Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

December 16th, 2004, 3:33 pm #21

Sounds good to me: that's why it has NOTHING to do with the Christian assembly. You are correct: neverot called collective worship in any of the LUST OF EYES, EARS, MOUTH OR PLEASURE CENTERS.

Paul's ONLY worship word is to GIVE HEED to the Words of Christ which ARE Spirit and Life because the SON has the Spirit without measure. Paul's assembly or gathering word is almost always a form of the SYNAGOGUE which is a School of the Bible: your 'praise service' was outlawed in the church in the wilderness, Qahal or synagogue. There is no history of the Jews ever misunderstanding that clear mandate never violated as far as I can determine: and readily understood by any five year old beginning compulsory synagogue school at the time of Jesus.

There was NO PRAISE SERVICE IN THE SYNAGOGUE, ever, never, no way. Why? Because I told you that Numbers 10:7 outlaws it and because minimal common sense never does a stroke-my-senses when Jesus invites the twos and threes to "come learn of me." What a disgusting insult to God in Christ.

Furthermore, a ritualistic PRAISE SERVICE--Jesus called it prophesying or Lord-Lord Saying--is the world's OLDEST superstition [contrary to opinion] because the praise leader, like the king's Jester, was always seriously abnormal-- normally emotionally and sexually. You are DOING WORK thinking that you can PLEASURE or appease the gods. The GOD such praise rituals worships is SEEN IN A GLASS BRIGHTLY. There is a total LOSS OF CONNECTON TO THE HEAD.

Zeph 1:2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the Lord.

Zeph 1:3 I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.

Zeph 1:4 I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah,
........ and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
........ and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place,
........ and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;

<font color=blue>(h) Chemarims were certeine idolatro priestes, which did weare blacke apparel in their sacrifices and cryed with a loude voice: which superstition Eliah derided, {1 King 18,27}. read {2 King 23, 5}</font>

Zeph 1:5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops;
........and them that worship and that swear by the Lord,
........and that swear by Malcham;

THEY MISSED THE TWO WORSHIP ACTS OF THE SYNAGOGUE AND CHURCH

Zeph 1:6 And them that are turned back from the Lord; and those
........ that have not sought the Lord,
........ nor enquired for him.

Zeph 1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God:
........ for the day of the Lord is at hand:
........ for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

Zeph 1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lords sacrifice,
........ that I will punish the princes,
........ and the kings children,
........ and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

CASUAL became LITURGICAL GARMENTS [putting on of Apparel] as a way to show DOMINION over God by proving that He would BLESS them with more look-alikes.

CASUAL dress first popped into my eyes when MADISON went on TV dressed up as COWBOYS. Steve Flatt said that the "spontaneous" people who confessed to INFILTRATING and DIVERTING spend more time being casual than the other group which did not discuss DRESS CODES.

The WORSHIP DRESS CODE had the sole and confessed intention of DISCORDING people by making fun of the TRADITIONAL so that they could DIVERT those thinking they were on a train to MURFREESBORO to, say, White House. The agenda became clear and the BELIEVERS fled for their lives.

ZEPHENIAH does not prove musical worship. A response to an e-mail yesterday is partly answered here as the ONLY meaning of worship with two doing dialog which is NOT called preaching:

http://www.piney.com/Zephaniah.3.html

Ken
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John Waddey
John Waddey

December 23rd, 2004, 6:51 am #22

<font size=4>PARABLE OF THE QUARRELSOME SHEPHERDS </font>
<font size=3 color=blue face=Times New Roman>Once there were three shepherds who pastured their flocks in a desolate area. They went their separate ways by day but each evening they sheltered their flocks in a common fold. Although all worked for a common master they did not get along very well. One was naturally cranky, another was a jealous sort, and the third was very sensitive and his feeling easily hurt. Each night when the sheep were in the fold the men would gather about a common fire, eat their food and talk. Unfortunately their conversations often turned fractious and bitter. One night their quarreling grew intense. As they shouted and threatened one another, wolves were sneaking ever closer to the darkened fold. The men came to blows, it was an awful sight. While they battled each other, the wolves saw their opportunity. They dashed into the fold tearing at the sheep and scattering them. They mad off with several of the lambs.

