Richland Hills the Both/And Church Scam

Christ Follower
Christ Follower

September 20th, 2007, 3:04 pm #11

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
Simply... let's say that instruments are a damning thing to worship with... you talk about Rick and the people that go to a Saturday night service as if they are Satan himself.

I think if you are going to have a forum like this to talk about happenings in the church I think we need to first turn to the Greatest Commandment (you know the one about loving one another...) from this we can derive the saying "Have love as the motivation for doing all things..."

If you can sit here and say it was a show...(I am not a member at RHCC, but I attend the Sat. Night Service)...who are you to judge Ryan's motivation in worship, mine, or the little boy I saw closing his eyes and worshiping and raising his hands... was he there for the show or was he there to worship God? I have never seen a kid want to worship instead of draw. i think that kid rocks.

I think God is sick of his church not being unified because of things that he didn't find to be a big enough deal to at least waste ONE verse in the NT about it. I hope that when we get to heaven...God has every different kind of worship possible...because that is what worship is about right...??? God NOT us.

Thats really all i have.

Blessings.
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peacetoall
peacetoall

September 24th, 2007, 5:37 pm #12

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
Bring back the bible, please.
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peacetoall
peacetoall

September 24th, 2007, 7:16 pm #13

Mark, this proves on the RELIGIOUS, MORAL, ETHICAL and all other basis they have kept the bylaws secret or they have changed them when no one was looking.

Nevertheless, for them to be LEGAL they must have taken a vote and refiled the bylaws. Otherwise, they have WHISKED away your property and they slept NOT EXPECTING the thieves to be those of their own house.

In Seattle, they intended to barge ahead and forgo the niceties of legal and moral consideraditions: after all, if you can lie TO God and ABOUT God and about the Bible and all known evidence, why would they let things like BINDING COVENANTS stand in their way?

When challenged they WENT TO LAW in the sense of using a lawyer to rewrite the bylaws and stake his soul on defending the hostile takeover.

The preacherling then actually PREACHED that if they didn't GET RID of the "Will of the fathers" THEY could be personally liable in court for being SECTARIAN. That was holding a gun to their heads and I am not sure that they took a vote. In order to change they had to have 100% of the enrolled members vote to make the change. They probably COOKED THE BOOKS or, as in all of these robberies, they had chased away those who had opposed and gradually gathered a majority by first introducing the Blasphemy of a Musical Worship Team. With the intimidated they MAY have posted a new WILL: some would change the wills of their mothers to steal from their brothers to "save more souls."

However, the SECTARIAN PLOY is a big fat lie: all of recorded history knows that the vocal or singing practice was acknowledged--even by the Catholics--as the AGREED UPON PRACTICE. Anyone who CHANGES that practice for ANY reason is defined as THE SECTARIAN. They love to bring in a skunk and blame you for leaving the house. This is how Hitler would have told them how to do it.

Never doubt it for a moment: those who SECTARIANIZED the Restoration churches did not NEED any authority other than "we GONNA collect more dollars' which is the translation of "we gonna save more souls." I have reviewed the most important Christian Church defense for instruments and the HATE mongering which is part of the Hegelian or Hitler scam. They simply CANNOT quote the Bible or Greek literature without DELIBERATELY "SEED PICKING" and therefore LYING 100% of the time.

I have reviewed the Farmer's Branch 'White Paper full of Black Lies" by the challenge of their "worship minister." This has been used by all of the other CHANGELINGS especially by Max Lucado's Elders Paper which He probably composed or copied as I have compared them.

Next to LYING about every recorded fact, they DO NOT quote the parts--as in Tom Burgess and the ditto-heads--which PROVES that the harp PLUCKING was in the CONTEXT of older males seducing a young boy whose hair had been PLUCKED. Philip chided Alexander the Great (who died of some vile disease) that he PLUCKED the harp TOO SKILLFULLY for a man. When the groupies sing, clap and begin to "rock and roll" with their whole body, modern science knows absolutely that MUSICAL ecstasy and SEXUAL ecstasy are the SAME thing. Again, didn't John connect the slick-willie rhetoricians (don't preach), singers and musicians to the Mother of Harlots and performing SORCERY?

