Richland Hills the Both/And Church Scam

Anonymous
Anonymous

February 12th, 2007, 1:43 pm #1

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
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KB
KB

February 12th, 2007, 4:47 pm #2

Why did you go????
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shawn
shawn

February 13th, 2007, 12:32 am #3

I'm not sure why one would go knowing that one wouldn't like what was going to happen?! If it would have been less "show"y would you have stayed and continued on. Paul says he praised God whether the motives are pure or false, because Christ was preached. Phil. 1:18 From your version, it's clear that it was a big show, but you don't have to go there and you don't have to bad mouth them. I don't think instruments are for anything other than entertaining people to church, but I'm sure there are some who feel like they are doing the right thing. By the way, "both/and" actually does exist "somewhere over the rainbow".
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

February 13th, 2007, 3:40 am #4

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
We watched from a distance the Landing of Apollo and the LOCUSTS (musical performers) performing SORCERY and driving out the old owners. That seems to be the PURPOSE of the LOCUSTS of the MOTHER OF HARLOTSs. She / he / it DRIVES OUT those marked by the Word in their spirit and works and TAKES CAPTIVE those with the MARK of CAIN which is a "musical note." While those with NO SPIRIT capable of LIFE in the SPIRIT realm they THINK that they are being PLEASURED but all known evidence including modern science knows that the are being AFFLICTED but music is addictive so they are in PRISON KEEPS and culled out from God's very, tiny, almost-invisible remnant who must go "outside the camp" and suffer the reproaches of the LEFT BEHIND reproachers but have REST so the twos and threes can "come learn of me" says Jesus who fired the doctors of the Law and CAST OUT the musical minstrels like DUNG in the same "musical" meaning of Lucifer CAST OUT OF HEAVEN.

That you can lie about God's Word and Lie TO God is proof that He has turned them loose and sending STRONG DELUSIONS to make damnation certain. When He pours out his WRATH the word is ORGE where He sends you BUFFOONS and other theatrical people Jesus identified as HYPOCRITES. What you saw with the watching world was a LAUGHING STOCK when the Israelites PLAYED in musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

We told you that musical instruments are MACHINES for doing HARD WORK and producing SHOCK AND AWE. It was the ANTICIPATION which produced the OUTBURST of "Woodstock West" as they were INJECTED with drugs to destroy the soul. DON'T BE FOOLED that they provided some SLIMFAST in the same meal with the METHEDONE--or "endorphines" which produce FIGHT, FLIGHT or SEXUAL CLIMAX (says the Wimber, vineyard Mother)

<font color=blue>2 Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST:
2 Co.4:4 In whom the god of this world
hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Co. 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your SERVANTS for Jesus sake.
2 Co. 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness,
hath shined in our hearts,
to give the light of the knowledge
of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.</font>

Paul identified LIFELESS INSTRUMENTS as CARNAL WEAPONS and declared that we CANNOT make war with these FALLEN ANGELS using MUSIC. Rather, God has given us the WORD as the Sword of The Spirit but WE have to TAKE it and SWING IT and call our God-given children OUT of once "christian colleges" which have been INFILTRATED and DIVERTED.

The ENABLERS are those who are SCAMMED by "the law of giving" or the "law of tithing." Like purgatory, they seduce people into believing that the LORD needs the money when their HIDDEN AGENDA was to provide a VENUE FOR ROCK AND ROLE (re. Shelly). You MUST inform EVERY member that the LAW OF GIVING is a scam: Paul's only word which he said IS NOT A COMMAND demanded ALL for the DESTITUTE and not ONE MITE for the INSTITUTE. The COST is very little and God has perhaps DRIVEN YOUR OUT (as I am sure He did me) to BEAR WITNESS to the truth. WWJD? you have your command from God to GO spread the GOOD NEWS that "Jesus DID pay it all" and to those Calvin called 'LAZY ASSES' he confirms that YOU DO NOT OWE.

