Phil Barnes probably builds on Lynn Anderson at Oak Hills Church

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June 28th, 2012, 6:41 pm #1

Lynn Anderson was one of the first to gain fame and fortune and decided to mount an attack against churches of Christ. He has been instrumental in a Shepherding Movement which collects simple preachers and teaches them how to disband the male leadership and impose musical: lets' begin with a new style of "racing" singing then performance teams.

Lynn has collected the proof passages from NACC sources and the preachers and elders are not disciples and do not know that they lie about each and every mention of an instrument.

http://www.piney.com/Lynn.Anderson.Oak. ... hurch.html

As usual, this begins with an gradually rising promise not to do anything bad.

Phil Barnes affirms the elders authority to DECIDE on using or not using instruments. He says that they have wasted too much time allowing Satan who has WEAPONS keeping them from their task. We will show that all evidence points to Satan as the source and promoter of instruments which, then and now, are held to give off sacred sounds because they have the ability to stimulate all of the LADED BURDEN effects Jesus died to remove.

http://www.piney.com/Phil.Barnes.Madiso ... ments.html

http://www.piney.com/Buck.Dozier.Instru ... hrist.html

I will look first at Wayne Huddleston "proof passage" as one of several reviews of ALL of their scripture passages. No doubt, Buck Dozier is doing all of the thinking as he has from the first massive sowing of discord by adding the "Worship Teams" assuredly one of the vilest ideas since Jesus said that our WORSHIP is IN the place of our perfected spirit as OPPOSED to houses built by human hands.

I will add the JESUS VISION as time permits.
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June 30th, 2012, 1:45 am #2

Wayne Huddleston, one of the WE ALL AFFIRM Buck Dozier's plan quotes

2Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
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and is profitable
.....for doctrine,
.....for reproof,
.....for correction,
.....for instruction in righteousness:
2Tim. 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect,
.....throughly furnished unto all good works.


In the professional presentation it was Buck Dozer who affirmed their belief that instrumental music was just fine but (for now) instruments would be allowed in the youth group. However, the "Musical Worship Team" is a legalistic end run around the "no machines worshiping God." It is the MARK of the a cappellas or castrated team singing organum or in the style of the pipe organ which was the Pope's legalistic end- run against instruments in the Sistine Chapel where the official mass was held.

Amazingly, almost always when someone just picks a proof text for their discord it is clear that they have never read with understanding the STORY LINE Paul is developing

Paul had considerable trouble with women in performance or preside over (with a tune) because godly women would not flaunt their persona which intends to stimulate lust: in the Wimber, Vineyard movement "to create a sexual-like climatic experience with the spirit" which came just before "giving of substance." GIVE as part of the CAST CIRCLE not from God. Neither is the Show and Go as just "oh, by the way, as you go just speak for Jesus." Nonesense.

2 Tim 3: 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses,
.....and lead captive silly women laden with sins,
.....led away with divers lusts,
2 Tim 3: 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Tim 3: 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses,
.....so do these also resist the truth:
.....men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2 Tim 3: 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.


I believe their folly is like the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai: they make themselves into a laughing stock before the watching world.

If these are the "magicians" who represented all of the pagan "gods" in combat with Jehovah through Moses, their performance is often outlawed by Christ in the prophets.

incantto , nis, f. id., I. an enchanting, enchantment (post-class.): magicae, Firm. Math. 5, 5: incantationum vires,
mgc , s, f., = magik (sc. tekhn),
ma^gi^kos , II. magical, bibloi Ps.-Phoc.149; m. tekhn


I doubt that there are more than a tiny few who understand that Christ defined the inclusive and exclusive pattern for the synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness. He further defined His future REST which explains His church as a school of the Word: he outlaws "seeking your own pleasure" (cf Romans 15) or "speaking your own words. That repudiates the praise singers who make up quite silly and erotic songs seeking to be intimate with Jesus. Nevertheless, such DISCORDED churches are probably the promised WAY OF ESCAPE to any of the members who are disciples or christians.


