Paul's letters on every tree!!!

Paul's letters on every tree!!!

Jimmy Wren
Jimmy Wren

June 28th, 2011, 3:39 pm #1

This question was asked and incorrectly answered on another thread...

Question: "When Paul counseled the churches and "warned" them, did he post the letter on every tree to get everyone's attention, including those outside the brotherhood? Did he send the letter just to the congregation? Yes!" (see other thread for complete comment)

One would be on slippery ground debating the use of trees but Paul's writings were known and read both in ALL the churches as well as outside the churches. Even the other apostles read Paul's letters.

The reading of Paul's letters caused one apostle to remark "...our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures..." 2 Peter 3:15-16, KJV

The reader will note that Peter says that Paul "hath written unto you" yet Peter is very much aware of the content and subject matter in ALL of Paul's writings!
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Dave
Dave

June 28th, 2011, 5:45 pm #2

Jimmy, when you have the time, can you prove your statement of "Paul's writings were known and read both in ALL the churches as well as outside the churches."

Why and how would his writings be know to those outside the church?
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Jimmy Wren
Jimmy Wren

June 29th, 2011, 9:03 pm #3

"...they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures unto their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16, KJV

This passage should show you a dividing line as to those in the church and those outside the church. Those outside the church do have the Scriptures but they misuse the Scriptures.

The following verse warns those in the church of the danger of falling if they should follow the teachings of those who misued the Scriptures that they have. We read "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness." 2 Peter 3:17

Pay close attention to the phrase "being led away with the error of the wicked."
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Dave as to ALL the churchse you'll have to take Peter's word for it. Peter states "...in ALL his epistles..." Paul tells us that the care of ALL the churches come upon him daily.

"Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches." 2 Cor 11:28, KJV
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Dave
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June 30th, 2011, 3:51 am #4

This question was asked and incorrectly answered on another thread...

Question: "When Paul counseled the churches and "warned" them, did he post the letter on every tree to get everyone's attention, including those outside the brotherhood? Did he send the letter just to the congregation? Yes!" (see other thread for complete comment)

One would be on slippery ground debating the use of trees but Paul's writings were known and read both in ALL the churches as well as outside the churches. Even the other apostles read Paul's letters.

The reading of Paul's letters caused one apostle to remark "...our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures..." 2 Peter 3:15-16, KJV

The reader will note that Peter says that Paul "hath written unto you" yet Peter is very much aware of the content and subject matter in ALL of Paul's writings!
Jimmy, if the brethren was having trouble understanding Paul's words, then you know that those outside the brotherhood would. Peter is making a point here. The letters from Paul were written and read by whom? THE BRETHREN!!!
How about the Eunuch who, in Acts 8 read Isaiah
Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. Do you understand what you are reading? Philip asked.
32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading:

He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,
and as a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
33 In his humiliation he was deprived of justice.
Who can speak of his descendants?
For his life was taken from the earth.

34 The eunuch asked Philip, Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else? 35 Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.

Jimmy, we can understand him reading Isaiah, but not the letters from Paul to the churches. These letters to the churches, of rebukes and exhortations, weren't available, as was the Old Testament readings. Even the Old Testament readings weren't exactly for the masses. Reading was for the learned and afluent, as were the scrolls and parchments for which they could read.


2 Peter 3
"...even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you."

Who is Peter referring to when he ends the sentence with "you?"

THE BRETHREN!!!
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Jimmy Wren
Jimmy Wren

June 30th, 2011, 8:29 pm #5

Dave are you calling those "being led away with the error of the wicked" brethren?

I would agree that they were brethren before being "led away," but not after.
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Dave
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July 1st, 2011, 12:20 pm #6

This question was asked and incorrectly answered on another thread...

Question: "When Paul counseled the churches and "warned" them, did he post the letter on every tree to get everyone's attention, including those outside the brotherhood? Did he send the letter just to the congregation? Yes!" (see other thread for complete comment)

One would be on slippery ground debating the use of trees but Paul's writings were known and read both in ALL the churches as well as outside the churches. Even the other apostles read Paul's letters.

