Quarantine the "Changers" to Save Our Children (by E. Claude Gardner)

Quarantine the "Changers" to Save Our Children (by E. Claude Gardner)

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October 12th, 2011, 6:02 am #1

The following article was published in February 1996 -- fifteen years ago -- in the middle of the decade during which the Madison congregation was "TUI" (Transforming Under the Influence):

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Quarantine the "Changers" to Save Our Children
By E. Claude Gardner



In this century the church has had to cope with several splinter movements. In the teens there was Bollism which blossomed into the struggle with premillennialism in the '30s. Then came Ketchersideism, which was extremely radical, but later swung to the very liberal view. Another heartache was the battle over support of orphan homes and church cooperation. For decades the church was thwarted by Sommerism, and there is still a residue in some quarters.

For the last 30 or 40 years, there has existed a strong undercurrent of liberalism. This is now a force which the church in the mainstream must face. It promotes fundamental changes in teaching and practice. Some of the most visible and articulate among us are in this scholarly and well-financed group.

"Changers" is an umbrella term to cover various and sundry ideas novel to the New Testament. Not everyone in the camp of the radical changers agrees totally, but there is agreement with the general thrust toward a liberal slant.

To identify the proponents and fellow travelers - preachers, teachers, church leaders, or members - what are some of the teachings flowing from their mouth or pew?
<ol>[*]Open fellowship with other religious bodies, especially the evangelicals;
</li>[*]Acceptance of the independent Christian Church;
</li>[*]Promoter of unity forums with the Christian Church;
</li>[*]Instrumental music is not sinful and is a non­issue;
</li>[*]Grace is a constant topic;
</li>[*]Exalting Christ but downplaying the church;
</li>[*]Gashing the church and finding little good about it and in contrast being complimentary of other religious groups;
</li>[*]Exhibiting cynicism;
</li>[*]Teaching that the church is a denomination and one part of the denominational framework;
</li>[*]Worship is to be changed to be more emotional in the Pentecostal denominational style;
</li>[*]Teaching obedience and commandments is legalism;
</li>[*]Women should have a leading role in the church;
</li>[*]Elders have no authority in a congregation;
</li>[*]Advocacy of the Holy Spirit empowering us in sensational ways apart from the Word of God;
</li>[*]After ignoring "doctrine" there may be major stress on social Issues;
</li>[*]Salvation is by faith and baptism is not essential for the forgiveness of sins;
</li>[*]The church is not the kingdom and we should pray for the kingdom to come;
</li>[*]Pattern theology is an abomination;
</li>[*]Tradition is bashed and change is touted;
</li>[*]The church needs to be restructured;
</li>[*]The restoration of New Testament Christianity is irrelevant and impossible;
</li>[*]Restoration of the church is not finished;
</li>[*]Using deductions based on Scripture cannot establish truth;
</li>[*]Silence of the Scriptures is not prohibitive;
</li>[*]Greatly enamored by radical youth workshops;
</li>[*]And as did Paul, I would add "and such like."
</li>[/list]When any person or a congregation espouses these beliefs or practices or some of them, it is evidence that the changers are there. When this happens, many heartaches and divisions will come.

The changers should be quarantined at once. This must be done to save our children, for the peace of the brethren, and for unity in the brotherhood. Radical change advocates will divide the brotherhood by the espousal of liberal theology.

We are at the stage where we should start the quarantine.

Advocates of this radical splinter group make the charge of polarization when objections are raised to their "changes."

As a disclaimer: those who hold to New Testament Christianity do not believe matters of opinion should be tests of fellowship. The issue is in changing and rejecting the basics of Bible teaching and substantive matters.

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Published February 1996


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Source: FirmFoundationPublishing.com/FF/Articles/ChangeAgents

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NOTE: This is now a list of numbered items for reference purposes.
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Fred Whaley
Fred Whaley

October 13th, 2011, 4:17 pm #2

Open fellowship with other religious bodies, especially the evangelicals; No in terms of "open" or active

Acceptance of the independent Christian Church; Yes we accept Christians from other traditions

Promoter of unity forums with the Christian Church; No

Instrumental music is not sinful and is a non­issue; Yes

Grace is a constant topic; Yes isn't this terrible

Exalting Christ but downplaying the church; No

Gashing the church and finding little good about it and in contrast being complimentary of other religious groups; No

Exhibiting cynicism; No

Teaching that the church is a denomination and one part of the denominational framework; The church is not, but the church of christ is

Worship is to be changed to be more emotional in the Pentecostal denominational style; Yes