Revelation 17 defines the beginning and end time Mother of Harlots and Revelatioon 18 defines the false speakers, singers and instrument players performing as SORCERERS. This is the MARK that the CANDLES of the seven spirits OF Christ have been removed. When you see the MARK of Rock and Roll (that primary "F" word) it is called ORGE or WRATH which God is pouring out to beat them into Topheth to the sounds of wind, string and percussion instruments. Any literate Bible Student knows that God MARKED and condemned musical instruments which are MACHINES DOING HARD WORK or for producing SHOCK AND AWE so that when we hear the TRUMPET and the WARRIOR'S perverted and perverting songs we can KNOW that it is the TRUMPET BLAST and that the musicians are the AGENTS of God's Wrath.

<font color=blue>And when they shall say unto you,
Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
should not a people seek unto their God?
for the living to the dead? Isa 8:19</font>

The familiar spirit is a dry, empty wineskin. It serves as the echo chamber of the nebel which means 'VILE.' It has the same meaning as the harp and the sounding brass in 1 Cor. 13. Amos identifies the MARZEAH which like the Agape was a perverse and perverting musical festival WITH and FOR dead ancestors called DEMON WORSHIP.

<font color=blue>To the law and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word
it is because there is NO LIGHT in them. Isa 8:20</font>

In Amos and Isaiah 5 the MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS both CAUSED and MARKED those who hungered and thirsted for the WORD of God and searching all over the nation THEY COULD NOT FIND IT.
<font color=blue>And they shall pass through it,
hardly bestead and hungry:
and it shall come to pass,
that when they shall be hungry,
they shall fret themselves,
and CURSE their king and their GOD, and look upward. Isa 8:21</font>
  • <font color=purple>H7107 qatsaph kaw-tsaf' A primitive root; to CRACK OFF, that is, (figuratively) burst out in RAGE: (be) anger (-ry), displease, fret self, (provoke to) wrath (come), be wroth.</font>

    What you saw as show and sound (the meaning of Lucifer) was a LOST people BURSTING OUT IN RAGE at a God they have denied already by Rock and Roll to damn the souls of the YOUTH prepared all of these years in the Lynn Anderson's scheme of GRADUALISM. God's wrath means and ORGY and He sends you Jesters and Buffoons and singers and musicians ALL of which plagued the OUTSIDE of all pagan temples. However, as an ent-time MARK, not in the VILEST pagan temple could any of these Jesus MARKED as hypocrites enter into the Holy Place as a type of the body or Church of Christ. Sounds just like THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION and, praise God, right on time (I pray and pray and pray).

    Joseph Campbell noted that when people REJECT their religion they CRACK AWAY to some primative religion of which music (sorcery) is the mot ancient and superstitious. YOU WATCHED A SUPERNATURAL MIRACLE where the TURNED THEIR TRICKS on route 666
<font color=blue>And they shall look unto the earth;
and behold trouble and DARKNESS dimness of anguish;
and they shall be driven to darkness. Isa 8:22</font>

Amos 5-8 and Isaiah 5 prove that MUSIC is that which deprived people of the WORD and they died. Remember that the summer basket of FRUITS in Amos means DOGS or CATAMITES because "no male would sing and play at the same time unless he was DRUNK or PERVERTED." That is why the SONGS in the temple have become HOWLING which they ADULTERATE and TRAFFIC as "music". God DRIVES them out of the church which DEFACTO outlaws music and they are denied the PRAISE from the STRAIGHT world they were willing to kill to get: but time is short.

<font color=blue>Rev 18:14 And the FRUITS that thy soul LUSTED after are departed from thee, and all things which were DAINTY and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, [millstone made a "piping" sound which identified the GRINDERS who were also prostitutes] and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians [Apollyon's muses or locusts] and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, [theater builders and stage managers] of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone [called a pipe, made a wistling sound to attract] shall be heard no more at all in thee;

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy MERCHANTS were the GREAT MEN of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.</font>

The seven SPIRITS which rested on the BRANCH (Isa 11) were spirits OF knowledge and there is no SPIRIT of singing.

It is a CURSE of "Biblical Proportions" when the perverse and perverting take over the church they spend their lives building up and the FAMILIES which will be broken AS THE CHOICE YOU MUST MAKE between family and instrumental music. However, we know of one church where they had prayer services for the early exit of the OLD people who HAD their shot. Locally, the GREY HAIRS were not part of the equation. Many tell the weeping widows who was born, baptized, married, reared children and buried a husband that YOU JUST HAVE TO GET OVER IT. Has the world EVER known such a vile band of vipers.