I don't know the gender quotient of the musical worship teams but the ones I have watched I would not touch. One Classical writer observed that a male who SANG and PLAYED an instrument at the same time would HAVE to be drunk or perverted. And they had both in the male Symposia where 'flute-girl" means "prostitute." Perhaps that is why Lucifer in the garden of Eden is defined as "the singing and harp playing prostitute" and the Mother of Harlots (including Zoe) has as her Ministry Team sophists, singers and musicians. John then called them SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world.

The whole Bible and contemporaneous commentary such as The Book of Enoch and the general understanding of Hebrew Scholars treat religious musicians as the AGENTS of Satan whose DESTINY was to BLEED OFF worship due only to God and HIS Word. If we deny that they are FALLEN ANGELS now unleashed as John's Locusts with scorpion stingers in their "tails" to SEPARATE OUT those with different MARKS, no one can deny the universal BELIEF and the SELF-EVIDENT horrors of claiming to worship a holy (wholly) Spirit God with Rock and Roll has the INTENTION and RESULT of bleeding off attention from Jesus and HIS Words.

Whatever the MOTIVE or RESULTS in collecting all of the MARKED of the world, how can bible-based leaders be so UTTERLY SILENT while the WOLVES (means perverts in Acts 20) are eating up the INNOCENT LAMBS?

From my mail from diverse groups who are under the same AFFLICTION, the "stockyard creed" has caused a SMELL which is repelling people from all churches of Christ whom they doubt can be trusted with their children's health care and education money. We are ALL in the quagmire and "too tidy preachers" which Navigators defines as 85% feminine tilted have BEEN PRESENTED with a QUESTION as profound as at the First Advent: will you let Jesus give the peoplel REST or will you let the wolves eat them up.

The HITLER Purpose Driven Method is to RIDICULE and SILENCE the timid because IT WORKS and too late, he says, they have gambled away their freedom by the use of the GREAT DEMONSTRATION which is already being trafficed as PROOF that instruments MUST be added.
Some years ago, instumental music was discussed and studied often. So often, that it became clear to me that an extremely important part of the problem that musical instruments in the worship creates is that of being a "stumblingblock" to many brethren. Therefore, our brother Paul when writing Romans 14:13 gives biblical advice. This is one of many reasons to follow Paul as he followed Christ. Romans 14:13. In consideration of this verse, it would be of great value that brethren should consider the "stumblingblock" of which they are placing into the brotherhood when the instruments of worship are used. To consider each other with such love would show the world that we are his disciples.
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Ken Sublett
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September 28th, 2007, 5:16 pm #14

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
Jesus identified the SONS OF THE DEVIL as those who "spoke on their own." The Crooked generation Jesus and Paul warned about were the "skolion singers" who engaged in musicl competiton -- just like racing to "do my part best and loudest." The Generation (Race) of Vipers John refused to baptized hung on as the Abomination of Desolation when the Kenites or Cainites replaced the faithful Israelites to engage in the musical, sexual and perverted "worship" in the temple where any Levite would be executed. This is well defined in Maccabees and many other ancient contemporaneous writings: Jesus refused to preach the gospel to them. All known history notes that they are uniquely THE DEVIL'S INSTRUMENTS.

http://www.piney.com/2Macc.html

And

http://www.piney.com/1Macc.html

Here you will see the NEW STYLE WORSHIP "theaters for holy entertainment" defined in detail. I agree with Jesus, John, Peter and Jude.

QUESTION <font color=red>Tell me where it says definitively not to use instruments when worshiping God. Tell me where it says definitively that you can only worship God ONE way and there is NO other way. I know what you will tell me, and it is all opinion or your interpretation, which is not definitive.</font>

God is not worshipped in houses or by the works of human hands. A musical instrument is defined as a "machine for doing hard work" and the in connection with warfare and the same shock and awe used by pagan religions to fool the simple." A carnal weapon and a lifeless instrument have some of the same meaning.

Jesus said that the only PLACE God will accept you is in the NEW place of the human spirit in contrast to the PLACES of the temples.