Teaching obedience and commandments is legalism; No

Women should have a leading role in the church; Yes

Elders have no authority in a congregation; No

Advocacy of the Holy Spirit empowering us in sensational ways apart from the Word of God; No

After ignoring "doctrine" there may be major stress on social Issues; No

Salvation is by faith and baptism is not essential for the forgiveness of sins; No

The church is not the kingdom and we should pray for the kingdom to come; No

Pattern theology is an abomination; No

Tradition is bashed and change is touted; No

The church needs to be restructured; No

The restoration of New Testament Christianity is irrelevant and impossible; Depends on what is meant by restoration

Restoration of the church is not finished; Depends on what is meant by restoration

Using deductions based on Scripture cannot establish truth; No

Silence of the Scriptures is not prohibitive; Yes

Greatly enamored by radical youth workshops; No - not radical ones but go to Winterfest youth rally
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October 13th, 2011, 5:04 pm #3

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October 13th, 2011, 5:23 pm #4

When Jesus said that failure to give food or drink to the least of His Disciples, this is a MAJOR category of people who will go into hell. That is because they want the power but do not have the courage to fire the TEMPLE ROBBERS..




And You thought that you could SEDUCE the little ones with instrumental sounds--always defined as sorcery--instead of feeding them on the Word of Christ in the prophets and apostles and not get burned for lying, cheating and stealing from Jesus to the extent you do not feed His Body parts.

I love criminals: especially soul stealers. They cannot RESIST boasting, ha, ha, we sent YOUR chindren to WinderPest to perform witchcraft on them.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

October 13th, 2011, 9:22 pm #5

Open fellowship with other religious bodies, especially the evangelicals; No in terms of "open" or active

Acceptance of the independent Christian Church; Yes we accept Christians from other traditions

Promoter of unity forums with the Christian Church; No

Instrumental music is not sinful and is a non­issue; Yes

Grace is a constant topic; Yes isn't this terrible

Exalting Christ but downplaying the church; No

Gashing the church and finding little good about it and in contrast being complimentary of other religious groups; No

Exhibiting cynicism; No

Teaching that the church is a denomination and one part of the denominational framework; The church is not, but the church of christ is

Worship is to be changed to be more emotional in the Pentecostal denominational style; Yes

Teaching obedience and commandments is legalism; No

Women should have a leading role in the church; Yes

Elders have no authority in a congregation; No

Advocacy of the Holy Spirit empowering us in sensational ways apart from the Word of God; No

After ignoring "doctrine" there may be major stress on social Issues; No

Salvation is by faith and baptism is not essential for the forgiveness of sins; No

The church is not the kingdom and we should pray for the kingdom to come; No

Pattern theology is an abomination; No

Tradition is bashed and change is touted; No

The church needs to be restructured; No

The restoration of New Testament Christianity is irrelevant and impossible; Depends on what is meant by restoration

Restoration of the church is not finished; Depends on what is meant by restoration

Using deductions based on Scripture cannot establish truth; No

Silence of the Scriptures is not prohibitive; Yes

Greatly enamored by radical youth workshops; No - not radical ones but go to Winterfest youth rally
Because Fred answered "Yes" to statements that women should have leadership roles in the church, that IM is not sinful and is a nonissue, and that the church of Christ is a denomination, then Fred's church is part of the Change Movement and needs to be quarantined.

It's ironic that Fred answered "Yes" to those statements, yet he answered "No" to the statement that the "church" needs to be restructured. In the article, "church" and "church of Christ" are synonymous, because there is only ONE TRUE church, the church that Christ founded 2,000 years ago. Giving women leadership roles, having IM, and claiming that the church of Christ is just another denomination are three areas that the change agents are trying to "restructure" within the church. A number of the bogus churches (AKA denominations) already have women as pastors and elders; they already have IM; and they certainly believe that the church of Christ is just another denomination. So if Fred's church believes like the denominations do, then it wants to restructure the church and make it like all the denominations.

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Racnor
Racnor

October 13th, 2011, 10:59 pm #6

The following article was published in February 1996 -- fifteen years ago -- in the middle of the decade during which the Madison congregation was "TUI" (Transforming Under the Influence):

______________________________________
Quarantine the "Changers" to Save Our Children
By E. Claude Gardner



In this century the church has had to cope with several splinter movements. In the teens there was Bollism which blossomed into the struggle with premillennialism in the '30s. Then came Ketchersideism, which was extremely radical, but later swung to the very liberal view. Another heartache was the battle over support of orphan homes and church cooperation. For decades the church was thwarted by Sommerism, and there is still a residue in some quarters.

