. [But, NEVER in the holy places]. They were always THE HAREM OF THE GODS. Their PERFORMANCE intends to call down the SPIRIT in order to be PRAISED (made vile) with "favors." The VINYARD "lady" boasts that this is the PURPOSE of the NEW STYLE MUSIC. That enhances the last ACT of worship which is "giving of resources." It is the almost-NORMAL method of selling GOD and WIDOWS hoping for greater wealth.

However, we have no TRAFFICK with those who build shrines but:

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Heb.11:10
  • Techne (g5078) tekh'-nay; from the base of 5088; art (as productive), i.e. (spec.) a TRADE, or (gen.) skill: - art, craft, OCCUPATION.

    Whom he called together with the workmen of like OCCUPATION (techne), and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our WEALTH. Ac.19:25
John used the PAGAN RELIGIONS of his time and place to send a secret message even to us. Circe or church--the holy whore--was burried within view of Patmos. She used music, drugs and sex to turn mean back into BEAST people and fed them on "sermons" made of dung.

While they blame anyone not TERMINALLY pledged to Satan and the occult with being LEGALISTS and SECTARIANS, they do not want you to know that by spewing out the Words of Christ and being Christ-centered they become GRACE-CENTERED. Grace is free of charge opposite opsonia or for PROFIT.
Charismatic means hedone which is "delight, enjoyment, pleasure, Lat. voluptas, Hdt., etc.; hêdonêi hêssasthai, charizesthai to give way to pleasure. hêdonên legein to speak so as to please another. Speaking in tongues is to PLEASURE one's DOMINANT LEADER

The BURDEN Jesus removed is:
  • Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please.

    Airo (g142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).

    "The most primitive form of charisma occurs in shamanism. This is the religion of the small tribal unit and the witch doctor. The shaman-- "one who is excited, moved, RAISED" (Lindholm 1990, 158)--becomes master of the "techniques of ecstasy" (Eliade 1964). Typically he (or she, for among the !Kung fully 1 0 percent of women become shamans; Lindholm 1990, 163) is identified early as one with a "shadowed heart." The shaman is not psychotic but is disturbed in some way--the "disease of God," an "emotional seizure" that originates in the unconscious of the leader and results in three "extraordinary" emotions: ecstasy, euphoria, and political passions. To produce ecstasy they may use alcohol and other drugs, music and dance, sexuality, or some combination of these; They were reluctant to seek therapy but had been forced to do so because of having been compromised by various fraudulent or sexually perverse behaviors.

    Xenophon, in Symp. 8.32, say that pederasty was the usual custom in Elis and Thebes, and Plato adds that charizesthai erastais was not considered dishonorable because the people there were too inarticulate to persuade with words.

    The same pederasty is also present in the cases in which tyrants were allegedly or actually toppled by pairs of lovers

    Voluptas a-tis (gen. plur. voluptatum and -tium), f. [Gr. elpô, to hope; root Welp-; cf. volo] , satisfaction, enjoyment, pleasure, delight (whether sensual or spiritual; syn. oblectamentum).

    B. Voluptates, sports, shows, spectacles,
Charisma (GRACE) was worshipped as a Goddess: Charisma erastais Pederasty. The word "erastais" is used in Ezekiel:


They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom. Ezec 16:33

They are not PROPHETS but PROFITS. They intend to TRAFFICK in the free Word of God. To do so they have to convince you that MY books, songs and sermons are superior to those offered free by God. The MUSICAL thrust, hermeneutics and exegetice all point to the huge RISE of the OCCULT in your church: they will hurt you real bad because GRACE the sacred whore told them to.

More of the musical-sermonizing connection later.

Ken Sublett
You probably remember that Lipscomb recently brought in an ORATOR to teach everyone HOW to preach. However, the same SOPHIST is involved with lying about every MUSICAL word and instrument in the Bible. The purpose was to institute a SABBATH MUSICAL WORSHIP. The FIRST DAY SABBATH and the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH under the Law was for A HOLY CONVOCATION. The central message was REST and the activity was TO READ THE WORD. Jesus brought us REST and did not prescribe what we peddle as "church worship."
  • <font color=blue>And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, TEACHING in their synagogues, and PREACHING the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. Mt.9:35 </font>
Jesus sent Apostles or evangelists out to PREACH the gospel. They were to make disciples by BAPTIZING and continuing to TEACH and not preach. Telling Bible stories was the first form of preaching and it was condemned as was allegoralizing or further expounding the Scripture passage of the day. Performance preaching was one of the early heresies along with the clergy song Precenter.

Paul did not preach in an extablished congregation such as Troas. Rather, he dialoged (dialegomai) or communed with the people. The Greek world understood a SERMON as EXCLUDING an artificial oration.

PREACHING IS DIALOGING, COMMUNING, ORDINARY CONVERSATION
  • <font color=blue> Latin SERMO , o-nis, m. [2. sero, qs. serta, conserta oratio] , a speaking or talking with any one; talk, conversation, discourse:
    • Concr., a talk, speech, discourse (more informal and unpretending than oratio)
    </font>
An oration, is the opposite of a sermon which must be in conversational language or the ORATOR places himself in the BEMA or pulpit or HIGH PLACE to rule over the congregation which is seen as his AUDIENCE.
  • <font color=blue>ORATIO, o-nis, f. [oro] , a speaking, speech, discourse, language
    • In partic., formal language, artificial discourse,set speech (OPPOSITE to to sermo, ordinary speech, CONVERSATIONAL language): mollis est oratio philosophorum
    </font>
It is not possible to have TRAINED ORATORS or in Paul's Words "Super Apostles" without making simple DISCUSSION into a means of financial gain. Also, the professional is bound to ADD to the message to justify his wage from the widows and hard working people.

Therefore, Oration includes the idea of:
  • <font color=blue>Disceptatio, o-nis, f. [discepto] , a dispute, disputation, DEBATE, discussion, disquisition. controversy, contention, quarrel, question, dispute, debate, </font>
The rhetorical or sOPHIStical ORATOR debates with God and with Himself: he denies YOU the right to read, interpret and speak the WORD unless it is IN COMMUNITY or Commune.

http://www.piney.com/RS.Discipling.2.1.html

Trained orators or "super apostles" now attempt to destroy anyone who uses the logical or spiritual mind God gave us. Rather, people are "converted" by WATCHING ME! The word "spiritual" speaks of the RATIONAL. Don't bad mouth the MIND because God gave us A holy spirit so that we can worship Him in the new PLACE of the human spirit is silence and darkness--the closet, you rmember.

