Rick Atchley: Prophet of Unity?

Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

November 14th, 2006, 3:17 am #1

Rick Atchley defines his PATTERNISM for uniity: don't let OTHERS impose their CONVICTIONS. That really works IF you meet each week to REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word of God. That defines the REST which "outlawed sending out ministers" and meant what Jesus died to give US by firing the "doctors of the Law" who by definition take away the key to knowledge. Numbers 10:7 outlawed the ALARM which was "playing horns and making a loud, rejoicing noise to the Lord." This was the UNIVERSAL war chant or the command to TRAVEL. REST in Greek demands "stop the speaking, stop the singing, stop the music" which PARSES to PANIC to "wear out the saints of God." Rick has his VISIONS and VOICES to define most pagan religions of the time of Jesus.

You CAN all SPEAK THE SAME THINGS if minimal IQ lets you grasp that Paul commanded speaking with ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH and using the "pre apostasy" THAT which is written or Scripture. That OUTLAWS Rick because HE will not do that and would not TOLERATE anyone else doing CHURCH of the Bible. There is NO music concept in the assemblies called by God from "the church in the wilderness" until Jesus returns: if you USE music and musicians you are defined by the Bible and all literature as performing SORCERY because you MUST use mind control or people would NOT put money into the UNSCRIPTURAL collection plates unless RICKY is DESTITUTE.

Rick Atchley is the SOWER OF DISCORD and DISUNITY of "Biblical proportion." Furthermore, he trains others how do DO church which is about 100% antithetical to what Jesus died to found: but Jesus didn't get paid enough so they said, "get over it or get out."

http://www.churchcentral.com/nw/s/id/24 ... ticle.html

When preachers tell tall tales in order to JUSTIFY THEMSELVES Gallup says that they are about 80% just FABRICATED.
  • Rick Atchley. <font color=red>7. Be of the same mind.

    This is the mind of Christ. Atchley cited Romans 15 on congregational unity, and Philippians 2 about considering others better than oneself.</font>
Jesus said that He put HIS mind or spirit into His WORDS so that, according to Peter, we can MARK the false teacher. Furthermore, Romans 14-15 are the chapters used to justify ANYTHING. In Rick's new revelation that apparently includes alcohol which someone misled him about. When a church goes MEGA it is normaly a PICTURE of one dominant or charismatic individual. Rick proves the thesis of STRONG DELUSIONS.

Paul used the MEAT or other dietary terms as IDENTIFIERS of the various sects PRIOR to becoming believers. The EATING and DRINKING and PLAY was the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai which God saw as their PRAYER to return to paganism. The MONARCHY which Rick and all of the PhDuhs use to authorize a priestly class, taking up connections, church as MASS and MUSIC was the CURSE added to Israel when they FIRED God and hird them a KING SET OVER THEM where God understood it to mean "so we can worship like the nations" or Pagans. Ricks TAKE of women deaconesses and music PROVES that the Bible is not the standard: you CANNOT get a mega church until God has PUT OUT THE CANDLES MARKED when you added charismtaic speakers, singers and musicians: John calls them SORCERERS and Jesus pointed to the MOUTH RELIGIONISTS to define the HYPOCRITE.

Paul did not command CONFORMITY but SILENCED private diversities NOT sinful within themselves because NOTHING but 'that which is written' is the authorized and CHRISTIAN resource for holding "school of the Bible." He went directly into chapter 15 which had NO praise service, NO preaching and NO passing of the plate: they had a POOR BOX for the POOR. Did you GET THAT? Help for the POOR? You CANNOT build a mega church without fleeching the widows.

If one eats dung because Circe (church) the holy whore hand kneeds it for them, they might do that in private. However, if they insist that they bring dung balls for everyone else to eat or "get over it or get out" then the MEAT parable fools Rick as it was intended to do.

The DIETARY practices were identifiers for the major groups in Rome where MUSIC was the "arousal stroking" used by all groups so that some had been CONTAINED by Rome long before the time of Paul. Therefore, in Romans 14 Paul OUTLAWED the private diversities from being disputed or DIALOGED in what he always identified as a "synagogue." The SYNAGOGUE "had no praise service" and assuredly no THEATRICAL PREACHING: the did what Paul commanded Timoty to READ the word, exhort the keeping of THAT portion and to explain any doctrinal or universal patterns.

Phythagoras had brought the MUSIC as MAGIC from Egypt and Babylon. This was used to induce what Paul knew of as MADNESS as a desired SELF-PLEASURING by which you build mega churches. The Phythagoreans and Orphics were the only VEGETARIANS (bean eaters) in Rome and the Dionysiacs were the meat eaters and wine drinkers.

PAUL DEFINED BOTH THE ASSEMBLY AND WORSHIP. With the addition of the Lord's Supper it was identical to the synagogue which "never had a praise service." Please note that the synagogue was for EDUCATION which is the meaning of EDIFICATION. Getting goosed up with music and rituals is a direct violation of the REST Jesus died to give so SO THAT whe can "come learn of Me."

Paul defined the synagogue or assembly in Rome. If the assembly is a synagogue or school of the Bible then he rules out the divisive issues which in Rome involved music among all of the sects. The diversity in Romans 15 were the dionysiacs who were wine-drinkers and meat eaters. They ALSO saw worship as PLEASURING one another and depended on singing and instruments. The Orphics were the only possible vegetarians or "seed eaters" in Rome but the too depended a lot on musical rituals.

Paul uses words like ASSEMBLY and GATHERING to define THOSE who gathered themselves together. This is always a form of the Greek word SYNAGOGUE. We know for a fact that "playing instruments and making a joyful noise before the Lord" was OUTLAWED as the Alarm or Triumph over. This was the "church in the wilderness." The faithful Jews NEVER forgot that LAW as they gathered each Sabbath not to worship but to synagogue or be a school of the Bible. This did not change for the Jews until 1815 in a liberal German synagogue. Even so everyone knew that it was unlawful to play instruments on the Sabbath so the hired a Gentile organist and DIVIDED the synagogue.

Paul' s UNIQUE worship word which escapes the attention of people involved with music is to GIVE HEED to the word of God as THE primary meaning of worship. Paul instructed Timothy to "give attendance to the public reading of the Word."

Therefore, Paul begins with what is the CHRISTIAN SYNAGOGUE which does not allow diversities from the preaching and singing "that which is written."

<font color=red>Rom 15:1 WE then that are strong ought to BEAR the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.</font>

Heard today that ANGER can kill you if you have a weak heart. MUSIC and EXCITING religionism creates the same DRUG OVERLOAD and even Simple Simon at the Towers of Babbling understood that you could MANIPULATE people with music. They also understood that music which was soothing to some was DESTRUCTIVE to those with the infirmities of, say, a lack of seretonins. Music which AROUSES everyone to make Rick seem them as ENRAPTURED meant "raped" or Enthus O mania. People go away from ALL religious rituals where you PPRESUME to bring them into the presense of the "gods" was always understood to be MORTAL FEAR. Only banditos can TRAFFICATE on damaging religious rituals which BIBLE 101A prove that Jesus OUTLAWED as the 'burden' which includes AN EXTRA TAX when the preachercatos whine that "Jesus paid it all."

Any kind of "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals" is the laded burden Jesus DIED to cast down. SELF-pleasing as opposed to pleasing-for-education is the same MUSICAL creation of "mental excitement." In the Greek documents the DEMAGOGUES use "the performing arts to appease the People" whom he LIFTS UP for his own purposes (Heresy). The text often introduce the word KLEPTOMA in the formula.
  • Please is the Greek meaning of the lust of the flesh:

    <font color=blue>Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please.

    Airo (g142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).</font>
If it is MY conviction that we should take the liberty FROM religionism of Jesus or OPPOSE Rick who wants to IMPOSE a burden then undoubtedly Rick has some GOOD ELDERS to say "get over it or get out."

The REST Jesus died for means the SAME THING: if you artificially stimulate with speakers, singers or musicians Jesus identifies you as HYPOCRITES (Isa and Ezek). And John and all of the definitions of MUSICAL TERMS identifies you as SORCERERS who were identified as PARASITES.

This had the same meaning of EXTERNAL SINGING:
  • <font color=blue>Aoidê 1. art of song, autar aoidên thespesiên, spell, incantation,

    Aeidô sing,.hence of all kinds of vocal sounds, crow as cocks, hoot as owls, croak as frogs,; hoi tettiges chamothen aisontai, crowing too soon.</font>
The tettiges are the LOCUSTS which are the MUSES serving Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon. They were driven into hell for bad mouthing the MOTHER GODDEss (ZOE). About now the old falling star has resurrected them and they can be heard in about any church with a Musical Worship Team.