Paul said that the converts now worshipped IN THE SPIRIT in contrast to IN THE FLESH. The provision of Jesus Christ observed by Paul and the historic church warned that OUTSIDE the DOGS lurked around any group of worshippers. The dogs were Cynics and others IDENTIFIED by their howling style of "praise singing." This was like the coyotes down the hill or the wolves looking for a nesting partner for the night.

The DOGS and SORCERERS are lumped together as "burnable" and John in Revelation 18 identifies the lusted after FRUITS and slick speakers, singers and instrument players as SORCERERS who had deceived the whole world.

Therefore when you JUDGE a child as worshipping as lifting his hands you may see a child already MARKED gender wise or being "sorcerized" by the "beat" and the expectation. You will never be an insider as opposed to "Assimilated" or the "intellectual leaders" noted by Hitler as opposed to the HUMAN MATERIAL if you do not GOOSE CLAP to affirm the leader of the PACK. That is historical Cave of the Bear Clan from the most ancient knowledge. The child is suffering Child Abuse and probably being mollested because music intends to stroke all of your pleasure centers--all of them!

The Spirit OF Christ spoke only through the Prophets and Apostles. Unless you deliberately lie for your own profit, you cannot miss the radical association between Satan, warriors, sacrificial exorcists, prostitutes and Sodomites who plagued ALL sacrificial temples. Here is a bit of Romans 15 which is one of the NOT MUSICAL passages none of the "scholars" ever read. If it is long be happy that I will not hold out my hand as a robber.

I want to expand on just a few ideas from the Romans 14-15 passage: In Romans 14 Paul outlawed letting the Roman SECTS dialog in the assembly. They would be Market-Place religions marked by DIET. However, like a church sign, that identified them all as addicted to music to "make the spirits come." Without dipping his pen, in Romans 15 Paul defined the assembly to EXCLUDE self-pleasure meaning all of the performing arts; and he INCLUDED the very definition of synagogue or ekklesia as "a school of the Bible" only.

Similar passages from Genesis to Revelation and in all known literature MARK the perverted pagans as using music to create AROUSAL and no scholar doubts the Religion-means-Sexuality connection. Impure religion or Threskia, which is EXCLUDED by INCLUDING right living and social justice, was invented by Orhpheus and the Lesbian singers-musicians. They were MARKED as having taken Homer's EPIC poetry and perverted it to LYRIC and then performed musically. As in the Vineyard, just before "giving of substance" the last ACT was using music to bring on a SEXUAL-LIKE CLIMACTIC EXPERIENCE with the Spirit. That is aka New Wineskins.

I am not sure anyone would need a LAW to keep from doing that which is disruptive, divisive and prevents the role of being "a school of the Bible." If even singing added about 373 in a few places was divisive why would you want to add instruments which are "premeditated" to sow discord and the "we think the losses are worth the effort"?

<font color=red>Rom 15:1 WE then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.</font>

Music HURTS or causes PANIC which the vipers sell as the SPIRIT inside. That is why you don't ABUSE or mollest people who do not hear "churchy" (voodoo derived) singing as pleasant but as ABRADING which is the very root meaning of PSALLO "to grind into a fine powder."

"Please self" is a concept which includes the "laded burden" Jesus died to remove meaning "creation of spiritual anxiety through religious rituals."
  • <font color=blue>G700 aresky ar-es'-ko Probably from G142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by implication to seek to be so: please.

    G142 airo ah'ee-ro A primary verb; to lift; by implication to take up or away; figuratively to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); specifically to sail away (that is, weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare [ H5375 ]) to expiate sin: away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove,</font><font color=red> take (AWAY, up).</font>

    This connects to the word AEIDO and HERESY: no one imposes music on a peaceable church who does NOT intend to "lift you up (mentally) in order to CARRY YOU AWAY for his / her / its OWN USES. A Demagogue "appeases the masses by using the popular arts." Both the Greek and Latin word outlaws ALL performing arts because that MARKS the meaning of Hypocrite. All of the arousal singing and instrumental words are defined as enchantment or sorcery as did John in Revelation 18. We don't need a law to command us not to be a heretic or sorcery. Jesus pointed to Isaiah and Ezekiel 33 to identify the Scribes and Hypocrites (professionals only) by identifying rhetoricians, singers and instrument players. You don't NEED a law to keep from joining yourself to a church turned into a "theater for holy entertainment" meaning the Hypocritic or Histrionic arts.
There are several PSALLO words: the two most important ones are rooted in warfare and perverted seduction. One includes he idea of "hedonistic" men.