By definition if you "private interpret" or "further expound" the Word of God you MUST be antilogical and therefore CONTRADICT what God in Christ Taught.
  • <font color=blue>Antilogia, hê, CONTRADICTION, controversy. chrêsmos 1 [chraô3] the answer of an oracle, oracular response, Oracle: A place where oracular responses were given, an oracle: Esp. (eccl. Lat.), the MERCY-SEAT the place in the tabernacle in which the PRESENCE of God was manifest. The MANTIC or mad person believed that he spoke for God."
    • Chrêstêrios 1 [chraô3] of or from an oracle, oracular, prophetic, Aesch., Eur.; APOLLON chrêstêrie author of oracles, Hdt.


      chrauô to scrape, graze, wound slightly, epichraô.
    </font>
A word which appear with Chauo is Rhetor

This means that Orators can function only with CHARISMA. Charisma was always associated with homosexuality which, they say, bound the flesh and spirit together:
  • <font color=blue>Charizesthai erastais Pederasty musicians, odes, Mousa PAIDKEE, which are mere PLAY for him. A nomos for CINAED by a Sybarite Hemitheon is mentioned by Lucian adv. ind. 23 (cf. Pseudo-Lucian 3).

    Remember that the DIONYSUS clergy where polluted worship was part of the Abomination of Desolation in the temple hoped that Dionysus would be Messiah. Therefore, Jesus warned that John didn't wear SOFT clothing of the catamite and:

    They are like unto CHILDREN [paidion] sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have PIPED unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Lu.7:32</font>
Oration is "A set speech, harangue, discourse, oration: The POWER of oratory, eloquence While a SERMON is just "ordinary speech, speaking, talking, the language of conversation (OPPOSITE contentio)". As an ordinary member YOU will not be able to MOUNT the pulpit, bema or HIGH PLACE and CONTEND FOR THE FAITH which Christ delivered.
  • <font color=red>Contento , o-nis, f. [contendo] (acc. to CONTENDO, II.), an EAGER STRETCHING, a straining, EXERTION of the powers of body or mind, TENSION, effort, a vigorous struggling or STRIVING for something, a struggle after [work, work, work, legalism of the worst kind.]
    • (Acc. to contendo, II. B. 2.) A CONTEST, contention, strife (with weapons or WORDS), a fight, dispute, controversy
    </font>
See how this ORATION as a WAR OF WORDS is identical to the WRATH God pours out on those who make "worship" into an EXCITING EXPERIENCE which is always associated with sexual excitement.

Both Paul and Peter claimed that their words were EYE WITNESS and inspired. The demand was to "teach that which had been taught" because if you begin to deviate you open the door to the proffesionals who were NOT part of Chris't kingdom. Notice that the CONTENDING and DISCORDING Orators (rhetoricians, sOPHISts, singers, musicians) are God's MARK that you are harboring the Devil's liars who USE you and ABUSE you:
  • <font color=red>For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:5</font>

    <font color=blue>Pornos (g4205) por'-nos; from pernemi , (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by anal.) a debauchee (libertine): - fornicator, whoremonger
    • But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Re.21:8
      • NO! NOT DESTRUCTION: The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up Mt.4:16
      For WITHOUT are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and MAKETH a ;LIE. Re.22:15

      Let no man DECEIVE (Like the Nachash seduced Eve as a "musical enchanter") you with VAIN words: for because of these things cometh the WRATH of God upon the children of disobedience. Ep.5:6
    </font>
That is why the ABSOLUTE DIRECT COMMAND is to "teach that which has been taught" and "to glorify God with that which is written" the Spirit or the Word of God.

The clear word is SPEAK the Words of God because the musicians and orators WILL deceive you if you don't lay down the MARK. Paul established this LAW for both the Ephesians and Colossions. "Don't get drunk with wine" means "don't get FLUTED DOWN with wine or ignorance."

Getting fluffed up with hot air is God sending you a MARK or a strong delusion and it is called an ORGE and not "worship.
  • <font color=red>Orge (g3709) or-gay'; from 3713; prop. desire (as a reaching forth or excitement of the mind), i.e. (by anal) violent passion (ire, or [justifiable] abhorence); by impl. punishment: - anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath.

    For which things sake the WRATH of God cometh on the children of disobedience: Col.3:6

    But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Col.3:8</font>
A sermonizer is normally a Philosophos. A SOPHOS is one who believes they have SUPERIOR wisdom which can be peddled to others through. The Ophis is the serpent in the book of Revelation. He will go back into Sheol along with the musicians.

By actual definition a PHARISEE takes pay because he peddles himself as having SUPERIOR INSIGHT. One who does not see "godliness as a means of financial gain" (i.e. occupation) CANNOT be a Pharisee.
  • <font color=red>sophistês, ou, ho, master of one's CRAFT, adept, expert, of DIVINER, Hdt.2.49; of POETS, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28 , cf. Cratin.2; of MUSICIANS, sophistês
    • Same as: Aposter-êtês, one who withholds, esp. one who WITHOLDS what is due, a DEFRAUDER, CHEAT ; aposterêtên agorasas agron a farm that costs money instead of bringing it in, Com.Adesp.109.
      Concussor , o-ris, m. [id.] , one who EXTORTS money by threats (late Lat.),
    I WILL QUIT IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE OF THE TAKE!

    II. from late v B.C., a Sophist, i.e. one who gave lessons in grammar, rhetoric, politics, mathematics, for money

    2. sophist (in bad sense), QUIBBLER, CHEAT

    3. later of the rhêtores, Professors of Rhetoric, and PROSE WRITERS [Scribes] of the Empire, </font>
For instance, Philosophers who have invaded the church can SPECULATE that science proves that OLD WRITINGS such as the Bible have all TRUTH shot away when we read with out evolved eyes. The sOPHISts in the book of Revelation point directly to the SERPENT or OPHIS. The Ophis is at the same time both repulsive and attractive. Something like an auto race.

Similar Definition. A philosopher (ophis) or an ORATOR who ADDS to the Word of God is really the BIRD DEMONS Jesus warned about. He PICKS OUT THE SEED of God and "deposits" little droppings which contain the SEED of the tares. That is why Jesus made it plain that the clergy were OFF the Devil because HE SPEAKS ON HIS OWN. You cannot do that without being a liar and a SEED PICKER. That is why MUSIC and SOPHISTRY is connected to DEMONS and SORCERY.
  • <font color=blue>Spermo-logos, on, ( [legô] ) picking up seeds, of birds, Id.Demetr.28, Alex.Mynd. ap. Ath.9.388a: as Subst., rook, Arist.HA592b28; glossed koloiôdes zôion, Hsch.; spermologôn te genê Ar.Av.232 (lyr.), cf. 579.
    • koloiôdês , es, daw-like, i.e. flocking together, Plu.2.93e.
    2. ta spermologa tôn paidariôn guttersnipes, Ath.3.85f.

    II. picking up SCRAPS, gossiping, anthrôpos D.H.19.5 (Sup., ib.4); also pikra kai s. rhêmata Plu.2.456c .</font>
More later on ORATORS as SEED PICKERS. Honest preachers had better get OUT OF THE HIGH PLACE and off the HIGH HORSE and dialog and commune.