REMEMBERING that the TEMPLES are Phallic Symbols of the MERCHANT CLASS where "church has always been ruled by the nobility" we KNOW that elders are BUDDY PICKED and because they have MONEY or other INFLUENCE perhaps as a VIPER trafficking in PhDuhs. In our local situation being elder gave men power to CHARGE MORE in one of the POOREST counties BECAUSE THEY COULD. When the evil smell hit, it hit the pocketbook. You need to MARK those men and make sure that people know that they SHOULD NOT trust such men: you should direct your BUYING to those who are not MARKED even if it is hard to find them. DON'T GIVE A WIDOW'S MITE TO PEOPLE WHO WILL LIE TO GOD AND ABOUT GOD ON EVERY MUSICAL PARABLE HE SENT TO WARN US AND TO MARK THE CROOKED GENERATION OF VIPERS.

<font color=red>And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Rev 18:24 </font>

The PROPHETS always connected MUSIC to Satan, warriors, prostitutes or Sodomites. The clergy class always tried to SILENCE them even by DEATH. Therefore, I solemly warn you that anyone who would do the DIRTY DEED will hurt you real bad if you don't watch your step. The WORD is still YOUR weapon and YOU have it in THY HAND and they CANNOT be changed but you can and must CALL the few OUT OF BABYLON.
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Tom Brite
Tom Brite

February 13th, 2007, 6:35 pm #5

Hopefully, those RHCC members who vowed to never darken the service of the Saturday night musical show, understand enough to know that it is only a matter of time until what was unleashed on Saturday night will become the norm for Sunday mornings as well. If they are hoping to bury their heads in the sand and just get along, they will awaken to find themselves without a home congregation and their work and contributions over the years diverted to the musical animal.

I remember visiting RHCC during the "glory days." Sad to think that it will now collapse as did Oak Hills.
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Mark Waggoner
Mark Waggoner

February 14th, 2007, 1:47 pm #6

According to the Texas Secretary of State's Office, which is a matter of public record:

“No mechanical instrument of any kind whatsoever shall ever be used in connection with the song service or worship or work to be carried on or conducted by said congregation or religious body.”

“In the event any Elder of the corporation at any time shall fail to subscribe to the teachings of the New Testament, as set forth in ARTICLE FOUR herein … he shall automatically become disqualified and dropped as an Elder of the corporation.”


Article Four, (a)
Articles of Incorporation of
Richland Hills Church of Christ, Fort Worth, Texas


Secretary of State
THE STATE OF TEXAS
November 2, 1967
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

February 14th, 2007, 4:22 pm #7

Mark, this proves on the RELIGIOUS, MORAL, ETHICAL and all other basis they have kept the bylaws secret or they have changed them when no one was looking.

Nevertheless, for them to be LEGAL they must have taken a vote and refiled the bylaws. Otherwise, they have WHISKED away your property and they slept NOT EXPECTING the thieves to be those of their own house.

In Seattle, they intended to barge ahead and forgo the niceties of legal and moral consideraditions: after all, if you can lie TO God and ABOUT God and about the Bible and all known evidence, why would they let things like BINDING COVENANTS stand in their way?

When challenged they WENT TO LAW in the sense of using a lawyer to rewrite the bylaws and stake his soul on defending the hostile takeover.

The preacherling then actually PREACHED that if they didn't GET RID of the "Will of the fathers" THEY could be personally liable in court for being SECTARIAN. That was holding a gun to their heads and I am not sure that they took a vote. In order to change they had to have 100% of the enrolled members vote to make the change. They probably COOKED THE BOOKS or, as in all of these robberies, they had chased away those who had opposed and gradually gathered a majority by first introducing the Blasphemy of a Musical Worship Team. With the intimidated they MAY have posted a new WILL: some would change the wills of their mothers to steal from their brothers to "save more souls."

However, the SECTARIAN PLOY is a big fat lie: all of recorded history knows that the vocal or singing practice was acknowledged--even by the Catholics--as the AGREED UPON PRACTICE. Anyone who CHANGES that practice for ANY reason is defined as THE SECTARIAN. They love to bring in a skunk and blame you for leaving the house. This is how Hitler would have told them how to do it.