<font color=red>Let every one of us please his neighbour for HIS GOOD to EDIFICATION (education) Rom 15: 2</font>

The unlawful STAFF INFECTION knows very well that mega churches are to TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE (the seven Spirits) so if he IMPOSES coffee and donuts to SUCK IN THE SEEKERS the honest DISCIPLES have to "get over it or get out."

Paul said that we should KNOW a crucified Christ: contrary to ALL of the preachers he DID NOT SAY just "PREACH" Jesus. Paul said that:

<font color=red>For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The REPROACHES of them that reproached thee fell on me. Rom 15: 3</font>

The REPROACHES meant to MAKE HIM NAKED: the Levitical Warrior Musicians musically mocked Jesus right up to the Cross while the Romans exposed His nakedness. Music was always INTENTIONALLY--in the words of Carol Wimber--to bring on a sexual-like climactic experience with God. That is IDENTICAL to all paganism and she proposes GIVING OF SUBSTANCE right after the CLIMAX. Jesus said make DISCIPLES which is antithetical to the THRESKIA worship words. How DO you hold synagogue or school of the Bible as Paul's ONLY worship concept?

<font color=red>For whatsoever things were WRITTEN aforetime were written for our LEARNING that we through patience and comfort of the SCRIPTURES might have hope. Rom 15: 4</font>

Of course, the preachers KNOW that you will not read the context! It took almost 400 years before people began to preachand add singing as an ACT of worship which was imposed along with SELF-COMPOSES text which reputiated the songs and sermons of the Spirit of Christ.
  • <font color=blue>Didaskalia (g1319) did-as-kal-ee'-ah; from 1320; instruction (the function or the information): - doctrine, learning, teaching.</font>

    The direct command to Timothy was defined what was commanded for the church in the wilderness, endorsed by Jesus, commanded and practiced by Paul and practiced before the RICKY'S climbed on as what Peter called CORRUPTERS of the Word meaning "selling learning at retail." If Rick taught the truth or the COMMUNE understood it he could not be a HIRED HAND.

    <font color=blue>Till I come, give attendance to [public] READING to exhortation, to doctrine. 1 Tim 4:13</font>

    Attendance is a "worship" word meaning to hold the mind to.
Disciples are MADE by baptizing and teaching what Jesus taught and revealed through the apostles. Every school boy who aspired to be a DISCIPLE of a master tentmaker could comprehend that.

A Disciple is a STUDENT of Christ and WORSHIP of the Master Teacher is to GIVE HEED to what He said. Rick and the whole band of discorders do NOT understand the meaning of ekklesia or synagogue which the Campbells called A SCHOOL OF CHRIST by reading and musing the Word of God. No one involved in a MEGA-templel from diverting money from honest evangelists can possibly understand the idea of unity in CHRIST which He based upon HIS WORDS.

Disciples were called CHRISTIANS at Antioch.
  • <font color=blue>Epoikodomeo (g2026) ep-oy-kod-om-eh'-o; from 1909 and 3618; to build upon, i.e. (fig.) to rear up: - build thereon (thereupon, on upon).

    As ye HAVE therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Col 2:6

    Rooted and BUILT UP in him, strengthened in THE faith as you WERE TAUGHT, and overflowing with thankfulness. Col 2:7</font>
This is the SAME as the NOT singing and NOT musical passages in Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3. Paul mentioned these two terms were the problem was intense and therefore defined BOTH singing AND melody as being IN THE HEART. That is a PLACE which is where God will be seeking YOU only if YOU are seeking Him and NOT lusting after HYPOCRITES Jesus defined as performance speakers, singers and musicians (Isa and Eze 33). PSALLO in its ROOT meaning is a BLOODY WARFARE word and NEVER defines anything but the PLUCKING of a string which ALWAYS defined a male seeking to PLUCK a young boy as a "minister of the goddess."

Received is:
  • <font color=blue>Paralambano (g3880) par-al-am-ban'-o; from 3844 and 2983; to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by anal. to assume an office; fig. to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).</font>

    This is much like the "singing" or teaching activity:

    <font color=blue>Let the WORD of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; TEACHING and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace IN your hearts to the Lord. Col 3:16

    And whatsoever ye do in WORD or DEED, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. Col 3:17</font>
<font color=red>Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Rom 15:5</font>

Jesus did not try to AROUSE spiritual excitement. If He had done so He COULD NOT be a Teacher of SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE.

<font color=red>That ye may with ONE MIND and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 15: 6</font>

THAT is NOT the one mind of the unlawful sophist or self-ordained elder: that is UNISON which produces UNITY whereas HARMONY always created DISCORDANT notes even in the simple music of the time. ONE MOUTH is not the preacher's mouth or the CLERGY PRECENTOR'S mouth or 4 MOUTHS but ONE mouth speaking "that which is Written."

That defines the ekklesia or synagogue which solves the diversity problem in Romans 14, BOTH of which had a music for PLEASURING practice.

<font color=red>Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us, to the GLORY of God. Rom 15:7</font>

MUSIC was forcefully added to otherwise peacable churches among churches of Christ, the Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians. That is NOT the liberty any person is given. It REJECTED others and glorified only the musicians and the "pastors" upon whom the added glory and contributions landed.

The outlawing of PLEASURING was EXAMPLED by Jesus and COMMANDED by Paul. You can use your liberty to DO music which appeals ONLY to the flesh but you cannot be Christ-like or Paul-obedient and impose it on others who grasp that worship is in the PLACE of the human spirit and NOT by the "works of human hands" of which MAKING MUSIC must be the most works-intensive.
  • <font color=blue>For, brethren, ye have been called unto LIBERTY; only use not liberty for an occasion to the FLESH, but by love SERVE one another. Gal 5:13</font>
Paul commanded worship IN THE SPIRIT as opposed too IN THE FLESH because "outside there be concision and Dogs" identified by their singing styyles. An elder who says get over it or get lost MAY be the way to keep a COMMUNE or cummunity under control; but an ELDER does not have that authority NOR would anyone not a WOLF ever say that to someone who has "scruples."

The literature is 100% of the opinion that MUSIC appeals only to what Barnes called "the LUST of the eyes" and "the LUST of the ears." The "authority" for music has always been the Levitical Warrior Musicians. Because the temple was "like the nations" because that is what God turned them over to, the loud noises were exorcism practices.

You have to WANT to misunderstand that. That is book, chapter and verse. Ephesians 5 and Colossian 3 define the same TEACHING process and the ONLY meaning of collective WORSHIP.

The Catholic church says that music (even in its singing stage) was added because it was COMMON TO ALL PAGAN CULTS and many of the "for hire pagan priests" came flooding into the Catholic church when for the first time priests were paid by the state. The preachers are priests and the singers are Levites and the Lord's Supper is a MASS or sacrifce.

Unity is simple: REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word just like the Qahal, synagogue or "church in the Wilderness." Take the Lord's Supper and DISassemble yourselves and don't let ANYONE charge you to keep you BUSY and upset all week because they could not watch "one hour with Christ" without coffee and donuts.
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

November 14th, 2006, 5:18 pm #2

<font color=red>It was the mid-1970s and the hot issue for the small Richland Hills Church of Christ was coffee and donuts in the Bible classroom. Rick Atchley, senior minister of the North Richland Hills, Texas, congregation--which has since grown into a megachurch--said a church elder’s handling of the situation made all the difference. The elder told the woman who was complaining to either leave or come back and be happy.