The next morning the owner came to check on his sheep. He was shocked and angry at what he found. His sheep were scattered. Many were wounded, others were dead. The shepherds were battered and bruised but not from protecting their sheep. They had exhausted themselves fighting each other. The owner was furious. They were driven from his presence as unfit to serve him.

And the teacher explained that the sheep are God’s people, the shepherds his preachers. The wolves are those who would lead the people into a new kind of faith and worship. He that hath an ear should give heed to the parable. </font>

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<font size=4>PARABLE OF THE PLUMBERS</font>

<font size=3 color=indigo face=Times New Roman>Frank and June had a lovely home. They were happy and everything was going along just fine. Then one morning they awoke to a strange and disgusting smell that permeated the entire house. Inspection revealed the problem, their sewer line was blocked and backing up on them. Quickly they grabbed the phone book and began their search for a plumber.
  • Plumber A insisted they were over reacting and if ignored, the problem would soon go away.
  • Plumber B informed them he did not deal with such problems. He specialized in the more pleasant tasks of plumbing, such as replacing handles of faucets.
  • Plumber C surveyed the situation and frankly told them if they weren’t happy with the situation in their home, they should go somewhere else.
  • Plumber D responded to their call. After inspecting the problem he explained the need for some serious repair work and the necessary clean up. The job wasn’t pleasant. It took time and involved hard work, some expense, but the end result was salutary. The problem was resolved, the house was habitable again.
The home is a congregation of the church. Its members are the family. The problem is corrupting error that casts its foulness over the church. The plumbers are preachers, some of whom evidently do not understand what their job entails. Plumber D who solved the problem for the family is the faithful man of God who rolls up his sleeves and is not afraid to tackle the unpleasant task of dealing with false teaching in a church.

Lord, give us faithful men who are willing to take on the difficult and unpleasant jobs that help your congregations to survive and prosper when false teachers would capture them.</font>

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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

December 29th, 2004, 3:09 pm #23

Once upon a time, a mother provided her little girl with a balanced, proper diet. She was healthy and was growing well. Then one day a maintenance problem developed in the house, and the mother called in a man to make repairs. Behind the mother’s back, the man noticed the child and decided to give her a delicious piece of special candy, which she immediately consumed with relish.

Now the mother had been quite strict with her little girl’s diet, but after sampling the repair man’s special candy, the girl craved nothing but sweets. Gone was any appetite for chicken, fish, roast, vegetables, fruits, salads, or milk. The girl would eat nothing but chocolates, cookies, pies, cakes, and colas. Exasperated, the mother finally decided that her child’s happiness and good humor were all that really mattered, so she provided all the sweets that her little girl could eat.

In time, the child became quite sickly, lost weight, and was frequently absent from school because of illness. Her teacher, suspecting that something was very wrong, paid a visit to the girl’s home and learned of the mother’s warped dietary philosophy. When the teacher tried to set the mother straight about the dangers of such a preposterous diet and the various vitamin deficiencies and other harm that may result (and already had), the enraged mother scoffed and demanded to see the teacher’s degree in nutrition. This “arrogant” teacher had no business interfering with her child’s life, screamed the mother. The girl may be a little “weak,” but she was happy! How dare the teacher be so troublesome, legalistic, and judgmental!

The teacher subsequently contacted the Department of Child Services, which placed the little girl in foster care after a thorough investigation. There, her nutritional deficiencies were corrected.