Never doubt it for a moment: those who SECTARIANIZED the Restoration churches did not NEED any authority other than "we GONNA collect more dollars' which is the translation of "we gonna save more souls." I have reviewed the most important Christian Church defense for instruments and the HATE mongering which is part of the Hegelian or Hitler scam. They simply CANNOT quote the Bible or Greek literature without DELIBERATELY "SEED PICKING" and therefore LYING 100% of the time.

I have reviewed the Farmer's Branch 'White Paper full of Black Lies" by the challenge of their "worship minister." This has been used by all of the other CHANGELINGS especially by Max Lucado's Elders Paper which He probably composed or copied as I have compared them.

Next to LYING about every recorded fact, they DO NOT quote the parts--as in Tom Burgess and the ditto-heads--which PROVES that the harp PLUCKING was in the CONTEXT of older males seducing a young boy whose hair had been PLUCKED. Philip chided Alexander the Great (who died of some vile disease) that he PLUCKED the harp TOO SKILLFULLY for a man. When the groupies sing, clap and begin to "rock and roll" with their whole body, modern science knows absolutely that MUSICAL ecstasy and SEXUAL ecstasy are the SAME thing. Again, didn't John connect the slick-willie rhetoricians (don't preach), singers and musicians to the Mother of Harlots and performing SORCERY?

I don't know the gender quotient of the musical worship teams but the ones I have watched I would not touch. One Classical writer observed that a male who SANG and PLAYED an instrument at the same time would HAVE to be drunk or perverted. And they had both in the male Symposia where 'flute-girl" means "prostitute." Perhaps that is why Lucifer in the garden of Eden is defined as "the singing and harp playing prostitute" and the Mother of Harlots (including Zoe) has as her Ministry Team sophists, singers and musicians. John then called them SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.

The whole Bible and contemporaneous commentary such as The Book of Enoch and the general understanding of Hebrew Scholars treat religious musicians as the AGENTS of Satan whose DESTINY was to BLEED OFF worship due only to God and HIS Word. If we deny that they are FALLEN ANGELS now unleashed as John's Locusts with scorpion stingers in their "tails" to SEPARATE OUT those with different MARKS, no one can deny the universal BELIEF and the SELF-EVIDENT horrors of claiming to worship a holy (wholly) Spirit God with Rock and Roll has the INTENTION and RESULT of bleeding off attention from Jesus and HIS Words.

Whatever the MOTIVE or RESULTS in collecting all of the MARKED of the world, how can bible-based leaders be so UTTERLY SILENT while the WOLVES (means perverts in Acts 20) are eating up the INNOCENT LAMBS?

From my mail from diverse groups who are under the same AFFLICTION, the "stockyard creed" has caused a SMELL which is repelling people from all churches of Christ whom they doubt can be trusted with their children's health care and education money. We are ALL in the quagmire and "too tidy preachers" which Navigators defines as 85% feminine tilted have BEEN PRESENTED with a QUESTION as profound as at the First Advent: will you let Jesus give the peoplel REST or will you let the wolves eat them up.

The HITLER Purpose Driven Method is to RIDICULE and SILENCE the timid because IT WORKS and too late, he says, they have gambled away their freedom by the use of the GREAT DEMONSTRATION which is already being trafficed as PROOF that instruments MUST be added.
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KEN Sublett
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February 16th, 2007, 9:10 pm #8

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
I think you have a dominant MOTHER in all of these radicalized churches. That is why many Methodist feminists and lesbian professors and "pastors" have restored the worship of Sophia and ZOE who is the Mother of the Gods, THE Beast and female instructing principle. That is why worship and leadership is rapidly made into a Testesterone Free Zone and it also means that I WOULD NOT snip and sip any "libation" served as the Lord's Supper.

The Latin Romans 15:1 reads.

<font color=blue>XV. debemus autem nos firmiores inbecillitates infirmorum sustinere et non nobis placere</font>

"Placere" [more later] like the Greek ARESKOS outlaws music or anything which creates "mental excitement" is the MARK that the Sorcerers or Dogs which marks the Sodomite priests of the FEMINIST GODDESS. Paul knew MUCH MORE about the EVE figure than universities will ever be able to find out. There is much information in the Bible and the host of contemporaneous commentary which makes her a bad actor. The tree According to Jeremiah 4 was the "Assyrians" and the Musical Enchanter was a NAHASH or NAGA or serpent goddess. Miriam, later fulfilled the role of bucking male leadership when she LED OUT the women to sing and dance while Moses RECITED the Word of God.