For the last 30 or 40 years, there has existed a strong undercurrent of liberalism. This is now a force which the church in the mainstream must face. It promotes fundamental changes in teaching and practice. Some of the most visible and articulate among us are in this scholarly and well-financed group.

"Changers" is an umbrella term to cover various and sundry ideas novel to the New Testament. Not everyone in the camp of the radical changers agrees totally, but there is agreement with the general thrust toward a liberal slant.

To identify the proponents and fellow travelers - preachers, teachers, church leaders, or members - what are some of the teachings flowing from their mouth or pew?
<ol>[*]Open fellowship with other religious bodies, especially the evangelicals;
</li>[*]Acceptance of the independent Christian Church;
</li>[*]Promoter of unity forums with the Christian Church;
</li>[*]Instrumental music is not sinful and is a non­issue;
</li>[*]Grace is a constant topic;
</li>[*]Exalting Christ but downplaying the church;
</li>[*]Gashing the church and finding little good about it and in contrast being complimentary of other religious groups;
</li>[*]Exhibiting cynicism;
</li>[*]Teaching that the church is a denomination and one part of the denominational framework;
</li>[*]Worship is to be changed to be more emotional in the Pentecostal denominational style;
</li>[*]Teaching obedience and commandments is legalism;
</li>[*]Women should have a leading role in the church;
</li>[*]Elders have no authority in a congregation;
</li>[*]Advocacy of the Holy Spirit empowering us in sensational ways apart from the Word of God;
</li>[*]After ignoring "doctrine" there may be major stress on social Issues;
</li>[*]Salvation is by faith and baptism is not essential for the forgiveness of sins;
</li>[*]The church is not the kingdom and we should pray for the kingdom to come;
</li>[*]Pattern theology is an abomination;
</li>[*]Tradition is bashed and change is touted;
</li>[*]The church needs to be restructured;
</li>[*]The restoration of New Testament Christianity is irrelevant and impossible;
</li>[*]Restoration of the church is not finished;
</li>[*]Using deductions based on Scripture cannot establish truth;
</li>[*]Silence of the Scriptures is not prohibitive;
</li>[*]Greatly enamored by radical youth workshops;
</li>[*]And as did Paul, I would add "and such like."
</li>[/list]When any person or a congregation espouses these beliefs or practices or some of them, it is evidence that the changers are there. When this happens, many heartaches and divisions will come.

The changers should be quarantined at once. This must be done to save our children, for the peace of the brethren, and for unity in the brotherhood. Radical change advocates will divide the brotherhood by the espousal of liberal theology.

We are at the stage where we should start the quarantine.

Advocates of this radical splinter group make the charge of polarization when objections are raised to their "changes."

As a disclaimer: those who hold to New Testament Christianity do not believe matters of opinion should be tests of fellowship. The issue is in changing and rejecting the basics of Bible teaching and substantive matters.

______________________________________

Published February 1996


______________________________________


Source: FirmFoundationPublishing.com/FF/Articles/ChangeAgents

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NOTE: This is now a list of numbered items for reference purposes.
Would it be more logical to quarantine the children and break open the 1950's church time capsule and tell the children these are the traditions you must live by?

Sounds to me that the 1950's was the sweet spot. Before and after are no good?
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Sonny
Sonny

October 14th, 2011, 4:35 am #7

In the 1950s women could not wear pants and blacks were not permitted entrance into our buildings. The good ole days of "the church" of Christ. I guess in the eyes of many "the church" was fully restored then.

When people ask me if the church is better or worse today, my answer is both. We are worse in some changes, like when a minister says, "What matters is not the facts of the bible, but what it means to you." I do not know of a more liberal statement.

However, we are much better in that we do not segregate, grace is actually preached, churches are more missional, et cetera.
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Racnor
Racnor

October 14th, 2011, 3:55 pm #8

Because Fred answered "Yes" to statements that women should have leadership roles in the church, that IM is not sinful and is a nonissue, and that the church of Christ is a denomination, then Fred's church is part of the Change Movement and needs to be quarantined.

It's ironic that Fred answered "Yes" to those statements, yet he answered "No" to the statement that the "church" needs to be restructured. In the article, "church" and "church of Christ" are synonymous, because there is only ONE TRUE church, the church that Christ founded 2,000 years ago. Giving women leadership roles, having IM, and claiming that the church of Christ is just another denomination are three areas that the change agents are trying to "restructure" within the church. A number of the bogus churches (AKA denominations) already have women as pastors and elders; they already have IM; and they certainly believe that the church of Christ is just another denomination. So if Fred's church believes like the denominations do, then it wants to restructure the church and make it like all the denominations.
Perhaps, it was an oversight but Dr. Crump did not address the "grace" issue.