"I think there are people looking for churches with that spirit,"[Sure! communes] Atchley told a group of church leaders gathered at the North American Christian Convention in Louisville earlier this year. He said many members are tired of arguments over every issue, no matter how insignificant. Intead, he offered 10 ways for churches to keep the peace and remain united.</font>

That was almost exactly the time when the Stone-Campbell Movement surfaced to try to UNIFY by having the non-instrumental (troublers) just affirm the "musical praise teams" (the world's oldest legalistic superstition) and begin to ADD music in the "baby step" of performing groups to LEAD you into the presence of God. Now, if someone objects that Jesus died to get that job, then our elders will jus tell him to "get over it or get out." That is a FACT and many have heard it when the elders-turned-wolves see the universal PERSONA of "performing" males doing the body worship known as the Lucifer Principle. Somewhere in that effort at UNITY by becoming Christian churches I remember Ricky admitting that he was more attuned to the Christian Church than to churches of Christ. Rubel Shelly made the same confession as if anyone needed the proof. Max Lucado claims and teaches like a Baptist which the Baptists would never hire. So, it is no wonder, that Ricky thinks that things like musical performance to suck in the seekers (Apollo or Abaddon invented that concept), women in ministry and even instrumental music is just like COFFEE AND DONUTS in the class. This is just like the the Hegeling effort to drive you into schizophrenia so that you TREMBLED even if you thought about opposing the same SECTARIAN HERESY Rick is using. Rick is still apparently trying to spread the word that to OPPOSE anything the "Holy Spirit" person drives them into will subject them to "shepherds" who open the gates OUTWARD for questioning lambs and INWARD for the wolves (a bad, bad word)

I heard the story of a faithful Christian who opposed things MORE important than coffee and donuts in the classroom. But, WE, always begin with stories like that and try to BRIDGE the gap to "worship teams" (wow), firing the vocational deacons and hand-picking DEACONESSES and adding instruments. Of course, they finally admit, we had to be FORCED to try to defend the DIVISIVE and unnecessary (so Christian church like) action by the use of PHOEBE and other "business women" who were servants and NOT staff infection to run the OTHER divisive "programs" when we were in the PROGRAMS stage of our adolescence. We even use poor David who is a VISUAL AID of all known sins who was HAND PICKED to help carry out the captivity and death sentence imposed at Sinai BECAUSE of musical idolatry. We use him as the authority for a Worship Minister and musicians. Big leap.

Yes, I heard the tidbits of a man who objected and discord developed in his family so the Stepford Wives encouraged his wife to divorce him? Is that a fact. Well-uh! That seems to be an APPROVED PATTERNISM of keeping the UNITY. Atchley has just jumped from Coffee into regulating family divisions?

Reporting on Rick Atchley spreading DISUNITY:

http://www.piney.com/Rick-Atchley-Music.html
  • <font color=red>"The Unity Imperative," and he opened with the declaration,

    "I want to see in my lifetime, our fellowship reunited,
    and I intend to do all that I can to see that that happens" (p. 1).</font>
He and the Richland Hills church already are in full-fellowship with the Christian Churches, but his goal is to move all of our preachers and churches to that same position. He insists that "we've (Churches of Christ) got to recover a passion for the doctrine of the unity of all believers" (p. 2).

So, Rick just PRETENDING to be part of the church of Christ but is INSTRUMENTAL is like Daniel Boone fighting a bear with bare knuckes! He is called upon to DIALOG with another INSTRUMENTALIST. Tulsa did that with Max Lucado (instrumentalists) holding forth with ANOTHER instrumentalists. Does the mantra I WILL DO ANYTHING really mean ANYTHING? Now, THAT sounds like Hitlers GREAT DEMONSTRATION so sing unity among those who already AGREE is a visual aid to seduce others to ABANDON THEIR principles.

Because Jesus founded a local EKKLESIA, synagogue or SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE there is NOTHING to unite. What Rick is discussing is a SOCIAL INSTITUTE fabricated out of nothing to give aid and comfort to performance preachers etal who have NO job description and NO FUNDING in the Bible or early church history. Numbers defines the EKKLESIA or synagogue or church in the wilderness to EXCLUDE linstruments and loud singing. Jesus exampled it and a group with ten males could form a synagogue or BIBLE STUDY GROUP. The example and direct command it to DISPOSE with diversities--for that shining moment--and teach one another THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN or SCRIPTURE which instructs, glorifies God and KEEPS the unity. Then, GO AWAY "Staff infection" just GO AWAY and if you are HONEST go OUT and preach the gospel. You will not have time to PRETEND to be missional by bonding with the spreaders of discord.

Well, the Great Donut Apostasy Shootout at Richland Hills has already shown us not to try to OUTDRAW the shepherds. Therefore, if you DON'T want to go where Ricky wants to LEAD you then you should expect what sounds like psychological violence to me. But, Ricky is ignorant about the Restoration Movemen and why the Bible universally condemns instruments and all church Fathers opposed it and all denomination founders opposed it and ONLY Ricky's INSTITUTE tried to justify the DELIBERATE SOWING OF DISUNITY as late as 1878 when they GULPED DOWN the Psallo word which DEMANDS that you also gulp down WARFARE and PERVERSION of all paganism because PSALLO has no musical meaning: especially when the Bible OUTLAWS such beginning bacl in the "church in the wilderness" and continued until Ricky's genetic material surfaced primarily after the Carpet Baggers decided to confiscate peaceable non-instrumental churches of Christ.

In ALL of Ricks PATTERNISM to bring about UNION and thereby deliberately SOW more discord he is FLAT IGNORANT about the Biblical and historical association between religious MUSIC and PERVERTS and the numerous Biblical examples where MUSIC is the MARK which tells God: "Shut your face." I cannot believe that people pay for such perversion of Biblical and historical facts.

Jesus warned against the lord, lord sayers who were musical prophesiers and wasn't lovey-dovey when He said:
  • <font color=blue>Ye hypocrites [actors, singers, speakers], well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, Mt 15:7

    This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoreth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. Mt.15:8
    But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matt 15:9 [songs, sermons, etal]
    Hupokrinô reply, make answer
    2. expound, interpret, explain [outlawed by Peter as private interpretation] II. Att., speak in dialogue, hence play a part on the stage, be an actor, kômôidian, of orators and rhetoricians, represent dramatically, use histrionic arts, exaggerate,
    Rhêtor-ikos , ê, on, oratorical, hê rhêtorikê (sc. technê). These are the craftsmen lumped with the singers, musicians and "grinder" doing merchandise in the house of prayer. Rev. 18:22</font>
In the Isaiah Version Jesus POINTS to the SEALED BOOK in Texas:
  • <font color=blue>And the VISION of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed,
    which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:Isaiah 29:11 <>
    And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee:and he saith, I am not learned. Isaiah 29:12
    Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me,
    but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men : Isaiah 29:13

    Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder:
    for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
    and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
    Isaiah 29:14</font>
Paul proves that ALL of the religious hypocrites those who count TOWERS and take up COLLECTIONS have no role to play in the church of Christ.

Ezekiel warned:

<font color=blue>Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Eze 33:30
And they come unto thee as the people cometh,
and they sit before thee as my people,
and they hear thy words,
but they will not do them:

for with their mouth they shew much love,
(Lord, Lord as amorousness - inordinate love),
but their heart goeth after their covetousness. Eze 33:31

Indeed, to them you are NOTHING more than one who sings love songs (minstrel as a prostitute) with a beautiful voice
and plays (make melody on) an instrument well,

FOR they hear your words but do not put them into practice. Eze 33:32NIV

When all this comes true--and it surely will--then they will know that a prophet has been among them." Eze 33:33</font>

How can a man PRESUME to do what only Jesus Christ and HIS WORD can do and be so ignorant of the UNIVERSAL association between MUSIC and REFUSING to hear God's Word. No wonder strong delusions can HALLUCINATE damnable GUILT on those who just SAID NO to beginning to do what FAITHFUL DISCIPLES had ALWAYS refused to do.
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Donnie Cruz
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November 20th, 2006, 3:04 am #3

Rick Atchley defines his PATTERNISM for uniity: don't let OTHERS impose their CONVICTIONS. That really works IF you meet each week to REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word of God. That defines the REST which "outlawed sending out ministers" and meant what Jesus died to give US by firing the "doctors of the Law" who by definition take away the key to knowledge. Numbers 10:7 outlawed the ALARM which was "playing horns and making a loud, rejoicing noise to the Lord." This was the UNIVERSAL war chant or the command to TRAVEL. REST in Greek demands "stop the speaking, stop the singing, stop the music" which PARSES to PANIC to "wear out the saints of God." Rick has his VISIONS and VOICES to define most pagan religions of the time of Jesus.

You CAN all SPEAK THE SAME THINGS if minimal IQ lets you grasp that Paul commanded speaking with ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH and using the "pre apostasy" THAT which is written or Scripture. That OUTLAWS Rick because HE will not do that and would not TOLERATE anyone else doing CHURCH of the Bible. There is NO music concept in the assemblies called by God from "the church in the wilderness" until Jesus returns: if you USE music and musicians you are defined by the Bible and all literature as performing SORCERY because you MUST use mind control or people would NOT put money into the UNSCRIPTURAL collection plates unless RICKY is DESTITUTE.