And the Teacher explained that the mother is any church which initially follows the proper “diet” of the Whole Gospel but becomes corrupt when something allegedly “sweeter” appears. The little girl is any undiscerning church member who falls prey to the unhealthy eye and ear “candy” which the Change Movement peddles to “repair” the Church “behind the mother’s back.” Promoting only that which is positive and pleasant to the eyes and ears (while ignoring such "offensive" aspects of the Gospel as the judgment of God, accountability for sin, and the need for repentance, confession, and baptism for remission of sins), the Change Movement feeds its victims a sweet “diet” of pragmatism, dazzling worship entertainment, a perverted gospel, and self-esteem (“Discover the champion in you”; “Something good is going to happen to you”; “God wants to make you happy and accepts you just as you are”). Deficient in the Whole Gospel, those who nurse from the Change Movement eventually sicken spiritually but may recover if they are educated, cast out the worldly Change Movement and those who promote it, and resume the proper diet of the Whole Gospel (Matt. 7:15, Romans 12:2, James 4:4, and 2 John 9-11).

He that hath an ear, let him hear.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

December 29th, 2004, 6:45 pm #24

Once upon a time, a popular Movement swept across the land. Despite the fact that its underlying philosophy was monstrously flawed and unspeakably corrupt, it appeared most pleasant and desirable to outward appearances, which caused untold millions to embrace it.

Not too long after the Movement arose, a group of most discerning people established a web site on the Internet to warn the public at large about the inherent dangers and pitfalls of this Movement. The web site gathered a host of articles from discerning writers and published them as educational sources. These writers, in turn, based their arguments on one Book, which should have been the Sole Authority for all concerned. But alas, the masses had rejected this Book in whole or in part, for the worldly, controversial principles set forth in the Movement.

The web site offered various forums for people on both sides to discuss the issues at hand regarding this Movement. Needless to say, because the web site denounced that which the masses held as most popular, angry responses poured in. While some detractors provided their full names and responded with maturity and tact, the majority opposing the web site chose to conceal their identities by using just their initials, their first name only, a pseudonym like “JasGuy,” or simply “Anonymous.”

Thus feeling safe under the “cloak of darkness,” these latter detractors generally cast civility, maturity, and Christian spirit aside. Virtually unable to support their “arguments” with legitimate passages from the Book, the detractors principally resorted instead to name-calling, satire, sarcasm, and character assassinations. They branded the web site as “legalistic, judgmental, unkind, gossip, slander, divisive, troublemaker, pharisaical,” etc. It seemed that the stronger the arguments made by the web site against the Movement, the more hostile and malicious the detractors became. Some responses were so venomous and hateful that the reader could envision people gnashing their teeth, pounding their fists, screaming, yelling, and slamming their computer keyboards as they hammered out wretched messages. One such detractor, a Bible teacher in a Christian school, was so incensed that he seemed to lose all control and branded the web site as “religious pornography” and a “theological looney bin,” among other derogatory epithets. Having allowed such detractors to show their true colors, the moderators of the web site eventually banned the most uncivil of them from ever posting in the forums again.

And the Teacher stated that this parable should be self-explanatory, for the web site is Concerned Members, the Movement is the Change Movement, and the Book is the New Testament, the principles of which clearly condemn the likes of the Change Movement, as discussed throughout the Concerned Members web site. Many who oppose Concerned Members post messages under hidden identities, which are often taken as a license for manifesting uncivil or unchristian attitudes. If they become too raucous, the moderators ban them. One would think that people with strong convictions either way would not fear using their full names, be able to hold their own in any debates, and support their arguments with sound, New Testament Scripture in context, not that which is twisted to suit their own agenda. Resorting to name-calling, sarcasm, satire, incivility, and other unchristian behavior suggests that one has no legitimate argument and no scriptural basis on which to stand. Such people would be better off keeping silent.
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winced

December 30th, 2004, 8:48 pm #25

Of all the parables regarding the Change Movement that have been posted so far, I’m not surprised that “Parable of the Slovenly Employee” has received much howling and growling.