Ken Sublett
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April 26th, 2004, 2:53 pm #13

Christianity Today noted that one Methodist church had FIVE MUSICAL SECTS meeting in the same building. And it is a fact that people who rejected trying to worship IN THEIR SPIRIT with a pipe organ became the ONLY SECTARIANS in the first Restoration Not surprising, the Greek world understood that and Paul SOLVED the unity in diversity in Romans 15 by defining the ASSEMBLY as a synagogue where the MARK of faithfulness was that everyone spoke the same thing from "that which is written."

We noted that "scholars" at ACU claim to have REMOVED the old conservative doctrine of the non-instrumental churches of Christ. In order to make the prophesied end-time "church" steal everything from those who paid for it they plan to manufacture men with "Advanded degrees trained as PROPHETS, Chanellers and Facilitators."

http://www.piney.com/ACU-OSBURN.html

Jesus repudiated the DOCTORS OF THE LAW (Pharisees, Scribes) because THEY TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE.

Paul defined the role of the PASTOR-TEACHERS or elsers as to "teach that which has been taught" and to "rebuke those who oppose" that which is writte.

Paul refused to preach that which he had not received from Christ the Spirit.

He defined the SYNAGOGUE as the way for "unity in diversity." That meant that both the Orphics and Dionysiacs left their MUSICAL TRADITIONS out of the assembly. Then, with one MOUTH and one MIND the only way to glorify God was to "speak that which had been written." Jesus built an ekklesia or synagogue: not a church or circe the "holy whore" who used music and drugs as the SORCERER which was the medicinam to produce sects of the Magi.

Music had value only in CHARISMATIC rituals which intended to drive you MAD or Enthus O Mantic. Paul understood that PSALLO or MELODY attached directly to Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon and the MUSES (musica sorcerers). External melody is NOT a musical term but that of warfare. God gave the silver trumpets as WEAPONS to drive the enemy into PANIC to turn them cowards. ALL music afflicts the human spirit and makes worship in the PLACE of the human spirit impossible. That is the purpose: remember that the Judas Bag was for carrying the reeds of his wind instrument. It is derived from "speaking in tongues" and "of the kosmos" ruled by Satan. Jesus had ground the SOP and fed it to Judas and spirit of SATAN came into him. SOP is directly related to PSALLO or external melody."

In addition to Pharisees and Hypocrites (actors) the group includes rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers and musicians whose SECOND LEVEL performance was called SORCERY and the performers were parasites (the Pharisees performed and made the widows pay). For instance:

The word Musica or mousikê, the art of music, i. e. comic and dramatic poetry, musice antiquis temporibus tantum venerationis

The mousikos
  • I. of or for music, musical, Ar., Thuc., etc.; ta mousika music, Xen.; v. mousikê.

    II. of persons, skilled in music, a votary of the Muses, a man of letters and accomplishment, a scholar, more accomplished in SPEAKING

    A votary of the MUSES has pledged himself to be the AGENT of Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon.

    His speaking art is lego [!lech] to lay asleep, lull to sleep,
    • And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman (Techne=professionals) ,of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

    When Samson had to GRIND in the king's house he was turned into a prostitute. The GRINDERS speak of concubines who were also prostitutes. The end-time church IS defined as a harlot. Revelation 18 defines some of the PROFESSIONALS attracted to ride her popularity: new style worship.

    Mousikos (g3451) moo-sik-os'; from Mousa , (a Muse); "musical", i.e. (as noun) a minstrel: - musician
The craftsmen are:
  • Technites (g5079) tekh-nee'-tace; from 5078; an artisan; fig. a founder (Creator): - builder, craftsman.

    For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made SILVER SHRINES for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; Ac.19:24

    The Israelites had worshipped Dianne in Egypt and the Golden Calf points to the worship of the Egyptian Triad with MUSICAL IDOLATRY or Play:

    "As Herodotus reports, WOMEN sang the praises of Osiris while liknesses of the gods were born about and, during the festival of Diana at Bubastis, Women's singing was a vital part of all pagan worship. In other times women became priestly singers of the gods in the temple. [But, NEVER in the holy places]. They were always THE HAREM OF THE GODS. Their PERFORMANCE intends to call down the SPIRIT in order to be PRAISED (made vile) with "favors." The VINYARD "lady" boasts that this is the PURPOSE of the NEW STYLE MUSIC. That enhances the last ACT of worship which is "giving of resources." It is the almost-NORMAL method of selling GOD and WIDOWS hoping for greater wealth.

However, we have no TRAFFICK with those who build shrines but:

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Heb.11:10
  • Techne (g5078) tekh'-nay; from the base of 5088; art (as productive), i.e. (spec.) a TRADE, or (gen.) skill: - art, craft, OCCUPATION.

    Whom he called together with the workmen of like OCCUPATION (techne), and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our WEALTH. Ac.19:25
John used the PAGAN RELIGIONS of his time and place to send a secret message even to us. Circe or church--the holy whore--was burried within view of Patmos. She used music, drugs and sex to turn mean back into BEAST people and fed them on "sermons" made of dung.

While they blame anyone not TERMINALLY pledged to Satan and the occult with being LEGALISTS and SECTARIANS, they do not want you to know that by spewing out the Words of Christ and being Christ-centered they become GRACE-CENTERED. Grace is free of charge opposite opsonia or for PROFIT.
Charismatic means hedone which is "delight, enjoyment, pleasure, Lat. voluptas, Hdt., etc.; hêdonêi hêssasthai, charizesthai to give way to pleasure. hêdonên legein to speak so as to please another. Speaking in tongues is to PLEASURE one's DOMINANT LEADER

The BURDEN Jesus removed is:
  • Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please.

    Airo (g142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).

    "The most primitive form of charisma occurs in shamanism. This is the religion of the small tribal unit and the witch doctor. The shaman-- "one who is excited, moved, RAISED" (Lindholm 1990, 158)--becomes master of the "techniques of ecstasy" (Eliade 1964). Typically he (or she, for among the !Kung fully 1 0 percent of women become shamans; Lindholm 1990, 163) is identified early as one with a "shadowed heart." The shaman is not psychotic but is disturbed in some way--the "disease of God," an "emotional seizure" that originates in the unconscious of the leader and results in three "extraordinary" emotions: ecstasy, euphoria, and political passions. To produce ecstasy they may use alcohol and other drugs, music and dance, sexuality, or some combination of these; They were reluctant to seek therapy but had been forced to do so because of having been compromised by various fraudulent or sexually perverse behaviors.

    Xenophon, in Symp. 8.32, say that pederasty was the usual custom in Elis and Thebes, and Plato adds that charizesthai erastais was not considered dishonorable because the people there were too inarticulate to persuade with words.

    The same pederasty is also present in the cases in which tyrants were allegedly or actually toppled by pairs of lovers

    Voluptas a-tis (gen. plur. voluptatum and -tium), f. [Gr. elpô, to hope; root Welp-; cf. volo] , satisfaction, enjoyment, pleasure, delight (whether sensual or spiritual; syn. oblectamentum).