The word "psallo" used to justify deliberately sowing discord is NEVER a musical term: it means to pluck or tear or pull away. It is primarily a warfare word as in PLUCKING the bow to send a singing arrow into a literal heart. Secondly, it is a woud SPECIFICIALLY dedicated to the polluted rope they used to MARK people who dallied around the marketplace--where Jesus consigned the "pipers, singers and dancers"--and FORCE them into the EKKLESIA which permitted SPEAKING only and no entertainment. Thirdly, because Apollo (Abaddon) used his lyre to enable shooting LOVE ARROWS as the "father of homosexuality." The word NEVER speaks of playing an instrument but of plucking. Of ALL of the literature to justify IMPOSING instruments MARK older males plucking the harp strings to seduce a "youth minister" whose hairs had been PLUCKED.

As the SELF PLEASURE outlaws all of the performing arts--rhetoric, singing, playing, dancing and drama as the HYPOCRITIC arts--the word PSALLO is never DEFINED but it is used of the PLUCKING and always deadly or perverted:
  • <font color=blue>Psallo I. In gen., to play upon a stringed instrument; esp., to play upon the cithara, to sing to the cithara: psallere elegantius, </font><font color=red>[carry AWAY]</font><font color=blue> 1. to convey away (from the family) by bequest, to bequeath away</font>
That is why those CEREMONIAL LEGALISTS who impose instruments--for their own profit--INTENTIONALLY drive away any of those who question "God's annointeds" thinking they can pick up REPLACEMENTS using entertainment. That is what happened at the first Abomination of Desolation.

The ekklesia is a synagogue or SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE: it has no other collective purpose where the Lord's Supper is a teaching or preaching activity.

<font color=red>Ro.15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.</font>
  • <font color=blue>Aedificatio, III. Figurative, building up, instructing, edification. Absolute: [A] loquitur ad Aedificationem [C] Ecclesiae [church], Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 12 ; ib. Eph. 4, 12.</font>
The Latin phrase loquitur ad Aedificationem Ecclesiae defines THE meaning of the ekklesia or church and the same METHOD excludes music of any kind. Singing would be the ODE which defines "Hebrew cantillation" which means SPEAK as in the word SPEAK.
  • <font color=blue>A. Loquor a. [Sanscr. lap-, to talk, whisper; Gr. lak-, elakon, laskô], to speak, talk, say (in the language of common life, in the tone of CONVERSATION.

    b Act. 1. To speak out, to say, tell, talk about, mention, utter, name, declare, show, indicate or express clearly</font>

    The PLACE is the ekklesia which we call church.

    <font color=blue>B. Ecclesia ekklêsia, an assembly of the (Greek) people</font>

    This is how you SPEAK for EDUCATION in the ECCLESIAE. In Greek the word:

    <font color=blue>logik-os , ê, on, ( [logos] )
    A. of or for speaking or speech, merê l. logikê, hê, speech,
    opposite to mousikê and phantasia expressed in speech,

    C. Ecclesiae similar to synagogue or church for VOCAL instruction only. Anyone who dallied around the marketplace would be MARKED by the polluted rope defined under the word PSALLO and unfit for "church attendance.</font>
The Muses are the dirty, adulterous "musical worship team" of Apollo or Apollyon in Revelation. In Revelation 17 John identifies the Mother of Harlots. In Revelation 18 he says that the "lusted after FRUITS" will be removed along with the rhetoricians, singers and instrument players." John said that they were SORCERERS who HAD deceived the whole world. Originally these had been agents of "Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute" in the garden of Eden. Amos in the "musical worship" passages warns about the "baskets of summer FRUITSs." Thes were the same musical deviates.
  • <font color=blue>Mousikos II. of persons, skilled in music, musical, III. of things, elegan, delicate [fruits], brômata Diox.1 ; professional musicians, mousikos kai melôn poêtês, hêdion ouden, oude -ôteron Philem.23 ; harmonious [in tune], fitting, trophê</font>
<font color=red>For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written,
The reproaches [making Him naked] of them that reproached thee fell on me. Romans 15:3</font>