Winced, here are some questions for you: What is the purpose of “Come As You Are”? Why have contemporary churches that subscribe to the Change Movement made a big issue about it, even to the point of openly advertising it? Do they really think that this will foster more meaningful worship? Why don’t they just keep silent about appearances entirely, if appearances have no bearing on worship? To my knowledge, traditional churches don’t sport signs that advertise “Come Dressed Your Best,” because that would imply a certain "traditional" dress code and would turn some people off; they would feel out of place. Shouldn’t the same apply to contemporary churches that advertise “Come As You Are”? As warped as it may seem, “Come As You Are” also implies a certain type of “dress code”: wear anything but a suit, tie, or long dress; that is, wear anything that doesn't smack of "traditional." Think that’s being “judgmental”? No, friend, it’s just being observant and realistic. Seeing a “Come As You Are” sign in front of a church, how many folks do you think would show up immaculately clad in suit, tie, or long dress; that is, in "traditional" attire? Wouldn’t their “world view” make them feel out of place?

I agree that there is no place for specific dress codes in worship, overtly or covertly, and that especially applies to “Come As You Are.” But given the freedom to “dress down” which “Come As You Are” certainly grants, many people from all walks of life will not only take full advantage of it, they will abuse it and deliberately appear as slobs, because diligence and effort are not required. That’s the lowest common denominator. Therefore, it’s better for congregations to drop the “Come As You Are” policy and instead encourage their membership to examine their own consciences and thereby give their VERY BEST in worship at all times, starting at least with some basic attention to their appearance.
Dr. Crump,

I have no first hand knowledge of 'come as you are' as a mantra, or an invitation or anything of the sort.I don't agree with it and I don't practice it. I DO believe we are to show reverence in every way at any worship service.I think the leaders of a church who tell their members this kind of thing ought to be ready for anything that comes in the door. And by golly, if that is what they ask for and that is what they get, there is not a thing I , nor anyone else here can do about it.There is a saying: Birds of a feather.

I am just saying that there are alot of things wrong everywhere, but making a rule for every instance of anything that comes up that appears to be wrong, or wrongheaded, or not according to the rules, however good the idea behind them is, is a fulltime job that will never accomplish anything but an ultimate dictatorship.

No, I don't think it is necessary or even wise to tell people to come as they are unless we are ready for people arriving in bikinis and jock straps.

And if the leaders of these groups REALLY want people to come as they are then what can you or I do about that? If they are an autonomous congregation then they have the right to conduct things this way, as stupid and wrong as you or I may think it is.But I think we can all react to the point where we start padlocking people and their behavior and creating more rules to PREVENT things out of fear that the community church will get ahold of things in some churches. But it won't-if the elders just hold to the scripture and do business as usual.Fear and attempts at controlling people causes a great many more problems than erroneous doctrine or at least as many problems.Even wrong people are free to do as they please, whether we like it or not.We can't put a lockdown mentality on the rest of the Church of Christ just because some are diverging into something else.This includes dividing families and interfering in families and essentially tying people to a stake to force them to worship the 'right' way in the 'right' church. Doing the wrong thing for the right reason is still wrong.

I would surmise that in the era before the church of Christ and the Christian churches had their parting of ways, there was MORE preaching and teaching on instrumental music than anything else for YEARS. There was possibly more controversy and strife in the church for years over this than anything else. Lets just teach the truth.And there is more to it than the question of instrumental music. Those who want to hear it will. Those who don't even bother to read their own bibles won't, and will be blown around by who knows what.All one can do is teach the truth. People have a God given freedom to be wrong.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

January 1st, 2005, 2:48 pm #26

Winced, you hit on a very important point when you stated, "I DO believe we are to show reverence in every way at any worship service.I think the leaders of a church who tell their members this kind of thing ['Come As You Are'] ought to be ready for anything that comes in the door."