    B. Voluptates, sports, shows, spectacles,
Charisma (GRACE) was worshipped as a Goddess: Charisma erastais Pederasty. The word "erastais" is used in Ezekiel:


They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom. Ezec 16:33

They are not PROPHETS but PROFITS. They intend to TRAFFICK in the free Word of God. To do so they have to convince you that MY books, songs and sermons are superior to those offered free by God. The MUSICAL thrust, hermeneutics and exegetice all point to the huge RISE of the OCCULT in your church: they will hurt you real bad because GRACE the sacred whore told them to.

More of the musical-sermonizing connection later.

Ken Sublett
We cannot pass judgment on these people who PICK UP SCRAPS of old religion but they should be warned that without being Bible and history literate it is quite easy to RESTORE paganism believing that it is Christianity. All of the Greek language recognizes the PERFORMING ARTS in worship as perverted: Why pick this as the IMAGE to stand in the Hoy Places?

We noted that SERMO relates to our ONE ANOTHER dialog and SPEAKING the Word while leaving the "singing" (secular) and "melody" a (Warfare word not musical) in the HEART or SPIRIT where God seeks worshipers

On the other hand, ORATORS (rhetoricians, sOPHISts, singers, musicians) are PUBLIC PERFORMERS and related to perverted paganism and not part of Christianity. A word which defines their TRADE is:

The spermologa also TRAFFICKS on other people's ideas.
  • <font color=blue>III. as Subst., one who PICKS up and RETAILS scraps of knowledge, an idle babbler, gossip,

    The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord. Jer 23:28

    Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jer 23:29

    Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that STEAL my WORDS every one from his neighbour. Jer 23:30

    Spermologos (g4691) sper-mol-og'-os; from 4690 and 3004; a seed-picker (as the crow), i.e. (fig.) a SPONGER, LOAFER (spec. a GOSSIP or trifler in talk): - BABBLER. </font>
Especially respecting the Word of God where FURTHER EXPOUNDING by professioals is outlawed, the ORATOR or false prophet is a Pharisee, Scribe and Hypocrite we must not see them as kings but parasites:
  • <font color=blue>parasitus, i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence,

    I. In gen., a guest (pure Lat. conviva): parasiti Jovis, the gods, Varr. ap. Aug. Civ. Dei, 6, 7; App. M. 10, p. 246, 35.--Hence, parasitus Phoebi, a PLAYER, ACTOR, Mart. 9, 29, 9.--

    II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by FLATTERY and BUFFONERY, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite </font>
Of the evangelist who may receive the subsistence wage of a soldier,
  • <font color=blue>And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. Lu.10:7

    rhêtor-ikos , on, oratorical, hê rhêtorikê (sc. technê) rhetoric; of persons, skilled in SPEAKING, fit to be an ORATOR

    pikros 1 [from peukê]

    I. properly pointed, sharp, keen, oïstos Il.; glôchis Soph.;metaph., glôssês pikrois kentroisi Eur [Glosses is: through love of talking; to let loose one's tongue, speak without restraint; the tongue or mouthpiece of a pipe ]

    3. of sound, sharp, piercing, SHRILL, oimôgê, PHTHONGOS oph.; gooi Eur.

    We want to look at PHTHONGOS again

    III # 2. of persons, bitter, malignant, Solon., Hdt., attic; pikros theois HATEFUL to the GODS, Soph.; pikros politais Eur.</font>
A word with similar meaning:
  • <font color=blue>Hupo-kritikos, ê, on, belonging to hupokrisis 11 , skilled therein, esti phuseôs to hu. einai having a good delivery,

    2. suited for speaking or delivery, (sc. technê) the art of delivery, but, the actor's art

    3. metaph., acting a part, pretending to </font>
Spermologos Regularly used with:
  • <font color=blue>Turannos 2. imperious, despotic, an absolute sovereign, unlimited by law or constitution, [turannos is prob. from same Root as KURIOS,

    commeator, o-ris, m. [commeo] , one who goes to and fro, an epithet of Mercury as messenger of the gods to men </font>
See how Rubel Shelly teaches that the LOGOS of the philosophers was where John got his idea for calling Jesus the Word. However, the LOGOS of the philosohers was Hermes or Mercury.

http://www.piney.com/RSLogos.html

Kenneth Sublett
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July 4th, 2004, 4:22 am #14

<font color=blue>musica, ae, and mu-si(ce- , e-s, f., = mousikê, the art of music, music; acc. to the notions of the ancients, also every higher kind of artistic or scientific culture or pursuit: musicam Damone..,i. e. comic and dramatic poetry 1, 10, 9
  • Similar meaning:

    exegetice
    , es, f., = exêgêtikê, the art of interpretation, exegesis,
    • Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe.1:20
</font>
Christ identified His role as SON as speaking what He heard from the FATHER within. He defined the clergy as sons of the Devil because they "speak on their own."

Jesus promised to build an ekklesia or synagogue where "two or three" could meet with Him in a position of REST. The "theatrical performers" laded a BURDEN which was "spiritual anxiety from religious ritual." I physically grasped that, in fact, while listening to a FHU singing group which once felt SPIRITUAL but suddenly sounded DEMONIC as ALL of the Bible and history knows it to be.

Christ the Spirit God DOES NOT NEED further expounding and using the MELODY word (Psallo) which is not remotely musical but speaks of warfare with bows and arrows of which Apollo is the father.
  • <font color=blue>Epilusis (g1955) ep-il'-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: - interpretation.
    Epiluo (g1956) ep-ee-loo'-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (fig.) to explain, decide: - determine, expound. </font>
The Greek world identified rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers and musicians as SORCERERS. Because the guitarIST or psalmODIA provided no lasting value they were classed as PARASITES. Do you remember FHU sending out 'missionaries' dressed as Gargoyles (demons)?
  • <font color=blue>MAGICE- , e-s, f., = magikê (sc. technê), the </font> <font color=red>magic </font> <font color=blue> art, magic, </font> <font color=red>SORCERY, </font> <font color=blue> medicinam: magices </font> <font color=red>factio, </font>
  • <font color=blue> magia, ae, f., = mageia, the science of the Magi, magic, </font> <font color=RED> SORCERY </font> <font color=blue> (post-class.), App. M. 3, 16, p. 201 fin.; id. Mag. p. 290, 23; 304, 24; id. M. 3, p. 136, 19; p. 137, 36; Prud. adv. Symm. 1, 89.</font>
  • <font color=red>FACTIO</font> <font color=blue>, o-nis, f. [id.] II. (Acc. to facio, II. B.; lit., a taking part or siding with any one; hence concr.) A company of persons associated or acting together, a class, order, sect, faction, party (syn.: pars, partes, causa, rebellio, perduellio, seditio).
    B. In partic., a company of political adherents or partisans, a party, side, faction </font>
ONCE- Christian colleges are the major sowers of discord by sending out musical worship teams (how disgusting and blasphemous) because NO Phd knows the facts. Donnie has noted that 90% of division and deliberate SOWING OF DISCORD is caused by musicians wanting to PERFORM.
  • <font color=blue> mageia , hê, theology of the Magians, m. hê Zôroastrou Pl.Alc.1.122a . </font>
Techne is a crafty craftsman:
  • <font color=blue> And the voice of harpers, and musicians, (Abaddon's Singing Team) and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22 </font>
There are no exceptions: any kind of artistic skill used to PROP UP God was seen as sorcery and the participants were parasites.