When Jesus identified the generation (race) of children the word is PLAY: Play was the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. They wanted to PIPE hoping that Jesus would SING (lament) and Dance the Dionysus shuffle. That was the perverted "initiation" which was prophesied as the TRIUMPH OVER in Psalm 41. That is the meaning of a RACE of vipers or a CROOKED GENERATION used by Jesus and Peter: they were the perverted skolion singers and players in the usual perverted men's assemblies.

<font color=red>For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning (teaching), that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Romans 15:4</font>

Paul commanded the Elders to "teach that which had been taught." He commanded Timothy how to conduct "ekklesia" by "giving attention to the (public) reading of the Word." Then identical to the synagogue and the APPROVED EXAMPLE of Jesus, He would sit down and discuss any univerals doctrine and exhort people to obey that read portion. People would say AMEN as in the historic church.

<font color=red>Now the God of patience and consolation</font> [the Comfort of God comes directly from Scripture]<font color=blue>
grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: Romans 15:5</font>

If you Walk in the steps of Christ Jesus you will CAST OUTthe musical minstrels meaning "Like Dung" and consign the pipers, singers and dancers to the same Agora where they made music and one another. The second meaning of PSALLO in fact MARKS the musical children to the AGORA or MARKETPLACE where you MARKED peoplle by their diet (Rom 14) but all of the sects were highly vocal and instrumental.

Here is the DIRECT COMMAND for the only PRAISE or GLORIFYING permitted in the church where you "sing that which written" and "teach that which has been taught."

<font color=red>That ye may with ONE MIND and one MOUTH glorify (tell of His works) God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 15:6</font>

This identifies UNISION which creates UNITY. It OUTLAWS speak performance singers as well as increasingly--distressing forms of complex harmony. Harmony is NEVER melody.

There is NO SILENCE or INFERENCES required to obey: Scripture and all literary and ethical scholars OUTLAW you from infering that yu can VIOLATE the direct command to SPEAK one to another.


The EKKLESIA has the same meaning as the Synagogue or church in the wilderness where instrumental and vocal rejoicing was outlawed during "school of the Bible," we should understand that as the Spirit OF Christ the Qahal or synagogue had been established for EDUCATION ONLY and it quarantined the people from the Kingly-Priestly Complex which was idental to all national kingdoms TO WHIGH God had abandoned them at Mount Sinai. The INSTRUMENTAL sacrifices, says Stephen, was "God having abandoned them to worship the STARRY HOST." Now, why would people twist THAT CURSE as a command to deliberately sow discord? This is the APPROVED EXAMPLE of Jesus.

<font color=blue>"Hallel, in Jewish ritual, selection from the Psalms, chanted as part of the liturgy during certain festivals.
The more frequently used selection includes Psalms 113-118 and is known as the Egyptian Hallel, presumably because Psalm 114 begins.......
It is sung in synagogues on the first two days of Passover, on Shabuoth, on Sukkot, on each morning of the eight days of Hanukkah, and at the close of the Seder.
  • "The Hallel through the generations, on specific occasions: Pesachim 117a
    "Hallel requires a full stomach and a satisfied spirit: Taanis 25b-26a
    The reading is beloved to the people, and so they listen closely: Megillah 21b
    "The Hallel as an Institution of the Prophets, to use to pray for salvation from danger: Pesachim 117a [2x]
    Saying the Hallel daily is blasphemous: Shabbos 118b
</font>The Spirit OF Christ spoke only through the Prophets and later the Apostles. ALL of the Prophetic people of God radically condemned the musical, sacrificial system of the CIVIL State as God's curse and REMOVING GRACE. Why would we need a LAW to keep from falling into that always-musical FALL FROM GRACE?