The key word is REVERENCE. "Come As You Are" certainly seems to be a trademark for "casual." Indeed, the term "Come Casual" also is applied to non-traditional worship services. Are "casual" and "reverence" synonymous? The word "casual" itself means "subject to, resulting from, or occurring by chance; occurring without regularity; occasional; employed for irregular periods; feeling or showing little concern; nonchalant; informal." Is this what worship is all about: chance, being nonchalant, and showing little concern? Not much reverence there.

If churches start with a seemingly "innocent" policy like encouraging casual dress as a drawing card to attract members (and let's be honest, it's widely used for that purpose), it's the first subtle invitation (perhaps done unwittingly) to throw reverence aside. With casual attitudes about dress in force, why not move ahead and foster casual attitudes about behavior and demeanor during worship? "Sermons" already are peppered with jokes and amusing anecdotes to keep folks from being bored. Bring in some hamburgers, cokes, and munch while "worshiping." Next, proceed to casual attitudes about the Bible and spiritual doctrine itself. Whatever sounds pleasant and appealing reigns. You see the potential snowball effect, just from being "casual."

There is NO ROOM in worship for anything "casual." Worship is serious business, and EVERYTHING about it should be reverent, not entertaining. What can we do about it? We certainly cannot force people to be reverent and cast off the casual. But we can continue to stress reverence by avoiding the casual and by promoting the concept of "Let all things be done decently and in order" (1 Cor. 14:40 KJV).



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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

January 1st, 2005, 8:39 pm #27

One of the open secrets of the small band of the Little Horns was that they would use CODED LANGUAGE to fool the fools. And it works. Much of the Bible is written in code so that the fools shoot themselves in very tender parts.

The Bible presents Christianity as a DISCIPLINE to be able to "navigate the change agents" by providing offensive and defensive CLOTHING specificially designed for warfare against the HOSTILE agents of Satan.

CASUAL is one of the KEYWORDS which the "masses" do not understand but the agents of destruction know perfectly well. I told you that I wrote off the FLATTlanders from Madison when I saw them all dressed up as COWBOYS. Listen to what the BIBLE says to those with EARS and EYES:
  • <font color=blue>Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

    Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. </font>
The Greek word for CASUAL is used by the LAW OF SILENCE. However, some of us can hear and grasp that CASUAL is the coded word for an anti-Biblical, musical, and sexually perverted LUST. Sure, they get glory if they can get you to dress up in the CASUAL UNIFORM of the WOODSTOCK disciples.

An important meaning of CASUAL is:
  • <font color=blue>Stakt-os A. not in battle-order, of troops, not at one's post, undisciplined, disorderly, of sensual excess, irregular, inordinate, hêdonai, Aphroditê, Pl.Lg.660b,840e; in Music, without rhythm, melôidiai
    2. uncivilized, lawless B. Adv. -tôs in an irregular, disorderly manner, of TROUPS </font>
This points directly to LUCIFER and her various forms. She WAS the singing and harp-playing prostitute who WHOLLY SEDUCED both Adam and Eve being bisexual. The first meaning of CASUAL
  • <font color=blue>Hêdonê, the chorus hêdona, A. enjoyment, pleasure, prop. of sensual pleasures, of malicious pleasure, to give way to pleasure, to speak so as to please another, desires after pleasure, pleasant lusts.

    Aphroditê, sexual love, pleasure, a woman's form of oath, Aphroditas [astêr] the planet Venus. This is the EASTER, Lucifer and ZOE connection. </font>
You should grasp that the musical melody, shooting arrows which is parallel to plucking strings or private hairs is attributed to APOLLO who is the Abaddon or Apollyon who USES the Muses in the book of Revelation. The PURPOSE of the shooting and melody was the QUICK, EASY DEATH OF MEN AND WOMEN. CASUAL means MUSIC and doing all the little viper-locusts can CONTRIVE to deliberately sow discord. They are ancient SPIRITS and they are doing what the Bible predicts of them.
THIS IS ANT-CHRISTIAN BECAUSE IT IS ANTI-BIBLICAL. Only fools or agents of a destroying power would contrive RITUALS knowing that they are just going to drive many of the PAYING AUDIENCE wild.
  • <font color=blue>Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