Ken
I was in the FHU Ambassadors, of which you speak, a few years ago. I respect your opinion and your passion. However, I would like to know if you think that all singing mentioning God is worship. If so, is it worship when we praise God for the beauty of nature in a sentence? Is every mention of God worship? If not, is it wrong to use talents and skill to spread God's word? Is it wrong to paint a picture of the Last Supper? Is it wrong for a crafted jeweler to create a necklace in the shape of a cross? Is that worship, or is that simply dwelling on that which is good? If it is not truly worship, then should we not dwell on God outside of worship? Is it wrong for five young people to sing about their God if it is not during a worship setting?



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July 5th, 2004, 2:34 pm #15

I was speaking of doing mission work dressed as gargoyles. These are "griffins" or "demons." I don't know why you cannot just "teach that which has been taught." Children are already crippled by teachers teaching at teachers levels rather at the advanced stage which all are able to learn as proven by being able to memorize and recite destructive singing methods with destructive messages. The Mogen David philosophy of education: "We will teach not fact before its time" has the teachers having to go to their children to learn how to do advanced computer stuff.

Worship in the external sense literally means to fall on your face or faun before God as a dog licking its master's boots. I suggest that worship be in "reverence and Godly fear because God is still a consuming fire."

The woman at the well was "spiritual" enough that she knew that "Messiah will TELL us all things." Jesus defined worship in the PLACE of the human spirit which is the human mind just as God as pure or holy (wholly) Spirit is the Mind of Christ. That is as difficult for flesh-based people to grasp as SPEAK or PREACH the inspired metrical text. People can read SPEAK or TEACH or ADMONISH and it literally CANNOT be grasped by the mind or spirit. Therefore even Phds translate it SING externally and MAKE MELODY externally when the Spirit in Paul could not have made it clearer.

Paul said that the circumcised Jews now "worshipped God IN the SPIRIT." No one seems to be able to read that: especially "scholars." They translate it "sing enspirited" which means Enthus O mania or the mad prophesying. But Paul contrasted worship IN THE SPIRIT because "we have no confidence in the flesh." Therefore, Paul defined the place of worship in a POSITIVE sense and then defined it as NOT being related to the flesh. If you can see it, hear it, smell it or touch it it simply CANNOT be in the spirit or mind. The mind can focus on only one thing well at a time. When we sing a "song" in the modern sense, the total brain and mind is CONSUMED with trying to translate and interpret the simple song or poem. When you add: four different tunes, at four different times, with four different voices with four different sets of words you have SCRAMBLED the brain and there can be NO intent on either teaching or worship. The brain is put into a frenzy which the Greek world calls MADNESS. The effect is to cause PANIC or fear which is trafficked as "spiritual." History knows that SOMEBODY does not want the songs and sermons of God in Christ to be heard in the SPIRIT. Music has no role to play in "worship."

The temple was a model from which the people's congregation was excluded. Outside the holy places the singers and musicians made a great crashing sound. It was called "service" which means hard bondage even connected to the word for Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon. They SERVED the priests while the priest sacrificed tens of thousands of TYPES of Lord Jesus Christ. The Levitical warrior musicians mocked Jesus right to the cross.

The Holy Place had the symbols of the function of the synagogue which the common people attended (even in the wilderness). That was the bread of communion, the seven lights representing the seven spirits of God ALL related to knowledge taught by God. The Incense altar was in or looked into the Most Holy Place. The incense typified our own silent prayers during which there was total silence (no back up band).

The "national" worship was in the Most Holy Place in darkness and silence where the "priest" meets God alone: any singers or musicians who attempted to "lead" you into the presence of God would be executed because they presumed to be Christ the one and only Mediator.

The WORD was under the Mercy Seat and therefore believers must accept the sacrifice of Christ and be "washed" before they can enter in to meet God--no help possible, please.

Jesus TAUGHT in the synagogues but preached the kingdom throughout the area. However, He defined our alms as private and calculated secret. He commanded that our prayers be in the CLOSET and not public. He said of the twos or threes "I will give you REST and then you can 'come learn of me'." Worship is holding the thought of God in our minds. Therefore that is not COMMANDED nor is it POSSIBLE in a public assembly where people feel obligated to flood the "theater" with sight, sound and motion: the ladies try to bring in incense flowers. When you "give heed" to these your SPIRIT cannot possibly give heed to God.

You have heard of the RELIGIOUS WARS in Africa? Well, this is caused by musical-charismatic people--including churches of Christers in connection with the Christian Church--absolutely making Muslims justifiably violant as you use "demons" to teach, use the Lucado-Shelly trinitariasm and make the services into loud, musical "mind control" propoganda events. Rubel Shelly proposes that Jesus would join in a pork barbeque during pot luck. Some far out church takes the Lord's Supper with pork oozing from their teeth just after they have "wooorrshupped" their pagan god as THREE persons (people). I suggested that if you go dressed as DEMONS you can mark up division and even wars to your charge.

Music IS a word of warfare and sorcery because it shuts down your rational (spiritual) nature and scrambles your brain. They PROCURE musical worship leaders to "lead you to the presence of the collection plate" for which they have no command.

Ken



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July 7th, 2004, 11:35 pm #16

I was in the FHU Ambassadors, of which you speak, a few years ago. I respect your opinion and your passion. However, I would like to know if you think that all singing mentioning God is worship. If so, is it worship when we praise God for the beauty of nature in a sentence? Is every mention of God worship? If not, is it wrong to use talents and skill to spread God's word? Is it wrong to paint a picture of the Last Supper? Is it wrong for a crafted jeweler to create a necklace in the shape of a cross? Is that worship, or is that simply dwelling on that which is good? If it is not truly worship, then should we not dwell on God outside of worship? Is it wrong for five young people to sing about their God if it is not during a worship setting?


You are wasting your time trying to argue with someone like this.
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November 20th, 2004, 2:59 pm #17

The reproaches of CHRIST cause the traitors to abandon the ONLY name of God because they do not have the Spirit of Christ as proven by their treatment of Baptism. Isn't it interesting that the BELIEVETH NOTS who do not believe what Jesus Christ said about salvaton are defined as TREACHEROUS. Not just uninformed: eternal traitors.

