Phil Barnes probably builds on Lynn Anderson at Oak Hills Church

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July 1st, 2012, 11:29 pm #11

Lynn Anderson was one of the first to gain fame and fortune and decided to mount an attack against churches of Christ. He has been instrumental in a Shepherding Movement which collects simple preachers and teaches them how to disband the male leadership and impose musical: lets' begin with a new style of "racing" singing then performance teams.

Lynn has collected the proof passages from NACC sources and the preachers and elders are not disciples and do not know that they lie about each and every mention of an instrument.

http://www.piney.com/Lynn.Anderson.Oak. ... hurch.html

As usual, this begins with an gradually rising promise not to do anything bad.

Phil Barnes affirms the elders authority to DECIDE on using or not using instruments. He says that they have wasted too much time allowing Satan who has WEAPONS keeping them from their task. We will show that all evidence points to Satan as the source and promoter of instruments which, then and now, are held to give off sacred sounds because they have the ability to stimulate all of the LADED BURDEN effects Jesus died to remove.

http://www.piney.com/Phil.Barnes.Madiso ... ments.html

http://www.piney.com/Buck.Dozier.Instru ... hrist.html

I will look first at Wayne Huddleston "proof passage" as one of several reviews of ALL of their scripture passages. No doubt, Buck Dozier is doing all of the thinking as he has from the first massive sowing of discord by adding the "Worship Teams" assuredly one of the vilest ideas since Jesus said that our WORSHIP is IN the place of our perfected spirit as OPPOSED to houses built by human hands.

I will add the JESUS VISION as time permits.

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July 2nd, 2012, 12:00 am #12

There is no Scriptural authority or hint that people gave money into the collection plate on the first day of the week. They laid by HIM or Peter saves up a growing sum BY Peter. When the delegates arrive the money would be brought in with no hint that it was confiscated by the local elders. Paul wanted it all finished before he came because his presence would be an extorting influence. That repudiates the newly CAST VISION to give money so they can Grow. In 2 Corinthians 8-9 Paul denies that it was a command. Churches of Christ have always operated on the free will principle and elders never thought that they had the freedom to take from the poor and give it to some other person's "program."

That means that any stress or special pleading for "musicians" or "minister of audio" or a "mistress of makeup" is proven to be extortion.

The modern elder lays claim to the food money of widows and hard working honest people. Then when the money is in their hands they deny that the giver has any say in how it is to be spent. They can crawl off into a corner and claim the right to DECIDE that "we will remain a cappella" proving their authority to change their minds (?).

There is no recorded history of anyone believing that "lay by him" meant to lay by into the hands of the elder. History notes that -- contrary to proportional giving -- those who had prospered on that first day of the week as the first work day MIGHT if they wish give to the poor but denied any compulsion. Jesus paid the temple tax and said that sons of a king do not pay taxes. He did not command anything like an ACT called YOU give ME your money or you will be in danger. That was the claim of the first division at Madison where they promised you a blessing if you tithed and warned you against something bad if you did not tithe. They have lost connection with the Head and need to turn the property over to some godly leaders.

"If there is a poor man with you, one of your brothers, in any of your towns in your land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand from your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and shall generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks" (Deut. 15:7, 8-11).

H5670 abat aw-bat' A primitive root; to pawn; causatively to lend (on security); figuratively to entangle: borrow, break [ranks], fetch [a pledge], lend, X surely.


"Concerning budgets--it is now a mark of the identity of a scriptural church to have or not to have certain benevolent programs and missionary projects in the budget; but the time was when churches had no such problems, for there were no budgets. The apportionment of the contributions into a pre-arranged budget is comparatively new, and it met with opposition for the early writers of both the Gospel Advocate and the Firm Foundation, perhaps for the foreseen reason of what is happening now--an an issue develops on what may or may not be scripturally included in the budget, and the budget becomes a sacramental thing, the depository for the 'Lord's Money.'" (Foy E. Wallace, Jr., The Gospel for Today, p 552)

Alfred Edershiem notes of one of the tithes:
Thus 'no man might go on the Temple Mount with his staff,' as if on business or pleasure;
nor yet 'with shoes on his feet'--sandals only being allowed;
nor 'with the dust upon his feet';
nor 'with his scrip,' nor 'with money tied to him in his purse.'