This OUTLAWS the same LADED BURDEN put down by Jesus which is "creating mental excitement through religious rituals." A repeating type song is CALLED a burden. This EXCLUDES all of the performing arts. The new SABBATH or REST (Pauo) is highly dedicated to saying, "Stop the speaking, stop the singing, stop the instruments meaning STOP the Panic.

The only way you can say that God DID NOT outlaw instruments AND associate them with Satan as source, warriors, temple exorcists, prostitutes and sodomites, is to utterly fail to DEFINE WORDS which is the meaning of being a DISCIPLE. I can prove that ALL of those imposing instruments and deliberaly sowing discord DELIBERATELY lie about all of the supposed-musical passages in the Bible and all known literature. Jesus says that the "sons of the Devil" are liars because the SPEAK on their own and Enoch to which Jude and others points identifies the PERFORMERS ignoring the Word as those FOR WHOM God prepared Hell. Isaiah 30 confirms.

If you want to do CEREMONIAL LEAGALISM and mock Jesus and His Word and identify yourself with the UNIVERSAL mark of perverted (crooked generation) of homosexuality, there is no law which says: "Thou shat NOT mark thyself as a musical pervert" whom Paul called DOGS to be left OUTSIDE of spiritual worship. THAT is why about half of the OWNERS of any such perverted institute give both their coat and cloke and flee like Joseph.
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Ken Sublett
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October 7th, 2007, 2:09 am #15

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
Reviewing Al Maxey reviewing John Mark Hicks. I will post fuller comments here.

http://www.piney.com/Maxey.Hicks.html




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October 8th, 2007, 5:52 pm #16

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
Grace Centered Magazine is doing their "insider" dialog on 2 Peter. One of the posters asked about the connection between Peter's letters and the Book of Jude. There are close parallels because both are out takes of The Book of Enoch. Enoch is quoted or alluded to at least 128 times in the New Testament. Enoch defines the FOR WHOM God will come with ten thousands of His saints or angels to utterly punish a certain class. This class includes Satan and all he / she / it can seduce using all of the theatrical arts or Hypocritic arts to appeas the masses to PREVENT the teaching of God's Word--word for word as Isaiah 28 defines it.

The Book of Enoch begins here:

http://www.piney.com/ApocEnoch1.html

The Crooked Generation of the perverted Skolion singers is here:

http://www.piney.com/Acts.2.Crooked.html

Plato on the Syposium where Paul told the elders to "not go near wine" and the prostitute / sodomite musicians.

http://www.piney.com/ClassPlatoSymposium.html

And Hesoid's Theogony from which the Bible Writers got examples of the FALSE religions to write their PRESCRIPTIVE against whatever it is YOU have been led into:

http://www.piney.com/DocHesTheog.html

DON'T CLICK ON THE LINKS BELOW







We have to wonder why YOU are so BLIND as to not lead these False Teachers to the door?

Remember what I said about when the elders and preacher is no longer loyal and trustworthy. In a legal sense

THERE IS NO LAW OF GIVING.

If they have used psychological violence to steal your church from its ministers and vocational leaders the DON'T ENABLE them. If you enable a thief, you ARE a thiev.
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October 12th, 2007, 12:32 am #17

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.



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October 14th, 2007, 2:26 am #18

Christ in all of the prophets denied that any of the "worship" of the Civil-Military-Clergy state was commanded by God: He sent them strong delusions which does back to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. Here are a few more bits to add to a link below:

Isaiah 66

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.66.html

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?





Need I say more

the "Show" began Saturday Evening

Not worship but a show

On the overhead screen was a clock counting down the time until the show began. 5:00, 4:59, 4:58, 4:57, etc.

The lights were all out except the overhead screen counting the down the time. You could feel the excitement in the crowd as the clock ticked down because a "Show" was about to begin. The "rock "n" roll band" appeared when the clock was at 0:00 to thunderous applause.

Need I say more...What a joke...What in the world are they applauding?

They call this worship! I call it a show....

The Dancing and Clapping began...They were all so very proud of themselves.

I did not know if I should laugh at this display or cry.

Truly a sad day in the history of a once great Church of Christ!

But it is now gone and they should change their Name

The name on the marqee should come down immediately

Take name Church of Christ down! Do not mislead the public!