    REVERENCE is he opposite of CASUAL

    Aidôs A. reverence, awe, respect for the feeling or opinion of others or for one's own conscience, and so shame, self-respect, 2. regard for others, respect, reverence, regard for the helpless, compassion,

    Reverent I. timidity arising from high respect or (more rarely) from fear, respect, regard, fear, awe, reverence, the deference or veneration due to you, your dignity

    Godly fear is:

    Eulab-eia caution or discretion in a thing, careful employment of, reverence, piety, godly fear, </font>
They are building their own BOND FIRES as the ZOE types urge them to worship the MOUNTAIN GODS. But, Scripture warns even the deaf and dumb because:
  • <font color=red>For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29 </font>
CASUAL is the bold boast that WE ARE NAKED OF THE ARMOR OF GOD.

Ken

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DAVID RHOADES

January 3rd, 2005, 2:28 am #28

Once upon a time, a popular Movement swept across the land. Despite the fact that its underlying philosophy was monstrously flawed and unspeakably corrupt, it appeared most pleasant and desirable to outward appearances, which caused untold millions to embrace it.

Not too long after the Movement arose, a group of most discerning people established a web site on the Internet to warn the public at large about the inherent dangers and pitfalls of this Movement. The web site gathered a host of articles from discerning writers and published them as educational sources. These writers, in turn, based their arguments on one Book, which should have been the Sole Authority for all concerned. But alas, the masses had rejected this Book in whole or in part, for the worldly, controversial principles set forth in the Movement.

The web site offered various forums for people on both sides to discuss the issues at hand regarding this Movement. Needless to say, because the web site denounced that which the masses held as most popular, angry responses poured in. While some detractors provided their full names and responded with maturity and tact, the majority opposing the web site chose to conceal their identities by using just their initials, their first name only, a pseudonym like “JasGuy,” or simply “Anonymous.”

Thus feeling safe under the “cloak of darkness,” these latter detractors generally cast civility, maturity, and Christian spirit aside. Virtually unable to support their “arguments” with legitimate passages from the Book, the detractors principally resorted instead to name-calling, satire, sarcasm, and character assassinations. They branded the web site as “legalistic, judgmental, unkind, gossip, slander, divisive, troublemaker, pharisaical,” etc. It seemed that the stronger the arguments made by the web site against the Movement, the more hostile and malicious the detractors became. Some responses were so venomous and hateful that the reader could envision people gnashing their teeth, pounding their fists, screaming, yelling, and slamming their computer keyboards as they hammered out wretched messages. One such detractor, a Bible teacher in a Christian school, was so incensed that he seemed to lose all control and branded the web site as “religious pornography” and a “theological looney bin,” among other derogatory epithets. Having allowed such detractors to show their true colors, the moderators of the web site eventually banned the most uncivil of them from ever posting in the forums again.

And the Teacher stated that this parable should be self-explanatory, for the web site is Concerned Members, the Movement is the Change Movement, and the Book is the New Testament, the principles of which clearly condemn the likes of the Change Movement, as discussed throughout the Concerned Members web site. Many who oppose Concerned Members post messages under hidden identities, which are often taken as a license for manifesting uncivil or unchristian attitudes. If they become too raucous, the moderators ban them. One would think that people with strong convictions either way would not fear using their full names, be able to hold their own in any debates, and support their arguments with sound, New Testament Scripture in context, not that which is twisted to suit their own agenda. Resorting to name-calling, sarcasm, satire, incivility, and other unchristian behavior suggests that one has no legitimate argument and no scriptural basis on which to stand. Such people would be better off keeping silent.
PARABLE OF THE RELUCTANT WATCHMAN

There was a business man who discovered evil taking over his church. he was surprised to find out that it was not only taking over his church, but was taking over churches all over the world.