Whatever he might wish to contribute either to the Temple, or for offerings, or for the poor must be carried by each 'in his hand,' possibly to indicate that the money about him was exclusively for an immediate sacred purpose.

It was probably for similar reasons that Jesus transferred these very ordinances to the disciples when engaged in the service of the real Temple. The direction, 'Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves,' must mean, Go out in the same spirit and manner as you would to the Temple services, and fear not--'for the workman is worthy of his meat' (Matthew 10:9,10). In other words: Let this new Temple service be your only thought, undertaking and care.

<font color="#0000FF">Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by HIM in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2

For of a truth it has been said on these matters, let thy almsgiving abide in thy hands until thou knowest to whom thou hast given. Didache 1:6
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July 2nd, 2012, 12:27 am #13

A preacher has one weapon and does not have to sell his soul. If he just preached the Word as it has been taught he would fortify people to look for Biblical authority and would make himself immune from jiffy-quick firing by elders more APT to chase a coon as APT to the the Word as it is laid down to make life safe and easy.

I suspect that lots of preachers have really been converted to the post-modern, post-Biblical view that the Scriptures had no lasting authority and must be amended when culture changes. Isn't tha old Culture always changing?
The New Testament says nothing to the effect that Scripture has no lasting authority, that Scripture is driven by the current culture and should be changed to reflect cultural trends. Only man in his desire to satisfy his culture-driven appetites would want a culture-driven "Christianity" that does not even begin to resemble the Christianity that Christ taught in the first century. Only rogue "Christians" would ignore God's neither-add-to-nor-take-from-Scripture command. Only rogue "Christians" would insist that the commands of Deut. 4:2 and Rev. 22:18-19 apply ONLY to those respective books, implying that man can change the rest of the Bible at will.
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July 2nd, 2012, 1:51 am #14

There is no Scriptural authority or hint that people gave money into the collection plate on the first day of the week. They laid by HIM or Peter saves up a growing sum BY Peter. When the delegates arrive the money would be brought in with no hint that it was confiscated by the local elders. Paul wanted it all finished before he came because his presence would be an extorting influence. That repudiates the newly CAST VISION to give money so they can Grow. In 2 Corinthians 8-9 Paul denies that it was a command. Churches of Christ have always operated on the free will principle and elders never thought that they had the freedom to take from the poor and give it to some other person's "program."

That means that any stress or special pleading for "musicians" or "minister of audio" or a "mistress of makeup" is proven to be extortion.

The modern elder lays claim to the food money of widows and hard working honest people. Then when the money is in their hands they deny that the giver has any say in how it is to be spent. They can crawl off into a corner and claim the right to DECIDE that "we will remain a cappella" proving their authority to change their minds (?).

There is no recorded history of anyone believing that "lay by him" meant to lay by into the hands of the elder. History notes that -- contrary to proportional giving -- those who had prospered on that first day of the week as the first work day MIGHT if they wish give to the poor but denied any compulsion. Jesus paid the temple tax and said that sons of a king do not pay taxes. He did not command anything like an ACT called YOU give ME your money or you will be in danger. That was the claim of the first division at Madison where they promised you a blessing if you tithed and warned you against something bad if you did not tithe. They have lost connection with the Head and need to turn the property over to some godly leaders.

"If there is a poor man with you, one of your brothers, in any of your towns in your land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand from your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and shall generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks" (Deut. 15:7, 8-11).

H5670 abat aw-bat' A primitive root; to pawn; causatively to lend (on security); figuratively to entangle: borrow, break [ranks], fetch [a pledge], lend, X surely.


"Concerning budgets--it is now a mark of the identity of a scriptural church to have or not to have certain benevolent programs and missionary projects in the budget; but the time was when churches had no such problems, for there were no budgets. The apportionment of the contributions into a pre-arranged budget is comparatively new, and it met with opposition for the early writers of both the Gospel Advocate and the Firm Foundation, perhaps for the foreseen reason of what is happening now--an an issue develops on what may or may not be scripturally included in the budget, and the budget becomes a sacramental thing, the depository for the 'Lord's Money.'" (Foy E. Wallace, Jr., The Gospel for Today, p 552)

Alfred Edershiem notes of one of the tithes:
Thus 'no man might go on the Temple Mount with his staff,' as if on business or pleasure;
nor yet 'with shoes on his feet'--sandals only being allowed;
nor 'with the dust upon his feet';
nor 'with his scrip,' nor 'with money tied to him in his purse.'