"Pastor Rick" and the so called elders are so proud of themselves. So get the name off that location. Since you are so proud of "your new found truths", call it

The Both/And Community Church

After more than 30 years as a member, that's an ender and I am out there!

I pray that God will bring peace to those members at RHCC
who have been hurt by the fall of this once great church.

And especially to our seniors who do not want to find another church home at this stage in their life. They just want
RHCC to be the Jesus driven church it once was. For them
who have cried, I am truly saddened.
People actually get degrees in Bible and submit themselves as "authoratiative teachers" or Pharisees without knowing even a little about the history of the Bible.

Almost always if people, like Abraham, walk in righteousness and justice God does not need religious rituals to feed, clothe, house and entertain Him. When people fall into evil--beginning with the Jubal clan who handled musical instruments without authority--and the Israelites rescued by pure grace from slavery fell back into musical idolatry, Moses wrote to condemn all forms of rituals which accepted the most pagan, patternistic idea that they had to aid the gods to keep them from failing or hurting them again. Thus, all rituals feed on induced fear by men who do not comprehend the grace that Jesus paid it all.

Here are some REAL scholarly comments who tell exactly what the Scriptures told and tell but are not remotely studied by pretenders to the throne of "set a king over us."

When people do not "sing that which is written" and "teach that which has been taught" they break the "genetic chain" and the Bible ceases to speak FROM God.



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June 25th, 2011, 11:03 pm #19

7 Myths about Church

First, the word CHURCH is a myth
Church is derived from Circe or Kirke who is the Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17.
She seduces people with music or magical encantations and has sex or "virutal sex" (hee haw)
She turned them into beastS [meaning a massed multitude]
She then feeds them "sermons" of hand-kneeded dung patty cakes
You will remember that Jesus CAST OUT the musical minstrels like dung.

Or, the word CHURCH is derived from kirkos or kuklos or circus.
This is the root of ORGANIZED religion with a dominant head who feeds you on lies
And controls your life and money and SOWS DISCORD.

Second, "worship service" is a myth.
The Levitical Warrior Musicians made NOISE to serve (hard bondage) the PRIESTS.
The Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness was to REST (sabbath), READ and REHEARSE the word
This was practiced by all Israelits other than the Civil-Military-Priestly Complex.
Rest outlaws "singing and noisy instrument" and "sending out ministers."
Paul's UNIQUE worship word meant to give heed to the Word "that which is written."
His word for assembly is SYNAGOGUE which never "had a praise service."
The direct command (as in school) was to speak WITH ONE MIND and ONE mouth
as the ONLY way to glorify God, educate, comfort with Scripture and keep the unity.

Third, preaching is a MYTH.
The preacher is not on the Spirit-given workers of the school.
Sermonizing was outlawed for the synagogue as in all of the NOT singing passages.
Preaching arose from MERCINARIES who knew how to fleee people:
Lucian of Samosata said just "spin the top and play the flute and fleece the
fat heads and simpletons." Still works for you, huh?

Fourth, SANGING is a myth: singing in the pagan sense came with the pagan priesthood
who discovered that the STATE paid them--about 400 years too late.

Fifth, sanging twilar paris and Fanny Crosby is a myth: will turn you into a blind woman
according to Lucifer called the "singing and harp playing prostitute."

Sixth, a STAFF INFECTION is a myth: Paul said of the MANY: "if they will not work
neither shall the eat." If YOU quit feeding them they will go to a shelter.

Seventh, The LAW of giving is both a myth and a big fat lie. Paul declared it NOT
a command. It was a ONE TIME offering for the DESTITUTE as an approved example.
Because Jesus PAID it all and give us the free water of the Word, we can INFER
that the INSTITUTE which steals from the DESTITUTE is a LYING WONDER.

There is NOT FORGIVENESS for lying TO God and ABOUT God.

God COMMANDS you to cease being a FLEECEE
You may have some valid points and obviously you've done a lot of thinking but frankly, from reading any of your posts on this site, I can't figure out what they are. Are you saying Church, singing, worship, everything else we do communally as Christians is unscriptural? What is all this quoting from revelations and relating it to what the church should and shouldn't be doing? Music in general is evil?