He tracked the sources back to an evil group that has long planned a "One World Government". Developing the "One World Church" using ecumenism was just one tentacle of the octopus.

He found that this group, incrementally over the past 100 years, had slowly taken over not only the churches, but the schools, the government and the financial institutions.

To accomplish this they had actually changed history, as well as had changed the Bible to support their goals.

The businessman was horrified. He looked around to see if others saw this evil and were trying to warn their fellow man. He saw no one.

He prayed to the Lord God and said, "Dear Lord; I looked and saw no one to do this. I'm so ill equipped. I have never studied to be your servant. Surely there must be someone better prepared?"

The businessman became the "reluctant watchman".

He started trying to warn others.

And not many would listen.

Soon he had visitors that wore hoods to protect their identity. Some were his friends, but others were his enemies. Neither wanted their identity known.

His friends asked him why he was doing this?

His enemies used threats and accusations to scare him.

The "reluctant watchman" prayed again. He said, "Dear Lord, I need help! I'm not trained and studied in your word, I've been a sinner, and a lazy man. Please send me your best preachers and elders to help me warn others."

The next day a man visited the "reluctant watchman" and said, "I'm an unemployed carpenter, I love the Lord, and I'm here to help."

Then, the next day came an old man that wore his years, and he said, "I'm a retired engineer, a student in ancient biblical history, and I have read most of the ancient manuscripts, including the Koran many times. I love the Lord and I'm here to help."

Then came a medical industry executive, and another businessman, a retired doctor, and then more came. They all could be identified because they didn't wear hoods, and by their admission of loving the Lord God.

And so the "reluctant watchman" along with his help from God, set out to work.

The moral of this story is; Your prayers may not always bring you what you ask for.
You may get exactly what you need.
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Billy Bob "Bubba" Brouhaha

January 3rd, 2005, 3:44 pm #29

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Dr. Bill Crump

January 5th, 2005, 9:21 pm #30

PARABLE OF THE RELUCTANT WATCHMAN

There was a business man who discovered evil taking over his church. he was surprised to find out that it was not only taking over his church, but was taking over churches all over the world.

He tracked the sources back to an evil group that has long planned a "One World Government". Developing the "One World Church" using ecumenism was just one tentacle of the octopus.

He found that this group, incrementally over the past 100 years, had slowly taken over not only the churches, but the schools, the government and the financial institutions.

To accomplish this they had actually changed history, as well as had changed the Bible to support their goals.

The businessman was horrified. He looked around to see if others saw this evil and were trying to warn their fellow man. He saw no one.

He prayed to the Lord God and said, "Dear Lord; I looked and saw no one to do this. I'm so ill equipped. I have never studied to be your servant. Surely there must be someone better prepared?"

The businessman became the "reluctant watchman".

He started trying to warn others.

And not many would listen.

Soon he had visitors that wore hoods to protect their identity. Some were his friends, but others were his enemies. Neither wanted their identity known.

His friends asked him why he was doing this?

His enemies used threats and accusations to scare him.

The "reluctant watchman" prayed again. He said, "Dear Lord, I need help! I'm not trained and studied in your word, I've been a sinner, and a lazy man. Please send me your best preachers and elders to help me warn others."

The next day a man visited the "reluctant watchman" and said, "I'm an unemployed carpenter, I love the Lord, and I'm here to help."

Then, the next day came an old man that wore his years, and he said, "I'm a retired engineer, a student in ancient biblical history, and I have read most of the ancient manuscripts, including the Koran many times. I love the Lord and I'm here to help."

Then came a medical industry executive, and another businessman, a retired doctor, and then more came. They all could be identified because they didn't wear hoods, and by their admission of loving the Lord God.

And so the "reluctant watchman" along with his help from God, set out to work.

The moral of this story is; Your prayers may not always bring you what you ask for.
You may get exactly what you need.
Once upon a time, a king decided to tour his domain to see how his subjects paid him tribute and honor. For these events, the subjects met weekly in various places scattered all over the kingdom.