It is no accident that Paul warns about the Mother of Harlots which is a POINTER to feminists religionism which always goes for EMASCULATING the males and if YOU wish to serve in the NEW STYLE WORSHIP you will have to, as they say at the Willow Creek, "gladly submit to the rule of female elders" the class taught, of course by an female eldress. Karen Armstrong notes that the MASCULINE religion is devoted to the WORD but the feminists as in Amos is devoted to sex, wine, music and is ANTI-word.

Caroll Osburn: The ACU Agenda: Use Prophetic roles to teach Channelers and Facilitators the method of subverting the 'hierarchial" views of Jesus and Paul is quoted seemingly with approval: <font color=red>"Feminist hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics" its goal achieved "by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS"</font> ( WOMEN IN THE CHURCH: Reclaiming the Ideal p. 32).

The Shelly -- York and I am certain the whole SMALL band of discorders deny the "individual's right to read, interpret or speak the Word outside of the community" which means the COMMUNE where the reading is by the dominant pastor who is NOT of the WORD type. All of this, of course, didn't come from the Holy Spirit speaking to them but from Paper Religionism which gives them an EXCUSE to go WORDless:

<font color=blue>"It is difficult to know whether Fish intended this as a by-product, but the idea of authority resting in the interpretive community gave rise to narrative theology -- a theology which simply affirms a given community's right to come up with its own interpretation, or to "write" its own new biblical text. Narrative theology gave rise to various narrative communities-- hence, the arrival of liberation and feminist theologies.
  • "Narrative theology does not recognize any absolute truth or meaning in a text. Because Buber is the founder, most narrative theology, especially in Jewish circles, is related to Auschwitz." "And, what is the purpose of reading texts, for narrative theologians? Why, of course, to affirm the self. Hazards in the Mainline.
</font>In fact they BOAST about using the old "fragments" of the Bible to WRITE themselves in as a Moses or more powerful "Jesus." That is why the METHODS OF CHANGE come directly from Mein Kampf or the Prince by Machiavelly as adduced by Shelly. The "intellectuals" were never seduced but Hitler worked on the HUMAN MATERIAL whom he knew could be molded by speaking, music and spectacle. Why? Why, because it WORKS
Jesus demanded worship in the PLACE of the human spirit and devoted to the Word or Truth which He called SPIRIT. He knew that the PIPERS who wanted to get him to sing and dance represented the Dionysus people of the persisting Abomination of Desolation which took music and sex into the Holy Places.

Paul warned that by APPEALING to the flesh you are CONDEMNED: we worship in OUR human Spirit and the gyrating on the stage is NOT holy but profane and disgusting.

<font color=blue>Rom 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit

Phil 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
Phil 3:2 Beware of DOGS, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Phil 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God IN THE SPIRIT, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. </font>

That is what we quoted from Jeremiah who INCLUDED rejoicing in the word and EXCLUDED the rejoicing clearly defined by watching Richland Hills "rise up to PLAY."

IN REVELATION 18 JOHN IDENTIFIED THE "FRUITY" SINGERS AND MUSICIANS AS SORCERERS.

<font color=blue>Rev 18:14 And the FRUITS that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.</font>
The baskets of summer FRUIT points directly to Sodomites operating around most temples along with the prostitute and especially condemned by Amos.
<font color=blue>Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians [Apollyon's muses or locusts] and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, [theater builders and stage managers] of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone [called a pipe, made a wistling sound to attract] shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy SORCERIES were all nations deceived. </font>

IN REVELATION 22 JOHN EQUATES THE SORCERERS TO DOGS AND LIARS. Music is always DEFACTO lying.