The message of Apollo or Abaddon or Apollyon unleashing the LOCUSTS which are the Muses or musical performers is that those with the musical mark (History is certain about that) chases away those with the Mark of Christ, His Word and the seal of baptism. At the same time, we are certain that ALL musical terms--including MELODY--are warfare words of those who are taking you CAPTIVE. The task of the locusts or musical performers under Apollo is to take captive and TORTURE the lost with music turned by a Satanic lie into a "spiritual" feeling.

They turn to music because of the reproach of Christ, His task as TEACHER and the Word as RESOURCE. The REPROACHES are often hatched up by those selling books and sermons who know there is not much TRAFFICK in a literate, faithful church.

Another MARK is that they CUT UP the Godhead like a pecan pie contrary to all history which speaks of the TRINITY nature but NEVER a tri-cut of the Godhead. The term CHURCH OF GOD gives them the excuse to adopt it as the NAME of their witness to the world because THEIR Christ is assuredly not the Christ of the Bible.

There are DOZENS of passages which prove that the NAME of God is Jesus, Joshua or Jehovah-Saves. And that when we see CHURCH OF GOD the context shows that it is IN CHRIST. Those awake with their clothes with them can grasp two doctrines: First, that since things equal to the same thing are equal to one another the CHRIST OF GOD is GOD annointing and indwelling Jesus. Secondly, because the GODHEAD pre Lucado / Shelly is NEVER seen as separated into persons (people), there are not TWO people over Whom the carnal mind can SOW DISCORD. The church of God is the church of Christ ans so proclaims the Bible and all of church history:

http://www.piney.com/ChofChristName.html

When we speak of CHURCH we praise and worship CIRCE the holy whore of Paul's Patmos arena. She seduced using MUSIC and drugs which also means "magical incantations." Praise songs are "sorcery" because they attempt to change the Mind of God or mankind by the "Old Wive's Tales" which included the matical enchantments of the OLD, dead women which became cataloged or in the SONG BOOK to be used by others. To sing their magical songs made them SORCERERS. The Greek culture sees CANTUS and MUSICA as a weapon of warfare just as is the word MELODY. It means to FRIGHTEN and AFFLICT people and TRAFFIC on the lie that it is the SPIRIT PERSON jumping and jiving.

Our Word GOD is derived from GAD the hostile tribe and the GOD OF FORTUNE.

To remove one's identity as belonging to CHRIST is to deny His unique ownership as the ONE and ONLY God of the universe.

Paul defined pagan religions ALL built on MUSICAL PREFERENCE (Orphic and Dionysiac) and in Romans 15 defined the Synagogue where we do not PLEASE in the sense of exciting the PLEASURE CENTERS (which would make it adulterous):
  • <font color=blue>For even Christ PLEASED NOT himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Rom 15:3

    For whatsoever things were WRITTEN AFORETIME were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Rom 15:4

    Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Rom 15:5

    That ye may with ONE MIND and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 15:6

    Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us, to the glory of God. Rom 15:7 </font>
The only SPEAKING role in the church is assigned to the Pastor- Teachers: If they hire a hireling then they are bringing on the WRATH of God. Wrath is defined as making a BUFFOON out of those who would RISE UP and become a JESTER as the MARK that the group has been ABANDONED without redemption:
  • <font color=blue> If any man SPEAK,
    let him speak (Eph 5:19)as the ORACLES of God;
    if any man MINISTER, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
    that God in all things may be GLORIFIED through Jesus Christ, to whom be PRAISE and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11 </font>
Paul spoke but the deaf and blind CANNOT HEAR that the way to GLORIFY GOD is to SPEAK with one mind and one mouth "that which is written" which is by the Spirit of Christ (1 Pet 1:11; Rev 19:10). What CANNOT our "doctors of the law" understand about the word SPEAK?

The elders MUST "teach that whichhas been taught" or they are the WOLVES Paul warned about. If you have talent--say singing in an entertaining (effeminate) style then by all means go to the nursing home and MINISTER.

WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS AN EFFEMINATE MINORITY WHO DO NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND WITH JESUS CHRIST WHILE HE RECEIVES HIS SECOND CRUCIFIXION.

People who have REPUDIATED Christ by claiming that the Name of Christ is a REPROACH which hinders breaking down the walls are letting the BEAST PEOPLE in (Amos, Isaiah 5). It is a FACT that the REPROACHES are brought by the same people who want to MAKE MERCHANDISE of you--They have LOST their blessings and TURNED COWARD (the role of music did this) and repudiated CHRIST because they JUST COULDN'T BEAR their tiny invoice of the BURDEN:
  • <font color=blue>If ye be REPROACHED for the NAME of CHRIST, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe.4:14 </font>
Reproach is exactly what singing, clapping and doing "body worship" (spiritual nakedness or showing the private parts) INTENDS TO ACCOMPLISH.
  • <font color=red>Oneidizo (g3679) on-i-did'-zo; from 3681; to defame, i.e. rail at, chide, taunt: - cast in teeth, (suffer) reproach, revile, upbraid.

    Blessed are ye, when men shall HATE YOU, and when they shall SEPARATE you from their COMPANY, and shall REPROACH you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of mans sake. Lu.6:22 </font>
Been there; Done that. There can be NO DOUBT when people APPLAUD (and therefore REPROACH others) churches for a sudden INRUSH of people as soon as they REMOVE THE NAME OF CHRIST. Most of these "growth" gurus have already TAKEN CAPTIVE another church just waiting for you to remove the REPROACH. Oak Hills VISIONS being the MOTHER CHURCH of San Antonio (or is that a lie?)

The FAITHFUL:
  • <font color=blue>Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.Heb.11:26 </font>
I would esteem Donnie as being the always-tiny REMNANT whom I have never caught in even a minor failure to grasp the WORD of Christ (which is the Spirit and Life of Christ. Jn 6:63). At the same time, those who ESTEEM success and musical (sexual) stimulation NEVER miss a tiny chance to REPROACH him for just speaking what Jesus and His inspired team recorded. The same MOCKERS would just looovveee-uh to take down that Christ sign and replace Him with COMMUNITY. One Greek word for living in community means a MONASTERY. Community as FAMILIA demands a MASTER OF THE HOUSE.