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July 1st, 2012, 2:32 am #3

Bump for Phil Sanders affirmation of the right to choose instruments.
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July 1st, 2012, 5:00 pm #4

Lynn Anderson was one of the first to gain fame and fortune and decided to mount an attack against churches of Christ. He has been instrumental in a Shepherding Movement which collects simple preachers and teaches them how to disband the male leadership and impose musical: lets' begin with a new style of "racing" singing then performance teams.

Lynn has collected the proof passages from NACC sources and the preachers and elders are not disciples and do not know that they lie about each and every mention of an instrument.

http://www.piney.com/Lynn.Anderson.Oak. ... hurch.html

As usual, this begins with an gradually rising promise not to do anything bad.

Phil Barnes affirms the elders authority to DECIDE on using or not using instruments. He says that they have wasted too much time allowing Satan who has WEAPONS keeping them from their task. We will show that all evidence points to Satan as the source and promoter of instruments which, then and now, are held to give off sacred sounds because they have the ability to stimulate all of the LADED BURDEN effects Jesus died to remove.

http://www.piney.com/Phil.Barnes.Madiso ... ments.html

http://www.piney.com/Buck.Dozier.Instru ... hrist.html

I will look first at Wayne Huddleston "proof passage" as one of several reviews of ALL of their scripture passages. No doubt, Buck Dozier is doing all of the thinking as he has from the first massive sowing of discord by adding the "Worship Teams" assuredly one of the vilest ideas since Jesus said that our WORSHIP is IN the place of our perfected spirit as OPPOSED to houses built by human hands.

I will add the JESUS VISION as time permits.
Phil Barnes etal claim that Scripture does not oppose instruments, that not using instruments is just our tradition and that opposing Madison's Musical Move is the works of SATAN.

By rhetoric, singing and playing, Jesus would define them as Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites named in Ezekiel 33. No one can refute the notion that these hypocritic performances DO IN FACT silence the voice of Jesus who is with us to the end of the world: He is still in charge and music from mystery is defined as "making the lamb dumb before the slaughter." or "silencing the voice of the victim." Religious music has always been defined as "sacred violence" and the performers callled "parisites."

From the garden of Eden onward, religious music has been attributed to Satan or Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.

It is strange but prophetic that so many people can be taken captive in a "community" or commune so that they believe that the earth is flat. Jesus would call them WISE or Sophists meaning rhetoricians, singers, instrument players and actors. There is always a "mother" goddess figure pulling the strings.

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July 1st, 2012, 8:21 pm #5

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light" (1 Pet. 2:9). In this, Christians in general are spoken of as a royal priesthood; and this expression signifies equality among them as to rank.

....while the rulers of the whole world are officers and exercise authority, dominion, over the masses, or, as the Revised Version puts it, "lord it over them," it shall not be this way among his people. There shall be none in the church that have authority over others. The greater ones in the church are not to be officers over others, but to serve for others; not to exercise dominion over them. Hence among Christians, the greater the man, the greater the servant. The whole work of the church is a system of service and not a matter of official authority.

above two paragraphs from E.G. Sewell, 1898, The Gospel Advocate, p. 280.

The idea of equality is as old as the New Testament as repeated by E.G. Sewell. From Sewell and his contemporaries sprang a movement that was to become in the top 10 on the American Christian scene--hardly a fluke of history. The "tradition" was tried and proven "road-worthy" and inspired millions to have a great impact on our nation, as we think about it on this July 4th.

The agenda to set the course of the church in 2012, and capture and effectively mute the pulpit speaker, as a mere mouthpiece for the elders does indeed try to circumvent history but also the road-tested tradition that dates back to the traditional practices of the New Testament.