<font color=blue>I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:13
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev 22:14
For WITHOUT are DOGS, and SORCERERS and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev 22:15 </FONT>

Cymbal from the Greek and the Soothsaying Connection

<font color=blue>Kuma (g2949) koo'-mah; from 2965, (to swell with young, i.e. bend, curve); a billow (as bursting or toppling): - wave.
Kuon (g2965) koo'-ohn; a prim. word; a dog ["hound"] (lit. or fig.): - dog.</font>

In paganism the male prostitutes were the "dogs of Cyble" and in the Old Testament a "dog" is a symbol:

<font color=blue>Keleb (h3611) keh'leb; from an unused root mean. to yelp, or else to attack; a dog; hence (by euphemism) a male prostitute: - dog.
And the sorcerer is:

"Applied to Persian priests or astrologers of Babylon. Pharmakos (g5333) an adjective signifying "devoted to magical arts," is used as a noun, "a sorcerer," especially one who uses drugs, potions, spells, enchantments, Rev 21:8, in the best texts (some have pharmakeus) and 22:15" Vine

Pharmassô2.to bewitch by potions or philtres: hence to bewitch by flattery

in-canto , I.To sing A.To say over, mutter, or chant a magic formula against some one: 1.To consecrate with charms or spells, 2.To bewitch, enchant</font>

THEREFORE, when Paul warned about worship IN THE SPIRIT and limited that to thee Word of God, he warned that THERE BE DOGS. These were the cynics who identified one another like wolves by the form of their singing: looking for someone to DEVOUR (code word).

<font color=blue>Merrill Commentary on Catullus 63: Cybele had early become identified with the Cretan divinity Rhea (ZOE), the Mother of the Gods, and to some extent with Demeter, the search of Cyhele for Attis being compared with that of Demeter for Persephone.
The especial worship of Cybele was conducted by emasculated priests called Galli (or, as in vv. 12 and 34, with reference to their physical condition, Gallæ). Their name was derived by the ancients from that of the river Gallus, a tributary of the Sangarius, by drinking from which men became inspired with frenzy (cf. Ov. Fast. 4.361ff.). [Gas loaded at Delphi] The worship was orgiastic in the extreme, and was accompanied by the sound of such frenzy-producing instruments as the tympana, cymbala, tibiæ, and cornu, and culminated in scourging, self-mutilation, syncope from excitement. and even death from hemorrhage or heart-failure (cf. Lucr. 2.598ff.; Varr. Sat. Men. 131 Büch.ff.; Ov. Fast. 4.179ff.).
  • Syncope: Webster. 1) the dropping of the sounds or letters from the middle of a word. 2) fainting, or loss of consciousness, caused by a temporary deficiency of blood supply to the brain.
The worship of the Magna Mater, or Mater Idæa, as she was often called (perhaps from identification with Rhea [ZOE, EVE] of the Cretan Mt. Ida rather than from the Trojan Mt. Ida), was introduced into Rome in 205 B.C. in accordance with a Sibylline oracle which foretold that only so could `a foreign enemy' (i.e. Hannibal) be driven from Italy.

Livy 29.10, Livy 29.14) The early connection of Attis with the Mother of the Gods seems to point to the association of an original male element with an original female element as the parents of all things.

But in the age of tradition Attis appears as a servant instead of an equal,
and the subordination of the male to the female element is further emphasized by the representation of Attis,
like the Galli of historic times, as an emasculated priest.</font>


A capella DOES NOT mean congregational singing but smale group of CASTRATOS the Pope brought to the Sistine Chapel where it was unlawful to use a MACHINE or instrument in the Offical Mass held by the Pope.

The PUSHING of a capella for SOME of our old traditional assemblies MEANS that we will used the DEFACTO people who are limp wristed and twisted or they could never go public and claim to be THE MEDIATORS. It is a MARK of the Beast (Zoe) whereas CAIN is derived from a "musical note" and a "lance striking fast" and that is why INSTRUMENTS are WEAPONS. Cyrus was told how to pacify the enemy
  • <font color=purple>Grant, then, forgiveness to the Lydians, and to make sure of their never rebelling against thee, or alarming thee more,
    send and forbid them to keep any weapons of war, command them to wear tunics under their cloaks, and to put buskins upon their legs,
    and make them bring up their sons to cithern-playing (Kitharizein), singing (psallein), and shop-keeping (Hucksterism). (Or translated lyre playing and harping which is redundant)
    So wilt thou soon see them become women instead of men,
    and there will be no more fear of their revolting from thee."</font>
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February 27th, 2007, 5:12 am #9