Rick Atchley is the SOWER OF DISCORD and DISUNITY of "Biblical proportion." Furthermore, he trains others how do DO church which is about 100% antithetical to what Jesus died to found: but Jesus didn't get paid enough so they said, "get over it or get out."

http://www.churchcentral.com/nw/s/id/24 ... ticle.html

When preachers tell tall tales in order to JUSTIFY THEMSELVES Gallup says that they are about 80% just FABRICATED.
  • Rick Atchley. <font color=red>7. Be of the same mind.

    This is the mind of Christ. Atchley cited Romans 15 on congregational unity, and Philippians 2 about considering others better than oneself.</font>
Jesus said that He put HIS mind or spirit into His WORDS so that, according to Peter, we can MARK the false teacher. Furthermore, Romans 14-15 are the chapters used to justify ANYTHING. In Rick's new revelation that apparently includes alcohol which someone misled him about. When a church goes MEGA it is normaly a PICTURE of one dominant or charismatic individual. Rick proves the thesis of STRONG DELUSIONS.

Paul used the MEAT or other dietary terms as IDENTIFIERS of the various sects PRIOR to becoming believers. The EATING and DRINKING and PLAY was the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai which God saw as their PRAYER to return to paganism. The MONARCHY which Rick and all of the PhDuhs use to authorize a priestly class, taking up connections, church as MASS and MUSIC was the CURSE added to Israel when they FIRED God and hird them a KING SET OVER THEM where God understood it to mean "so we can worship like the nations" or Pagans. Ricks TAKE of women deaconesses and music PROVES that the Bible is not the standard: you CANNOT get a mega church until God has PUT OUT THE CANDLES MARKED when you added charismtaic speakers, singers and musicians: John calls them SORCERERS and Jesus pointed to the MOUTH RELIGIONISTS to define the HYPOCRITE.

Paul did not command CONFORMITY but SILENCED private diversities NOT sinful within themselves because NOTHING but 'that which is written' is the authorized and CHRISTIAN resource for holding "school of the Bible." He went directly into chapter 15 which had NO praise service, NO preaching and NO passing of the plate: they had a POOR BOX for the POOR. Did you GET THAT? Help for the POOR? You CANNOT build a mega church without fleeching the widows.

If one eats dung because Circe (church) the holy whore hand kneeds it for them, they might do that in private. However, if they insist that they bring dung balls for everyone else to eat or "get over it or get out" then the MEAT parable fools Rick as it was intended to do.

The DIETARY practices were identifiers for the major groups in Rome where MUSIC was the "arousal stroking" used by all groups so that some had been CONTAINED by Rome long before the time of Paul. Therefore, in Romans 14 Paul OUTLAWED the private diversities from being disputed or DIALOGED in what he always identified as a "synagogue." The SYNAGOGUE "had no praise service" and assuredly no THEATRICAL PREACHING: the did what Paul commanded Timoty to READ the word, exhort the keeping of THAT portion and to explain any doctrinal or universal patterns.

Phythagoras had brought the MUSIC as MAGIC from Egypt and Babylon. This was used to induce what Paul knew of as MADNESS as a desired SELF-PLEASURING by which you build mega churches. The Phythagoreans and Orphics were the only VEGETARIANS (bean eaters) in Rome and the Dionysiacs were the meat eaters and wine drinkers.

PAUL DEFINED BOTH THE ASSEMBLY AND WORSHIP. With the addition of the Lord's Supper it was identical to the synagogue which "never had a praise service." Please note that the synagogue was for EDUCATION which is the meaning of EDIFICATION. Getting goosed up with music and rituals is a direct violation of the REST Jesus died to give so SO THAT whe can "come learn of Me."

Paul defined the synagogue or assembly in Rome. If the assembly is a synagogue or school of the Bible then he rules out the divisive issues which in Rome involved music among all of the sects. The diversity in Romans 15 were the dionysiacs who were wine-drinkers and meat eaters. They ALSO saw worship as PLEASURING one another and depended on singing and instruments. The Orphics were the only possible vegetarians or "seed eaters" in Rome but the too depended a lot on musical rituals.

Paul uses words like ASSEMBLY and GATHERING to define THOSE who gathered themselves together. This is always a form of the Greek word SYNAGOGUE. We know for a fact that "playing instruments and making a joyful noise before the Lord" was OUTLAWED as the Alarm or Triumph over. This was the "church in the wilderness." The faithful Jews NEVER forgot that LAW as they gathered each Sabbath not to worship but to synagogue or be a school of the Bible. This did not change for the Jews until 1815 in a liberal German synagogue. Even so everyone knew that it was unlawful to play instruments on the Sabbath so the hired a Gentile organist and DIVIDED the synagogue.

Paul' s UNIQUE worship word which escapes the attention of people involved with music is to GIVE HEED to the word of God as THE primary meaning of worship. Paul instructed Timothy to "give attendance to the public reading of the Word."

Therefore, Paul begins with what is the CHRISTIAN SYNAGOGUE which does not allow diversities from the preaching and singing "that which is written."

<font color=red>Rom 15:1 WE then that are strong ought to BEAR the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.</font>

Heard today that ANGER can kill you if you have a weak heart. MUSIC and EXCITING religionism creates the same DRUG OVERLOAD and even Simple Simon at the Towers of Babbling understood that you could MANIPULATE people with music. They also understood that music which was soothing to some was DESTRUCTIVE to those with the infirmities of, say, a lack of seretonins. Music which AROUSES everyone to make Rick seem them as ENRAPTURED meant "raped" or Enthus O mania. People go away from ALL religious rituals where you PPRESUME to bring them into the presense of the "gods" was always understood to be MORTAL FEAR. Only banditos can TRAFFICATE on damaging religious rituals which BIBLE 101A prove that Jesus OUTLAWED as the 'burden' which includes AN EXTRA TAX when the preachercatos whine that "Jesus paid it all."

Any kind of "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals" is the laded burden Jesus DIED to cast down. SELF-pleasing as opposed to pleasing-for-education is the same MUSICAL creation of "mental excitement." In the Greek documents the DEMAGOGUES use "the performing arts to appease the People" whom he LIFTS UP for his own purposes (Heresy). The text often introduce the word KLEPTOMA in the formula.
  • Please is the Greek meaning of the lust of the flesh:

    <font color=blue>Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please.

    Airo (g142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).</font>
If it is MY conviction that we should take the liberty FROM religionism of Jesus or OPPOSE Rick who wants to IMPOSE a burden then undoubtedly Rick has some GOOD ELDERS to say "get over it or get out."

The REST Jesus died for means the SAME THING: if you artificially stimulate with speakers, singers or musicians Jesus identifies you as HYPOCRITES (Isa and Ezek). And John and all of the definitions of MUSICAL TERMS identifies you as SORCERERS who were identified as PARASITES.

This had the same meaning of EXTERNAL SINGING:
  • <font color=blue>Aoidê 1. art of song, autar aoidên thespesiên, spell, incantation,

    Aeidô sing,.hence of all kinds of vocal sounds, crow as cocks, hoot as owls, croak as frogs,; hoi tettiges chamothen aisontai, crowing too soon.</font>
The tettiges are the LOCUSTS which are the MUSES serving Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon. They were driven into hell for bad mouthing the MOTHER GODDEss (ZOE). About now the old falling star has resurrected them and they can be heard in about any church with a Musical Worship Team.

<font color=red>Let every one of us please his neighbour for HIS GOOD to EDIFICATION (education) Rom 15: 2</font>

The unlawful STAFF INFECTION knows very well that mega churches are to TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE (the seven Spirits) so if he IMPOSES coffee and donuts to SUCK IN THE SEEKERS the honest DISCIPLES have to "get over it or get out."

Paul said that we should KNOW a crucified Christ: contrary to ALL of the preachers he DID NOT SAY just "PREACH" Jesus. Paul said that:

<font color=red>For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The REPROACHES of them that reproached thee fell on me. Rom 15: 3</font>

The REPROACHES meant to MAKE HIM NAKED: the Levitical Warrior Musicians musically mocked Jesus right up to the Cross while the Romans exposed His nakedness. Music was always INTENTIONALLY--in the words of Carol Wimber--to bring on a sexual-like climactic experience with God. That is IDENTICAL to all paganism and she proposes GIVING OF SUBSTANCE right after the CLIMAX. Jesus said make DISCIPLES which is antithetical to the THRESKIA worship words. How DO you hold synagogue or school of the Bible as Paul's ONLY worship concept?