Too many times today, speakers arise to the position of affirming that "we will do anything that the scriptures do not forbid" all in the name of church growth, only to be backed into a corner, and eventually have to recant only a few weeks later, that singing will be "a capella." Does this mean "always" or just for "now"?
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July 1st, 2012, 8:48 pm #6

Phil Barnes etal claim that Scripture does not oppose instruments, that not using instruments is just our tradition and that opposing Madison's Musical Move is the works of SATAN.

By rhetoric, singing and playing, Jesus would define them as Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites named in Ezekiel 33. No one can refute the notion that these hypocritic performances DO IN FACT silence the voice of Jesus who is with us to the end of the world: He is still in charge and music from mystery is defined as "making the lamb dumb before the slaughter." or "silencing the voice of the victim." Religious music has always been defined as "sacred violence" and the performers callled "parisites."

From the garden of Eden onward, religious music has been attributed to Satan or Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.

It is strange but prophetic that so many people can be taken captive in a "community" or commune so that they believe that the earth is flat. Jesus would call them WISE or Sophists meaning rhetoricians, singers, instrument players and actors. There is always a "mother" goddess figure pulling the strings.

To say, "Scripture does not oppose instruments" is to ASSUME that God ALWAYS explicitly specifies what He forbids. Since the Scriptures also forbid us to alter God's commands from what He specifies therein, then it is wrong to add instrumental music when God specifies vocal music. The Scriptures need not be redundant and say, "Sing and make melody in your hearts but use no instruments." That God specifies vocal music AND STOPS THERE should be sufficient enough for those who wish to follow God's commands AS WRITTEN in the New Testament.

A Christian is best classified as a rogue if he resorts to the Scripture-does-not-oppose-this-or-that philosophy to justify worship practices that ALTER what the New Testament actually teaches. Such a rogue "Christian" is like a pharmacist who deliberately ignores doctors' prescriptions and ALTERS what is explicitly prescribed. Such a rogue pharmacist could harm or kill patients; he engages in criminal activity that is punishable with fines and/or imprisonment as well as having his license revoked. Society would not tolerate a rogue pharmacist; likewise, the Church should not tolerate rogue "Christians," who engage in spiritually criminal activity. Yet when rogue "Christians" elect to go beyond what the New Testament teaches, it is called a "vision from God" and hailed as "relevant change for the Church."
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July 1st, 2012, 9:01 pm #7

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light" (1 Pet. 2:9). In this, Christians in general are spoken of as a royal priesthood; and this expression signifies equality among them as to rank.

....while the rulers of the whole world are officers and exercise authority, dominion, over the masses, or, as the Revised Version puts it, "lord it over them," it shall not be this way among his people. There shall be none in the church that have authority over others. The greater ones in the church are not to be officers over others, but to serve for others; not to exercise dominion over them. Hence among Christians, the greater the man, the greater the servant. The whole work of the church is a system of service and not a matter of official authority.

above two paragraphs from E.G. Sewell, 1898, The Gospel Advocate, p. 280.

The idea of equality is as old as the New Testament as repeated by E.G. Sewell. From Sewell and his contemporaries sprang a movement that was to become in the top 10 on the American Christian scene--hardly a fluke of history. The "tradition" was tried and proven "road-worthy" and inspired millions to have a great impact on our nation, as we think about it on this July 4th.

The agenda to set the course of the church in 2012, and capture and effectively mute the pulpit speaker, as a mere mouthpiece for the elders does indeed try to circumvent history but also the road-tested tradition that dates back to the traditional practices of the New Testament.

Too many times today, speakers arise to the position of affirming that "we will do anything that the scriptures do not forbid" all in the name of church growth, only to be backed into a corner, and eventually have to recant only a few weeks later, that singing will be "a capella." Does this mean "always" or just for "now"?
Phaedrus. The Mountain in Labor

The Mountain labor'd, groaning loud,
On which a num'rous gaping crowd
Of noodles came to see the sight,
When, lo ! a mouse was brought to light!
This tale 's for men of swagg'ring cast,
Whose threats, voluminous and vast,
With all their verse and all their prose,
Can make but little on 't, God knows.
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July 1st, 2012, 9:06 pm #8

Phil Barnes etal claim that Scripture does not oppose instruments, that not using instruments is just our tradition and that opposing Madison's Musical Move is the works of SATAN.