Whatever he might wish to contribute either to the Temple, or for offerings, or for the poor must be carried by each 'in his hand,' possibly to indicate that the money about him was exclusively for an immediate sacred purpose.

It was probably for similar reasons that Jesus transferred these very ordinances to the disciples when engaged in the service of the real Temple. The direction, 'Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves,' must mean, Go out in the same spirit and manner as you would to the Temple services, and fear not--'for the workman is worthy of his meat' (Matthew 10:9,10). In other words: Let this new Temple service be your only thought, undertaking and care.

<font color="#0000FF">Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by HIM in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2

For of a truth it has been said on these matters, let thy almsgiving abide in thy hands until thou knowest to whom thou hast given. Didache 1:6
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For knowing Phaedrus, the Didache of The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, and remembering Foy E Wallace.

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July 2nd, 2012, 2:19 am #15

I am a spotty collector from clay tablets to the latest false teachers. My collection is pretty well focused on religions down through history which I think the Bible often points to.

I have lots of church fathers none of which (contrary to the claims) approved of musical instruments even "out of church" for the most part. And most who address the issue are scholars and denounce the pagan worship from the beginning of recorded history. Here is a very neglected classical index

http://www.piney.com/ClassicalIndex.html

Anyone who pretends to be a teacher with authority who has not spent lots of time with these documents simply cannot understand the Bible. Men like Paul and even lesser scholars would probably have gotten lots of classical education by attending the theaters.

God understood that and demanded that we speak that which is written for our learning: we are all always learning but when an elder or preacher steps out of that bracket they are dangerous to themselves and those who trust them.

An Elder at Madison is key lecturer discussing "contemporary issues." I can't express the horrors of men who do not love the Word and therefore are delusional and perform lying wonders. We all wish we could have lived when things of "Biblical proportion" took place: I think we are getting our wish and every individual will have to decide what they will do with Jesus. It's an ugly band of men who are stalking the church.
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July 2nd, 2012, 11:17 pm #16

Bump for Lynn Anderson's twisting of Scripture which has led many into building on sand:

http://www.piney.com/Lynn.Anderson.Oak. ... hurch.html
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July 13th, 2012, 6:14 pm #17

How would you respond to the statement "Instrumental music is not a salvation issue"? How would one analyze that statement?
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July 13th, 2012, 7:21 pm #18

First, you would suggest that anyone who could make such a statement puts themselves above God, almost universal history and gives themselves authority to deliberately sow discord: that is a terminal salvation issue. Music is derived from mystery which meant "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." The Jews were prophesied to do and did MOCK Jesus up to the foot of the old rugged cross: and He opened not His mouth when under attack. Religious music was and is identified the mark of the effeminate and called "Sacred Violence."

God said in Amos that He HATES the women-driven (always) wine, women and music INSIDE of the Samaritan Temple. He said that their songs in their temple would be turned into howling. He warned about the "baskets of summer fruits" which identified the male-dominated-by-female perverted rituals. This was the SIGN according to God that:

Amos 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass [deliver] by them any more.

Amos 8:3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.


That means that God will not pass through that land for ever more. In Revelation 18 the singers and players were called sorcerers and that marked God removing the LAMPS or seven spirits of Divine knowledge (Isaiah 11). There were many symptoms but using Davids warfare and soothsaying instruments to PREVENT the godly people from coming near or into any holy thing or place, were used as part of their Musical Worship Team impelled by the COWS OF BASHAN.

Amos 5:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live:
Amos 5:5 But seek not Bethel, nor enter into Gilgal, and pass not to Beer-sheba: for Gilgal shall surely go into captivity, and Bethel shall come to nought.
Amos 5:6 Seek the LORD, and ye shall live; lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and devour it, and there be none to quench it in Bethel.