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
I am a member of RHCC and find that there is nothing unscriptural about instrumental worship or saturday evening services. I believe the Lord gives us freedom in worship, as long as we are praising him. To those who say that instruments have no place because they are not mentioned in the New Testament, I say, there is no mention of Sunday School, community outreach programs, or many other things we've brought into the church. What about our buildings we worship in today? They aren't like the ones in Jesus day, either, but does that mean we can't worship in them. Communion wasn't taken in the temple either. Breaking bread in the disciples day was totally different than the way we do it in our services. There are many things diferent today from then. Why are people on this forum only picking on instruments and making such a big issue out of it? The Bible doesn't say you CAN'T have intruments, so why are you looking for a scripture that says you CAN have them? I think this is sad how people pick a subject like instruments and make a big deal about it. The Lord was blessed when David played the harp in worship; why would he later have a concern with it? This is about people arguing over doctrine rather than scripture. The church has built these false doctrines and some love to be burdened down by them and keep others burdened down by them, when we are free in the Lord.

I am so happy to be a part of Richland Hills Church of Christ and have been blessed by attending the Saturday night service. I believe Rick is a very sincere and Godly man who is not trying to lead us down a wrong path. I believe he has prayed about this and the Elders are in agreement with him. I think it is very bold for them to step out and say they are allowing God to lead the church in a direction He wants to lead it. Reaching the lost is so important and it's more important than whether there are instruments in worship or not. I've never understood why the churches of christ had issue with that. It isn't scriptural.

I feel all who are currently members at RHCC and any who are reading this, need to at least listen to the lessons Rick gave and listen with an open, not closed, heart. And feel blessed to be part of such a wonderful body of believers who are concerned about the church body there as well as the lost. Richland Hills is also very much working in the community to help spread God's love. I feel truly blessed and would encourage you to pray about your concerns and ask God to reveal His will in your life. Don't just go by what you've been told all your life, because most of that is doctorine given to you by the church and not from God, necessarily. I will pray for you and all who are reading this that God speaks to your heart.
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February 27th, 2007, 4:53 pm #10

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
7 Myths about Church

First, the word CHURCH is a myth
Church is derived from Circe or Kirke who is the Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17.
She seduces people with music or magical encantations and has sex or "virutal sex" (hee haw)
She turned them into beastS [meaning a massed multitude]
She then feeds them "sermons" of hand-kneeded dung patty cakes
You will remember that Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels like dung.

Or, the word CHURCH is derived from kirkos or kuklos or circus.
This is the root of ORGANIZED religion with a dominant head who feeds you on lies
And controls your life and money and SOWS DISCORD.

Second, "worship service" is a myth.
The Levitical Warrior Musicians made NOISE to serve (hard bondage) the PRIESTS.
The Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness was to REST (sabbath), READ and REHEARSE the word
This was practiced by all Israelits other than the Civil-Military-Priestly Complex.
Rest outlaws "singing and noisy instrument" and "sending out ministers."
Paul's UNIQUE worship word meant to give heed to the Word "that which is written."
His word for assembly is SYNAGOGUE which never "had a praise service."
The direct command (as in school) was to speak WITH ONE MIND and ONE mouth
as the ONLY way to glorify God, educate, comfort with Scripture and keep the unity.

Third, preaching is a MYTH.
The preacher is not on the Spirit-given workers of the school.
Sermonizing was outlawed for the synagogue as in all of the NOT singing passages.
Preaching arose from MERCINARIES who knew how to fleee people:
Lucian of Samosata said just "spin the top and play the flute and fleece the
fat heads and simpletons." Still works for you, huh?

Fourth, SANGING is a myth: singing in the pagan sense came with the pagan priesthood
who discovered that the STATE paid them--about 400 years too late.

Fifth, sanging twilar paris and Fanny Crosby is a myth: will turn you into a blind woman
according to Lucifer called the "singing and harp playing prostitute."

Sixth, a STAFF INFECTION is a myth: Paul said of the MANY: "if they will not work
neither shall the eat." If YOU quit feeding them they will go to a shelter.

Seventh, The LAW of giving is both a myth and a big fat lie. Paul declared it NOT
a command. It was a ONE TIME offering for the DESTITUTE as an approved example.
Because Jesus PAID it all and give us the free water of the Word, we can INFER
that the INSTITUTE which steals from the DESTITUTE is a LYING WONDER.

There is NOT FORGIVENESS for lying TO God and ABOUT God.

God COMMANDS you to cease being a FLEECEE
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