Man, how do you have Church and not thank God for His grace? For me it is a daily priority to thank God for His grace.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

October 14th, 2011, 8:24 pm #9

Many believe that they are saved by "grace" alone and that's all--no repentance, no confession, no baptism, no obedience; all you have to do is "invite Jesus into your heart as your personal Savior" and BAM--you're "saved." That's what the original article meant by "grace" being a constant topic in the "changed" churches. True Christians believe that Christ imparts His grace of salvation unto us when we obey His commandments.
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Dave
Dave

October 14th, 2011, 8:31 pm #10

The following article was published in February 1996 -- fifteen years ago -- in the middle of the decade during which the Madison congregation was "TUI" (Transforming Under the Influence):

______________________________________
Quarantine the "Changers" to Save Our Children
By E. Claude Gardner



In this century the church has had to cope with several splinter movements. In the teens there was Bollism which blossomed into the struggle with premillennialism in the '30s. Then came Ketchersideism, which was extremely radical, but later swung to the very liberal view. Another heartache was the battle over support of orphan homes and church cooperation. For decades the church was thwarted by Sommerism, and there is still a residue in some quarters.

For the last 30 or 40 years, there has existed a strong undercurrent of liberalism. This is now a force which the church in the mainstream must face. It promotes fundamental changes in teaching and practice. Some of the most visible and articulate among us are in this scholarly and well-financed group.

"Changers" is an umbrella term to cover various and sundry ideas novel to the New Testament. Not everyone in the camp of the radical changers agrees totally, but there is agreement with the general thrust toward a liberal slant.

To identify the proponents and fellow travelers - preachers, teachers, church leaders, or members - what are some of the teachings flowing from their mouth or pew?
<ol>[*]Open fellowship with other religious bodies, especially the evangelicals;
</li>[*]Acceptance of the independent Christian Church;
</li>[*]Promoter of unity forums with the Christian Church;
</li>[*]Instrumental music is not sinful and is a non­issue;
</li>[*]Grace is a constant topic;
</li>[*]Exalting Christ but downplaying the church;
</li>[*]Gashing the church and finding little good about it and in contrast being complimentary of other religious groups;
</li>[*]Exhibiting cynicism;
</li>[*]Teaching that the church is a denomination and one part of the denominational framework;
</li>[*]Worship is to be changed to be more emotional in the Pentecostal denominational style;
</li>[*]Teaching obedience and commandments is legalism;
</li>[*]Women should have a leading role in the church;
</li>[*]Elders have no authority in a congregation;
</li>[*]Advocacy of the Holy Spirit empowering us in sensational ways apart from the Word of God;
</li>[*]After ignoring "doctrine" there may be major stress on social Issues;
</li>[*]Salvation is by faith and baptism is not essential for the forgiveness of sins;
</li>[*]The church is not the kingdom and we should pray for the kingdom to come;
</li>[*]Pattern theology is an abomination;
</li>[*]Tradition is bashed and change is touted;
</li>[*]The church needs to be restructured;
</li>[*]The restoration of New Testament Christianity is irrelevant and impossible;
</li>[*]Restoration of the church is not finished;
</li>[*]Using deductions based on Scripture cannot establish truth;
</li>[*]Silence of the Scriptures is not prohibitive;
</li>[*]Greatly enamored by radical youth workshops;
</li>[*]And as did Paul, I would add "and such like."
</li>[/list]When any person or a congregation espouses these beliefs or practices or some of them, it is evidence that the changers are there. When this happens, many heartaches and divisions will come.

The changers should be quarantined at once. This must be done to save our children, for the peace of the brethren, and for unity in the brotherhood. Radical change advocates will divide the brotherhood by the espousal of liberal theology.

We are at the stage where we should start the quarantine.

Advocates of this radical splinter group make the charge of polarization when objections are raised to their "changes."

As a disclaimer: those who hold to New Testament Christianity do not believe matters of opinion should be tests of fellowship. The issue is in changing and rejecting the basics of Bible teaching and substantive matters.

______________________________________

Published February 1996


______________________________________


Source: FirmFoundationPublishing.com/FF/Articles/ChangeAgents

================================

NOTE: This is now a list of numbered items for reference purposes.
William Crump said about Fred's church..."then Fred's church is part of the Change Movement and needs to be quarantined."

William, why don't you do the honors? You quarantine it. I am certain that they would listen to you just as, you believe in your mind, that may view this site and listen to you here. Well, I guess, if nothing else, you don't have to attend Fred's church.
Fred, are you ok with that?
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