<font color=red>For whatsoever things were WRITTEN aforetime were written for our LEARNING that we through patience and comfort of the SCRIPTURES might have hope. Rom 15: 4</font>

Of course, the preachers KNOW that you will not read the context! It took almost 400 years before people began to preachand add singing as an ACT of worship which was imposed along with SELF-COMPOSES text which reputiated the songs and sermons of the Spirit of Christ.
  • <font color=blue>Didaskalia (g1319) did-as-kal-ee'-ah; from 1320; instruction (the function or the information): - doctrine, learning, teaching.</font>

    The direct command to Timothy was defined what was commanded for the church in the wilderness, endorsed by Jesus, commanded and practiced by Paul and practiced before the RICKY'S climbed on as what Peter called CORRUPTERS of the Word meaning "selling learning at retail." If Rick taught the truth or the COMMUNE understood it he could not be a HIRED HAND.

    <font color=blue>Till I come, give attendance to [public] READING to exhortation, to doctrine. 1 Tim 4:13</font>

    Attendance is a "worship" word meaning to hold the mind to.
Disciples are MADE by baptizing and teaching what Jesus taught and revealed through the apostles. Every school boy who aspired to be a DISCIPLE of a master tentmaker could comprehend that.

A Disciple is a STUDENT of Christ and WORSHIP of the Master Teacher is to GIVE HEED to what He said. Rick and the whole band of discorders do NOT understand the meaning of ekklesia or synagogue which the Campbells called A SCHOOL OF CHRIST by reading and musing the Word of God. No one involved in a MEGA-templel from diverting money from honest evangelists can possibly understand the idea of unity in CHRIST which He based upon HIS WORDS.

Disciples were called CHRISTIANS at Antioch.
  • <font color=blue>Epoikodomeo (g2026) ep-oy-kod-om-eh'-o; from 1909 and 3618; to build upon, i.e. (fig.) to rear up: - build thereon (thereupon, on upon).

    As ye HAVE therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Col 2:6

    Rooted and BUILT UP in him, strengthened in THE faith as you WERE TAUGHT, and overflowing with thankfulness. Col 2:7</font>
This is the SAME as the NOT singing and NOT musical passages in Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3. Paul mentioned these two terms were the problem was intense and therefore defined BOTH singing AND melody as being IN THE HEART. That is a PLACE which is where God will be seeking YOU only if YOU are seeking Him and NOT lusting after HYPOCRITES Jesus defined as performance speakers, singers and musicians (Isa and Eze 33). PSALLO in its ROOT meaning is a BLOODY WARFARE word and NEVER defines anything but the PLUCKING of a string which ALWAYS defined a male seeking to PLUCK a young boy as a "minister of the goddess."

Received is:
  • <font color=blue>Paralambano (g3880) par-al-am-ban'-o; from 3844 and 2983; to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by anal. to assume an office; fig. to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).</font>

    This is much like the "singing" or teaching activity:

    <font color=blue>Let the WORD of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; TEACHING and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace IN your hearts to the Lord. Col 3:16

    And whatsoever ye do in WORD or DEED, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. Col 3:17</font>
<font color=red>Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Rom 15:5</font>

Jesus did not try to AROUSE spiritual excitement. If He had done so He COULD NOT be a Teacher of SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE.

<font color=red>That ye may with ONE MIND and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 15: 6</font>

THAT is NOT the one mind of the unlawful sophist or self-ordained elder: that is UNISON which produces UNITY whereas HARMONY always created DISCORDANT notes even in the simple music of the time. ONE MOUTH is not the preacher's mouth or the CLERGY PRECENTOR'S mouth or 4 MOUTHS but ONE mouth speaking "that which is Written."

That defines the ekklesia or synagogue which solves the diversity problem in Romans 14, BOTH of which had a music for PLEASURING practice.

<font color=red>Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us, to the GLORY of God. Rom 15:7</font>

MUSIC was forcefully added to otherwise peacable churches among churches of Christ, the Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians. That is NOT the liberty any person is given. It REJECTED others and glorified only the musicians and the "pastors" upon whom the added glory and contributions landed.

The outlawing of PLEASURING was EXAMPLED by Jesus and COMMANDED by Paul. You can use your liberty to DO music which appeals ONLY to the flesh but you cannot be Christ-like or Paul-obedient and impose it on others who grasp that worship is in the PLACE of the human spirit and NOT by the "works of human hands" of which MAKING MUSIC must be the most works-intensive.
  • <font color=blue>For, brethren, ye have been called unto LIBERTY; only use not liberty for an occasion to the FLESH, but by love SERVE one another. Gal 5:13</font>
Paul commanded worship IN THE SPIRIT as opposed too IN THE FLESH because "outside there be concision and Dogs" identified by their singing styyles. An elder who says get over it or get lost MAY be the way to keep a COMMUNE or cummunity under control; but an ELDER does not have that authority NOR would anyone not a WOLF ever say that to someone who has "scruples."

The literature is 100% of the opinion that MUSIC appeals only to what Barnes called "the LUST of the eyes" and "the LUST of the ears." The "authority" for music has always been the Levitical Warrior Musicians. Because the temple was "like the nations" because that is what God turned them over to, the loud noises were exorcism practices.

You have to WANT to misunderstand that. That is book, chapter and verse. Ephesians 5 and Colossian 3 define the same TEACHING process and the ONLY meaning of collective WORSHIP.

The Catholic church says that music (even in its singing stage) was added because it was COMMON TO ALL PAGAN CULTS and many of the "for hire pagan priests" came flooding into the Catholic church when for the first time priests were paid by the state. The preachers are priests and the singers are Levites and the Lord's Supper is a MASS or sacrifce.

Unity is simple: REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word just like the Qahal, synagogue or "church in the Wilderness." Take the Lord's Supper and DISassemble yourselves and don't let ANYONE charge you to keep you BUSY and upset all week because they could not watch "one hour with Christ" without coffee and donuts.
<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>So, the Richland Hills Christian Church has arrived? Finally? This is no longer a delusion or an assumption, huh?

What is this announcement about the “Saturday night service with instruments” beginning at R.H.C.C.?

“This is gonna be fun,” someone states.

Was it fun when Oak Hills Church [formerly “of Christ”] began its instrumental “service” with a small group?

I wonder if Tom Brite has some great advice for RHCC … or is its leadership beyond help in this matter? Oak Hills Church, I believe, is now a full-blown proponent of musical instruments—at least its “eldership.”

Will Richland Hills also drop the name “of Christ”? If so, it may not be a bad idea to disassociate itself from the brotherhood on its own volition.

Donnie</font>
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November 20th, 2006, 3:44 am #4

Donnie has mentioned the "how to boil a frog alive" and this GRADUALISM is noted in all history. Plato said that when then music changes you shouldn't think about the FORM of songs but that someone INTENDED to change the laws. Ricky joked about the "let it all hang out" using Rock and Roll (that "F" voodoo word) among the youth group. Apparently they have trained up enough to pull it off besides chasing off the owners and sucking in those of like precious heresy.

This is the APOLLO form of Seeker Center where he used MUSES (dirty whores) as his musical worship team. Collelcted lots of money PROPHESYING in the form Jesus noted of the "lord Lord sayers" whose NAME God does not even register in His mind. That is why the mega churches are collection points if you remember the role of the LOCUSTS or MUSES in Revelation for EASY LEFT BEHIND.

Lynn Anderson of Blowing the Winds of change and SHEEPHERDING noted that it took about 11 years to boil the frog to enable SINGING during the Lord's Supper. He always intended to build a mega Christian Church but wouldn't it be nice if the Christian church and Tulsa didn't USE Rick and Max Lucado and PRETENDING that they speak for the NON-INSTRUMENTAL churches of Christ.

I have posted a response to an elder-preacher in Seattle on the Richland Hills forum. There I note that this is the MARK of the Mother of Harlots defined in Revelation 17 where she PROCURES and USES false speakers, singers and musicians AFTER the candles have been removed (the seven spirits of God Iaa 11). John gives LIGHT to those with eyes and ears and calls them SORCERERS. Indeed, ALL musical terms speak of enchantmeng, charming or Sorcery. Anything you use to AROUSE spiritual anxity TRUMPS Jesus Christ Who died to fire the DOCTORS OF THE LAW who "take away the key to knowledge." It also violates the DIRECT COMMAND of Paul for the "synagogue" in Romans 15 agaisnt SELF PLEASING which also means "creating mental excitement" and this connectes directly to SINGING, the DEMAGOGUE who "appeases using the performing arts," the TYRANT who wears the MASK of minister and KLEPTOMA.