After studying one meeting place after another, the king was initially pleased that throngs of people came to the ceremonies, yet he noticed that the ceremonies were exceptionally boisterous, chaotic, and filled with incredibly disturbing rock music that was virtually identical to that heard on popular radio stations. That certainly didn't honor him. It just made the people want to shake their hips and dance. Various performers delivered a host of upbeat, raucous solos, many of which did not even mention the king’s name, yet the crowd erupted with standing ovations and much applause. When that didn't honor the king either, the king pondered this cacophony and wondered, “Who are my subjects really honoring here—those entertainers on stage or me?” The leaders of the crowd then stirred them up with, “Let there be continual commotion! No silence! Nothing funereal! Those who would rather MEDITATE are MEDICATED and in need of RUST REMOVER! Let them depart at once!” That, too, didn't honor the king. As they stood, the crowd lifted their eyes and hands aloft, shouting and gesticulating wildly. The king then thought, “Instead of asking for my blessing and praising me with humble reverence, these subjects seem to DEMAND that I accept their praise. They mistakenly believe that extreme emotions and adrenaline highs are necessary to build faith. Do they not realize that emotions are as capricious as the wind? This also does not honor me.” The king then observed that the leaders of these meetings delivered light, casual messages which frequently proposed that, as long as everyone had “love,” it was not really necessary to keep all of the king’s strict commandments, for they were “disputable” at best. After all, said the leaders, the king tolerated and accepted everyone without question if they would just simply “accept” him as well. By this, the king knew that these leaders were false, for they related only half-truths to his subjects; they did not present his full commandments as he had specifically authorized. Disappointed that none of these subjects gave him the proper respect and honor that he deserved, the king departed from their midst forever, convinced that these worldly establishments existed only to entertain mankind and please mankind. They already had their “reward.”

Yet the king continued on his journey. Soon, he came upon a small group of subjects far different from those whom he had previously visited. Their establishments for weekly meetings were simple abodes, as were their tributes. Instead of the usual, irksome noise and chaos, the king found stillness, reverence, and honor to him beyond measure. Songs not only praised him by name but also were soft and quiet. Instead of standing and shouting, the people remained still, bowed their heads, and lowered their eyes, honoring the king with their hearts and souls in abject humility. The leaders here not only preached the king’s full commandments, stressing that each one be obeyed faithfully, but they also admonished that all things be accomplished decently and in order. To these people, meditation and stillness were hardly signs of rigor mortis but of REVERENCE, and the king found their tribute pleasing and acceptable. For their faithfulness, humility, self-denial, and rejection of worldly pursuits, the king raised these few subjects to high positions in his kingdom.

And the Teacher explained that the king is Christ, the weekly meeting places of honor and tribute are churches, the king’s subjects are Christians, and the leaders are ministers or others in authority in churches. The abodes sporting worldly entertainment are the churches taken over or built by the Change Movement, which attract throngs of pleasure-seeking people by endeavoring in countless ways to evade the New Testament’s strict commands and make the church like the world. The smaller group of people are the few remaining faithful left in the world who have not fallen for the adrenaline highs, chaos, and deceit of the Change Movement; who worship through spiritual maturity, not fickle emotion generated by slick entertainers who welcome the accolades of men; who worship Christ “in spirit and in truth” with unaccompanied hymns in simple services that proclaim the message of the Whole Gospel. These few accept the New Testament as the timeless, inspired Word of God, not something which must continuously change with the times to suit the whims and “felt needs” of a godless society. The Teacher further explained that, although only Christ can discern the hearts of all worshipers, it is better not to test His patience by subscribing to such popular worship fads and trends and the “wide path” as found in the Change Movement. Remain on the narrow path of simplicity and humbleness, as found throughout the New Testament. Romans 12:2, James 4:4, and 2 John 9-11.
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