In the mind of Paul "Fools love to be fooled." Rubel Shelly uses the Exodus and Wilderness as a PATTERN FOR CHRISTIAN WORSHIP and COMMUNITY (commune where you have LOST your right to read, understand and teach the Word of God. This is what the Catholics have been afflicted with.) And that is why no "audience" of these groups will DARE question "god's annointed"

http://www.piney.com/RS.Discipling.2.1.html

WHO IS GOD AND "TELL US, WHAT IS HIS NAME?"
  • <font color=blue>Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his sons name, if thou canst tell? Pr.30:4

    Therefore if any man be IN CHRIST, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Acts 5:17

    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 2 Cor 5:18 </font>
<font color=red>
  • To wit, that God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
    not imputing their trespasses unto them;
    and hath committed unto us the WORD of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5: 19
</font>
  • <font color=blue>Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christs stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2 Cor 5: 20

    For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness OF GOD in him. 2 Cor 5: 21

    But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Ac.8:12 </font>
The NAME (singular) of the so-called baptismal formula proves that Jesus Christ is the NAME of Father, Son and Spirit. Therefore, Paul baptized on Pentecost in the NAME of Jesus Christ.
  • <font color=blue>Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 1Co.1:2 </font>
We will look at other proofs that GOD as Christ came into the world and lived in a human body. The SON is the physical manifestation of the invisible FATHER. To separate the Godhead into a FAMILY of GODS is a unique heresy in the history of the Church. The LUST to remove the name CHRIST and depend on the hallucinated PERSON of a separated Spirit of Christ is intended to do an END RUN around what Christ in the flesh taught and inspired. The NAME of Father, Son and Spirit is Jesus Christ. Removing His name because of SELF-INVENTED reproaches is a TERMINAL REPUDIATION of all that we know about God.

Ken Sublett
And in the Jerusalem temple, musicical instuments were played in their worship. How do you feel about that?
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November 20th, 2004, 8:29 pm #18

A young lady in Seattle approached me after a Bible class:

"Ken, you have a great brain: just like fine cheese -- SWISS."

Well, Lynn, there are LOTS of holes in the knowledge base of all who depend on CHURCHING instead of SYNAGOGUING as the way to worship God. Like the Buffalo path which became the Indian trail which became the Oregon Train which became a super-highway, we still take the same curved path but HAVE FORGOTTEN why we are ANTI as they like to call us.

The blind spot begins in Egypt: God's justice would have left them there to self-destruct. However, He had made a prophecy AND the Israelites were so ungodly that they were giving Him a black eye. So, He rescued them and gave them another chance by restating the Abrahamic Covenant of Grace. The Bible calls it The Book of the Covenant. The Israelites subscribed to the oral covenant but before the "ink" could get dry while Moses was back up on Sinai getting the 70 enabling rules, the people ROSE UP TO PLAY. That was the musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity under the image of the golden calf (calves?).

God took away The Book of the Covenant symbolized by Moses breaking the ten "words." These words or commandments were NEVER restated in their GRACE form. The "because of transgression" spoken about by Paul was musical idolatry. God gave them The Book of the Law and promised them that they would be regulated but would go into captivity and death which they had EARNED the old fashioned way with MUSICAL IDOLATRY instead of spiritual worship which is NOT charismatic but IN THE HUMAN MIND. God made all but the LEVI tribe "strangers." This meant that they would never be allowed to approach God's symbolic presence in the Tabernacle or ANYWHERE. The priests bore the burden both physically and liturgically to slaughter any surplus innocent animals. This was to make them aware of just how sinful sin was. No singer, musician or speaker could enter into the Holy Place which was a carnal type of the body or church of Christ as seen in the three emblems of a "synagogue."

When Israel's elders "fired" God it was, in effect, firing Christ Who was The Spirit of Christ or God. God knew that it was so that they could to WORSHIP LIKE THE NATIONS. He warned that the KING would take the TITHE for himself and their daughters to serve him and his "ministry team" and the boys to make INSTRUMENTS OF CHARIOTS. These were musical instruments which all earthly potentates used to BLAST the 'congregation' out of the way. We have lots of data and images of INSTRUMENTS OF CHARIOTS.

Ezekiel says that God gave Israel kings in His anger and took them away in His anger. Judah was no different except they had a few good kings. David was one of the kings God choose to lead them with some mercy on their way to Babylon.

When David sinned so that plagues broke out on the people, Gad, the king's SEER (stargazer) got the message that David would be permitted to offer sacrifices in a Jebusite High Place later identified as Jerusalem and Sodom. Scholars agree that this was an alternative altar for ADDITIONAL sacrifices. When David made his PLAGUE STOPPING animal sacrifices there is no evidence that he used instruments. However, his plans for Solomon's future was that the musicians would be under the KING and the COMMANDERS OF THE ARMY. Only "draft age" males were MUSTERED in the three annual festivals. One might take one year's tithe, convert it into money, LAY IT BY IN STORE BY HIMSELF, go to Jerusalem and "eat, drink and be merry." These were NOT festivals for the common civilian population. It might be over 200 years between the MUSICAL passages which define PURIFICATION or DEDICATION animal sacrifices for kings, temple, city, nation. But NEVER for congregational singing with instrumental accompaniment. This does not prevent the new COMMERCIAL CHURCHES from lying that "why, they made music all of the time."

David was king and not a "worship leader." He never performed publicly except in his MORTAL, FEARFUL moving of the Ark of the Covenant. Then, the same MOUNT SINAI concept of RISING UP TO PLAY is used of David as he sang, danced the spinning 'till I puke' dance, played his harp, stopped often to make animal sacrifices, lost his EPHOD (the feminine priestly garment) until his wife saw him as what SHE defined as NAKED. Not to worry David says, "I will be held in honor by the slave girls." David used the PRAISE word which means to MAKE SELF VILE or INSANE. Sure, spinning till you puked or singing, playing and drinking till you puked was PROOF that the gods were inside. They tell the same lie about "intoxicated on ignorance" in "musical worship" which is always defined as polluting.

The non-military age including men, women and children were never REQUIRED to attend these festivals. Other than the festivals, the Sabbaths were never called A DAY OF WORSHIP but A DAY OF REST. Any community with ten males and a qualified teacher or portions of the Word held A HOLY CONVOCATION but could not travel to the normal BABYLONIAN SABBATH "worship services." This word means to READ or REHEARSE the Word. They depended heavily on Oral "Scripture" and this is what Paul demanded when He said TEACH and not SING. By learning a new portion of the Law [read through in a three year cycle where we have evidence] they could do exactly what early Christians did: they could return to their NORMAL LIVES and "sing and make melody IN THEIR HEART." Our kids sing obscene lyrics which are WRITTEN ON THEIR HEARTS and we make sure that they AIN'T A GONNA HEAR NO SCRIPTURE to be embedded in their hearts throughout the week.

With Jesus, the SPIRITUAL person who would be both KING and PRIEST on "one throne" it is proclaimed that DAVID IS DEAD and you can still see his tomb. On the other hand, "Elijah" came to prepare the way and Paul defines Baptism as the "saved by faith" promised to Abraham so that we are spiritual Israelites. The Monarchy was against God's will and everything that is recorded is for our admonition but NOT for our WORSHIP PATTERN. David praised God for letting him put his heels on and shed the blood OF the Gentiles. Jesus the Spiritual king/priest would shed HIS blood FOR the Gentiles. Unless we are going to shed the blood of Jesus in the parking lot we had better not be caught CLAIMING to be Levitical singers taking the TITHES AND OFFERINGS.