That is the NEW STYLE UNITY practiced by Ricky and in Seattle and elsewhere: TURN COAT and worship LIKE the pagans and you can have UNITY but on THEIR TERMS. That is the product of years of "effeminate song and sermon" which makes a nest of limp wrists who GET PAID as spiritual warriors NOT using CARNAL WEAPONS which means LIFELESS INSTRUMENTS. I no longer wonder why a David Koresh (the Cainite artificers were KORESH) or the Jim Jones who can get hundreds of people to commit suicide. That is Satan's purpose just as he tried to get Jesus to JUMP to prove Himself.

These people have been at it for a couple of decades and one really wonders why there are so few who have agreed to JUMP with the "band of merry men" who CONSPIRED to RESTRUCTURE churches of Christ including Carrol D. Osburn and the ACU crowd. They joke about using FEMINISTS HERMENEUTICS meaning "Matriarchal rule by small acts of treason." Is it any wonder when preachers of the church of Christ are not remotely prepared to do spiritual battle and can hardly bring themselves to condemn the worst of crimes knowing they will be looking for a job. If there be "Christians among the Sects" of which the MUSICAL SECTARIANS are the most violent, Alexander calls you to COME OUT OF BABYLON. God has no mercy for SORCERERS or for those who can be BLINDED by the "magica" meaning "musica" meaning "exegetice" which violates Peters outlawing of private interpretation or FURTHER EXPOUNDING.

Remember all of those people SCREECHING "Liar, liar" for all of those years? Those who ENABLE heresy ARE heretics and using the Bible on them will not work because they have graduated BEYOND THE SACRED PAGE and the "holy spirit" gives them visions (delusions) and AUDIBLE voices. And YOU GUYS think in gross error: "I would not have taken the KoolAid cure." You would and you have and selling your soul is worse than getting burned by Hitler.
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November 20th, 2006, 2:21 pm #5

<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>So, the Richland Hills Christian Church has arrived? Finally? This is no longer a delusion or an assumption, huh?

What is this announcement about the “Saturday night service with instruments” beginning at R.H.C.C.?

“This is gonna be fun,” someone states.

Was it fun when Oak Hills Church [formerly “of Christ”] began its instrumental “service” with a small group?

I wonder if Tom Brite has some great advice for RHCC … or is its leadership beyond help in this matter? Oak Hills Church, I believe, is now a full-blown proponent of musical instruments—at least its “eldership.”

Will Richland Hills also drop the name “of Christ”? If so, it may not be a bad idea to disassociate itself from the brotherhood on its own volition.

Donnie</font>
Donnie, if this is the case, then it is a sad day in the history of Richland Hills. There may be assurances given that this will never invade the Sunday morning assembly, but it is only a matter of time. The sad thing is that the decision probably has already been made that such will occur, it is only a matter of time.

I am sorry for those who will now loose their home congregation after having given so much in time and money.

Rather than moving to another location to begin their work with instruments, these leaders feel compelled to legally thieve from those who have built this congregation.

Some will acquiesce, others will embrace, and some will move on. The sad thing is that this will come at a cost which is immeasurable in spiritual lives. Many will simply disappear from the scene, never to be heard from again spiritually. Sadly, such price will be paid without any consideration from the leadership of the congregation of the price to be paid by those unknown folk.

Richland Hills is about 5 years behind Oak Hills. Let's see if the timetable holds true.
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November 21st, 2006, 10:28 pm #6

This was the claim made by whalen at FaithSlight.con. He belongs to a Christian Church which is a SISTER church to Richland Hills.

I don't see an announcement on their web page yet but I listened in on communion at the BRIDGE which is a "campus" or little sister. They had some guy PICKING an electric Guitar (sounds like) during communion. Like woe!

Interestingly that their only "authority Word" is PSALLO and by definition and all of its uses it EXCLUDES using a guitar pick. Only fingers allowed because it is a TWANGING BOW or blood-letting word with NO music connection.

I notice that they have a GOVERNANCE COUNCIL and also a board of ELDERS. Isn't that interesting.

Ken
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December 14th, 2006, 3:03 pm #7

Tom or Jimmy if you know how to contact gwhalen you might ask him whether Rick Atchley is providing a VENUE for instrumental music to SUCK AWAY members from the Christian Church SISTER Gwhalen attends.

I have listened to Ricks NUMBER ONE set up for the decision to add sabbath worship and instrumental music. The first sermon was dedicated to the same old sex, lies and video tapes they all use. I have never seen such a short sermon which included so many outright lies and psychological violence.

They all make it very plain that if YOU object then he has already lumped you with the ANTI-instrumental church of Christers and the ignorant black preachers Rick is trying to seduce. Jack Evans recognizes the RACISM and speaks of a new COONSKIN movement. How lovely to totally discredit NOT using instruments with being a BLACK PREACHER trained with BAD THEOLOGY. Milton Jones in Seattle played the RACE CARD by telling the black members that those who would REJECT instrumental music would ENSLAVE them if they could. Is there NO shame?

The Joe Beam etal use of the Jerusalem Conference to give US the same authority as APOSTLES and the senior members (elders) to HEAR the Spirit and make changes WITHOUT having to tolerate any objection from the cheap seats. Of course, we readers know that Simeon was just QUOTING SCRIPTURE to prove that the CIRCUMCISION crowd were out of date and everyone knew it. Ricky wants to ADD instrumental music which is defined as legalistic USING MACHINES and against the Sabbath REST, as the LEGALISTIC- TRADITIONALISTS and claim to be the APOSTLES hearing the Spirit (don't know how yet).

Yet, that passage defines RICK as in error and defines the PREACHING in the synagogue each Sabbath as READING THE SCRIPTURES. That was commanded in the church in the wilderness, practiced by all of the faithful, exampled by Jesus, practiced and commanded by Paul and practiced by the historic church for centuries. His getting NEW LIGHT, we will show, is also the MARK of a Pharisee.

I have a new thread on the Richland Hills forum:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/177121/

I have listened to the FIRST SERMON and posted a cleaned up version here:

http://www.piney.com/Rick-Atchley-Music.html

The NEXT one I have downloaded is the BIBLICAL DEFENSE of instrumental music: I predict that it will be thee Farmer's Branch White Paper filled with black lies and the same one Max Lucado read when he claimed to be getting a NEW VISION.

Keep tuned and spread the word.
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December 16th, 2006, 8:20 am #8

News - Nation's largest Church of Christ adding instrumental service. Jon Jones, an elder and former pulpit minister at the 6,400-member church, told the congregation Dec. 3 that Richland Hills’ elders “fully and completely” endorsed the decision.

Link to the article: http://www.christianchronicle.org/

Two of the congregation’s 17 elders resigned as a result of the decision, a church member who spoke on condition of anonymity told The Christian Chronicle. Dean, one of the remaining 15 elders, confirmed that he understood the decision had prompted two elders to resign.

Note from Jimmy: 11.7% of the elders resigned over this but Jon Jones, refusing to recognize this truth, states "There is unity in our eldership, and we are so thankful for that,” Jones told church members at a combined adult Bible study, according to a video on the church Web site.

Well, maybe there is unity in the 15 that are left but this tactic of runing off those who stand for truth, just so the apostizers can claim "unity" needs to be stopped!

In Christ,
Jimmy †

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December 18th, 2006, 3:24 am #9

Rick Atchley defines his PATTERNISM for uniity: don't let OTHERS impose their CONVICTIONS. That really works IF you meet each week to REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word of God. That defines the REST which "outlawed sending out ministers" and meant what Jesus died to give US by firing the "doctors of the Law" who by definition take away the key to knowledge. Numbers 10:7 outlawed the ALARM which was "playing horns and making a loud, rejoicing noise to the Lord." This was the UNIVERSAL war chant or the command to TRAVEL. REST in Greek demands "stop the speaking, stop the singing, stop the music" which PARSES to PANIC to "wear out the saints of God." Rick has his VISIONS and VOICES to define most pagan religions of the time of Jesus.