I spent 25 years at RHCC and agree with some teachings and not others, but at least I have some logical, scriptural, and personally relevant reasons for any disagreements.

I can't figure out what you are talking about. Cynical dogs and sorcerers and harlots? Do you have a rational opposition to the actions of Richland Hills Church of Christ you could put into plain English?
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June 26th, 2011, 12:39 am #20

Christ in spirit defined the Church of Christ in the wilderness: it was
INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rehearsing the Word of God.
EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing which includes an elevatef form of speech.

That never changed at any time. That is the meaning of ekklesia or synagogue. The synagogue which explained why both Jew and Gentile were so ready for the endo of the Sacrificial system and the REST is never defined other than:

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
....hath in every city
....them that preach him,
....being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

http://www.piney.com/Synagogue1.html

The role of the church is defined dozens of times. It is A School of the Word of God.

The synagogue was organized when God abandoned the Levi tribe to worship the starry host.
Rick does not know that God abandoned Israel to Babylonianism because he is too busy ritualizing and instituting that he has never grasped a single TRIP verse such as Acts 7. He is a product of once-Christian colleges which teach world theology and not the Bible. He was birthed a Christian Church type and conspired to DIVERT that congregation into a Christian Church. I don't believe that is redeemable.

Rick says that a spirit forced him to preach his sermon saying that God COMMANDS instrumental praise and WE must disobey. He says that and confesses that he and others has radically emptied people of the Word by working on the youth using music.

He does not know or ignores the Prophets where Christ said God did NOT command sacrifices, burnt offerings or anything conne4ctedwith the Monarchy.

Rick says something Christ denies: Christ in Jeremiah 23 defines that as blasphemy of the Spirit (of Christ).

The fact that Hezekiah performed a Plague stoppint animal slaugher and let the Levites make noise during the burning of the goats for Israel is a ONE TIME EVENT of the National Israel. Once does not make a pattern. The Godly people attended synagogue or church on the sabbaths while the Levites were PROFANING the sabbath.

There is not a command, example or inference: not a remote hint that anyone in the whole Bible assembled and engaged in congregational singing with or without instruments.

The historic church understood that and that is why singing as an ACT did not begin until imposed by an unwashed bishop after Constantine let pagan priests accept a salary from the state. There were no paid clergy before that. If singing as an ACT was imposed in the year 373 and SPLIT the east and west churches I think that is proof that they did NOT sing before before that.

I can be dogmatic: none of the Bible is metrical and cannot be sung in a tuneful sense. When you TEACH one another with Scripture you CANNOT sing any of it. Adults don't SING in Physics class.

Second, the Catholic church did not sing congregationally with organ accompaniment: they could not.

Third, the first protestants did not sing congregationally: they could not if their life dependedon it.

Fourth, after the Reformation the people were used to musical performances after the State confiscated the great cathedrals which had organs. They could not sing. Therefore, Calvin permitted some of the Psalms which were ratically RECOMPOSOED and set to meter. This was psalms only sung in unison only with just a few simple melodies.

The function of church to the campbells was as A school of Christ. Worship was READING and MUSING the Word of God (only).

Church is never defined as worship in the ritual sense: the only worship word is to GIVE HEED to the Word of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles. Even the Lords Supper is to teach or preach the Death of Christ. It has no other ACTS.

No one PLAYS harps in the book of Revelation: they HOLD the harps of God and never play them. Hold is defined as to "grasp mentally" and the harps of God in the classics are the organs of speech. Even if they did play harps in heaven, the Bible clearly defines the arena of CHURCH as a school of Christ.

We sing in the bathtub or at singings: we do NOT sing a human composition with a complex and now whiney praise tone while CLAIMING to be giving attention to Christ and HIS WORDS.

If you grasp that church is SCHOOL OF THE WORD OF GOD ONLY then you cannot even hallucinate making secular music or listening to and worshiping a praise team while CLAIMING to be giving attention to Christ and His Word.

Sorry bout that but recorded history, including the Bible, defines all religious music as effeminate or the cause of being effeminate. The Internet has a good time making fun of "worship leaders."


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