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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

November 20th, 2004, 9:53 pm #19

And in the Jerusalem temple, musicical instuments were played in their worship. How do you feel about that?
It's been stressed over and over again too many times on this site that music played on instruments was proper for worship in the Law of Moses. That changed when Christ came along. Even though Christ forever laid to rest the Old Law with His death, burial, and resurrection, people still insist on following both the Law of Moses, as far as using musical instruments is concerned, and the Law of Christ in the New Testament as well, which mentions absolutely nothing about the use of musical instruments. If you follow the Law of Moses, then you MUST adhere to it completely by observing ALL of the sacrifices and ALL the other rituals as prescribed therein, or you violate the Old Law. Read Eph. 5:19. We are commanded to use ONLY the human voice as music in our worship, NOTHING else. Just because Christ didn't say not to, we must NOT presume that we can add instrumental music to worship. We may be "free in Christ," but we are not free to do as we please. Since we cannot serve two masters, God and mammon, we also cannot serve two laws, the Law of Moses and the Law of Christ.
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February 17th, 2016, 5:44 pm #20

We cannot pass judgment on these people who PICK UP SCRAPS of old religion but they should be warned that without being Bible and history literate it is quite easy to RESTORE paganism believing that it is Christianity. All of the Greek language recognizes the PERFORMING ARTS in worship as perverted: Why pick this as the IMAGE to stand in the Hoy Places?

We noted that SERMO relates to our ONE ANOTHER dialog and SPEAKING the Word while leaving the "singing" (secular) and "melody" a (Warfare word not musical) in the HEART or SPIRIT where God seeks worshipers

On the other hand, ORATORS (rhetoricians, sOPHISts, singers, musicians) are PUBLIC PERFORMERS and related to perverted paganism and not part of Christianity. A word which defines their TRADE is:

The spermologa also TRAFFICKS on other people's ideas.
  • <font color=blue>III. as Subst., one who PICKS up and RETAILS scraps of knowledge, an idle babbler, gossip,

    The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord. Jer 23:28

    Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jer 23:29

    Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that STEAL my WORDS every one from his neighbour. Jer 23:30

    Spermologos (g4691) sper-mol-og'-os; from 4690 and 3004; a seed-picker (as the crow), i.e. (fig.) a SPONGER, LOAFER (spec. a GOSSIP or trifler in talk): - BABBLER. </font>
Especially respecting the Word of God where FURTHER EXPOUNDING by professioals is outlawed, the ORATOR or false prophet is a Pharisee, Scribe and Hypocrite we must not see them as kings but parasites:
  • <font color=blue>parasitus, i, m., = parasitos, lit. one who eats with another; hence,

    I. In gen., a guest (pure Lat. conviva): parasiti Jovis, the gods, Varr. ap. Aug. Civ. Dei, 6, 7; App. M. 10, p. 246, 35.--Hence, parasitus Phoebi, a PLAYER, ACTOR, Mart. 9, 29, 9.--

    II. In partic., in a bad sense, one who, by FLATTERY and BUFFONERY, manages to live at another's expense, a sponger, toad-eater, parasite </font>
Of the evangelist who may receive the subsistence wage of a soldier,
  • <font color=blue>And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. Lu.10:7

    rhêtor-ikos , on, oratorical, hê rhêtorikê (sc. technê) rhetoric; of persons, skilled in SPEAKING, fit to be an ORATOR

    pikros 1 [from peukê]

    I. properly pointed, sharp, keen, oïstos Il.; glôchis Soph.;metaph., glôssês pikrois kentroisi Eur [Glosses is: through love of talking; to let loose one's tongue, speak without restraint; the tongue or mouthpiece of a pipe ]

    3. of sound, sharp, piercing, SHRILL, oimôgê, PHTHONGOS oph.; gooi Eur.

    We want to look at PHTHONGOS again

    III # 2. of persons, bitter, malignant, Solon., Hdt., attic; pikros theois HATEFUL to the GODS, Soph.; pikros politais Eur.</font>
A word with similar meaning:
  • <font color=blue>Hupo-kritikos, ê, on, belonging to hupokrisis 11 , skilled therein, esti phuseôs to hu. einai having a good delivery,

    2. suited for speaking or delivery, (sc. technê) the art of delivery, but, the actor's art

    3. metaph., acting a part, pretending to </font>
Spermologos Regularly used with:
  • <font color=blue>Turannos 2. imperious, despotic, an absolute sovereign, unlimited by law or constitution, [turannos is prob. from same Root as KURIOS,

    commeator, o-ris, m. [commeo] , one who goes to and fro, an epithet of Mercury as messenger of the gods to men </font>
See how Rubel Shelly teaches that the LOGOS of the philosophers was where John got his idea for calling Jesus the Word. However, the LOGOS of the philosohers was Hermes or Mercury.

http://www.piney.com/RSLogos.html

Kenneth Sublett
This thread is bumped for my earlier comments on the sabbath. It is for reference only and if you don't respond it will slide off first place pretty fast.

Many or most of the churches Purpose Driven to fall backwards into Babylonianism held their "third services" on Saturday. This was to give them authority to debunk the First Day as special and also to build a claque of youth programmed to enjoy "instrumental praise." These services became alternative services on Sunday, then became the Contemporary Worship services intending to make all services instrumental.

They were Purpose Driven because Apollo or Abaddon was one of the SUN gods and as Judaizers they were unwittingly or half-wittingly abandoning themselves to the worship of the starry host.

Sabazianism is a name given to worship on the Seventh day to refute God's giving a DAY OF REST.

That was then and this is now but it will serve for those who think that Jesus died to give THEM an occupation by literally and emotionally binding WE who got the liberty to WORKING and praying really hard to put the yokes back on those Jesus liberated. Again, spiritual covenants are made with the HOUSES, families or the laity exclusive of and freed from Priests and Levites.

Jesus died to give us REST and invited us to come outside the masses and LEARN OF ME. That sounds like a pretty good ONE-PIECE PATTERN.

Iamblichus wrote Of the Hebrew Kadeshim and the Eleusinian. Thus "Bacchus was directly called upon," he says. The Sabazian worship was Sabbatic; the names Evius, or Hevius, and Luaios are identical with Hivite and Levite. The French name Louis is the Hebrew Levi; Iacchus again is Iao or Jehovah; and Baal or Adon, like Bacchus, was a phallic god. "Who shall ascend into the hill (the high place) of the Lord?" asks the holy king David, "who shall stand in the place of his Kadushu [[Heb char]]"? (Psalms xxiv. 3). Kadesh may mean in one sense to devote, hallow, sanctify, and even to initiate or to set apart; but it also means the ministers of lascivious rites (the Venus-worship) and the true interpretation of the word Kadesh is bluntly rendered in Deuteronomy xxiii. 17; Hosea iv. 14; and Genesis xxxviii., from verses 15 to 22. The "holy" Kadeshuth of the Bible were identical as to the duties of their office with the Nautch-girls of the later Hindu pagodas.


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