You CAN all SPEAK THE SAME THINGS if minimal IQ lets you grasp that Paul commanded speaking with ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH and using the "pre apostasy" THAT which is written or Scripture. That OUTLAWS Rick because HE will not do that and would not TOLERATE anyone else doing CHURCH of the Bible. There is NO music concept in the assemblies called by God from "the church in the wilderness" until Jesus returns: if you USE music and musicians you are defined by the Bible and all literature as performing SORCERY because you MUST use mind control or people would NOT put money into the UNSCRIPTURAL collection plates unless RICKY is DESTITUTE.

Rick Atchley is the SOWER OF DISCORD and DISUNITY of "Biblical proportion." Furthermore, he trains others how do DO church which is about 100% antithetical to what Jesus died to found: but Jesus didn't get paid enough so they said, "get over it or get out."

http://www.churchcentral.com/nw/s/id/24 ... ticle.html

When preachers tell tall tales in order to JUSTIFY THEMSELVES Gallup says that they are about 80% just FABRICATED.
  • Rick Atchley. <font color=red>7. Be of the same mind.

    This is the mind of Christ. Atchley cited Romans 15 on congregational unity, and Philippians 2 about considering others better than oneself.</font>
Jesus said that He put HIS mind or spirit into His WORDS so that, according to Peter, we can MARK the false teacher. Furthermore, Romans 14-15 are the chapters used to justify ANYTHING. In Rick's new revelation that apparently includes alcohol which someone misled him about. When a church goes MEGA it is normaly a PICTURE of one dominant or charismatic individual. Rick proves the thesis of STRONG DELUSIONS.

Paul used the MEAT or other dietary terms as IDENTIFIERS of the various sects PRIOR to becoming believers. The EATING and DRINKING and PLAY was the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai which God saw as their PRAYER to return to paganism. The MONARCHY which Rick and all of the PhDuhs use to authorize a priestly class, taking up connections, church as MASS and MUSIC was the CURSE added to Israel when they FIRED God and hird them a KING SET OVER THEM where God understood it to mean "so we can worship like the nations" or Pagans. Ricks TAKE of women deaconesses and music PROVES that the Bible is not the standard: you CANNOT get a mega church until God has PUT OUT THE CANDLES MARKED when you added charismtaic speakers, singers and musicians: John calls them SORCERERS and Jesus pointed to the MOUTH RELIGIONISTS to define the HYPOCRITE.

Paul did not command CONFORMITY but SILENCED private diversities NOT sinful within themselves because NOTHING but 'that which is written' is the authorized and CHRISTIAN resource for holding "school of the Bible." He went directly into chapter 15 which had NO praise service, NO preaching and NO passing of the plate: they had a POOR BOX for the POOR. Did you GET THAT? Help for the POOR? You CANNOT build a mega church without fleeching the widows.

If one eats dung because Circe (church) the holy whore hand kneeds it for them, they might do that in private. However, if they insist that they bring dung balls for everyone else to eat or "get over it or get out" then the MEAT parable fools Rick as it was intended to do.

The DIETARY practices were identifiers for the major groups in Rome where MUSIC was the "arousal stroking" used by all groups so that some had been CONTAINED by Rome long before the time of Paul. Therefore, in Romans 14 Paul OUTLAWED the private diversities from being disputed or DIALOGED in what he always identified as a "synagogue." The SYNAGOGUE "had no praise service" and assuredly no THEATRICAL PREACHING: the did what Paul commanded Timoty to READ the word, exhort the keeping of THAT portion and to explain any doctrinal or universal patterns.

Phythagoras had brought the MUSIC as MAGIC from Egypt and Babylon. This was used to induce what Paul knew of as MADNESS as a desired SELF-PLEASURING by which you build mega churches. The Phythagoreans and Orphics were the only VEGETARIANS (bean eaters) in Rome and the Dionysiacs were the meat eaters and wine drinkers.

PAUL DEFINED BOTH THE ASSEMBLY AND WORSHIP. With the addition of the Lord's Supper it was identical to the synagogue which "never had a praise service." Please note that the synagogue was for EDUCATION which is the meaning of EDIFICATION. Getting goosed up with music and rituals is a direct violation of the REST Jesus died to give so SO THAT whe can "come learn of Me."

Paul defined the synagogue or assembly in Rome. If the assembly is a synagogue or school of the Bible then he rules out the divisive issues which in Rome involved music among all of the sects. The diversity in Romans 15 were the dionysiacs who were wine-drinkers and meat eaters. They ALSO saw worship as PLEASURING one another and depended on singing and instruments. The Orphics were the only possible vegetarians or "seed eaters" in Rome but the too depended a lot on musical rituals.

Paul uses words like ASSEMBLY and GATHERING to define THOSE who gathered themselves together. This is always a form of the Greek word SYNAGOGUE. We know for a fact that "playing instruments and making a joyful noise before the Lord" was OUTLAWED as the Alarm or Triumph over. This was the "church in the wilderness." The faithful Jews NEVER forgot that LAW as they gathered each Sabbath not to worship but to synagogue or be a school of the Bible. This did not change for the Jews until 1815 in a liberal German synagogue. Even so everyone knew that it was unlawful to play instruments on the Sabbath so the hired a Gentile organist and DIVIDED the synagogue.

Paul' s UNIQUE worship word which escapes the attention of people involved with music is to GIVE HEED to the word of God as THE primary meaning of worship. Paul instructed Timothy to "give attendance to the public reading of the Word."

Therefore, Paul begins with what is the CHRISTIAN SYNAGOGUE which does not allow diversities from the preaching and singing "that which is written."

<font color=red>Rom 15:1 WE then that are strong ought to BEAR the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.</font>

Heard today that ANGER can kill you if you have a weak heart. MUSIC and EXCITING religionism creates the same DRUG OVERLOAD and even Simple Simon at the Towers of Babbling understood that you could MANIPULATE people with music. They also understood that music which was soothing to some was DESTRUCTIVE to those with the infirmities of, say, a lack of seretonins. Music which AROUSES everyone to make Rick seem them as ENRAPTURED meant "raped" or Enthus O mania. People go away from ALL religious rituals where you PPRESUME to bring them into the presense of the "gods" was always understood to be MORTAL FEAR. Only banditos can TRAFFICATE on damaging religious rituals which BIBLE 101A prove that Jesus OUTLAWED as the 'burden' which includes AN EXTRA TAX when the preachercatos whine that "Jesus paid it all."

Any kind of "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals" is the laded burden Jesus DIED to cast down. SELF-pleasing as opposed to pleasing-for-education is the same MUSICAL creation of "mental excitement." In the Greek documents the DEMAGOGUES use "the performing arts to appease the People" whom he LIFTS UP for his own purposes (Heresy). The text often introduce the word KLEPTOMA in the formula.
  • Please is the Greek meaning of the lust of the flesh:

    <font color=blue>Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please.

    Airo (g142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).</font>
If it is MY conviction that we should take the liberty FROM religionism of Jesus or OPPOSE Rick who wants to IMPOSE a burden then undoubtedly Rick has some GOOD ELDERS to say "get over it or get out."

The REST Jesus died for means the SAME THING: if you artificially stimulate with speakers, singers or musicians Jesus identifies you as HYPOCRITES (Isa and Ezek). And John and all of the definitions of MUSICAL TERMS identifies you as SORCERERS who were identified as PARASITES.

This had the same meaning of EXTERNAL SINGING:
  • <font color=blue>Aoidê 1. art of song, autar aoidên thespesiên, spell, incantation,

    Aeidô sing,.hence of all kinds of vocal sounds, crow as cocks, hoot as owls, croak as frogs,; hoi tettiges chamothen aisontai, crowing too soon.</font>
The tettiges are the LOCUSTS which are the MUSES serving Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon. They were driven into hell for bad mouthing the MOTHER GODDEss (ZOE). About now the old falling star has resurrected them and they can be heard in about any church with a Musical Worship Team.

<font color=red>Let every one of us please his neighbour for HIS GOOD to EDIFICATION (education) Rom 15: 2</font>

The unlawful STAFF INFECTION knows very well that mega churches are to TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE (the seven Spirits) so if he IMPOSES coffee and donuts to SUCK IN THE SEEKERS the honest DISCIPLES have to "get over it or get out."

Paul said that we should KNOW a crucified Christ: contrary to ALL of the preachers he DID NOT SAY just "PREACH" Jesus. Paul said that:

<font color=red>For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The REPROACHES of them that reproached thee fell on me. Rom 15: 3</font>

The REPROACHES meant to MAKE HIM NAKED: the Levitical Warrior Musicians musically mocked Jesus right up to the Cross while the Romans exposed His nakedness. Music was always INTENTIONALLY--in the words of Carol Wimber--to bring on a sexual-like climactic experience with God. That is IDENTICAL to all paganism and she proposes GIVING OF SUBSTANCE right after the CLIMAX. Jesus said make DISCIPLES which is antithetical to the THRESKIA worship words. How DO you hold synagogue or school of the Bible as Paul's ONLY worship concept?