By rhetoric, singing and playing, Jesus would define them as Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites named in Ezekiel 33. No one can refute the notion that these hypocritic performances DO IN FACT silence the voice of Jesus who is with us to the end of the world: He is still in charge and music from mystery is defined as "making the lamb dumb before the slaughter." or "silencing the voice of the victim." Religious music has always been defined as "sacred violence" and the performers callled "parisites."

From the garden of Eden onward, religious music has been attributed to Satan or Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.

It is strange but prophetic that so many people can be taken captive in a "community" or commune so that they believe that the earth is flat. Jesus would call them WISE or Sophists meaning rhetoricians, singers, instrument players and actors. There is always a "mother" goddess figure pulling the strings.

To this Madison church elder or elders I would ask:

- Where does Gods word give authority to add to or take away from his specifications?

- Are you functioning as a secular board of directors or shepherds of the flock?

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July 1st, 2012, 9:16 pm #9

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light" (1 Pet. 2:9). In this, Christians in general are spoken of as a royal priesthood; and this expression signifies equality among them as to rank.

....while the rulers of the whole world are officers and exercise authority, dominion, over the masses, or, as the Revised Version puts it, "lord it over them," it shall not be this way among his people. There shall be none in the church that have authority over others. The greater ones in the church are not to be officers over others, but to serve for others; not to exercise dominion over them. Hence among Christians, the greater the man, the greater the servant. The whole work of the church is a system of service and not a matter of official authority.

above two paragraphs from E.G. Sewell, 1898, The Gospel Advocate, p. 280.

The idea of equality is as old as the New Testament as repeated by E.G. Sewell. From Sewell and his contemporaries sprang a movement that was to become in the top 10 on the American Christian scene--hardly a fluke of history. The "tradition" was tried and proven "road-worthy" and inspired millions to have a great impact on our nation, as we think about it on this July 4th.

The agenda to set the course of the church in 2012, and capture and effectively mute the pulpit speaker, as a mere mouthpiece for the elders does indeed try to circumvent history but also the road-tested tradition that dates back to the traditional practices of the New Testament.

Too many times today, speakers arise to the position of affirming that "we will do anything that the scriptures do not forbid" all in the name of church growth, only to be backed into a corner, and eventually have to recant only a few weeks later, that singing will be "a capella." Does this mean "always" or just for "now"?
A preacher has one weapon and does not have to sell his soul. If he just preached the Word as it has been taught he would fortify people to look for Biblical authority and would make himself immune from jiffy-quick firing by elders more APT to chase a coon as APT to the the Word as it is laid down to make life safe and easy.

I suspect that lots of preachers have really been converted to the post-modern, post-Biblical view that the Scriptures had no lasting authority and must be amended when culture changes. Isn't tha old Culture always changing?
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July 1st, 2012, 11:17 pm #10

To this Madison church elder or elders I would ask:

- Where does Gods word give authority to add to or take away from his specifications?

- Are you functioning as a secular board of directors or shepherds of the flock?

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As the gentleman said for the contribution this morning. The church has enough money to pay for all its benevolent needs. It's in the members' pockets.

This is your power against entrenched interests and power. You have the power of contribution.

You have the power of teaching, and various participation.

You have the power of history, and family lineage.

Jesus said that by believing, all things can be accomplished. "Ask and it will be given you, seek, and you shall find."

You can gather, but will gather less if you are forced to worship a certain way.

You can grow, if you are fed a spiritual diet and not just a series of programs.

You can give, if you are in agreement with the vision, and are treated as a "chosen people", a "royal priesthood."

You can go, if you are included in unity with those who propose to lead the church.

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