When Israel rose up in PLAY this was the musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity: Osiris, Isis and Horus under the symbol of the real bull calves worshipped in Egypt and still to be seen imbalmed. This was PROFANING the REST day which outlawed such activities which was the mark and cause of homosexual worship (Romans1). This WAS a salvation issue because it OUTED the spiritual nature of people sentenced to captivity and death: God gave them kings (senior pastors) in His anger to carry out this sentence. The demise of elders and deacons with men so intimidating that they can take a whole church captivity might be God's ABANDONMENT: In Isaiah 30 Revelation 18 that was the exact meaning. THE SOUNDS in Isaiah and Revelation were called sorcery and the people were to be "cast alive into the lake of fire."

God said that He HATES those who sow discord: that is a sin beyond redemption especially for those who ALLOW for driving away up to half of the owner. David invented the use of so-called musical instruments to be used to threaten the enemy in war and to threaten the godly people during the not-commanded animal slaughter and burning: The Spirit OF Christ says that God did not command sacrifices or burnt offerings: they were imposed when God turned them over to worship the starry host: clue in Acts 7.

The Church in the wilderness EXCLUDED any loud vocal or instrumental rejoicing including elevated forms of rhetoric: that is because the Qahal, Synagogue or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness. No one until the "synagogues of Satan" and the Jews in Germany in 1815 ever violated that direct command.

Based on the compulsion to lie about all of the "instrument" proof texts and all recorded history, the evidence would suggest that the outbreak of boylings doing praise songs (assisting God) was proof of the strong delusions identified by lying wonders.

Teratourg-eô, A. WORK wonders, pseudôsti Sch.Pi.I.7(6).13. The-ama , sight, spectacle, sight which gives pleasure,orchêseis kai theamata

X.Smp.2.2 Xenophon, Symposium II. When the tables had been removed and the guests had poured a libation and sung a hymn, there entered a man from Syracuse, to give them an evening's merriment. He had with him a fine flute-girl, a dancing-girl--one of those skilled in acrobatic tricks,--and a very handsome boy, who was expert at playing the cither and at dancing; the Syracusan made money by exhibiting their performances as a spectacle.


Thema is OPPOSITE to Learning.

Math-êma , atos, to, ( [mathein] )
A. that which is learnt, lesson 2. learning, knowledge


I HAVE COLLECTED SOME OF THE PENALTY STATEMENTS BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO SPOKE THROUGH THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES AND NEVER THROUGH KINGS, PRIESTS OR LEVITICAL WARRIOR MUSICIANS WHOSE PROPHESYING WAS CALLED SOOTHSAYING
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July 13th, 2012, 9:49 pm #19

There are several falls from grace facilitated by what Christ called Lucifer as "the singing and harp playing prostitute." He-she-it was in the garden of Eden as the serpent: the nachash is a musical enchanter(ess) which word is connected to "brass" or "bell metal." The discovery of how to make brace and its musical sounds was especially powerful upon superstitious people then and now. God manipulators always fooled the masses by claiming that the lifeless instruments WERE the image of a god or the HOUSE of a god. Africans baptized their musical instruments and stored them in sacred spaces (as in Jerusalem). The Catholics baptized bells and later pipe organs.

The musical fall from grace was probably induced by women such as Miriam (a prophesier or soothsayer) and the Levite Jacob had cursed and warned against (Genesis 49): don't attend their assemblies: don't enter into a covenant with them. Because the Levites volunteered to execute 3000 of the "brethren" God's ONLY command was that they "stand in ranks" outside of the Tabernacle and later temple to make a sound to WARN people that if they came near (because of the fall) they too would be executed.

This story is told over and over but apparently not in any of the schools of Theology (aka Phrenology) for which they rob you blind. The penalty is stated over and over and I have collected a few: If they hallucinate that being ABANDONED to worship the starry host (instead of their creator) and sentenced to captivity and death is NOT A Salvation Issue then we all know that they are ordained to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." It certainly works if you ask me.