The reading of Paul's letters caused one apostle to remark "...our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures..." 2 Peter 3:15-16, KJV

The reader will note that Peter says that Paul "hath written unto you" yet Peter is very much aware of the content and subject matter in ALL of Paul's writings!
Did Paul author any of the Old Testament writings? What was the Eunuch reading from? The Old Testament. The epistles for the church, from Paul, were personal matters for THE CHURCH to deal with, not those outside of the congregation.
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Jimmy Wren
Jimmy Wren

July 1st, 2011, 12:37 pm #7

Dave are you calling those "being led away with the error of the wicked" brethren?

I would agree that they were brethren before being "led away," but not after.
1.) It is clear that Paul's writings, which come roughly from the period A.D. 50 A.D. - 65 A.D., had already begun to circulate rather widely. 2 Peter 3:16 refers to "all his letters."

2.) Paul's letters had already attained quite a measure of authority. The reference to "the other Scriptures" certainly indicates that the writings of Christ's apostle to the Gentiles are seen as an extension of the authoritative Word.

3.) Third, Peter's reference to "hard sayings" in Paul's letters shows that, as early as sometime in the second half of the first century, Christians in the churches had a difficult time accepting or understanding or properly applying certain of Paul's sayings.

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July 1st, 2011, 4:59 pm #8

Jimmy, if the brethren was having trouble understanding Paul's words, then you know that those outside the brotherhood would. Peter is making a point here. The letters from Paul were written and read by whom? THE BRETHREN!!!
How about the Eunuch who, in Acts 8 read Isaiah
Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. Do you understand what you are reading? Philip asked.
32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading:

He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,
and as a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
33 In his humiliation he was deprived of justice.
Who can speak of his descendants?
For his life was taken from the earth.

34 The eunuch asked Philip, Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else? 35 Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.

Jimmy, we can understand him reading Isaiah, but not the letters from Paul to the churches. These letters to the churches, of rebukes and exhortations, weren't available, as was the Old Testament readings. Even the Old Testament readings weren't exactly for the masses. Reading was for the learned and afluent, as were the scrolls and parchments for which they could read.


2 Peter 3
"...even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you."

Who is Peter referring to when he ends the sentence with "you?"

THE BRETHREN!!!
Dave, the eunuch was made ready for the church: Christ in Spirit made the future REST absolutely clear. Both Jew and Gentile and the eunuch who had an Isaiah scroll with him knew: here is some Isaiah found at the Dead Sea.

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Jimmy Wren
Jimmy Wren

July 1st, 2011, 10:01 pm #9

Did Paul author any of the Old Testament writings? What was the Eunuch reading from? The Old Testament. The epistles for the church, from Paul, were personal matters for THE CHURCH to deal with, not those outside of the congregation.
Dave are Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, 1&2 Timothy, Titus, James, Jude, 2&3 John addressed to churches?

Dave the Word was not just taught and preached in churches in the first century.

Rom 10:18
"Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."

Col 1:23
"...be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"
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Dave
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July 2nd, 2011, 12:46 am #10

This question was asked and incorrectly answered on another thread...

Question: "When Paul counseled the churches and "warned" them, did he post the letter on every tree to get everyone's attention, including those outside the brotherhood? Did he send the letter just to the congregation? Yes!" (see other thread for complete comment)

One would be on slippery ground debating the use of trees but Paul's writings were known and read both in ALL the churches as well as outside the churches. Even the other apostles read Paul's letters.

The reading of Paul's letters caused one apostle to remark "...our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures..." 2 Peter 3:15-16, KJV

The reader will note that Peter says that Paul "hath written unto you" yet Peter is very much aware of the content and subject matter in ALL of Paul's writings!
Jimmy,
Matters of the church STAY in the church.....always. You are trying your best to divert the discussion away from the main point here.

And by the way....you made my point very well....thank you.
Those books, from the NT, that you mentioned, were they epistles to certain congregations? No, they are not.

EVERYONE can see the letters today, including the books and letters that Paul wrote to the churches. It is called common sense.
Do you think that the Pharisees and Sadducees viewed those personal letters to those churches? No. Do you think that the Eunuch had a choice between the letter to the church at Corinth, from Paul, or Isaiah?

No.

At the time, those letters were meant ONLY for those specific churches. Just like this evil site here that broadcasts personal church matters, it is wrong to have the world to view these personal matters. It is sinful. Donnie and others didn't get the answer or decision that they wanted, so their immaturity led to this site.
Jimmy, God don't play. He will deal accordingly.
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