<font color=red>For whatsoever things were WRITTEN aforetime were written for our LEARNING that we through patience and comfort of the SCRIPTURES might have hope. Rom 15: 4</font>

Of course, the preachers KNOW that you will not read the context! It took almost 400 years before people began to preachand add singing as an ACT of worship which was imposed along with SELF-COMPOSES text which reputiated the songs and sermons of the Spirit of Christ.
  • <font color=blue>Didaskalia (g1319) did-as-kal-ee'-ah; from 1320; instruction (the function or the information): - doctrine, learning, teaching.</font>

    The direct command to Timothy was defined what was commanded for the church in the wilderness, endorsed by Jesus, commanded and practiced by Paul and practiced before the RICKY'S climbed on as what Peter called CORRUPTERS of the Word meaning "selling learning at retail." If Rick taught the truth or the COMMUNE understood it he could not be a HIRED HAND.

    <font color=blue>Till I come, give attendance to [public] READING to exhortation, to doctrine. 1 Tim 4:13</font>

    Attendance is a "worship" word meaning to hold the mind to.
Disciples are MADE by baptizing and teaching what Jesus taught and revealed through the apostles. Every school boy who aspired to be a DISCIPLE of a master tentmaker could comprehend that.

A Disciple is a STUDENT of Christ and WORSHIP of the Master Teacher is to GIVE HEED to what He said. Rick and the whole band of discorders do NOT understand the meaning of ekklesia or synagogue which the Campbells called A SCHOOL OF CHRIST by reading and musing the Word of God. No one involved in a MEGA-templel from diverting money from honest evangelists can possibly understand the idea of unity in CHRIST which He based upon HIS WORDS.

Disciples were called CHRISTIANS at Antioch.
  • <font color=blue>Epoikodomeo (g2026) ep-oy-kod-om-eh'-o; from 1909 and 3618; to build upon, i.e. (fig.) to rear up: - build thereon (thereupon, on upon).

    As ye HAVE therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Col 2:6

    Rooted and BUILT UP in him, strengthened in THE faith as you WERE TAUGHT, and overflowing with thankfulness. Col 2:7</font>
This is the SAME as the NOT singing and NOT musical passages in Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3. Paul mentioned these two terms were the problem was intense and therefore defined BOTH singing AND melody as being IN THE HEART. That is a PLACE which is where God will be seeking YOU only if YOU are seeking Him and NOT lusting after HYPOCRITES Jesus defined as performance speakers, singers and musicians (Isa and Eze 33). PSALLO in its ROOT meaning is a BLOODY WARFARE word and NEVER defines anything but the PLUCKING of a string which ALWAYS defined a male seeking to PLUCK a young boy as a "minister of the goddess."

Received is:
  • <font color=blue>Paralambano (g3880) par-al-am-ban'-o; from 3844 and 2983; to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by anal. to assume an office; fig. to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).</font>

    This is much like the "singing" or teaching activity:

    <font color=blue>Let the WORD of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; TEACHING and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace IN your hearts to the Lord. Col 3:16

    And whatsoever ye do in WORD or DEED, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. Col 3:17</font>
<font color=red>Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Rom 15:5</font>

Jesus did not try to AROUSE spiritual excitement. If He had done so He COULD NOT be a Teacher of SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE.

<font color=red>That ye may with ONE MIND and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 15: 6</font>

THAT is NOT the one mind of the unlawful sophist or self-ordained elder: that is UNISON which produces UNITY whereas HARMONY always created DISCORDANT notes even in the simple music of the time. ONE MOUTH is not the preacher's mouth or the CLERGY PRECENTOR'S mouth or 4 MOUTHS but ONE mouth speaking "that which is Written."

That defines the ekklesia or synagogue which solves the diversity problem in Romans 14, BOTH of which had a music for PLEASURING practice.

<font color=red>Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us, to the GLORY of God. Rom 15:7</font>

MUSIC was forcefully added to otherwise peacable churches among churches of Christ, the Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians. That is NOT the liberty any person is given. It REJECTED others and glorified only the musicians and the "pastors" upon whom the added glory and contributions landed.

The outlawing of PLEASURING was EXAMPLED by Jesus and COMMANDED by Paul. You can use your liberty to DO music which appeals ONLY to the flesh but you cannot be Christ-like or Paul-obedient and impose it on others who grasp that worship is in the PLACE of the human spirit and NOT by the "works of human hands" of which MAKING MUSIC must be the most works-intensive.
  • <font color=blue>For, brethren, ye have been called unto LIBERTY; only use not liberty for an occasion to the FLESH, but by love SERVE one another. Gal 5:13</font>
Paul commanded worship IN THE SPIRIT as opposed too IN THE FLESH because "outside there be concision and Dogs" identified by their singing styyles. An elder who says get over it or get lost MAY be the way to keep a COMMUNE or cummunity under control; but an ELDER does not have that authority NOR would anyone not a WOLF ever say that to someone who has "scruples."

The literature is 100% of the opinion that MUSIC appeals only to what Barnes called "the LUST of the eyes" and "the LUST of the ears." The "authority" for music has always been the Levitical Warrior Musicians. Because the temple was "like the nations" because that is what God turned them over to, the loud noises were exorcism practices.

You have to WANT to misunderstand that. That is book, chapter and verse. Ephesians 5 and Colossian 3 define the same TEACHING process and the ONLY meaning of collective WORSHIP.

The Catholic church says that music (even in its singing stage) was added because it was COMMON TO ALL PAGAN CULTS and many of the "for hire pagan priests" came flooding into the Catholic church when for the first time priests were paid by the state. The preachers are priests and the singers are Levites and the Lord's Supper is a MASS or sacrifce.

Unity is simple: REST, READ and REHEARSE the Word just like the Qahal, synagogue or "church in the Wilderness." Take the Lord's Supper and DISassemble yourselves and don't let ANYONE charge you to keep you BUSY and upset all week because they could not watch "one hour with Christ" without coffee and donuts.
<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>Jimmy,

Add to the article’s allusion to Richland Hills as the “Nation’s largest Church of Christ adding instrumental service” another congregation. Tom Brite wrote a brief statement in one of the RHCC’s threads (“Musical Instruments @ RHCC: Harp on”; 12.16.2006):
  • ” This makes the two largest Churches of Christ in the US, Oak Hills and Richland Hills instrumental. How many more will follow?”
The article in the Chronicle also mentions another of the large congregations that are subtly affiliating with and aiding the growth of the Christian Churches … and splintering the churches of Christ:
  • “A growing but still small number of Churches of Christ nationwide host instrumental praise gatherings outside of regular worship services where the Lord’s Supper is offered. A few congregations — including the 1,700-member Farmers Branch, Texas, church — have added instrumental services with communion. But Richland Hills is, by far, the largest and most influential congregation to do so.”
So, there are three large congregations—their LEADERS, i.e.—who could not resist but yield to the temptation.

The methodology of transitioning by gradualism or incrementalism is occurring before our very eyes at Richland Hills Christian Church [oops!]. As Tom Brite would attest to it—Oak Hills did a prelim test with a “small service.” Then, there was the “point of no return.”

The resignation of the two elders at RHCC reminds me of the series of resignations at the Madison church when the Saddleback Community Church pattern was being implemented. Two elders resigned from the Madison eldership initially. By the time the disease was full-blown, 5 more elders resigned—do your math … the ones that resigned did not quite make the majority rule.

The same pattern may be followed at RHCC. The no-rule minority has no recourse but to say something similar to those at Madison—
  • “We cannot be shepherds to a divided congregation who will not let us be their overseers; we cannot worship God in a divided congregation of the Lord’s church. If we have offended you in any way, we are truly sorry and ask for yours and God’s forgiveness. May God be merciful to all of us.”
Something that the majority RULE would not say!!!! [God knows for sure if 15 of 17 or 17 of 19 have honestly expressed their spiritual conviction in this matter.]

Donnie</font>
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December 18th, 2006, 5:42 pm #10

Donnie, you forgot to refer to me as the "liberal Tom Brite" so that Doctor would know who you were referring to. Just kidding !!
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