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July 14th, 2012, 6:12 pm #20

First, you would suggest that anyone who could make such a statement puts themselves above God, almost universal history and gives themselves authority to deliberately sow discord: that is a terminal salvation issue. Music is derived from mystery which meant "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." The Jews were prophesied to do and did MOCK Jesus up to the foot of the old rugged cross: and He opened not His mouth when under attack. Religious music was and is identified the mark of the effeminate and called "Sacred Violence."

God said in Amos that He HATES the women-driven (always) wine, women and music INSIDE of the Samaritan Temple. He said that their songs in their temple would be turned into howling. He warned about the "baskets of summer fruits" which identified the male-dominated-by-female perverted rituals. This was the SIGN according to God that:

Amos 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass [deliver] by them any more.

Amos 8:3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.


That means that God will not pass through that land for ever more. In Revelation 18 the singers and players were called sorcerers and that marked God removing the LAMPS or seven spirits of Divine knowledge (Isaiah 11). There were many symptoms but using Davids warfare and soothsaying instruments to PREVENT the godly people from coming near or into any holy thing or place, were used as part of their Musical Worship Team impelled by the COWS OF BASHAN.

Amos 5:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live:
Amos 5:5 But seek not Bethel, nor enter into Gilgal, and pass not to Beer-sheba: for Gilgal shall surely go into captivity, and Bethel shall come to nought.
Amos 5:6 Seek the LORD, and ye shall live; lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and devour it, and there be none to quench it in Bethel.


When Israel rose up in PLAY this was the musical idolatry of the Egyptian trinity: Osiris, Isis and Horus under the symbol of the real bull calves worshipped in Egypt and still to be seen imbalmed. This was PROFANING the REST day which outlawed such activities which was the mark and cause of homosexual worship (Romans1). This WAS a salvation issue because it OUTED the spiritual nature of people sentenced to captivity and death: God gave them kings (senior pastors) in His anger to carry out this sentence. The demise of elders and deacons with men so intimidating that they can take a whole church captivity might be God's ABANDONMENT: In Isaiah 30 Revelation 18 that was the exact meaning. THE SOUNDS in Isaiah and Revelation were called sorcery and the people were to be "cast alive into the lake of fire."

God said that He HATES those who sow discord: that is a sin beyond redemption especially for those who ALLOW for driving away up to half of the owner. David invented the use of so-called musical instruments to be used to threaten the enemy in war and to threaten the godly people during the not-commanded animal slaughter and burning: The Spirit OF Christ says that God did not command sacrifices or burnt offerings: they were imposed when God turned them over to worship the starry host: clue in Acts 7.

The Church in the wilderness EXCLUDED any loud vocal or instrumental rejoicing including elevated forms of rhetoric: that is because the Qahal, Synagogue or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness. No one until the "synagogues of Satan" and the Jews in Germany in 1815 ever violated that direct command.

Based on the compulsion to lie about all of the "instrument" proof texts and all recorded history, the evidence would suggest that the outbreak of boylings doing praise songs (assisting God) was proof of the strong delusions identified by lying wonders.

Teratourg-eô, A. WORK wonders, pseudôsti Sch.Pi.I.7(6).13. The-ama , sight, spectacle, sight which gives pleasure,orchêseis kai theamata

X.Smp.2.2 Xenophon, Symposium II. When the tables had been removed and the guests had poured a libation and sung a hymn, there entered a man from Syracuse, to give them an evening's merriment. He had with him a fine flute-girl, a dancing-girl--one of those skilled in acrobatic tricks,--and a very handsome boy, who was expert at playing the cither and at dancing; the Syracusan made money by exhibiting their performances as a spectacle.


Thema is OPPOSITE to Learning.

Math-êma , atos, to, ( [mathein] )
A. that which is learnt, lesson 2. learning, knowledge


I HAVE COLLECTED SOME OF THE PENALTY STATEMENTS BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO SPOKE THROUGH THE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES AND NEVER THROUGH KINGS, PRIESTS OR LEVITICAL WARRIOR MUSICIANS WHOSE PROPHESYING WAS CALLED SOOTHSAYING
"The Church in the wilderness EXCLUDED any loud vocal or instrumental rejoicing including elevated forms of rhetoric: that is because the Qahal, Synagogue or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness."

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Bump for Ken Sublett to AFFIRM vocal and instrumental music is a "salvation issue".
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